The Tragic Consequences of Secret Social Transition w/Vernadette Broyles | Ep 170 

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Lawyer here. Kindly provide an official link where I am able to donate to these incredible attorneys, putting their licenses on the line for this extremely contentious and unprecedented area of law. You all are paving the way for other attorneys to step up for what’s right without fear of grievances/ losing their license.

I could tell that this guest has a different worldview than I do, and so many times I was tempted to turn off the conversation just because it's easy to discount each other-- jeez I'm so glad that I didn't. So many EXCELLENT points came up here, and I SO appreciate what critical and careful listeners Stella and Sasha are. As a mom of 4 school-age kids, I have taken all these pointers to heart and they have helped. Thank you Vernadette, Stella, and Sasha.

From my experience, having such a talk (46:40) ["beware of adults trying to talk to you about your body and questioning your gender"] with your child at 14 is about 5 years too late. My biological daughter was 9-10 yo when she starting questioning her sex and then came out as a Trans boy (FtM) at 11. We had no idea of this phenomenon, and that the state (CA), schools, counselors, teachers, therapists and many doctors were already "Trans captured" and were actively pushing our child down the road of medicalized transition. We tried to resist, but the only option other than active affirmative medicalization was to "wait and see" under the idea that most children grow out of gender dysphoria as they proceed thru puberty (a reasonable idea). But now that she turned 18, she started HRT (Testosterone) she got thru Planned Parenthood and she has moved away from home and is currently 100% out of touch with us. My opinion of the "wait and see" approach is that it is a method of pacifying Trans critical parents until the kids turn 18 and are no longer under the influence of their parents when they can go ahead with the child's own plans to transition. All the therapy, school counseling, and socialization of our daughter as a male keep our kid brainwashed until they turn 18. Those forms of brainwashing coupled with Internet access (provided through the public schools reliance on computer based training w/o much "parental controls" to prevent them from accessing phornography and Trans captured social media sites and apps) where kids get informed of strategies like what to say to parents, therapists and doctors to insure they are treated as "Trans identified" kids and will receive the treatments they want, how to write letters (and what to say) when coming out to parents, and how to reassure parents as they approach 18 that they may be self-desisting from their Trans identity by dressing more girly, exposing more flesh (rather than wearing hoodies in the middle of hot CA summers), wearing lipstick and painting nails, and having a boy friend since 16 1/2 yo. My wife and I were betting that our child was desisting and would turn out "normal". However, 3 months after turning 18 we realized she was on Testosterone after her voice dropped, her body hair got thick and darker, and her facial hair became very noticeable. Shortly after being confronted about this, our daughter packed up and moved in with her boyfriend and their family who are much more Trans accepting than we are. Why does the State and Federal government support breaking up American families???

Truely dystopian. I can’t believe I’m hearing this.

Stella mentioned "preemptive communication with school." I did this ("progressive" private school in Portland, Oregon). I wrote a letter specifically directing staff/faculty to not speak to my daughter (identifying trans-boy) about their gender. The school counselor immediately approached my child concluding their talk with the invitation of confidentiality. My child held this secret inside herself for weeks before she had an emotional breakdown and it spilled out of her. I was undermined by other adults I trusted. In my young 15 yo's mind, I betrayed her. The school has ripped apart the child/mother bond. I could go on. I am living a nightmare!

Vernadette is a goddess. I remember two years ago when she told me I had leadership qualities. I didn’t believe her, but now I see she was right. Women like her and Sasha and Stella model resilience, truth, and channeling passion into worthy action.

A 12 year old girl put in a center for disturbed boys!? How on earth can that adult in charge live with themselves?

