Leica M11 - Why You Will Want This Camera

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This is the new Leica M11 rangefinder flagship camera. Coming off a legacy of over 60 years of Leica M and on the heals of the M10-r - Leica has announced a camera with a 60 megapixel, tri-resolution sensor that is capable of 60mp, 36mp or 18mp with full sensor and 14 bit color readout in both RAW DNG and JPG formats. Using oversampling and pixel binning, lower resolutions give better noise performance at high ISO settings as well as an extra stop of dynamic range. This is one of the more unique cameras in the market right now. While the Sony A1, Canon R3 and Nikon Z9 all go for speed, Leica has given us a traditional photography experience with a very unique sensor with amazing image quality.
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Index:
Intro/Sample Images 0:00
Why how the M11 Different? 0:41
Leica M11 Customizable Buttons and Design 1:23
How to Customize the Leica M11 Custom Functions 2:04
M11 vs M10 Indicator Lights 2:24
M11 Baseplate 2:35
Battery 3:12
Menus in the M11 3:51
Battery Life 4:36
M11 Silver Vs Black 6:19
The New 60 MP BSI Sensor 6:26
Low Light Performance 8:43
Connecting the M11 to the iPhone 11:41
Leica Visoflex 2 12:25
Electronic Shutter 13:00
Experience with the M11 over 3 weeks 14:18
Image Quality 15:21
What about an M11 Monochrom? 16:43
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@joepphoto 2 года назад

It's always nice to see a reviewer who actually takes great pictures to. What a delight! Great to see again Ted.

@llchan 2 года назад

I’m a hobby photographer and I don’t shoot video at all. In the past few years, all the other major Japanese manufacturers are putting so much emphasis on video capabilities that I don’t need. I greatly appreciate Leica’s focus on serving the photographic community even though I don’t have the money to afford one.

@TexasPelican 2 года назад

Preach it, friend! The emphasis on video drives me nuts!

@Rafa-yw8nu 2 года назад

I wish there was a brand that would make a non-BS camera with manual focus, let's say three or four quality lenses, and a very simple overall design. No video, no wireless connectivity, no IBIS. If Leica made that camera for let's say $2000 to $3000, I'd get one.

@piszczello 2 года назад

@@Rafa-yw8nu You kinda get that with Fuji. Good manual controls and you can get some manual lenses. You can easily ignore the wireless and the video modes, which are standard in any modern camera. Otherwise you'll have to grab a 40 year old film camera and forget about digital.

@TexasPelican 2 года назад

@@Rafa-yw8nu YES!!!!!!

@royhobbs785 2 года назад

Hear Hear

@iandavidbrown8852 2 года назад

There is no way I can afford an M11, but it may give me the opportunity to get a used M10 or maybe M10-P at a reasonable price. Thanks for (as always) a detailed overview and opinion.

@ralphmckenzie8802 2 года назад

Agreed. Here in NZ the price tag would be somewhere between $15000 to $20000NZD depending upon markup, duties & tax. Sign of the times I guess. Most manufacturers top tier products are now grossly more expensive than the majority of us can afford.

@steveo85 2 года назад

I’m thinking along the same lines but looking more towards an M240/246🍻

@lachrimes 2 года назад

At reasonable $8000.

@oudjunk 2 года назад

Same with me. I’m waiting for discounting used M10 lol that is enough for me.

@frankwieczorek5112 2 года назад

@@ralphmckenzie8802Nz$ 15250 at Progear, Hello from Westport...

@stephenkane5074 Год назад

I always enjoy your camera reviews because you’ve taken the time to shoot with the camera that is your subject. A shooter’s guide is far more beneficial than one merely listing the camera’s features. I do miss your analysis of the work of various, gifted photographers and hope to see more of them.

@paulasimson4939 2 года назад

Great in depth review. And can I say how much I enjoyed seeing your photos? I'd love to see more of your photography, Ted.

@farukbalc598 2 года назад

Your sample photos are serious works of art.

@theartofphotography 2 года назад

Thanks!!!

@francoisp5384 2 года назад

True. These colors are splendide. Is this JPEG? What Colo ur settings did you use for Sarah's portraits?

@marcelopradostudios2719 2 года назад

I’m Brazilian, I live in Brazil… Serious your canal is very, very good… Is a inspiration for me…Nice video!!!

@carolynwheeler8475 Год назад

I really appreciate your no nonsense review of this camera. Very refreshing for sure.

