The Leopard 2PL Is A Bad Idea 

i feel you complain about anything that does not go your way

They actually should add a polish tech tree

@@Someone-oh2so i agree

Just wait till he finds out about the m1a1 aim

Me:i want an Abrams

Hatred.

ah yes, oversimplified.

@@smokyblackeyes3615 I was actually quoting Company of Heroes 2 :v

The sherman of top tier

not even, it's more like giving a kid the $500 Death Star

but i like leprod 2pl because polandia

Well i mean there is the bmp 2m

And the set is pre-built

@@somezsaltz6835 but that’s 8.7. The PL is according to the dev server, will be 10.7

If they had any of those things they would quit their jobs.

This one got me good, honestly.

@@OddBawZ oh hey make a video on the SK 60B again as a ground support!

They are. And don't think they are not aware of it. It's just not a problem for them, it's a sollution.

@@OddBawZ a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!

Yeah, i can see Leclerc of Arab Emirates Army for french already

They won’t learn if this is what they wanted

I am not a wt player so, from the outside perspective, it seems that gaijin doesn't really care about the players or the game and only the money. It is unfortunate that so many companies are like this.

@@spiritmoon5998 they ignore us because all the dumb kids are willing to spend 60 dollars on a preem tank no matter what Gaijin does.

@@spiritmoon5998 I've been playing WT since before The Tanks back then it was good, then the tanks came and everybody was excited for something new, it wasn't the best you could literally drive into a small rick and lose all your crew but back then they cared and listened a bit, fast forward to the beginning of modern tanks things really went downhill fast they started to not care and now we here, I loved this game once sad to say playing it has been frustrating me very much lately and I've been losing interest rapidly, I might just abandon armored tank combat games altogether it's not worth losing your mind everytime Gaijin loses the plot more and more

Leo too good?? Have u ever played leopard 2A5 in 10.7,probably not,its one of the worst tanks in the game,one of loudest engine in the game,almost everytime one shot(at the left part of the cannon mantlet,it goes in loader,and in ammo,and u are dead bc blow out pannels never work on leopard

@@gabwafen6278 stop

@@gabwafen6278 Stop, really, stop.

@@gabwafen6278 Your upset that the Leopard 2A5 doesn't come equipped with fully automated targeting system, force shields, and lasers. If want to go around seal clubbing in your WunderWaffen go play Tokyo Warfare or Armored Warfare.

@@gabwafen6278 Let me guess you spent 500$ to get to the 2A5 in one day

pojebało rychu

@@Eire_Aontaithe I see you're comment police here. Nobody wants you here, get out, please :)

@@Eire_Aontaithe go

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It stand for Please Leave.

They don't care. Aslong as the money comes in

They will learn a lesson from this, just not the right one. The lesson they'll learn is, that people are willing to shell out money for top tier vehicles, which means they'll do it again in the future.

Lesson: Top tier premium is more money, will do it regularly

Yeah haha, next is M1 Thumper squad vehicle for USA, T-80UM2 Black Eagle for Russia

"WHAT!, we can't hear you over the sound of money going to our pockets!"

2PT - 2 Potential Taxes

2PL: 200% Packet Loss

2pl? They should change it to l2p for the ones that payed for it

@@xtremegamer3d480 now that's a good one XD

@@xtremegamer3d480 just thought of one for the P2W people, how about P2L = Pay 2 Lose :P

Yeah it’s going to do the exact same thing the TURMS did, where it gives one of the two best nations a vehicle which somehow ruins their win rate at top tier, while making them decimate in a full down tier. If the Leo 2PL gets DM33, then it’s a 2a5 with better optics. If not it’s just going to be a bunch of idiots running around in 2a4s getting murdered. The reason you don’t sell top tier premiums is to protect top tier from premium smoothbrains. This will only fuck top tier MM, which is going to screw over all the other BRs as they’ll all get even more up tiers if top tier has less players.

Yes, but that requires quite a lot of knowledge about how the game is played... and intelligence. Seeing as the dev team has an iq similar to that of a chimp, I doubt that'll happen.