My daughter started with all this during the pandemic when all the schools were closed and kids couldn’t go anywhere so we all spent tons of time at home, bored. Of course, she was online way too much, and I was completely naive to what kind of pathology was creeping around in various social media platforms. I had all the parental blocks and tried to keep an eye on everything. It actually started on a discord server. I had never even heard of discord. Somehow I thought we were still operating in the LGB world of the 90’s and early 2000’s because I wasn’t chronically online. When I started going down the rabbit hole I was absolutely dumbfounded that kids were getting sucked into the complete mind warp of postmodern deconstructionism and queer theory. Not only that, but grown adults who were in the roles of teachers and therapists were actually going along with this like it was all perfectly rational and sane. I had no idea we were surrounded by so many gullible people. So, of course, since I’m calling out the naked emperor, I’m now the crazy bigot who’s irrational. Now she refuses to talk to me and moved in with her dad. We’re all living in the upside down. If I could change anything from back then it would be to remove internet access, but I’m wondering if she would have found it anyway through friends. Teenaged girls are going through some sort of group psychosis right now.

Sasha, my son, at 17, left my home after I asked him to look at the possible medical complications of hormones. He went to live with his dad and I was villainized by a psychiatrist and an entire medical team at children’s hospital. I am divorced and my son went to go live with his dad. I attempted to get an attorney to get my lawful custody back and no one would touch it. I have NEVER abused my child in any way, and even asked my son to please try social transition and see how it felt before putting substances into his body that can harm him. His father has even said that my son is lost despite now being on hormones. So, please don’t assume that all of these kids are abused, neglected, or otherwise not treated well by their parents if the parents are assumed to be the villain and are treated poorly!

Where did politicians get the idea that pre-teen minors should be allowed to "self-id" gender identity? I would think a Judge Gorsuch would find the definition of "gender identity" totally circular (self-referential) and therefore meaningless.

Yes because the answer is because the medics said you'd kill yourself if we stopped you and child services said they'd take you away from us 😢😭

43:48 this bit funny. I got so into this subject my kids were so tired of hearing about it they tried to get me to promise to have a "trans free new year!" 😅 that was for me to stop talking about it. I'm not transphobic or a terf but am against the ideology and the grooming and the AGPs in girls restrooms. So I've found the solution is not caring about being called a transphobe or terf because ivthink those labels are throw around to try to censor people who are open minded but disagreeing with the ideology

Why is escapism being promoted over facing the initial problem the child is having? Next question, why are children being granted so much autonomy? It is ridiculous to think a child has the mental falculty or decision making skills to even contemplate their physicality regarding what biologic sex they ate.

The fact the school didn't tell the parents about the first -cide attempt (let alone the rest) is absolutely criminal.

It's time we stopped allowing others to tell these four lies to our children: 1. God creates us as gendered ‘identities’ separate to our bodies, and sometimes puts us in ‘wrong’ bodies. 2. We can change our reproductive category by taking hormones and removing our genitals. 3. It’s kind to agree with someone who hates their own body and to support them to self-harm. 4. Women are no more than a feeling men can have, a costume men can wear, or a badge men can put on. Teachers and doctors who tell children these lies should be removed from their professions.

In addition to pursuing gender transition the biggest mistake transitioners can make is alienating themselves from their loving family. There are bad family situations however for many they are essentially alienating themselves from an essential part of their life. Abandon a loving family one cuts off part of one's self. I have witnessed the loneliness and sadness of those who are alienated from their family. I am a former adult male to female transexual and am so thankful that my parents(now deceased) loved me unconditionally.

16:48 it’s gross that schools are not considering how other kids are going to react to this. I don’t think she should have been bullied for “identifying” as a boy, but allowing her into male spaces and not considering that she really isn’t a boy and may be vulnerable to bullies, specifically those who know she’s obviously not a boy, is a set up for further bullying and abuse. These kids need to be protected from what they don’t know or understand and it’s a shame the school staff put her in that situation assuming that the people around her will accept her as a boy.

Thank you for your work in combating gender idiocy. I have a young nephew in public school. I don't want him exposed to this garbage.

Stella and Sasha! Two of my most favourite people in the gender identity arena ❤ it’s always a good episode with you guys.

This truthfully has nothing to do with religion, Catholic, Christian or other. It is a matter of protecting any and all children and families of any religious preference or none at all. This is a matter of protecting children from psychotherapeutic and medical malpractice and harm. It is a scientific matter based on facts, not a religious one.

Vernadette is brilliant and articulate. Thank you for highlighting her work. I will be donating to her efforts.