@Riccardo_Mori 2 года назад

Nice review, great camera (which I'll never be able to afford), but most importantly - great photos, Ted! Those low-light indoors shots are just stunning.

@Ulrich.Bierwisch 2 года назад

I couldn't make much use out of this gem but I'm fascinated watching people who can.

@kimsosson4739 2 года назад

I'm not really in the market for such a camera but watched the video anyway since I'm a regular viewer. Honestly I like your videos best when you display a lot of your images because I think they're great. Would love to see more of them in your yt content 😊

@adventure_photo 2 года назад

Great review of the features and updates Ted! It would certainly be a dream setup especially for personal work. It seems it’s where cameras, art, quality and design, and photography all meet. Just for fun, I added an M11 and 3 or 4 lenses I would want to my cart at B&H and it came to $47,500. Maybe someday…

@drvelocio 2 года назад

I've looked at what seems like hundreds of reviews of the M11. I've ordered one--hope it doesn't take months and months to arrive. Anyhow, I found your review to be one of the best. You're knowledgeable, and present the main points quite clearly. I learned more about the M11 from yours than most others. (An M rangefinder shooter since the M2!.)

@johnmcdade8058 2 года назад

A lucid and informative presentation of this new camera from Leica. Thank you so much!

@superGMan Год назад

I have been shooting with Leica all of my life. Starting with the iiic, M4 , M8, and SL. After watching this video I will now purchase the M11. Thankyou for the very informative video!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 2 года назад

Great video Ted and loved your intro / music choice too! The M11 looks impressive!

@enigmabletchley6936 2 года назад

Always worth watching your videos. Thanks for another great one.

@vn5391 2 года назад

One day, I'll appreciate the Leica. I just love the looks and body style of Leica range style. With 3 active young kids, I'll stay with my Sony A1 and GM primes for now. Thank you Ted.

@alexanderpons9246 2 года назад

Oh wow it sounds like a great camera, then again LEICA has been a prestigeous brand for decades! Its great seeing how companies are moving forward with Digital technology as well as improving on it. This item is in my list for if I win LOTTO for sure. Thanks Ted Forbes for all the great content you make for your wonderful channel!

@Ponemnogu_o_Mnogom 9 месяцев назад

I think this is most informative and interesting video about Leica M11 I have seen on RU-vid. Thank you 👍🏻

@ahzootube 2 года назад

RU-vid algorithm brought me here. I loved the video and hyped up for the camera. Checked the price (8000 bucks) and now leaving depressed. Thank you Leica.

@patrick16pads7 2 года назад

beautiful photography in this review Sir ! Great and objective review as well ! Bravo.

@Stickybutton Год назад

I didn't think I would want this camera until I had a go at both the GRiiiX and X100V. So my M11 cost me a lot more to buy in the end. Lesson learnt.

@allena3430 2 года назад

There goes my plan to get the SL2S alongside the M10P. M11 is sick! Biggest update of Leica M bodies

@BilBrown 2 года назад

All I have to say is... OMG. So much for an M... electronic shutter, battery life with USB-C charging and data transfer, internal memory, actual off-sensor metering. That friggin SENSOR... It's totally like having my M10 and M10-R at the same time. The color science seems EVEN better. Thanks, Ted. I will be shifting around some of my cameras to pick this up.

@theartofphotography 2 года назад

We need to go shoot Bil! Hope all is well!

@wnoble67 Год назад

Thank you, I just bought an M11 and you have an excellent way of explaining the camera and the systems. I tend to buy before I think and then look at the details afterwards. I have bought every standard M camera since 8 and your statements on where the 11 is is very interesting as there were lots of years of them finding their niche and resolving small design. now with USB C, connectivity and the new sensor it looks like a positive next step.

@pleasantries1124 5 месяцев назад

quite the collection!

@Reno_T 2 года назад

Stunning review Ted and great pictures ;-)

@lvervoortify 2 года назад

Hi Ted, thanks for the excellent video. If you say that you can shoot in lower light than eg the M10-R without noise, upto what ISO are you shooting then ?

@haimtoeg 2 года назад

I have both M2 and M3, both made in the 1950s, and used weekly at least. I am willing to bet they will both outlive me and the M11.

@adamkrupa1039 2 года назад

I hace the same approach to my M6 (despite the light meter, but I can live without it if it breaks). What I am worried about is how long till we see film disappearing, rendering those cameras useless.

