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Leopard 2A6 vs T-90A welded turret | NERA Armor Penetration Simulation 

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Simulation of a Leopard 2A6 projectile hitting the turret cheek armor of T-90A from the front (parallel to the vehicle axis).
120mm DM53 APFSDS (~24mm WHA penetrator, WHA segmented tip) at 1665 m/s
vs
T-90A turret cheek front armor:
Kontakt-5 ERA (17mm HHA plate, + 2x explosive elements + 9mm steel)
+
60mm RHA + NERA + 45mm HHA/SHA* + 150mm RHA at 50 degrees
NERA (21mm HHA/SHA* + 6mm rubber + 3mm bulging steel)
120mm Rh L55 muzzle velocity (DM53) - 1750 m/s. 1665 m/s refers to a distance of approximately 1.6 km.
*HHA/SHA - Sk-2Sh/Sk-3Sh steel as is suggested for their use in new welded turrets
There is a popular opinion that the so-called detachable tips are a method of overcoming ERA. Considering the fact that the ERA plate is much slower than the penetrator, this is quite a questionable solution. It is true that the K-5's effectiveness against the M829A3 was noticeably lower, but this is the result of its large diameter compared to the earlier M829A2 and M900. In my opinion, the method used is more clear. A way to defeat ERA may be to avoid detonation. How does this apply to DM53? The DM53 model was created based on photos, a patent and other indirect sources. However, the patent does not show the actual proportions of the tip. A photo of an early version of the DM53 comes in handy, the shape of which was most likely covered by a ballistic shield in the production version. The structure consists of a large tip that can be used to pierce the explosives covering plate. It is placed on a narrow "neck" where a needle-shaped segment may be located, allowing smooth passage through the explosive. This is how the penetrator segments were presented in the simulation.

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@oim8254
@oim8254 3 месяца назад
1:05 Sorry I am dumb, but what are the arrows trying to convey here?
@petrkdn8224
@petrkdn8224 3 месяца назад
The current movement of the materials present in that area.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
green is the direction of armor failure and this is the direction the penetrator is directed because it is the direction of least resistance, yellow is the direction of the main forces acting on the penetrator I'm dumb, I always think that everyone will understand what is obvious to me without explaining
@oim8254
@oim8254 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Thanks for explanation. However, from what I've seen on the video, the penetrator keeps moving forward through the armor without showing any deviation in its trajectory, even though the green arrows supposedly represent the penetrator deviating from its original trajectory. So why the direction the penetrator is moving is different from the direction of the green arrows?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
@@oim8254 long penetrators have the feature that the center of gravity is very far from the point of impact of the force and as long as it is long enough and has the appropriate speed, it will maintain its trajectory(more or less, when you draw the line you will see a slight deviation), and only the tip will be bent and destroyed.
@oim8254
@oim8254 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 So if I understood this correctly, the part of the penetrator that physically touches the plate will deviate from its trajectory, while the rest of the penetrator that haven't touch the plate will continue moving forward, correct?
@joanelol1105
@joanelol1105 3 месяца назад
Technology is so advanced that we went back to arrows
@user-wv3dg4fr8e
@user-wv3dg4fr8e 2 месяца назад
Weird looking and fast moving arrows if you ask me
@amgpsp
@amgpsp 2 месяца назад
but arrows fly at 60m/s and APFSDS at +1500m/s, a bit diference
@joanelol1105
@joanelol1105 2 месяца назад
@@amgpsp small diffrence tho
@jcjensonofficialaccount2051
@jcjensonofficialaccount2051 2 месяца назад
Turns out we REALLY hit the nail on it with arrows.
@s0meRand0m129
@s0meRand0m129 Месяц назад
@@amgpsp tank canon is basically a glorified over engineered modern crossbow that use explosion to launch the bolt instead of strength of rope and hand
@darionapoli4736
@darionapoli4736 3 месяца назад
Considering ERA didn't went off, the armour worked pretty well.
@armandomarcial4836
@armandomarcial4836 3 месяца назад
NERA it's for Non Explosive Reactive Armor
@MrPhil360
@MrPhil360 3 месяца назад
​@@overlord4404 it says Kontac 5 era, then NERA in the turret
@TheRealSteve42
@TheRealSteve42 3 месяца назад
I mean it hit the angled part of the turret, not surprising. There are other places that could be easily penetrated
@emergency_broadcast_system
@emergency_broadcast_system 3 месяца назад
​@@TheRealSteve42 The whole point of these simulations is to show rounds attempting and mostly failing to go though some of the toughest parts of tanks to study how the armor protects against the round. If he just showed the round going through all the time it would be boring
@strichtarn3228
@strichtarn3228 3 месяца назад
Kontakt-5 absolutely does not “create a jet of fire”
@evanbrown2594
@evanbrown2594 3 месяца назад
Very Interesting. Thank you for your continued effort. To anyone who complains about this, please try and remember that the mechanical properties of LRP alloys both WA and DU are mostly unknown after the early and mid 1990s. it is possible that they perform better, but modeling that is difficult without exact information. Very impressive work!
@worldoftancraft
@worldoftancraft 3 месяца назад
LRP alloys?
@evanbrown2594
@evanbrown2594 3 месяца назад
@@worldoftancraft Long Rod Penetrator
@aaronsmith8073
@aaronsmith8073 3 месяца назад
What are "LRP alloys"?