@@kite2036 agreed, there has to be a synergy between domain knowledge and data, seeing most of gaijin's argument are just raw statistics they're essentially violating statistical thinking

Remember that gajin’s data assumes that all nation have identical skill base, which it’s actually not.

@@ReggieMarshale Yeah, a lot of first time players gravitate toward the big 3 nations. That’s why you have so many people running around in TURMS like chickens with their heads cut off at top tier. Which made Gaijin nuke top tier matchmaking and make it so Germany is usually split up and one team is a bunch of Abrams and a couple 2a4s vs. the Russians and the Panzer Elite. In gaijins infinite wisdom, pairing up the two most played nations at top tier made queue times go through the roof. I have to wait a couple minutes now vs insta queues a couple months ago.

Snail HQ: "The whales are suffering, we need to save them!" [Leopard 2AX in the works] [Panavia Tornado being modeled] [Abrams premium for Germany] [Jumbo premium for Germany [A10 premium for Germany] [T-55 Premium for Germany] [reserve tier Panzerfaust motorcycle premiums] Meanwhile America Gets T49 57mm T67 76mm and the world ends... Have you gotten cancer yet?

germany suffers on some br's, but i have to admit that the leo2a6 is stupid, like, they should add things that are fun and different not an upgrade of one of the best mbts lmao.

@@UserPendingDeletion the panzer 3/4s are amazing and 1.0 is the most you can have in the german tree

@@UserPendingDeletion Germany 6.7 without premiums and without the removed vehicles would like to talk to you

Germany Suffers.

@@beefstew6512 I’d say the shittiest time for Germany Tier is 6.7 Where you get your Tiger II H. But then see Post War Tanks that can pen it pretty easily or simply just outflank it due to sheer speed. Granted angling still makes it bearable, but a skilled Tiger II just doesn’t keep up. Otherwise I got no problems with em.

Yes more Leos for me

Nice avatar bro

@@TheLARPist visible confusion...

Low tier type 75 sph

I used to take my ha-go all the time to 10.0br

So be an annoying peice of shit? Imagine how the teammates would feel if you brought a 1.X tank to 10.X battle, and then you get killed once and then leave, boom, they're 1 man short

@@politicallyinaccuratetoast4757 Most people will respawn after dying in a low tier tank, which is usually 50 to 70 sp so you can respawn in anything you want after you die, even a plane

@@politicallyinaccuratetoast4757 they do that with Tigers they die once and leave

You know the problem with what you're saying is that I legit think they might to that

It will be 10.3, mark my words

Its between the leopard 2 and the 2A5, so where would it fit? 10.3, yet germany has no 10.3 so basically its played on 10.7 anyway

@@xXDeltaTwoZeroXx i mean except them admitting a mistake, yes

lmao @russia

Yeah,anyone who browsed their forjms can attest this won't work

@@naamadossantossilva4736 ikr, they havent ever cared and probably never will, screaming at them is really the only thing the community can do to change things, i mean look at the parts and fpe bullshit, that was only ever changed because we screamed loud and long enough and look what happened, the top tier grind is.......tolerable

Thinking they'll learn at this point is just naive. It's been apparent they give no fucks for anything other than money ever since XYZ-70 followed by XM-1 followed by Russia domination followed by fucking helicopters followed by 2A6 followed by this shit. They're dropping shit on top of the shit pile without fixing anything they fuck up in the process and even ruining BRs that used to be fun adding various retarded ferrari vehicles with HEATFS. It's been like this for years now and it's not getting better.

@@null643 This comment thread and attendant replies have been repeated so often I'm tempted to call it the 5 stages of Gaijin

Yea it’s never gonna happen, spookston is trying to be nice but we all know that any fix that makes the cuts gajins profits will never happen. Parts, fpe, nvm, repair costs, crew training, camouflage etc it will never be fixed cuz that’s how they make money. It’s sad and ironic how the former communists became the greedy capitalists.