@CanWeSolveIt 2 года назад

Same here but with a Leica iiic made in 1941-1942. Works like a champ.

@haimtoeg 2 года назад

I don’t know. Considering that we see new films coming to market and a very lively film scene generally I’d guess there’s still time.

@adamkrupa1039 2 года назад

@@haimtoeg thats also true, especially if you shoot black and white

@Ruylopez778 2 года назад

@@adamkrupa1039 Start stockpiling film now

@fourcarb 2 года назад

Ted, excellent review that emphasizes all of the most-important points that many seem to be missing. My question: how much delay does the now-required closing of the shutter before each exposure introduce?

@MerrickGuitar 2 года назад

Great review! I do want this camera now

@alasdairmacleod721 2 года назад

I'm jealous! Rushing out to buy one now! ( great review by the way ) Subscribed!

@RockWILK 2 года назад

Great video, as always. And the music up top is bangin'.....

@ArminHirmer 2 года назад

Just amazing. I so hope that Leica will include this sensor in their upcoming Q3 in 2023! My Q2M needs a proper sidekick hahaha

@157-40_T 2 года назад

Outstanding review! Thanks.

@winfoto9288 2 года назад

Great review, Well done 👍. Thank you 🙏

@gstpierre69 2 года назад

It’s an exciting day when a new m launches. Even though I can’t even afford a service on one of these

@zguy95135 2 года назад

Very nice upgrades, although I miss the bottom plate (and the exposed USB hopefully is weatherproof!). Seriously good job by Leica, there's a lot of thoughtful updates with this one. Im still going to stick with my M10 though, new Leica prices are something else! Maybe in 4-5 years I'll upgrade to this one.

@TucsonBillD 2 года назад

By then you’ll be thinking about the M12…

@DavidImel 2 года назад

Amazing video once again my guy

@Vartan297 2 года назад

Does the Nikon d850 sensor work in a similar way when it comes to Small, Medium and Large RAW shooting? Great video as always. Thank you.

@chrisfoster8770 2 года назад

Awesome video on an awesome camera Ted!!

@munozrick 2 года назад

Thanks for the detailed explanation of the capabilities and features of the M11. No doubt a lot of its cost is for the brand, but you showed that there's a lot more (features, capabilities, details, and a ton of thought) that went into this camera that puts it in a category that most cameras can't reach. I'm still not going to buy one (for many reasons), but Leica is clearly not just sitting on the laurels of the brand.

@estlerd 2 года назад

Excellent review Ted!

@misifustres 2 года назад

Love those shots in the Kimball.

@marleenvandam6931 2 года назад

Thanks !! Would you choose the M 11 or your camera of 2021 the leica SL2-S?

@theblackandwhitefilmproject 2 года назад

I'm long sighted and struggle to see the back screen without glasses. Are the screen details like histogram , speed , aperture and light meter settings visible through the rangefinder window or just the back screen? Thanks

@mifcnm 2 года назад

I'm curious did you give up your other camera systems when you switched to the M? I'm considering switching from Fuji to Leica and I'm having a hard time letting go of the fuji? Thanks for making this viedo.

@chaser5515 2 года назад

Thank you for the great video. 40mp M10r, 60 mp M11 - hand held shots with these high mp sensors? No IBIS, correct? Minimum shutter speeds for hand held shots and blur free images? Not picking, I just don't know. Thanks!

@RonK 2 года назад

excellent video, thanks!!!

@chouandsherrie Год назад

How did you feel about the gap vs m10 mono? Will I miss out much if I hold off this round of upgrade (it only was just 3yrs ago)

@dtyusufceylan 2 года назад

i dont why but i love the photos especially 0:14 . man there some special texture or emotıon . i dont know how to describe but it is amazing

@robertchestnut3331 2 года назад

Love the Elmar M you have! I had one and always have regretted selling it. I think this summer I am going to look for a silver chrome one like yours.

@J4060 2 года назад

I have to say that the colors are freaking gorgeous!!! I'd buy it if selling my car were enough... but it is not the case.

@dgoullet1 2 года назад

Very good review, thanks

@SandbarFilmsStudios 2 года назад

Cool stuff! I'm getting one. And will spend the rest of my life learning how to use it. My buddy j marshall was a Leica man... its time! Thnx!