@evanbrown2594
@evanbrown2594 2 месяца назад
@@aaronsmith8073 Long Rod Penetrator
@aaronsmith8073
@aaronsmith8073 2 месяца назад
@@evanbrown2594 thanks
@deusvult6787
@deusvult6787 3 месяца назад
just wow how much damage those things can make thanks for u videos an work buddy
@4T3hM4kr0n
@4T3hM4kr0n 3 месяца назад
Based on the description the round is a sort of "tandem sabot" Just like how Tandem HEAT has a smaller charge in front with a bigger charge in the rear to defeat ERA, this has a small metal point in the tip to break the surface of the ERA followed by the main long rod.
@aquaticontent
@aquaticontent 3 месяца назад
I suppose the trick in learning if this is the actual intended method is learning the mechanism by which ERA detonates, and how it detones only for higher caliber things and not lower like autocannon or rifle fire, and then seeing if you can overcome that design mechanism. My guess for how ERA explodes under certain conditions is velocity- plastic explosives can't be detonated easily, but a high enough velocity impact can create a kinetic detonation of them. It is possible they're tuned based on the velocity of projectiles being a high enough speed meaning they're kinetic penetrators, so something has to go that fast to cause the explosive to detonate. perhaps the tip operates by crushing or mushrooming, lowering the velocity of the impact initially and creating a gap for the tough high velocity main rod to fly through
@aquaticontent
@aquaticontent 3 месяца назад
I looked into it a bit. The difference between Kontakt-1 and Kontakt-5 is not just in the difference between the thicknesses of the flyer plates, but in the composition of the explosives. Kontakt-1 is intended to detonate only with the very high velocity of a shaped charge jet, whereas kontakt-5 is able to be detonated at lower velocities to work with kinetic penetrators of a certain velocity. Thus it can be guessed that "era-defeating" upgrades to longrods operate by a mechanism of a tip that impacts the explosives more gently and cleares a path for the kinetic penetrator to fly through the plate. The subsequent response in ERA to this counter-ERA design would likely be to have much higher hardness exterior flyer plates which cause the impact-softening tips to desintegrate against them and create a greater chance for the tougher and harder core of the projectile to be what impacts, and thus detonates, the ERA
@arthurneddysmith
@arthurneddysmith Месяц назад
The answer to all your questions is in the description.
@grindererrofficial3755
@grindererrofficial3755 3 месяца назад
Very nice man
@malteschaper3782
@malteschaper3782 3 месяца назад
Wow! Splendid simulation! I didn't expect the round to be held off that well by the armor. It suddenly makes sense to use Javelins and such even more.
@user-si5ik5xf3m
@user-si5ik5xf3m 2 месяца назад
HEAT rounds have similar performance against armor as darts
@DanY-mj4gl
@DanY-mj4gl 2 месяца назад
​@@user-si5ik5xf3m but have a problem called ERA, made specifically to counter HEAT
@quan-uo5ws
@quan-uo5ws 2 месяца назад
​@@user-si5ik5xf3mNope, its much harder to defeat composite armor with HEAT, however modern ATGMs have also very high penetration power.
@sannidhyabalkote9536
@sannidhyabalkote9536 6 дней назад
​@@quan-uo5ws also top attack
@imitradisv
@imitradisv 3 месяца назад
That armor held off really good. Amazing
@user-xu2pi6vx7o
@user-xu2pi6vx7o Месяц назад
And then we have reality where a T90 got wrecked by a Bradley's 25mm gun.
@the_guy_with_yeeyee_a_haircut
@the_guy_with_yeeyee_a_haircut 23 дня назад
Not really it didn't do anything but it did ruin the sights which made the driver blind ​@@user-xu2pi6vx7o
@Voxelowo
@Voxelowo 2 месяца назад
Can you do a simulation against graphene armor?
@NotTrenchify
@NotTrenchify 3 месяца назад
Imagine if the round went in parallel to the nera plates in the armor lol, you should try rendering that
@HANGING_SILVER
@HANGING_SILVER 3 месяца назад
High chance it would go through, especially if it completely passed between the plates and the ERA failed to detonate. If ERA did detonate then there is a chance it could be stopped but id imagine some spall at the very least depending on how much of the penetrator is remaining.
@excorsis
@excorsis 3 месяца назад
There is no point lol
@Dantm928
@Dantm928 3 месяца назад
did that already
@russelltindale9428
@russelltindale9428 3 месяца назад
@@HANGING_SILVER even if the era detonated, no way it would be stopped.
@user-eu8dr9is3s
@user-eu8dr9is3s 2 месяца назад
Странно, что контакт 5 не сработал в симуляции. Он довольно чуствителен и срабатывает на снаряды. Хотя его срабатывание сделало бы броню сильно крепкой что ли и многие могли бы не поверить в результат симуляции)
@azothemtcplayer
@azothemtcplayer 3 месяца назад
Nice sim as always Dejman, I never expected the array to stop that powerful of a shell without ERA, and I assume the distance was 1.5km, correct?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Closer to 1.6km
@user-qn3xu5ee3t
@user-qn3xu5ee3t 3 месяца назад
RBS-132 vs Panther G side armor at 45 degrees impact angle from 800m?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Possibly
@justacomment1657
@justacomment1657 2 месяца назад
Still wonder why the flyplate of k5 did not ignite? Did i miss something?
