Zouken's Worm Magecraft Is VILE And Disgusting 

Zouken saw the tentacle art from hokusai and went "I can make a better sequel"

You two guys are Madlads, well not as much as Zouken, but somewhere down there

And her brother Don't forget the bastard known as shinji

Zouken did nothing wrong

@@Todd-Alquistindeed , and also griffith

hes on par with griffith imo

@@NahIdSword im gonna touch you

In the most disgusting and disturbing way as possible.

Why anyone sympathy for him

@@zacharyrodriguez4348i mean at the time he was young, he wasn’t even that bad yet. Niggas should have said ‘Bro are you okay?’ Maybe, JUST MAYBE he would be…not this atleast…

@@ttay23slayer It''s always the criminals we punish, but never the people/injustice that made them criminals 😭😭😭 The world is rosy and hypocritical, so I pray 🙏

Poor Makiri Zouken 😭 Bad Matou Zouken 😡 Fun fact: Mato means "worm" in finnish language.

@@zapan9643 I learned a new fact AND the existence of a language called Finnish, Fate do be a history class I swear😭

She practically vore them with her mud, is it really better ?

@@ousou78 it is, but its more like less bad than calling it better

​@@ousou78 well, unbirthing fetish is s thing. Especially when it comes to Kiara's np

I dunno, being twisted into a Lahmu or or vicious lionlike urgallu doesn't sound that great either. Do you want a bunch of maggots or do you want complete body horror transformation? Nah bruh

​@@ousou78it's a lesser evil

This. Unless you read the original VN, you don't really appreciate just how bad Zouken *actually* is.

Things do get better for Sakura at least somewhat in the other routes. In Stay Night Shinji is dead and in UBW he changes from the trauma of what happened to him so he stops being cruel to Sakura. Rin and Sakura do eventually reconnect in UBW before Rin and Shirou go to the Clock Tower. Also in every route Rin and Waver come and eventually dismantle the grail system so Zouken’s plans for the grail go up in smoke.

@@777MangaKing7771 It's a mistake to say Sakura actually "heals" in the other two routes though. HF is explicitly the only route where she and Shirou confront their traumas and internal feelings. Sakura is just going to go back to being dead inside in Fate and UBW she's going to be dealing with the fact that her sister cucked her and Shirou completely left Fuyuki.

​@@777MangaKing7771 The sad thing is even if Shirou didn't intervene her life would (probably) get better. Not saying her route wasn't good though I just feel like her mental state is probably worse off even with Shirou

@@777MangaKing7771 didn gil kill zouken in ubw?

I thought by WoG Zouken is still taken out of the picture in the other routes? Like when I watched UBW there was a scene with Gilgamesh and Shinji in Zouken’s wormpit, and it was empty, and Gilgamesh crushed a worm beneath his foot. I thought that implied Gilgamesh vaped Zouken out of existence?

Oh my god, I thought, i was the only one to Remembered THAT Scene with the Innocent Woman ♀️ 🪱

​@@bimoprasetyo6862 You know, I might regret this, but... elaborate?

@@ramdelta7816 In Fate Stay/Night Visual Novel, One of Heaven's Feel "Interlude" Shows a Woman Going Home Late at Night after her friends drop her off from a party, It's just so happened She was walking Through a Quiet Alleyway where No one alive seems to be There But Her, Noticing this She Start walking faster then immediately sprinting, After that Terrible experience She Nervously Laughed out of Fear and Relief, Suddenly a Sharp Pain Felt From one of her Eye, She Stumbled back from Shock then Another Pain felt from her leg, She fell down to the Grown only to be Met with a Swarm more Horrible Pain All over her Body, Her Screaming are Barely Heard Through The Horrid Noise of the Swarm , To the outside View Its looks like A Sponge been Covered By Maggots that's Eating it From the inside Out, The Only thing the Woman can conscious about through the Terrible Existence is When Will it all End. Arise from the Horrid Swarm An Rotten, Aging, Disgusting And Familiar Person have appears, Zouken Matou

It was water magic

@@daiblo.dshadow ooo that makes since they feast on the water when they aren't in a host that makes sence

​@@Nekogami04 Zsa's111ZSA'SZsa's1Zsa's1

​@@Nekogami04 Zsa's111ZSA'SZsa's1Zsa's1

More likely they’d full on endorse Zouken and who knows maybe make him a honorary Dead Apostle lol.

If you don't mind me speculating, here's my current assumption for inspiration of Zouken's magecraft. 1) At first there was H. P. Lovecraft's story "The Festival" (written in 1923, first published in 1925), which featured wizards that were implied to have continued to exist after death through worms that devoured their corpses. 2) In 1982, a campaign for "Call of Cthulhu" RPG, called "Shadows of Yog-Sothoth", came out and featured the Crawling One, which is the aforementioned idea from "The Festival", only explicit. 2.1) There was also a creature called "Worm that Walks", which was a telepathic, shape-shifting, magic-draining, blood-lusting creature. 3) In either 2001 or 2002 (I'm finding conflicting statements), "Epic Level Handbook" for "Dungeons & Dragons" comes out and features what is essentially Crawling One, but it is called 'Worm that Walks'. 4) In 2004 "Fate/stay night" comes out. Zouken's shtick is likely inspired by Crawling One from CoC. Less likely, it's inspired by D&D's Worm that Walks (I'm not sure when "Epic Level Handbook" came out in Japan).