@DonaldHawk 2 года назад

After chasing the latest and greatest over the last 3 years I am thinking of something like this might bring some joy back to my photography. The reason being the cameras being so big with so many buttons and lens so heavy that I never want to have them with me.

@ahmedawad563 2 года назад

Nice review. As a Nikon shooter, I paused for a second when you talked about the tri-resolution sensor and that it's a first. I hope you mean it's a "first for Leica" maybe, but not for the industry. The D850 from 5 years ago has this exact same feature; the ability to choose from three different resolution settings. That was a first for the industry I believe.

@ursli893 2 года назад

Also having used Nikon I was also wondering. Also Nikon Z-lineupt does allow you to choose the resolution. Or is there anything really different? In this video it sounds as if there is just a algorithm that decides how the lower resolution file is create based on the higher resolution sensor. So the only difference would be that algorithm (not sure if it is better/worse than Nikon)

@cosmicwoman8044 Год назад

Hi Ted, Im learning photography and i have the canon r6. Are there differences between the r6 and the leica m11 in tearms of results?

@KiloOneThree 2 года назад

The USB-C port is said to be weatherproof, as it is on mobile devices. The M11 is supposed to be the most weather sealed M there is. The new 35mm APO f/2 is also more sealed on the mount ring than previous versions, so I guess that is the direction Leica are heading in for future M and M lenses.

@MrSaigoneseKD 2 года назад

What lens are you using with the camera?

@edwintam2349 2 года назад

Like others... there's no real way I can afford (or should afford) a Leica, and I just don't work with manual focus, but your passion for photography and your interpretation about what Leica enables you to do really, really makes me think otherwise! Maybe one day... and on an unrelated note, is that Sar Deitschy sounds like Peachy in some of your sample shots?

@tonymurphy9112 2 года назад

Great review, one can dream as it's out of my budget....

@Professional_internet 2 года назад

In my opinion you can just reduce the resolution of any digital photo in post production in order to reduce the noise. I think the only magic with the in-camera-reduction of resolution is Leica's talent of selling it.

@alanmlkbanda 2 года назад

So a good smartphone is enough to do it ?

@hagen9688 2 года назад

No. But you can reduce the noise of a Leica M10 too in postproduction by lowering the resolution. It's no magic.

@ezrashanti Год назад

Do you know where I can get more info on this? I'm pretty sure this is different because it's lowering the resolution but using the entire sensor whereas if you were to take a higher resolution image and lower it in post you are actually cropping. No?

@pantsdownbert 8 месяцев назад

@@ezrashantiyou are merging neighbouring pixels when you lower resolution Thats what m11 does on the sensor too,

@saulcohen5733 Год назад

I played with it in the shop and found the 50 mm easier to use. What is your preference on an m rangefinder?

@TheNanofiber 2 года назад

Internal storage?! Nice. Can you do raw on card and jpg on internal for back up purposes?

@GamachePhoto 2 года назад

which lens is on your M10-P ? Great review of the M11, looks cool, like the selectable Sensor MP.

@antonroux6737 2 года назад

How does the image quality compare to other full frame cameras and to compact medium format cameras?

@shaddring 2 года назад

Looks amazing....thinking about it

@ColemanWorld 2 года назад

I’m going on vacation to the Caribbean next month, and wanted to rent this camera to try out. Which lens would you say is a good one to bring for all rounder?

@octaviograsia2831 2 года назад

I will buy soon. Nice review

@talialiber2389 2 года назад

Great content as always Ted! But, hold on a minute, are you saying the Triple Resolution Technology is different from, say a Nikon Z 6 L, M, and S RAW file sizes?

@filibertkraxner305 2 года назад

I'm allergic to hype, but from your review it's clear that this M11 offers a whole list of real-life upgrades. I need to see how much kidneys go for these days because upgrading from my M262 is definitely worth it now.

@msandersen 2 года назад

If you sold a kidney for your last Leica, you're running out of kidneys.

@filibertkraxner305 2 года назад

@@msandersen Lol, quite right! Luckily, I got my M262 on a significant discount so my kidneys are intact ;-)

@peterenevoldsen7199 2 года назад

The Chinese has dumped the prices of kidneys😄

@danielsalas617 2 года назад

Given the cost, what in your opinion, would be the best 'one' lens to have for now?