@Priehten
@Priehten 3 месяца назад
As far as i know the object 292's uses 3bm-42 round but accelerated to the absurd velocity. Is it possible to se simulations of that in the future. I wonder whether it will helt to get past the ERA before it deforms the penetrator too much. Grest video!
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
If I can confirm this somewhere, it will appear
@Klovaneer
@Klovaneer 3 месяца назад
2A82 is the high velocity 125mm, LP-83 rod is not just faster but also 1.5 times heavier. 2A83 is supposed to go even bigger. Keep in mind that soviets were playing with 152mm smoothbores since the 60s on Taran.
@fbiagent9544
@fbiagent9544 3 месяца назад
what if the round came in at a 45 degree angle? would it just go between the plates?
@python3215
@python3215 2 месяца назад
yes, but for that to happen the enemy combatant would have to be like, directly underneath the tank. your best shot of penetrating is to go directly perpendicular to the armor, that negates most of the affects of NERA and will generally penetrate quite easily
@okakokakiev787
@okakokakiev787 3 месяца назад
How does armor 2ork? Exact clear explanation via arrows 😂😂😂
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
simple and transparent... I hope If anyone wants to learn more, there is a video that explains the basics: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r_csVsl1iPI.html
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 3 месяца назад
​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Joke aside, I do think 1 more are now showing the path of path would make it even better.
@saint_alucardwarthunder759
@saint_alucardwarthunder759 3 месяца назад
​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 сложна, многа букаф
@rare_kumiko
@rare_kumiko 3 месяца назад
Where did you get the T-90 turret armour from? It's the first time I see it.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
I posted some tips in the community tab
@rare_kumiko
@rare_kumiko 3 месяца назад
Alright thanks
@yeahyeah9815
@yeahyeah9815 3 месяца назад
How would a second round hitting the same section look like with the ceramics already shattered?
@olocuilta456
@olocuilta456 3 месяца назад
The poor panther goes 🅱️🅾️🅾️M before it launches another round
@Llamajake777
@Llamajake777 3 месяца назад
​@@olocuilta456If the higher ups are competent and know something about tank warfare they'll never send only a one tank to shoot at an enemy tank. This is pretty much universal strategy among all countries
@olocuilta456
@olocuilta456 3 месяца назад
@@Llamajake777 yes they never launch an alone tank
@odinrossi3353
@odinrossi3353 3 месяца назад
Там нет керамики - только сталь высокой твёрдости.
@Akendesuu
@Akendesuu 2 месяца назад
I always thought T90A turret armor arrangement would give more normalization to the apfsds by pushing it upward a bit more
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 2 месяца назад
physically you cannot push the apfsds significantly because the center of gravity is very far from the applied force, so the tip of the penetrator is the first to give in
@elgranfreezer9117
@elgranfreezer9117 3 месяца назад
It looks like the armor is very effective despite being an older model.
@fabriziolucaaimettaenrique3217
@fabriziolucaaimettaenrique3217 3 месяца назад
Interesting, what does SHA means? I have never heard of it.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Semi hardened armor. Between RHA and HHA in terms of hardness
@horoshijchel3339
@horoshijchel3339 2 месяца назад
Can you make "Nozh" ERA vs 3bm46?
@contagioushavoc5794
@contagioushavoc5794 3 месяца назад
Could a few autocannon rounds sufficiently degrade the nera array to the point it is no longer effective against tank rounds?
@blanchbacker
@blanchbacker 3 месяца назад
Good question
@rajaydon1893
@rajaydon1893 3 месяца назад
You would be shooting for an hour
@10.huynhphathuy8
@10.huynhphathuy8 3 месяца назад
yes, but if the T-90A is polite enough to not return fire
@signs80
@signs80 2 месяца назад
You could do so but you would need to shoot it very close to where the autocannon rounds penetrated. It would take either an insanely lucky shot or you'd need to hammer at the turret for a full minute to hit enough surface area
@python3215
@python3215 2 месяца назад
@@10.huynhphathuy8 if you hit said T-90A with HE autocannon, its most likely going to scramble the crew and disable the optics prime example of what happened with the M2A2 vs T-90M. The bradley smacked the T-90M with HE, which disabled the optics, then they switched the loads to APDS and began hitting the turret ring, which penetrated and disabled the turret ring
@kingtiger6155
@kingtiger6155 3 месяца назад
question is how would dm73 perform
@GoRideLP
@GoRideLP 3 месяца назад
can you do a video where the dart goes parallel to those nera inserts?
@Lexey_36
@Lexey_36 3 месяца назад
Зачем? Параллельно в танк не выстрелишь.Это будет мультик а не боевые условия
@python3215
@python3215 2 месяца назад
@@Lexey_36 yes you can... its very possible that a combatant tank can get a parallel shot in said scenario, most of the NERA would be negated and the sabot would slice right through
@paulopratta9917
@paulopratta9917 3 месяца назад
i belive a lot of people has already made this question but what is the program used? thanks : )
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Ansys
@paulopratta9917
@paulopratta9917 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Witch one thou I looked at the site There are so many
@paulopratta9917
@paulopratta9917 2 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 But which one? I looked on their site and there is a lot of programs available
@viper9776
@viper9776 3 месяца назад
now I'm curious about m829a3, would it pen with/without malfunction of kontakt-5?