Technically, he'd be considered a DA as well, since his lifespan is passed its limit and he feast on human flesh.

@@5L1G_Zeref Yeah, that's why I said "technically" since he's not under Crimson Moon's curse.

Reageding gems, I think they are materials that are compatible with certain types of magecraft and work as enhancers to boost certain spells. I also read somewhere that magic users will dedicate certain things to help with ceremonies and what not.

Atalanta would be on demon time the moment she even caught whiff of Sakura's situation.

@@zanemiracle6121 especially Boudica

Atalanta gonna go crazy

@@zanemiracle6121 raikou will kill zoken lmao

@@brian_Austin27 Hell the even lawfully evil heroic spirit Semiramis would be disgusted and appalled with someone like Zouken And she is literally known for literally assassinating her husband with poison

I mean he didn't stop doing his job just because he found out he had a weird fetish plusZoukin is basically a lich and thats always a no go

Kidnaps children and seals them in a basement to use as mana batteries despite not even needing it... Manipulated Sakura and Shirou and Rin to facuilitate Sakura's transformation... like... He is evil, not an antihero.

Kirei is evil, a massive sadist and a pure monster, there's no denying that. It just happens that Zouken is like far worse.

I mean he was taught magic is the only thing that matters so no matter what talents he has they would always be less important than the ability to continue the family Crest

Thats probably exactly what the corrupted grail would do to shinji if he somehow got his wish "oh you wanna learn magecraft? Aight, heres the circuits, heres the worms. Say hi to your uncle kariya for me."

@@readthiscomment6748 In all honesty, Angra would do this just because Shinji is human. That thing just wants us to die by this point anyway.

Shinji is complaining because he was born in a family of magus and in that world, they're all obsessed with magical accomplishments. The irony is that Shinji is talen ted in many ordinary fields, he's a very good student with very good grades notably, and he seems pretty successful with girls. But none of that matters in the world of magus, either you have a talent for magecraft or you don't and you're useless garbage. Add that with the fact that Zouken is an abusive jerk who probably tormented him with his failures for the hell of it and you can see why he's so desperate.

I mean unless you have a van filled with said chemicals and a way to shoot them at him with him unable to dodge or use a bounded field you ain't winning

@@jakariashafin1695 I have a pressure washer, flash bangs, and an ace hardware next door. Trust me when I say, none of those things you mentioned will be much difficulty. And if they are, I have my own bound field. It's those tiki torches that repel bugs.

@@misein2466 neat I guess man kinda underestimated you there

@@jakariashafin1695 Never underestimate a Texan without a budget.

@@misein2466 true

From what I've seen some dislike Sakura because her character doesn't stand out too much and I partially agree because HF is where she shines whilst she's an after thought in the other two routes. Some, I think dislike Sakura because of the shadow and they belief in the hero mindset of kill all enemies to save innocents. Sadly, in their quest for justice they forget that Sakura too was a victim and the extremists treat her like she's a devil when she isn't. Then there are others who just hate her for the sake of hating her.

@@thirdplanet4471 Some people are brainless and think that she did all of this somehow and that she deserves death. It's a really sad thing because people dislike her for something that isn't even her fault to begin with. Every fandom is like this for some reason. Some humans really just don't think with their brains instead of their eyes.

I dont hate every version of her, but they make me uncomfortable because I remember the Femme Fatale ending. I fucking despise FF Sakura, and no you cannot bullshit me with "oh but she is a woobie victim herself" sorry but being a victim of serial rape doesnt give you an excuse to become a serial rapist yourself and revel in the pleasure of torturing your sister.

The only people I saw who dislike Sakura recently are shippers

Bluebeard is *nice* compared to Zouken.

He's literally the definition of eldritch abomination and he's very disturbing that it sends chills down your spine.

No the story wouldn’t be as good without all this vile dark elements strengthening the foil of horror for the characters.

Nuclear bomb attack. Destroying both the worms and anyone they posess for pure realistic efficiency.

@@readthiscomment6748 finish it with Enuma Elish just to be sure

@@mr.raphael1507 A hakai or infinity gauntlet snap would be even more efficient if you wanna start crossing universes but thats probably cheating.

Bind his soul to his worms, then destroy his very existence to the point where there is nothing left to transfer.

So, the From Fate Dreams by Third Fang method.@@jorienwachukwu466

It’s a perception thing

@@JoshuaValentine Yeah i think that has something to it, from what i have heard the whole innocents stolen thing also makes some people dislike her and how she was way more forward than the others.

A tragic backstory doesn't make a character good or enjoyable, 2023 and people still act surprised when sakura isn't liked.

​@@somerinsimp4327 username checks out

I mean, don’t get me wrong, Sakura deserves the world after the vile shit she went through, but that doesn’t mean she should be liked simply out of pity. It’s all about taste, and Rin’s character is simply a more widely appealing personality compared to the more timid Sakura. Well, that and maybe the SA/“not innocent” thing is a turnoff for some…

This is why I disgrace about male writers how they write stories like.

