This is because Nasuverse mages practices so much beyond immorality that by achieving immortality. They became nothing more than tools for their selfish will. This only happens to mages when going beyond reason and selfishness. Zelretch though is in fact a mage beside as a Magician. He is immortal either by other means from Fate or as a Dead Apostle Ancestor in Tsukihime that didn't became insane due that he kept his morality at ground level.
@@johnnywantyoudead5113 Did I say he is immortal by other means in Fate? He's only a Dead Apostle Ancestor in Tsukihime world. But in Fate world , he became immortal by other means.
Great lesson. So that's how class cards work, I get that it's more convenient and you don't get any sass from your servant but wouldn't you still be better off with a summoned servant that's at full power. Plus you can't catch your class card coming from a bath
Highly situational, in most cases summoning a Servant would be better. Ideally a Mage would want to combine their abilities and the Servants. Such as Angelica using Dispacement to connect spaces that accelerates the speed of Gate of Babylon. If used on a Noble Phantasm like Gae Bolg which power is determined by the speed of it’s thrust, you could surpass a Servant’s power.
Really hope someday the general fate fanbase stop thinking RU-vidr who say kalied is a fan service anime can learn to read the actual source. It's darker than hf as we have seen the major cast actually die and illya showing why she is incredible constantly. The magic this family has is very insane. Able to take the dead put them in dolls and then use thier magic on top of class card equip which is basically touko but better as they can mass produce them. Also evil issie but better written as well with a lot of development in trying to save his sister being a good mirror to shirou and miyu. Hope the current fight with berserka with shirou ends with taking her out as she's already gone and Rin gets a scene of saying goodbye too. She disappeared so we could see her planing something like miyu verse shirou with weapons to fight.
That was an interesting lesson,it makes me remember how many mages in order to achieve a grand goal they end going into a path of no return that in the end,it's going to twist their selfless goals for a selfish and even destructive one.
@@otakudaikun Don't the Nanaya's have at least a form of them? i'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the side story in Kagetsu Tohya that's about Shiki's father just before he was adopted by the Tohno's no idea who else has them
The vid was great can't wait to see the next one, if possible could you talk about dragons and their variants as well as why they play such a big part in the nasuverse?
Not what I was expecting in covering the class cards, but still very informative. See, in a D&D-like setting I've been tampering with, I was working with a world post 5th holy grail war in Staynight where Darius has been gradually developing the class card system based on what he has seen in all five previous Grail Wars. I didn't know the foundation of Class Cards was an unopened Pandora's Box to begin with! That alone has been an enlightening experience. Now I'm wondering if I could implement Class Cards without a full Pandora's Box... I love how you can use them, but as Shirou displayed, the more compatible you are with a heroic spirit in said card, the better you're off. Look at me, making me doubt my ambition for a Class Card Holy Grail War where most worlds have Pandora's Box opened...
I'm still hoping Kerry and irisviel jump into action as thier actions are the reason illya got to live a normal life and coming back to help would be great. I mean origin bullet was already used and was able to one shot Darius if he didn't go full destroy mode. That and illya gets a happy ending as she basically saw everyone else get one together aside the ones who already died and she's putting herself in a emiya situation as they are truly siblings that way. Also read the manga or at least the side chapters people. Shirou in illya verse is almost as cool as miyu verse shirou and it explains why Rin left to clocktower early and gives them both a lot of screentime together like ubw
@this city is really looks like a city illya survived fsn for a year before passing away due to how ashe destroyed her body. Capsule she is fine there but that's a semi parody as baby carren exists in fgo. Yeah a illya route would have been amazing as she was more popular than Sakura and even now can win more votes in certain polls. Wish they did a manga thing where it was all a new route for illya and see how it would go but nasu and co see kalied as her route so that's probably not gonna happen Also kalied is basically like an offshoot of zero where they ran away from the war with baby illya as the timeline warped making illya younger
@this city is really looks like a city they didn't erase the memories and again I just said illya was a baby they didn't start the experiments on her until after Kerry lost. They think they stopped the Grail but actually sealed them away aka the personality of chloe and the Grail within the second one illya who formed after They did run. Irisviel said so herself after Chloe wanted to go back to the einzberg but they were wiped out due to their last chances at the Grail running away. Then both her and Kerry went around to keep the grail war from happening again which was honestly a waste of time kinda as without the einzberg core no grail could actually work and the system would be flawed like in apoc where one of the sleeping masters was in a war but nothing happened Didn't say she got a good ending just said she survived which is what I was saying. Illya is the most tragic character in fate as her life was destroyed and lied to by asche about Kerry abandoning her same with the Grail using irisviel in ubw. Ha then has her say goodbye to shirou as she actually has a brain like Rin Medea emiya and Gilgamesh to figure out that world was fake
@this city is really looks like a city again. Sealing and erasing are very different. Chloe and her mind are still around due to being like in a box sealed away that exists but isn't opened to allow illya to form a new mind again from baby to now. Shirou had his memories destroyed due to emiya arm but coming back he won't remember it because they were erased while Chloe instead knows what happened to her and even illya knows due to the shared dream. Emiya and shirou too with nameless and demiya where each have different ways of it happening like fan shirou just losing them naturally. Emiya same way. Nameless asking for them to be erased and demiya having his mind destroyed due to the pain he had. Those are not the same. It sounds the same but it's not. Illya never had her memory erased due to never having been the original illya as Chloe was. The crisis was more so being the odd one out as well as no purpose due to her grail mission being stopped long before Illya being generally liked more than others is enough to show she deserves more but Side stories are enough to show she can stand on her own too. Emiya San would probably be the closest thing to a happy end she gets as that world the war just doesn't happen.