@somerandomboibackup6086
@somerandomboibackup6086 3 месяца назад
it will disregard K5 but I'm not sure, that's a thick turret (even T-72B has like 900mm LOS of materials and air)
@HanSolo__
@HanSolo__ 3 месяца назад
It would at least crack the base armour and fill the crew compartment with shrapnel.
@voidtempering8700
@voidtempering8700 3 месяца назад
​@@somerandomboibackup6086 That is the thickest portion, the turret checks are around 550mm thick.
@somerandomboibackup6086
@somerandomboibackup6086 3 месяца назад
@@voidtempering8700 cheeks have like no considerable NERA, but it's like the biggest part of the turret when facing enemies so yeah
@Isler_
@Isler_ 3 месяца назад
one thing isnt entirely clear to me about this and that is if the ERA naturally didnt explode or you forced it not to explode
@python3215
@python3215 2 месяца назад
ERA doesn't really work against APFSDS rounds, only has a major affect on HEAT-FS
@handsomeivan1980
@handsomeivan1980 3 месяца назад
Without the ERA I didn't think the turret would be this effective honestly How about the same test but on the older casted T-72B turret ? Faulty/non working k5 included
@user-qn3xu5ee3t
@user-qn3xu5ee3t 3 месяца назад
The result would be more or less the same. T-72B has similar turret filling, it just houses NERA in casted turret instead of welded one
@handsomeivan1980
@handsomeivan1980 3 месяца назад
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t I'm assuming something similar too but still be nice
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
The T-72B has less thickness at the line of sight and inferior cast armor I'll do it someday
@user-qn3xu5ee3t
@user-qn3xu5ee3t 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 The difference at roughly the same spot is about 100-150mm. According to WT that is
@WMD44
@WMD44 2 месяца назад
nice video
@user-bk3gz5ed1j
@user-bk3gz5ed1j Месяц назад
Honestly I belive that the round would not crumble due to the depleted uranium used in DM 56
@BOEING--mh6xm
@BOEING--mh6xm 2 месяца назад
THE TARGET HASN’T TAKEN ANY DAMAGE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@maximax217
@maximax217 3 месяца назад
Can you do the same simulation using dm73?
@_Rudi_666
@_Rudi_666 3 месяца назад
DM 73 is brand new. I dont think there is any non-classified data on it available.
@B-roni
@B-roni 3 месяца назад
Is there enough information about DM63 to see how it would perform?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
I have no basis
@Maverick966
@Maverick966 3 месяца назад
DM63 is just a DM53 with more consistent propellant in different temperatures, would make no actual difference in this test
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
@@Maverick966 maybe, maybe not the tip looks different, probably for a reason
@Maverick966
@Maverick966 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 The tip might be different but the penetrator is very similar to DM53 penetrator in size, at 15° celsius both have the same muzzle velocity, not enough to make a significant difference in this test, in real life for sure due to the more consistent propellant
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
@@Maverick966 energetically yes, no design will cheat physics, but it may have a different way of penetrating ERA for example
@harryhirsch318
@harryhirsch318 3 месяца назад
What Kind of Software do you use for Simulation?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Ansys it's engineering software
@harryhirsch318
@harryhirsch318 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 ok, thanks. It is LS-Dyna not Autodyn?
@RK-nj2il
@RK-nj2il 3 месяца назад
Someone know what is the program used in the simulations?
@IonPerseus
@IonPerseus 3 месяца назад
ANSYS, afaik
@andresmartinezramos7513
@andresmartinezramos7513 3 месяца назад
He once said he uses ANSYS
@FXIIBeaver
@FXIIBeaver 3 месяца назад
Someone should post this to the warthunder forums and show them DM53 is not an anti era round.
@ingilizmandasntercihedelim6030
@ingilizmandasntercihedelim6030 3 месяца назад
Bu simülasyonu DM 63 ile tekrar yapmanı çok isterim🎉❤bu simülasyon için teşekkürler
@jonny2954
@jonny2954 3 месяца назад
Not enough info on DM63.
@jenclydelemosnero2529
@jenclydelemosnero2529 3 месяца назад
Hey, can you do Dm73 at T-90M Ufp?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Idk what DM73 looks like, noone knows
@roboticintelligenceunit1a652
@roboticintelligenceunit1a652 2 месяца назад
What is the blue liner on the spaced armour
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 2 месяца назад
Elastomer, rubber-like
@lazyman7505
@lazyman7505 3 месяца назад
I'm curious about one thing - I vaguely recall reading some time ago that modern composite armor also include ceramics, yet I don't remember ever seeing anything like that in any of your simulations. Is it just a myth? Or is it obsolete in modern armors? Or is my memory just wrong (very possible)?
@semirzerzour9966
@semirzerzour9966 3 месяца назад
There was stuff like the T-64 Ceramic ball inserts, but these days most armor is NERA, that is Rubber and metal stacked in sandwiches with a airgap.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
I made a T-80UD turret with ceramic armor. There was an idea to use ceramics in the new welded turrets for the T-80 and T-72B, but it was apparently abandoned. In the case of eastern tanks, Leopard 2A0-A4s used NERA similar to the one shown here until 87', probably switched to ceramics after 87'.
@patrykb_
@patrykb_ 3 месяца назад
Polish PT-91 from the end of production and Malaysian PT-91M have a composite based on CAWA ceramic armor.