Sophie Lewis- Abolish the Family This attitude has a lot to do with what is going on these days.

For years, i worked with juveniles in jail. I couldn't imagine a kid who was being sex trafficked and sexually abused being sent into the juvenile system! Housed with young males with oppositional defiant disorder and other mental health issues! Young females in the juvenile system can be rough and mean to their peers, and have ODD or BPD. That poor girl should have been returned to her parents in the first place. I can't imagine the amount of trauma she has. 💔

My God... I believe that this stuff is embedded in schools, I WAS a member of a gay and lesbian facebook group in my state, and saw a meme posted by a woman who worked for my local school disctrict (As a "parent educator") that stated "If your parents don't accept your identity, I'm your mom now". I exposed this on a few local community pages, and got nothing but harrassment, and "how dare you try to harm her career", etc. etc. I was stunned that someone with access to teenagers at that level would post something like that. But I guess even the local community is so captured, even they say nothing.

Vernadette is a remarkable woman! People like her will go done in history as heroes against this pernicious ideology.

Another great episode. You are getting better and better.

22:49 😢 why didn't you stop me? 😢

I am not even half way through this video and I am horrified at the actions of people supposedly in charge. Those poor kids, my heart is breaking for the families. My grown daughter has bought into this gender ideology ( and yep she was bullied in school, do we see a common theme?) and now I fear for my 4 yr old granddaughter. Will she be subjected to this 10 years from now?

Do schools ever address the bullying? Were the bullies identified and brought in for counseling or disciplinary action?

I did preemptively inform each of my daughter’s teachers and her counselor. In CA I was told No, they will follow what the child wants regardless of what the parent wants or requests! They were calling my daughter by a different name and wanted to use that name when discussing her with me. I flat refused to use that name and told them we are not doing that. It doesn’t matter. They will do what the child wants.

I was a Caregiver for three MTF and Two FTM bith Hospice clients before age 50. The female body is not made for testosterone for any length of time. Not safely

For those curious how these cases are going: The Michele Blair case was just Dismissed in it's entirety for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. It's the same reason January Littlejohn's case was Dismissed. Wendell and Maria Perez' case is currently being deferred until the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals rules on the January Littlejohn Appeal Case.

Thank you Vernadette for pointing out the bigotry of those who assume and proclaim that committed Christians are necessarily abusive, unreasonable, punitive, etc. It is bigotry and unconstitutional for people and agencies to refuse services and rights to “religious” people.

Thank you for the story and clear explanations.

1:00:53 Believing in unproven deities is not a sound logic base to lean on for guiding children needing mental health support. Keep religion out of the discussion and concentrate on helping the vulnerable children.

Talk to your kids about this as early as possible because the schools are! Definitely way before you give them a smart phone or leave them alone with TV remotes! I got caught out when my daughter was asked at 11 to announce her sexual orientation and ‘gender’ at school! She was confused and wondered how so many of her classmates seemed to know. Obviously they do not at 11! It started a useful conversation and preparation for what we would do if the school ever asked this again!

CPS, whatever you wanna call it needs to be redone from the beginning reunification is rarely the goal. They did it wrong and must always not just in cases or gender is involved.