@NaturalMentalHealthTreatments 2 года назад

I'm 99% a monochrome only photographer and was just about to invest in an M10 Monochrome, my question now is should I get an M10 Mono or the M11? I want maximum detail as close to medium format as possible in a smaller package, what do you think would give the most detail the M10 Mono or M11 converted into black and white? Thanks

@peterivarsson9267 2 года назад

How does the leica m11 compare to say Sony A7iv? Why use the app for remote, when focus is manual? It s a Beautiful system!

@philipshucet9481 2 года назад

Nice review, Ted. I'm looking at my M10M and M10R and thinking....should I?

@filterfreephotography Год назад

Looking at getting my first Leica M camera. Should I re-evaluate and double my budget and go for an M11 over a used M10-P?

@ruhnet 2 года назад

Wonderful video. One thing though in reference to your comment about Leica being the only one making rangefinders: check out the PIXII from France. It’s a very interesting camera, and is a true M mount rangefinder that is in production (albeit on a small scale).

@juannavastenner3860 Год назад

muy claro y conciso, lo felicito por su explicación,veo las laicas diferentes!

@preeteshpatel3962 2 года назад

another great video. thanks playa.

@savagefrieze4675 Год назад

Ted, How noisy is the shutter? Is it quiet enough to shoot chamber music?

@tdc_2021 2 года назад

Great video! Would you mind sharing what the first music track was?

@Paul-jb6rk 2 года назад

Good summary of the changes, but one minor correction: The M10 also had 14 bit color.

@anta40 2 года назад

Awesome review. Probably the only reason I want is because the aesthethics, which of course pretty much the same like all M film bodies we camera geeks love. But, even if I had the money, probably would skip it and go for a medium format instead, which offers more modern conveniences... including autofocus and IBIS. Yes GFX, I'm looking at you. Still, if someone is not happy with their M11, just immediately send to me for disposal... :D

@MarcoFantin1 2 года назад

Such a cool camera. In 20 years I'll buy one.

@Chris-ey7zy 2 года назад

I’ll get it in 19 years before people who buy In 20 creates Lack of cameras

@kevinhan721 2 года назад

Between silver and black cosmetics (with weight and material difference), which one do you prefer and why?

@swansheath 2 года назад

Great review. Obviously beautifully executed and crafted camera... and here comes the "but". All that impressive technology that Leica have implemented is still incorporated into what is essentially a very niche camera system which will only really appeal to photographers who are hooked on the M experience. This is of course fine as it is the business template that Leica choose to use and it has proven highly successful for them. For me, foregoing the massive sensor resolution and incorporating the visoflex (ugly things as they are!) into the viewfinder in the form of a hybrid would have been a far better improvement. Maintain the rangefinder abilities and yet have the option to have the lens view. This to me would expand the appeal, and also the practicality of the M system, once you've overcome the not insignificant obstacle of the price. C'mon! Using an M for macro work? At that price? There are far superior tools with which to do that.

@cheeeeezewizzz 2 года назад

Leicas aren't for taking photos. They are jewelry for doctors and dentists.

@Sebastian_Astudillo 2 года назад

@@cheeeeezewizzz more like hipsters and famous people

@cheeeeezewizzz 2 года назад

@@Sebastian_Astudillo The average hipster can't really afford one of these though.

@grandrapids57 Год назад

A Holga is a niche camera. This is just a very expensive one. It's niche-ness is related to one's budget only. It's a general purpose camera.

@kqschwarz 2 года назад

Man I would LOVE to return to M-cameras (an M6 and then M7 were my primary camera for a dozen years). I went Canon 5D when that came out, upgraded to the 5DM2 when that came out and then switched to Sony A7R after that. I have had every Sony A7R since and have been enjoying the A7R4, also with 61 mPx. My experience has been that two things are required to achieve the resolution promises of 30 mPx let alone 60+ mPx: (1) electronic first curtain and (2) some form of image stabilization. I don't know if the M11 has e-first curtain (assume so, because it now uses the sensor for metering), but the absence of IBIS seems like a huge negative to me for achieving the full 60 mPx resolution capability. It would be one thing if the camera was intended for tripod use only (like some medium format box cameras), but the M-cameras are supposed to be handheld. Heck, Leica positioned the tripod mount so close to the battery release, they are almost discouraging the use of a tripod and certainly L-plates. What has been your experience? Do you feel you have full 60 mPx resolution on your handheld photos, or are they ever so slightly unsharp? Thank you and great video, as usual.