@lazyman7505
@lazyman7505 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174Thank you, I'll search for the video you mentioned. It would be very interesting (at least to me) to see the differences between different compositions of metal/rubber/ceramics (and whatever else people came up with to put in tank armor).
@somerandomboibackup6086
@somerandomboibackup6086 3 месяца назад
ceramics are actually 💩compared to rubber NERA when it comes to stopping a tungsten or DU round, that said it can still destabilize penetrators, just so much less effective
@irirjhrhr4645
@irirjhrhr4645 3 месяца назад
the blueberry jam worked
@Xtoxinlolinecronomicon
@Xtoxinlolinecronomicon 3 месяца назад
Blueberry waffles
@igorshluker_9787
@igorshluker_9787 2 месяца назад
Ну вот это уже более-менее симуляция...И то кажется будто скорость снижена для такой реакции снаряда.
@ethanmckinney203
@ethanmckinney203 3 месяца назад
Makes me wonder how a rifled 120mm firing simple AP would do.
@Llamajake777
@Llamajake777 3 месяца назад
Could very well stopped mostly by the era block alone
@GordonMusliman
@GordonMusliman 3 месяца назад
Why did K-5 failed in this simulation? It didn't go off.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Check description
@KekusMagnus
@KekusMagnus 3 месяца назад
Might be best adding "faulty ERA" to the video title as it was confusing
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Except that's not what the video is about. K-5 is fully functional in this situation. The video is intended to show that the K-5 is in fact not reliable and that modern penetrators have certainly benefited from this.
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 3 месяца назад
Contact 5 didn't fire?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
as you can see, the K-5 has sensitivity issues, so there's a good chance the special tip won't initiate it
@randomyoutubeenjoyer6010
@randomyoutubeenjoyer6010 3 месяца назад
Enemy didnt taken any damage 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
@quan-uo5ws
@quan-uo5ws 3 месяца назад
Does T-90M have better base armor? or is the only change relict?
@ukuskota4106
@ukuskota4106 3 месяца назад
it's secret
@thehornyhorny
@thehornyhorny 3 месяца назад
​@@ukuskota4106secret in ruzzian language means "not there, already sold, missing in Action, Delivery Problems, sanctions, unqualified workers and Something the Ukraine ist involved with 🤣🤣🤣
@user-te4rk1td9j
@user-te4rk1td9j 3 месяца назад
@@thehornyhorny bruh💀
@zeffy._440
@zeffy._440 3 месяца назад
Tell me you're coping hard without telling me your coping hard 🤣 ​@@thehornyhorny
@zeffy._440
@zeffy._440 3 месяца назад
We don't actually know the composition or changes made not for the T-72B3's base armour or the T-90A's or M's from earlier models. It's just assumed that it's the same because the hull looks identical practically to previous models in size, depth etc. Likely different materials as well as different densities are used in the base armour alone from earlier models but we don't know for sure
@TeddyKrimsony
@TeddyKrimsony 3 месяца назад
shouldn't the ERA block explode?
@handsomeivan1980
@handsomeivan1980 3 месяца назад
In this test he had it not explode Basically if it were empty
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Check description
@glasstuna
@glasstuna 3 месяца назад
​@@handsomeivan1980nera Non Explosive Reactive Armor. Non Explosive.
@voidtempering8700
@voidtempering8700 3 месяца назад
​@@glasstunaThe ERA didn't go off. NERA is different from K-5 ERA.
@purplepotato69
@purplepotato69 3 месяца назад
@@glasstunaNERA is in the turret; the one on the outside didn’t explode-which is what this comment was referring to
@TheInfamousMrFox
@TheInfamousMrFox 2 месяца назад
Makes the 127 T90s they've lost in Ukraine all the more impressive.
@4T3hM4kr0n
@4T3hM4kr0n 3 месяца назад
whats SHA? Soul Hardened Armor?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Semi Hardened Armor
@m192ba
@m192ba 19 дней назад
Осталось в пустоты кевларовых матов напихать и будет почти идеальная защита.
@Bitt3rh0lz
@Bitt3rh0lz 3 месяца назад
Hmmm, Id really like to see a mantlet shot or a less steep angle on this one. Or maybe a shot to the front of the hull near the drivers hatch
@user-qn3xu5ee3t
@user-qn3xu5ee3t 3 месяца назад
So, you want to see a shot at a weak spot? Ask for a side shot
@Ganiscol
@Ganiscol 3 месяца назад
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t He's asking for a more probable shot, not best case from the armor's standpoint. Gotta have both, as there are more less favorable angles (for the armor) than there are unfavorable ones.
@user-pc7do4wr7q
@user-pc7do4wr7q 2 месяца назад
why did kontakt-5 not work?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 2 месяца назад
because the DM53 has a special tip that, with some probability, may not detonate the explosives
@S1su
@S1su 2 месяца назад
1 grain of sand going mach 10 or 100 vs armour
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 3 месяца назад
disregarding the malfunctioning ERA as that was intentional as other have discussed this is definitely one of the most ideal situations the armor could have encountered because had the shot bee from an angle not directly to the front of the turret even by a few degrees those reflective panels inside would have a dramatically decreased effectiveness. maybe its worth a bit of a test simulation to show that interaction, basically have a shot hit in a theoretical situation where the T90 turret is still turning towards the threat when the cheek it hit with the cannon breach pointed about 15-20 degrees away from the firing position.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
This is the natural angle of the cheeks when viewed from the front of the turret
@patrykb_
@patrykb_ 3 месяца назад
are you suggesting that the bullet would slip between the plates?.... I think so too, I can't understand why they did it this way.