@this city is really looks like a city that's fine to be wrong. Go to any file. Erase it completely and think that's how Chloe worked. It's more so Chloe being a sub file within illya. But that's fine being wrong
@this city is really looks like a city and i said mutiple times how wrong that was. I just wanted to clear it up as a word can make all the difference and the fgo community are ones who really have trouble with that not you just in general when something gets repeated enough
Last time I was so early only displacing time would allow for comment to be posted faster. Last time I was so early swapping aspects of the Saint Graph of a Servant was something covertet by FGO players to switch out what they summon.
How has Emiya yet not evovle to a Grand servant yet in the counterforce? There so many version of being broken than the next (don't get me started with the one who studied in the wandering sea and moon grail war)
9:17 basically being a hypocrite to his best friend before oh he’s fine sacrificing another person sister but not his own tho I get it because yeah we rather want to save our family not another ones family we humans aren’t as noble must of the time
Wouldn't be something if these class cards appeared in Fate/Grand Order in some fashion. On another note, I saw videos on the these concepts from Tsiah IV. You two need to do a Collab video
❤ hey this was a really cool video that made it easier to figure out what the heck they were doing, but I do have a question for you will you be steaming the imaginary scramble event
the class cards make me wonder what fate route shiro who is properly trained and had access to a class cards would be like. although I do know he would different than OUS shiro if he had the archer class card.
I've been curious about the "Scripture" Weapons. Hanako, Gamaliel. Are there more? Do they have more to them, or are they just conceptual weapons of Purity and the "Immovable Object" idea?
Damn! Thank you for this useful information... Fate Kaleid is really hated for its lolis but the plotline literally is being slept on.. plus love your calm voice which creates a lot of curiosity in viewers!!
I think it would be interesting for a character in The nasuverse to be powerful without using magic and instead using technology powerful enough to keep them on even footing with a mage. and I think it would be even cooler if this technology was based off of theoretical technology from The real world.
I think it's most likely that in the future of the nasuverse technology will become more powerful than magecraft simply because it's much easier for a family to die then the knowledge of humanity's technology being wiped out everyday a new person is born and every new person is a potential scientist or someone important enough to make a scientific discovery and every day mage families are running the risk of dying even if it's a low chance and if a mage family dies an entire form of magecraft can be lost forever.
Hmm... A planet terminal sounds like how true ancestors are avatars of the earth. The Sakatsuki family's powers seem to be a product of mystery. Since they worship children, their children gain power from that worship.
Hey, this is long as heck, please don't extend this unless you feel like reading a whole ass thesis' worth of theory and headcanon. to quote a guy who might as well be a class card library at times, that's hell you're walking into. This is really cool, and it's neat seeing the more esoteric applications of flash air being discussed, I didn't even know that they could pull off FMA style alchemy, although I do wonder why you didn't include how displacement was taken to such levels. Maybe it would have extended the lesson too much, especially as we never seen the original version used by the ainsworths themselves, or maybe you couldn't find much non contradictory information. So if it isn't too presumptuous, I'm going to discuss my knowledge, and hypotheses for what isn't known, below. Displacement absolutely has its roots (heh) in alchemy, but from what I've seen and read it started as a way to transfer regents between containers for reactions without exposing them to possible contaminants like the air. It is in fact, similar to projection in regards to how people view it as well as their potential. It's a skill that all second era alchemists that work with the physical know, but dismiss as flash air frequently has flaws, leaving pieces of things it is used on behind. It's useful, sure, but no-one would look at it and decide to explore it to the spell's absolute limit. None that is, until Darius. He likely looked at every avenue to go down, to try and save humanity, and eventually went with Displacement. Reinforcement would take far too long to achieve its Almighty form as I call it, Alteration didn't have the less esoteric functions to start from and so it would likely feel like working in reverse, taking Projection to its pinnacle would also both be far too time intensive and he likely even wouldn't be able to help the degradation in the meantime, and everything else was just too niche or esoteric. And then he came across alchemy. I imagine he would have already had forays into the art, efforts to analyze what was going on, when he met Pandora. Her soul was in the box, free from degradation, and that was what sparked his greater interest. His work didn't need to be as much of a time game, after all, when he had all the time in the second era to complete it. Displacement started off with the simple flawed transferral of regents, likely with a flash of light to garner it's name. From that Darius started refining it. My hypothesis as for how is that he first learned how to make the spell gradual, and from there manifest stable portals. Whether they were a part of the original, and them blipping in and out of existence was the reason for the light doesn't matter, the point is that he knew how to make portals and he knew how to shift matter without them. This provides the basis for most of his other techniques. At this point, he'd have likely started practicing with concepts, making sure he'd be ready to move his own soul. So aspects of Reinforcement, Alteration and Projection would be added, so that he could do things like turn his skin to stone and retain flexibility, or generate mass without it being rejected by displacing his injuries onto