Indeed i actually prefer the 1A5 over thr C2A1 since its more mobile and the armor of the C2A1 is bassicly usless aigainst apfsds wich youll face 90% of the time

@@pzkwmaus9050 Thats what I'm talkin about. I see the C2A1, as say, "oh fuck" but then my APFSDS or HEAT-FS just eats it when I fire out of fear

@@BariBro yea

@@BariBro As a Canadian, I play it for the cool factor and not it’s usefulness, other Canadian leopard 1s or the 2A4M CAN and 2A6M CAN would be more useful (if not op due to cage armour on the latter 2.)

Not still, look at the Chinese LVT, it is in the USA Tech Tree, but also in the Chinese one. Also the Strv 81 that is in the British and Swedish Tree.

Who tf wants another copy paste tech tree

God, I really do hope they give people what we want and just make the damned Polish tree already lol

@@jacobnosarzewski it isnt,u rly forgot about 25tp,7tp,60tp,did you?

@@jacobnosarzewski There is a lot of Own vehicles and Prototypes, just like the Italians.

rip polish tech tree, they ain't going to add it

@@rozczarowanie3186 who asked for the pole tech tree?

@@osvaldoromeros.7115 a few people but yeah

@@osvaldoromeros.7115 Poles, probably :(

@@rozczarowanie3186 I think that adding polish tree could be a mistake, we have too little tank projects. After WWII there were no original tanks constructed by polish industry, only buiild via license T-72 and modification of T-72 PT-91. So it would be full of prototypes and tanks like polish t-34 which I think we dont need (maybe as premium). I am however fan of "european tree" with tanks of all Europes smaller nations like Hungary, Romania, Poland etc.

NEXT UP: Everything is a bad idea

Spookston 1 month later: Leopard 3 is a bad idea

Actually I like the idea of adding the T-14 Armata. You’re almost guaranteed not to get 1-shotted, but once that ERA is gone you’re pretty much dead. (T-14 armor is almost entirely made up of ERA)

An eastern European tech tree would be better

@@spartanx9293 It would not be better in my opinion BUT still it would be better that random vehicles in random tech trees. We have Polish tank and ship in Britain and now Polish tank in Germany. FFS.

@@InVersoFFVII a polish tech tree would be nice up until 3.7 then mostly russian tanks and at the very top tier it would be upgraded russian tanks,essentially T-72 upgrades and this thing,the leopard 2pl,mabye another leopard but thats it.

@@shimonzozut7617 no, that's NOT it. When it comes to MBTs, yes, but not when it comes to light support vehicles - Rosomak, Anders, Wilk, BWP-2000, Rak, Krab, Borsuk and others I don't remember names of. War Thunder is not only about MBTs for God's sake!!

Then why play

@@robertm3329 Every time someone asks that cocky question, the answer is the same.... there is nothing else that can compete with WT. Gaijin is well aware of that such as you probably are.

Yea, that's a solid point

...yeah, thats kinda why i stopped playing my tigers, half my fucking team will evaporate and then its like the battle of the bulge all over again

Out of curiosity, isn't the tiger ment to be used as a up gunned and armored Panzer 4F2, only ment for sniping while angling your armor?

The thing about the Tiger is it take more skill then other heavy tanks, looking at the jumbo for example to play it you press w and left click. But when playing the Tiger you actually have to think about what you are doing, are you angling enough? Maybe to much? Oh wait you are in an uptier it doesn't matter.

@@chitaumoua2396 Not really. Watch The Chieftain's Hatch video for a good explanation of what it's role was.

@@TheCanadianSry Agreed, the Tiger 1 needs a bit of experience with armour in order to maximize it’s potential. When I played through the US it was just easy mode with the Jumbo, watching every shell just dink off the armour as they panick.

Yup they can add Canadian Leopard 2A4M and Leopard 2A6 Mexas at the end of tech tree. Seem so cool to have few Canadian modification tanks there.

Oh and make the grind line even longer? No thank you. I really wish they could not force us to research every single tank in existence to reach top tier. They should treat them like versions of the same tanks. Optional for research.

Yea but the snail wants more money I doubt that’ll change

I hope they do that

Agreed

They are better tho, especially as low tier animal for rookies.