@KekusMagnus
@KekusMagnus 3 месяца назад
but it could also be worse if it hits it at a more oblique angle. Realistically, this is the most probable angle as it represents a dead-on shot
@RAYY_WILD
@RAYY_WILD 3 месяца назад
@@patrykb_ most nera blocks disigned like that
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 yes but what my point was is that its not every engagement that a shot would come at the perfect forward angle in an engagement, with an opposing tank being at any angle other than directly forward of your gun when you get hit the effectiveness of the armor is decreased dramatically. IIRC there is an example out of Ukraine of a shaped charge getting through the cheek where ERA was not present due to hitting at an angle of around 20-30 degrees to the side frontal arc of the turret with the jet having visibly gone between the deflector plates. I am not criticizing your simulation as it is showing how the armor is intended to work under ideal circumstances but I was just getting at how the specific layout of this composite armor array degrades in effectiveness dramatically from a target attacking at a slight angle with the given example of the turret still rotating to engage a threat but getting hit prior to having the gun pointed at said threat.
@davidborrazvelazquez8407
@davidborrazvelazquez8407 3 месяца назад
Dm73 plz on 120mm L55
@BesoffenerIslamist
@BesoffenerIslamist 3 месяца назад
we don't have data about DM73 because it's very new and very classified. No data = no simulation
@BentCheeks
@BentCheeks 3 месяца назад
The shot placement is pretty far left, pretty sure it just flat out misses the commander if it pens (though shrapnel would hit), any reason why?
@BKBCrAnK
@BKBCrAnK 3 месяца назад
any reason why, what?!
@BentCheeks
@BentCheeks 3 месяца назад
@@BKBCrAnK any reason why he chose to offset the shot so far off to the right? The angled spot on the turret is pretty far off from the center of the tank
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 3 месяца назад
Dejmain based his simulation on his pervious work and his own educated guess. Previously, with k5 on the hull and activate properly, the penetrator pass through at impact velocity lower than 1600m/s (over 3km). So he adjust the simulation accordingly, as it would be no point in learning what we already know. In this case, the impact velocity is roughly at 2km, and he likely underestimate the armor a little bit. Ideally, we will gain the most if the penetrator reach at least halfway into the back plate.
@user-bv6pz9ir5x
@user-bv6pz9ir5x 2 месяца назад
А почему не было подрыва ДЗ?
@Nebby_Webby
@Nebby_Webby Месяц назад
DM53 has a pretty good chance of not detonating EEA
@okakokakiev787
@okakokakiev787 3 месяца назад
Looking forward to drama
@alikaraahmet5050
@alikaraahmet5050 3 месяца назад
Why the K-5 didn't work? Mistakenly or are you misleading the dudes there 😁
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Penetrator with a specialized tip can pass through K-5 without initiation
@WBKasper
@WBKasper 3 месяца назад
"Panzerfaust 60" (or 100) vs late WWII "T-34-85" front upper hull... or maybe "Panzerfaust 60" (or 100) vs side upper hull with mesh screen of "T-34-85E", someday?
@IonPerseus
@IonPerseus 3 месяца назад
Prolly not, since HEAT rounds are extremely tricky to simulate
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Yes, HEAT warheads are too demanding for regular computers. I did one such simulation, but only part of it was successful
@Evteev_Ulyan_Politruk
@Evteev_Ulyan_Politruk 3 месяца назад
Контакт 5 отработал бы, но у нас видео чисто про броню башни, а не броню башни+ДЗ. Хотя я бы посмотрел, как ратотает ДМ63 или М829А3 на башне Т-90М с Реликтом. И даже сравнительные испытания К5 и Реликта в симуляторе
@GordonMusliman
@GordonMusliman 3 месяца назад
Both of those would have failed in the angle we are seeing here. But a more realistic angle i think they would penetrate.
@Winston-lf7sb
@Winston-lf7sb 3 месяца назад
looks like something wot would commission....
@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785
@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 3 месяца назад
Russia: Write this down! write this down! oh...wait. 🤣
@danicastaneda1099
@danicastaneda1099 3 месяца назад
Huh, that went through a lot more then I thought it would
@user-kp2mj2sh7x
@user-kp2mj2sh7x 2 месяца назад
Почему динамическая защита не сработала?
@ThedodgerKharkiv
@ThedodgerKharkiv 2 месяца назад
ДЗ в первую очередь все же работает против кумулей и птур. Против ОБПС это не панацея.