I AM no longer complicit un thus harm. I have started speaking to friends like this now. " I went through this a few years ago. Figuring out for MYSELF what's going on in our country. Now I watched EVERYONE especially folks I was told to cancel. I found that my neighbors are not my enemy. I now live in Oklahoma and travel frequently through the Southern states and Southwest. I find personally it's a huge relief to be out of the West Coast. It's peaceful. In Oregon Portland and Eugene there was something I saw every day. It was the Confederate flag my neighbors in Eugene flew a new WS flag every week. In The last years of traveling to these so scary red states? I have seen TWO of them. Yep. And Black Cowboys for 45. They are Definitely real one cooked me a excellent shrimp boil. I ate it under a 45 24 flag and didn't turn into a Pillar of salt. Heck I even got brave watching AOC and Tim Burchett become friends and Allies even defending one another online. During Congressional hearings on UFO UAP They tell everyone to F off. We like each other and UAP disclosure is WAY more important than any political party. To me it was obvious I needed to get out of my own Legacy Media bubbles. This show called the Why Files it really helped me understand many things. And living in Oklahoma has been a huge surprise. Best medical care of my disabled life. I get treated with compassion and respect. It's actually over 20% Black and has 38 tribal nations. Not a happy reason for this concentration but it changes the character of things. It's as beautiful as Oregon in many places. We Even have shorebirds. 35,000 acres wilderness areas with multiple lakes. I AM now entirely disabled. Had a horrible jab reaction then Gaslight for years. It was the jab. I have read Kansas vs Phizer. I have apologized to any friends who tried to warn me. If 45 gets in its not going to be any worse. Not really. Both are War mongering corporate shills. And Canada is about as close to Fascist as it gets. Also they don't let Disabled people in. Now El Salvador that country is doing AMAZING. Folks ate reverse migrating now the gangs are gone. Going HOME. And those are two stories you will likely never hear here. I can't even write the V word. And the Censorship is incredibly obvious once you get outside this bubble of ours. There's perhaps a reason those people want children to not be mutilated. I have listened to over 50 de transitioners. They are being GREATLY HARMED. There's a reason they in the EU UK even Scandinavia and the Netherlands stopped sterilizing mentally unstable and Nuero divergent Queer children. There's zero proof it helps and no research on these hormones on CHILDREN for life. I took care of three MTF and two FTM both Hospice patients before age 50. The female body is not made for testosterone. Giving it to children is not reversible. Puberty blockers sterilize them before they even understand what sex is. So young they say YUCK when asked about sex. These CHILDREN are often given hormones after ONE visit. One child as a teen on cross sex hormones is worth over 2 million dollars. There's Zero Actual evidence to support any of these things for lufe in adults let alone children. Its not 40 MTF lifetime issues coming in. Starting surprise during Covid19 lockdowns Queer Whistle-blowers saw over 2000 Autistic girls at One clinic in One year. That's called Social Contagion. They watch videos thst teach them to lie to get hormones. Some with millions of Veiwers. It's All in the Cass report and the Lawsuits have started thank goodness. These doctors deserve prison for the harm these incredibly brave young people are speaking publicly now as adults. You can't change genders by thinking it so. Pretending they can is frankly cruel. The suffering of the one MTF who got bottom surgery which was invented during WWII by a actual Nazi. This is incredibly cruel. An open wound will NEVER be a vagina. It's cruel to tell anyone it will. And one little girl they took her Breasts at age 13. She asked at 15 to put them back. She was diagnosed Autistic before they Started these mutilation and sterilization of her. There is no informed consent. Not for something like this. And if even one child goes through what the people I cared for did it's one too many. Ypu have nothing to fear from your neighbors either Pixie. Not really. Life is Much calmer off the Left Coast

40:00 talking about cultivating a sense of authority. Watching Kellie Jay Keen will give you a master class in this. She's a 4' 9" mamma bear. You DO NOT mess with Posie Parker.

This is really good stuff! Another organization like this is Themis Resource Fund. You should interview someone from there. These law groups are doing really important work! And hopefully changing precedent. What an amazing episode! I bought the Church guide, and might ask if my priest would like one.

Assuming that religious people are irrational isn't the problem, that's definitional. The problem is not assuming that members of the gender cult are irrational like members of every other cult. The only "bigotry" against religious people is assuming that they're irrational about everything, which obviously isn't the case. Most religious people act like normal people in most cases on most topics.

This is horrendous. My sincere wish is that the individuals who facilitated the abuse of these kids and the damaging of these families will one day understand the depth of what they did. Because that would be excruciating for them and the guilt would never let them rest.

In the field of disability advocacy, the work of Michael Kendrick "The Natural Authority of Parents", has been an important tool for parents learning how to talk to services saying that as a parent they know their children best and have their best interests at heart. This understanding has been important in successful advocacy in safeguarding children against bureaucratic/ government services.

Do you have anything I might share with my daughter who is suffering from SOGD? I’ve talked with her a bit about the negative health consequences to hormones, but I don’t think she believes me. I’m concerned that once she hits 18 in a couple years, she’ll do something she regrets.