Pl-01 as well😂

@@maxberlinski2214 that's just cardboard

It looks like it's got brain damage

Good idea, but, they want their money so yeah...

At least with the TURMS you got a talisman that will grind all tiers and the SL boost. But yeah it’s going to fuck up german top tier.

the 2PL can be easily bought by F2P players when they're at 5.0 or something though. i was at germany 3.0 when i researched the Me 262a-1a/U1, but i don't have enough SL yet.

@@cWvp80GEDg I got top teir in a month by focusing on one nation and playing rb mind you that’s only 2-4 hours a day.

@@cWvp80GEDg it all takes about a month anyway. Just gotta focus on it.

@@cWvp80GEDg umm it does actually. Just focus one one tree get some premium time (it’s cheap to) and you will. I did the entire Japanese tank line in a Month and did the Russians in about 45 days and the Germans in 40. I’m currently working on America.

There's a lot of things in games to complain about. Minecraft lacking multiplayer support after so long still, along with a hyperdelayed update. Warframe ingame economy, just recent dealing with Tencent, removal of late game content just because there's less players because they never update it. League of Legends pumping out skins, while creating subpar classless characters. Dota 2 matchmaking. I can keep going, they may be personal arguments, but god damn does Gaijin take the cake after the recent updates and appalling "balance" changes.

Wait till you hear about WarGaming, I think both of these companies are hated equally.

i wonder when war thunder will be more hated by its community than LoL by its

@@hubertczyzewski5647 I don't even know how many thousands of hours I dumped into that game, but I don't regret ever leaving it. Problem is now I replaced it with this mess.

@@ChimpOnComputer minecraft got multiplayer support in like 2010

Germany Suffers. ;)

Things will be even worse when Germany gets a Mig-21Bis, Mig-23MLD, F-4F/ICE, Panavia Tornado, etc

Yes I can’t wait for a decent top tier cas for Germany :D

8MBTS that can fire top-tier round + 3 capable CAS supersonic jet + Best AA in the game + 2 ATGM tank with 1200mm of pen + 3best and cancer helicopter in the game + cheap ass repair cost "German TOO OP" well..... yeah

Bruh, germany has 1 very exceptional heli, the rest is borderline irrelevant (the russians have pretty much equally good helis at top tier) and you gotta be insane to think that the MAN truck with missiles is better than a Tunguska or ADATS.

Or the vets will have another 2A4/5 for stupidly cheap repair to throw out first and not worry about repair costs. Because of it's relatively poor armor, it'll be the German's XM-1 or Abrams. Something to keep to the outside of battle and flank to an outer sniping position where your goal is to not get hit at all.

Gaijin: *Slaps WT* "This bad boy can give us so much more green, let´s do it again!"

Yeah, but Poland

Yeah, but Poland

I also really hope I'm not right about where they put the Thumper and the 60-2000.

@@jessegd6306 yeah I agree Gaijin does need to look at it, but tbh I’m excited for this tank because of the history and it looks pretty cool, also gives me a reason to grind out Germany once I finish Sweden

I may be be late but I'm lvl 50 and got my pl I may die 1 time but atleast i take 2 or 5 down with me

Except that Rad90 will not be that useful at 10.7 and you don’t really need 2 anti air, and depending your br during the time you take to be at 10.7 the meta will shift once again

Yeah, Radkampfwagen is only OK at 10.7, I did ok with it but you basically need to flank - your gun rotates too slow to take head on engagements, and you have no zoom or thermal for long range engagements. The first Roland is absolutely useless at top tier, it can really only fight helicopters and it is not so great at it anyway.

Woah, you sound like a noob that just discovered the game 2 days ago. Get lost kid.

@@cptjohnbhewler1529 Nobody asked for your useless opinion. Go back to Fortnite kiddo

Most people don't uninstall only because they have spend money in the game.

@@sturmovak4954 true

@@sturmovak4954 I did but it was like 50$ not much lol

I just play other games when I get pissed at it. Typically for me with PvP hyperfocused games, I'm trash so who would've thought I ended up being a warframe veteran. I love tanks and I've been making and collecting models, and I'll be damned if I return to HP based world of tanks.