@user-kp2mj2sh7x
@user-kp2mj2sh7x 2 месяца назад
@@ThedodgerKharkiv вроде как реликт под бопс был заточен🤔 хотя потом и бопс под реликт заточили🤔
@ThedodgerKharkiv
@ThedodgerKharkiv 2 месяца назад
​@@user-kp2mj2sh7xэто т-90а, у него контакт 5. Она против кумулей в большей степени подходит. ОБПС же может не инициировать к5, поскольку есть множество факторов. Например угол атаки
@user-kp2mj2sh7x
@user-kp2mj2sh7x 2 месяца назад
@@ThedodgerKharkiv количество осколков еще
@Akendesuu
@Akendesuu 2 месяца назад
the DM53 has a special tip that, with some probability, may not detonate the explosives
@c15a
@c15a 3 месяца назад
прямое попадание 🐆💥💸
@KasKusOK
@KasKusOK Месяц назад
ОБПС пролетает сквозь взрывчатое вещество. Также оно : 🙂‍↔️😊
@LtVadim
@LtVadim 3 месяца назад
Do a new russian "Turtle-tank"!!!
@Zadlo14
@Zadlo14 3 месяца назад
According to Indian sources T-90S turret backplate is 130mm thick, not 150mm thick
@GordonMusliman
@GordonMusliman 3 месяца назад
Different vehicles.
@IonPerseus
@IonPerseus 3 месяца назад
T-90A and T-90S are different vehicles
@Zadlo14
@Zadlo14 3 месяца назад
@@IonPerseus Do you have any proof they are different in terms of basic protection?
@GordonMusliman
@GordonMusliman 3 месяца назад
@@Zadlo14 The entire turret is different
@IonPerseus
@IonPerseus 3 месяца назад
@@Zadlo14 can't provide any links, but apparently T-90S has the same cast turret from original T-90 (1992) that went into serial production, T-90A has new welded turret from obj 188A
@Lightfore
@Lightfore Месяц назад
Помоему если просто выстрелить в танк ОФ(HE) снарядом, может он и не будет уничтожен, но свои функции выполнять он уже не сможет.
@davidvandavidsen9568
@davidvandavidsen9568 3 месяца назад
The A6 has a L55 smooth bored gun and the DM53 has 1760m/s - just for your information🤷🏻‍♂️
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
penetrator velocity varies with distance 😯😯😯
@simontist
@simontist 3 месяца назад
Like a cheese grater.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 3 месяца назад
Some question. 1. Is ceramic era still happening? 2. If we were looking into unconventional rod tip design, france ball bearing tip on rod?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
You mean, balls against personnel on the tips of French penetrators? when I made ofl-105 I replaced it with some uniform equivalent, as the balls are relatively soft and almost do not affect penetration + what about this era?
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 3 месяца назад
​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Maybe compare ceramic vs steel fly plate? We do have patents of polish era with ceramic fly plate. Or there is nothing of interest we can learn?
@Klovaneer
@Klovaneer 3 месяца назад
@@jintsuubest9331 That sounds silly - flying plate is supposed to maintain rigidity to keep presenting new area to the projectile when ceramic works by *contained* shattering.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 3 месяца назад
​@@Klovaneer Tell that to the poles. They even develop second generation of it.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 3 месяца назад
​@@Klovaneer Then ask the polish. They made not one but at least two generations of era with ceramic fly plate. Beside, plate feeding is not the only mechanism how era works.
@RTankist
@RTankist 3 месяца назад
What is wrong with ERA?
@76456
@76456 3 месяца назад
Its on porpuse
@Patryk-ix2zr
@Patryk-ix2zr 3 месяца назад
Cardboard technology
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
Check description
@RTankist
@RTankist 3 месяца назад
​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174oh ok
@JAnx01
@JAnx01 3 месяца назад
It's filled with rubber. /jk
@Definitely_the_best
@Definitely_the_best 3 месяца назад
500$ fpv drone like - listen here noob .
@user-oi8hm5iu6n
@user-oi8hm5iu6n 2 месяца назад
Где леопард и где т-90?
@user-ob9jg2ue3h
@user-ob9jg2ue3h 2 месяца назад
Леопард стреляет , броня т90
@user-oi8hm5iu6n
@user-oi8hm5iu6n 2 месяца назад
@@user-ob9jg2ue3h спасибо, а как ты догадался?
@user-ob9jg2ue3h
@user-ob9jg2ue3h 2 месяца назад
@@user-oi8hm5iu6n ну так в начале видео снаряд дм53, это немецкий обпс, а стреляют в т90 как показано на превью
@user-oi8hm5iu6n
@user-oi8hm5iu6n 2 месяца назад
@@user-ob9jg2ue3h , я дважды пересматривал и не увидел обозначения )
@TitoIsTheBest
@TitoIsTheBest 2 месяца назад
next time put some goofy sound music
@redvictor2877
@redvictor2877 3 месяца назад
A huge, hard, complex projectile fired from a long barrel or one buzzing, cheap boi with a rocket taped up with duct tape - what will tear off the turret of this T-90?
@NexusReload
@NexusReload 3 месяца назад
Chemicals vs kinetic
@p_filippouz
@p_filippouz 3 месяца назад
Well, many things can take out tanks. It's just a matter of how you fight them For example, the Italians in Ww2, while retreating from el Alamein, didn't have many anti tank weapons and mostly used Molotovs and improvised explosives They were however incredibly effective, managing to hold off something like 150000 British troops while they were 15 000
@Ganiscol
@Ganiscol 3 месяца назад
Its just a matter of time until cheap drones become fairly useless due to widespread deployment of jammers on vehicles. Electronic warfare just has to make its way from the airspace to the ground in a smaller package and with somewhat protected emitters that wont immediately fail when even hit by small arms fire or shrapnel.