@gsantamaria007 2 года назад

Why is electronic first curtain required to your view?

@bespokeimaging9674 2 года назад

How do you release the battery with a tripod plate on the camera?

@SaadKebir 2 года назад

I knew it, you were invited in Germany for the presentation of M11 :D

@sikorafiks9276 2 года назад

Leica V others (beside price ofc) “Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished.” Lao Tzu. Great review.

@AlexGPark 2 года назад

Is upgrading from M10R to M11 worth it?

@WhenWillILearn 2 года назад

Did apple help them design the USB port?

@raksh9 2 года назад

The colours you're getting from the M11 are really superb. The new sensor tech is truly groundbreaking and impressive, especially for Leica. All of it in a M body, with a combination of rangefinder and EVF focusing, makes the M11 incredible.

@labibhaddad 2 года назад

Great Peachy video, Thanks

@robrockatansky5905 2 года назад

Great photos at the Scat and MOMA!

@cheeeeezewizzz 2 года назад

Higher megapixel counts do not increase noise on any camera. That is a misconception. It's neat that you can choose smaller file sizes and still have a native file though.

@TheMrJoshbrady 2 года назад

I’d love to see a comparison of the M11 and Sony A1, they also seem to have cracked high resolution with good low light and dynamic range, I’d be curious how they stack up?

@ryanvacation7319 2 года назад

Although those two cameras are completely different, it would be a fun comparison. I'm an A1 owner who shoots action and sports so a M11 won't be a great fit for me but boy would I love my A1 to have the M11's ability to shoot smaller raw files.

@TheMrJoshbrady 2 года назад

@@ryanvacation7319 yes the user experience and use case is very different but I would guess the actual files would appear quite similar 🤔 I’d imagine other companies will be implementing the file size flexibility soon as well

@andersphansson8335 Год назад

Great video! Waiting for a Q2 Reporter…. Nice strap on M11, brand?

@dereksnyder_4244 2 года назад

this isn’t the only true rangefinder on the market today. the Fuji x100v has a real glass viewfinder. great camera.

@Phototrappeur 2 года назад

I'm afraid the X100v is not a rangefinder

@Ruylopez778 2 года назад

X-series cameras are focus by wire. X100 and X-Pro have *rangefinder style* but it's software and simulation, just like the simulation film. You don't have compact lenses on the X-Pro, and can't change to a different focal length on the X100. It's not the same thing.

@dereksnyder_4244 2 года назад

@@Ruylopez778 ah, yeah that's a fair distinction. seems like splitting hairs to me but i get what you mean.

@Ruylopez778 2 года назад

@@dereksnyder_4244 If you've used m-mount lenses and m-mount bodies (Leica or otherwise) or any decent real rangefinder camera, you'll know that you can use the scale on the lens to zone focus. And if it has a focus tab, you don't even necessarily need to look down at the camera to see where your focus is. You cannot do that on any X-series camera - short of adding a tab to the Fuji lens. Yes, you can adapt an m-mount lens to an x-series body (not X100 though, without hacking your camera) but even then, your 28mm becomes a 35mm, and your 35mm becomes a 50mm. So in instances where the user doesn't have time, or doesn't want to compose/focus by looking through the VF, a real rangefinder has a significant advantage over X-series. And even if there's no tab on the rangefinder lens, the throw is usually quite short (compared to other types of camera lenses). This is an inherent advantage of most rangefinders - a short throw - assuming the user is prioritising quick throw, of course. Then again, very fast lenses having longer throw to aid precise focus is down to preference. It's not easy to manually focus precisely at shallow depth of field on any system - even using peaking. So no, this is not "splitting hairs". Some people are oblivious to how a real rangefinder operates. Some people don't care about the difference. That doesn't mean there isn't a difference. Your original post is inaccurate, which is why three people have told you so. A manual rangefinder (with exceptions) generally has more compact lenses and bodies than other types of camera (e.g. SLR) and this is true with both 35mm/FF and MF. This is one of the inherent advantages of the design of the focus mechanism (just as all types of camera have pros and cons depending on the priority of the user). The X100 is compact because the lens is fixed and optimised for the body. Just as all X-series bodies and sensors are understandably optimised for X-series lenses, so too are Leica sensors optimised for Leica lenses. It's great at what it does, but it has several limitations compared to an m-body. Of course, limitations can be good for the user, depending on their preferences.