@@sturmovak4954 i havent spent a penny and after 6 years im at 7.3!

Ngl the base game crew voices can do with a makover

Bro its gaijin. They don't care

wait so poland is changing their main MBT from Twardy to Leo2PL?

@@shimonzozut7617 I don't know, you'd have to look into that yourself

The 2pl is simular to the leopard 2 evolution and that tank is in use for several years

@@shimonzozut7617 2PL is a bridge solution until Poland develops it's own tank or buys new ones. There are some options taken into consideration when it comes to "Wolf" program - buying new Leopards from Germany, Abrams from USA, EMBT program, cooperating with South Korea or making the new tank alone from the scratch. Search up for "K2PL Wilk" to see what the offer of South Korea looks like.

dude, the other day i saw a men level 7 with a xm-1 and stuart in his line up, it feels very bad all this shit

But you know, this leo isn't premium?

@@polskikaktus5255 And? You can buy it for real money without having to research any vechicles before it. It's practically a premium without premium bonuses

Lol

Or all the loosers that think leopard 2 op...

@@23GreyFox here’s one now!

@@stevebutters306 like all the whining when m1a2 wasn't the best anymore.

I agree with you. But let's be honest the game was never really complete at any stage.

Very true its about the money for them they honest couldnt careless about anything else

Yep. Usally little kids barely the age you need to be to play wt (probaly gonna ignore the age part) watched a movie like fury or a documentary that stained as the tiger 1h as an unstoppable killing machine. Bcs of that they often go to choose Germany and try to rush to the tiger. I ones saw a level 11 person drive a tiger 2 p and he asked how can i get free GE that says something. He probaly bought this way up bcs usally you arent level 11 when reseaching a 6.3 tank

Definitely not the most OP, that goes to Sweden, USSR, and maybe China

Just shows how NATO tanks are 10000 times better than soviet bullshit and the gay snail can't stand that because T14 is nothing.

Salty :P

Those are rookie numbers I say 2a10 (with gau-30 as main gun)

My leo 1 really suffers bruh Yeah sure.

Huh? Sorry for the date. I have 16gb too, but never experienced anything like that. Maybe your memory paging file for WT is too small? Or maybe you have too many apps running at the same time? Have you checked with task manager how your RAM is doing?

T-90U does not exist

@@stilpa1 The current T90 model then

top tier kinda fast paced on small map, without muscle memory built up, you arent gonna do shit when there's gocart drifting to hit your ass

In top tier you have to one have fast reflex cus tank's are really fast know that your Armor dosnt mean anything cas is a cancer and you need to know the Map like your hand

@@misschauffarde5112 that’s not exclusive to top tier, and I’m not sure where you’re playing that armor matters much at all in low tier, in top tier it doesn’t matter at all seemingly But things like map knowledge? Reflexes? These aren’t even game exclusive

@@looinrims If you're a noob that doesn't have top tier, which it sounds like you don't. Than don't try and talk back to top tier players like you know something. You clown. Everything they said was facts. You can't compare top tier and low tier.

@@cptjohnbhewler1529 let’s break this down First my whole thing was “what is the difference?” I keep asking because no one wants to tell me I finally get two answers that amount to nothing out of basic game knowledge, not war Thunder knowledge, game knowledge, like reflexes and map knowledge Also you can’t say armor is meaningless when one that’s the case for most of low tiers (unless you’re fighting a KV1S or whatever) but two and more contradictory is the statement that “x has y weak spots” what’s the point of weak spots if everything one shots? So someone’s wrong about something I’m not saying I am top cock of top pay 2 progress in cash thunder, I’m just reaffirming/revealing that no one can at the very least articulate the differences

Leopard 2A6, Strv 122 PLSS: of course. Now silent, peasant.

Lol. I ones saw a level 11 driving a tiger 2 p. I completed rank 5 now going to rank 6 but i prefer not to buy premiums that are just straitup a top tier vehicle bcs you basicly ruin the game for your self