@THEGRAYFOXX00
@THEGRAYFOXX00 3 месяца назад
M829A4 out of the same gun almost made it through...almost. safe to say that T90 crew would be having a significant emotional event.
@azothemtcplayer
@azothemtcplayer 3 месяца назад
Can you link the sim to this please?
@THEGRAYFOXX00
@THEGRAYFOXX00 3 месяца назад
@@azothemtcplayer it don't exist anymore, yt took it down. I had it saved... In theory with slightly higher velocity the DU round basically performed roughly 10% better than tungsten
@GordonMusliman
@GordonMusliman 3 месяца назад
M829A4 simulation? Sounds bullshit considering info on that is nigh impossible to find
@aflyingcowboy31
@aflyingcowboy31 3 месяца назад
@@THEGRAYFOXX00 I would love to know how they could even model M829A4 when we know very little about what the purposes of it performance wise over M829A3 i.e. why tf does it have datalink capability? Afaik we also don't know much about the round in general except for what the US military has stated in declassified documents, and the things they have stated just left me with more questions.
@THEGRAYFOXX00
@THEGRAYFOXX00 3 месяца назад
@@aflyingcowboy31 no idea man other than programable munition reasons...the presumption was that the slightly better alloy for the dart body or ERA defeating or less degradation after ERA was set off. weirdly enough it did behave just like DM53 but it went almost all the way through. almost. if i remember the vid the dart velocity was around ~1850m/s
@95keat
@95keat 3 месяца назад
The angle of this shot is like a tragedy, the poor leopard didnt stand a chance.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
is the design angle of the turret when viewed from the front of the vehicle
@fpsserbia6570
@fpsserbia6570 3 месяца назад
Kontakt-5 is meant to explode it is ERA not NERA
@76456
@76456 3 месяца назад
This sim was ment to test a situation where K-5 doesnt activate.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
check the description
@fpsserbia6570
@fpsserbia6570 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174is it know under what conditions ERA would not explode coming in contact with projectile ? i just did xD
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
@@fpsserbia6570 The Swedish T-80U trials mention "special conditions" (even before DM53 was created), so it seems to me that a specialized penetrator can achieve a fairly high probability of success
@4T3hM4kr0n
@4T3hM4kr0n 3 месяца назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 "so it seems to me that a specialized penetrator can achieve a fairly high probability of success" Sounds like a callout to M829A3/M829A4
@davidh.6930
@davidh.6930 3 месяца назад
And then a Bradley comes around xD
@leehoward5370
@leehoward5370 3 месяца назад
I heard representation like this is unreliable due to their inability to demonstrate heat and real physics like humidity and the weather, another thing is the fact people think you have to 100% penetrate a tank for a shot to be a effective, pressure and concussions isn’t great on the human body. Ok video. 👍 Just don’t like the “well actually… *links this video 🤓🤓🤓”
@alfredchurchill2328
@alfredchurchill2328 Месяц назад
In the real world this sabot drives clean through. Nice simulation though
@Collateralcoffee
@Collateralcoffee 3 месяца назад
This is like the best possible angle for the T90. Any other angle, and it would have penetrated. Not representative.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
this is the normal angle when viewed from the front
@BelugaChonky
@BelugaChonky 2 месяца назад
The armour is angled already
@Sashaw.-.999
@Sashaw.-.999 Месяц назад
Non Penetration *throws keyboard at the wall* RUSSIAN BIAS
@50Herosim
@50Herosim 2 месяца назад
Шёл 2024 год , американцы пока что еще не узнали что в мире существует противотанковые мины , артиллерия , дроны и птуры 😅. Американские генералы по прежнему планируют свою тактику по игре The world of tanks 😂
@tomwanks9123
@tomwanks9123 Месяц назад
what the fuck is bro talking about
@lowe_sa2976
@lowe_sa2976 Месяц назад
​@@tomwanks9123 he's russian
@Nebby_Webby
@Nebby_Webby Месяц назад
Says the man who lost more tanks then there's people in some small countries
@patrykb_
@patrykb_ 3 месяца назад
I was right, total lack of penetration in the cheek of the turret😎
@vornamenachname5555
@vornamenachname5555 3 месяца назад
ERA is not working ?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 3 месяца назад
check the description
@petrkdn8224
@petrkdn8224 3 месяца назад
yea, last community post, it assumes if the ERA malfunctioned, and did not explode.
@MajorJimPlays
@MajorJimPlays 3 месяца назад
Do a T-90 vs a $300 Ukrainian drone. 😂
@ThedodgerKharkiv
@ThedodgerKharkiv 2 месяца назад
Только баба яга не 300 стоит. В остальном дронов у нас них не осталось так-то
@ZloveGro
@ZloveGro 3 месяца назад
720р видео....вы реально?!😂
@alajouer6374
@alajouer6374 3 месяца назад
Сперва от последствий приёма метанола отойди
@BesoffenerIslamist
@BesoffenerIslamist 3 месяца назад
​@@alajouer6374 exactly, go tell him!
@ukuskota4106
@ukuskota4106 3 месяца назад
Now russians will stop whining in comments.
@tvanb8729
@tvanb8729 2 месяца назад
Ridiculous angle
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 2 месяца назад
the penetrator flies parallel to the gun axis...
@ZafrielDante
@ZafrielDante 2 месяца назад
for that CIA pay u for??? Russian armor made from woods - redone this fast!
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