something else. Then he'd start messing with dolls. Alchemy has two types of automaton, dolls and homunculi. While homunculi are capable of growing beyond their parameters and generating more than enough magical energy to sustain a soul, dolls have easier maintenance costs and don't risk some sort of rejection from the body, should he need to use one as a last resort. So he began working on dolls, making them as efficient as possible, and then placing human souls inside. Observing the personality flaws that emerged, and documenting them for refinement. Finally, he attempted a similar procedure on himself, setting up a connection to his blood so that whenever the world lacked an instance of the soul of Darius, an updated copy would be projected into his descendant to gradually take over. The flaw of this is that while the original soul doesn't degrade, the quality of the outside copy does with every new instance. It honestly speaks to his skill, as a sort of alchemist Emiya, that the degradation between individual versions is minimal enough that it took a thousand years to go full looney tune. The class cards and the other spells crafted are more difficult as they involve Pandora's box, which at the very least I don't fully understand, but the physics behind those unique mystic codes and Darius' legend tablets are fairly easy to explain. The class cards behave like conceptual weapons, specifically similar to Avalon. They take on a form of pure energy which you contain to use its effect. As a side note, I've noticed three main types of conceptual weapon, ones like Avalon, energy constructs like rho aias and infused objects like origin bullets. The legend tablets, meanwhile, seem to be one collosal displacement spell, or the preparation for it at any rate, acting as a foundation on the level of a reality marble. By reinforcing his existence that much it would be theoretically possible to fight off the counter force's influence long enough to, for lack of a better analogy, shove the course of his home world from one train track to another without getting run over by the train. Whether he'd survive the paradox from rewriting history, including some Strong concepts, is another matter entirely.
I’d say this family is the alternate universe but that Miyu’s original family see they too have the power of the grail if anything they reminds me of the Matou family for how far they need to go and there previously family members basically extended there life span by going in other family members body like Julian for example
Its not a grail. It's wishing the story shows the difference between both as miyu wishes to be shirous sister and gets his eyes while the cards take time to make it happen and can't work as well with a contradiction in shirou wishing for miyu to be happy in a dying world so she was sent to the illya verse as the wish was unable to happen in the miyu verse. I'd read again
As Gil says “she wasn’t created for the Grail, the Grail was created for her.” Child of God is less of a Grail and more of a Divine being with an Authority. Iris vile and Ilya are Lesser Grails which are components of a ritual that gives a big chunk of Mana. Miyu’s Authority is actual wish granting that can warp reality.
I think technology and magecraft are like polar opposites magecraft is mostly genetic whereas technology can basically be used by anyone. Modern magecraft is a weaker form of true magic and modern technology is a stronger form to most ancient technology. And the biggest parallel of them all is the fact that technology is progressing and magecraft is desperately trying to gain power back from its prime everyday more and more knowledge is gathered making technology stronger whereas most of the most powerful mage families are trying to rediscover true magic.
I'm curious about something, if Flash Air magecraft is derived from Alchemy, does that mean the Material Transmutation magic spells are also derived from Alchemy? If that's the case, does that mean Shirou should be capable of performing Alchemy?
I don't understand just one thing, why don't they just use blood samples from soldiers, scientists and competent workers as the templates for their homunculus, that is how most alchemists would do it, mix them up, then you just copy-paste a literal superhuman army, that can work outside of wars just fine with no problem what so ever, all you have to do is work out the mana consumption output, life span & iron out any other issues that might pop up then it's all good, They could make fortune out of it,
@@otakudaikun That shit can set them back to the dark ages, there is no actual way to generate top tier magical circuits with next generation of mages and relying on selected breeding is obsolete as you damage the gene pool or trying to infuse a child with enough magical power by force via repeated transfers or parasites,......unless you're crazy enough to try and tap the major geo web ley line in the hopes of of granting him True Magic,
I think this video just spoilt me the movie Nameless Girl and the rest of the story of Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya (I'm following the anime, not reading the manga)
I suggest reading the manga as the movies are basically Camelot movie but actually good where it's a disjointed story aside oath which was more a streamlined one The next movie will probably confuse you as things will change suddenly.
Been so long since I've seen it I'm not sure if its ever answered in show (and forgive me if I missed it in here), but wondering why Darius didn't just design and inhabit dolls instead of his decendants. If he's avoided major degredation by primarily staying bound to Pandora's box, and there doesn't seem to be a focus on a magic crest I'd think constantly upgrading a designer body would be more beneficial.
Is that Shiro the servant variant we are getting in FGO? Wait what came first when it came to the cards the fgo cards or the ains cards. Aslo dang. I see a card fate gscha game in this or something like this.
I prefer summoning my own heroic spirit than borrowing their power from some class cards. Heroic spirits are heroes that had achieved great achievements during their lifetime; so creating class cards that suppressed their will is something I think it's very disrespect to the heroic spirits that had achieved great achievements during their lifetime.