Another great conversation. Vernadette on the case will pave the way for others. Wonderful work. ❤

Wonder what the ratio is on calls from school to cps for gender identity issue vs physical abuse? Oh snap, schools have student & parent policy and responsibilities, etc., rules set by the school. Parents should have our own rules, a waiver for the school to sign. "Can parents consent can they write to their schools and a kind of a either cease and desist letter or a preemptive letter saying do not socially transition my child she's going through some challenges and one of them is an identity crisis but she also has other vulnerabilities and we are dealing with it and she's seeing a therapist and we are legally putting you on notice you cannot change her name or her pronouns and specifically around binders which are actually shown to be damaging items do not damage our child by giving her any free items in the form of self-harm" I needed to get that written down, that is brilliant.

This is a great conversation! This is information that all parents need to know.

It sounds ultimately the school counselor is to blame for the student's suicide attempt

A society that thinks it’s controversial to say: “a child should not be castrated” is a very sick society.

Excellent guest! I’m so grateful for her work 💓

I tried to download the letters from their website and did not have luck. It seems like the file downloaded, but nothing opens in Word when I try.

As a Buddhist i support you.

Thanks!

❤🇬🇧

Thanks

"Shocking yet unsuprising" is both a cliche and an accurate description. Is it REALLY that insulting to question religions whose moral law demands, without exception, the death of the gays, kid or otherwise? I think that is a legit thing to consider as a part of the child's overall situation. However it does not warrant parental secrecy, period. An Egyptian ex of mine is still in hiding as his family attempted an honor killing on him for being a gay teen - an entirely different set of circumstances, I know, but still. I hope your essential work gets the attention, exposure and public buy-in that it so desperately needs!

"Let the school system go on to pick on another family not yours." There should be no room for the school system to pick on anyone. All parents need each other. Especially the parents who lack the skills, funds and knowledge to care properly for their children. The support of healthy parents and the rest of our community is vital. People are trying protect their own skin, and I get this, but that is how we ended up here in the first place. A lack of unity and support does far more damage than we might expect. It takes a village to raise the next generation.

13:16 - they (w..) themselves, in a certain sense, are based on very superficial characteristics and project a similar way of thinking to others, a la all Catholics are bad parents, etc.

Thankfully quite a few states have filed lawsuits against the title 9 changes. If your state isn't one of them ask why not and vote accordingly.

Does anyone know of any resources for North Carolina? I have to find a therapist for my teen but am struggling to find anyone trustworthy.

If it is good patenting for you to have to prepare your child for the potential eventuality of so many of these dangers, could it really be considered good parenting to send your children into such danger????

The more I hear about this, the more I think people shouldn’t send their kids to public school. It’s not fair because a lot of schools are great but the bad apples ruin the whole system.

Thank goodness this child's parents were Catholics.

Wow!!! We will prevail!!! Thank you! I needed that today.

Thank you for this very important conversation.

29:29 to refer the gender cult as 'belief system' as a bad thing (which it is), whilst in the next breath you refer to religion beliefs without noting they are belief systems, cults and not based in logic or reality. Concentrate on helping the child with logic, care, compassion, science - rather than confusing the focus by trying to use a belief system to fix a belief system.

Don't send your kids to public school!!!!!! Or

Great interview

You don’t become “addicted to pot”. I feel like this speaker has a lot of biases that take away from her credibility. When asked about family situations she only says “they’re educated good parents”.

Yep. The original opponents to "women's rights" tried to warn us that it would harm children ultimately. They didn't predict this exact method of it playing out, granted

I am a bit concerned that you are both wearing ear buds. Do you know the extremely high levels of EMF that these pass through the brain. And that these 'wearables' are all part of the transhumanism agenda to combine humans with the internet. Ear buds are constantly collecting brain and body data from the body, including EEG ( brain patterns) and ECG ( heart) data. I love and admire the work you are doing. Please consider to look into the issue and implications of ear buds.

Have you two attempted to have a conversation with Jordan Peterson? His apparent expertise on brain physiology and the associative psychological bandwidth of adolescents seems to dovetail well with your program.