​@@WinterFlowerSakura - 🤓

@@brunooliveira-jx5uc as long I see some good male writers understanding their work and not making things in the story go way over board with Nasu he had good story writing way back like on his first story of Witch on the Holy Night sometimes he retcons his work by twisting things around that would go in a bad direction of the story. And not giving characters good character traits. And also what he gave Black Len in Kagetsu Tohya a h scene which was a bad move for Nasu to write for Len and Takeuchi should stop him and not give a picture of cgi of Len doing to Shiki.

@@WinterFlowerSakura too long didn't read

Part of it was to be edgy, part of it was because of what FSN originally was. A lot of people don't realize/are too young to know that the original release of FSN was basically a compromise where a bunch of porn elements got included into the story he wanted to write because that was the only way he could get published back then. You bet your ass that most of the more... um... revolting aspects of Zouken come from the game being originally an eroge.

It really doesn't matter you could watch Zero first and then UBW and then the Heaven's Feel trilogy. If anyone says this is the wrong order ignore them because it don't matter. It will always be a never ending debate if you listen to anyone else. Then after these 3 you can watch anything of Fate. As long as you enjoy it, it doesn't matter.

@@negate4828 yeah there's just so much media. I'd rather watch it in somewhat chronological order

​@@From_A_Diverging_Timelineread the vn, then hollow ataraxia, then whatever you want.

I hear the wiki tends to mix canon with canon

Wiki might not be a reliable source, some of the information are fanon

Got traded for a number one draft pick

So in his covering of Type-Moon origin, we are informed that Nasu added sex to the story so that his work could sell At the time Fate/ was only the 3rd thing by Type-Moon for sell So you simply have to come to terms with the fact that the worms were in fact initially sexualised to make a point that this option love interest (Sakura) was a perpetual victim of domestic sexual assault Edit: On top of the incest On top of the fact Matou was a worm living inside her

Don't Worry About It!!!

I don't know much about those clans from vampire: the masquerade, but would they expect someone as vile, disgusting, and immoral as zouken? To me, he fits more to be a ghoul.

@@levysofbioniclelore.andani932 they would especially the three i mentioned.

Eh... most of them would balk at the overt, over the top sexual nature of some of Zouken's thaumaturgy, at least if we go by the original FSN version of Zouken. The re-release and subsequent depictions of him in other media toned that down a lot. I imagine he'd be looked down on by others on his level in World of Darkness. Not seriously mind you, especially given his success rate, but kind of in the way that some people look down on people who do dirty jobs, like people who drive garbage trucks and so on. EDIT: I guess it also depends on which edition of Vampire we're talking about, too.

Sakura visits Shinji in the hospital in UBW epilogue. It is mentioned in the VN, and shown in the anime. So no, she didn't die in UBW.

After ubw Sakura grows strong enough to slap tf out of Zouken whenever she wants to and so she can live somewhat happily knowing she is free Shinji is also a different person and is good after UBW. So yeah. Happy ending

lol

Unfortunately no. Granted a crossover would be epic. I can see Gilgamesh vs Reinhard

No idea why you bring that up but even willhelm would probably be disgusted by the worms. Reinhard fighting gil would be interesting but... i have a feeling reinhard would win from his immortality and spear alone though i dont know much bout that. Only thing id wonder is what fate chars could resist reins charisma or mercs anti charisma

@@readthiscomment6748 Gil has black barrel which nullifies immortality. Also, Gil may have something in GOB that can counter the spear or hell he may have the prototype of the spear plus SNI would be a great help to Gil

@@thirdplanet4471 Isnt reinhards immortality like, if you actually kill him hell just instantly become a hadou god on top of being linked to mercurius whos already one? And im pretty sure his spear ignores distance and can overrite hadou god laws n shit. That would probably be a bit much even for enuma elish. Then again reinhard only uses when hes enjoying the fight so its probably also whoever gets turned on the quickest. Either way now that i think about it, going by the whole army and legion summoning thing, reinhard is basically what youd get if gilgamesh and iskander had a beautiful nazi baby.

@@readthiscomment6748 It's a bit confusing but it seems that Reinhard has to awaken to his status as an apoptosis to utilize his full power. At least that's what I understood by Rea's route. Plus, his death in Marie's route also adds to this.

Then how come Zouken is still alive being mentioned in Hollow ataraxia same goes for Shinji too. Heaven Feels shouldn't be a separate story being played into anime when it's supposed to be tied into a full story lore into Fate Stay Night except UBW being another parallel universe story based on Shirou route. Zouken is still alive and we haven't heard from the last of him yet and thinking there will be a crossover story tied with Tsukihime.

@@Nekogami04 Still not sure why people say he was killed by gilgamesh in ubw when all he did was crush a few worms while talking about his genocide plan. Even though id like that to happen it does seem unlikely hed use enuma elish to destroy all those worms judging by how he handled 4th grail war caster unless he got that repulsed by them.

@@Nekogami04 i would hope its not the taking over part.... (why tf does my username have random numbers at the end of it now...) What i mean is that gil would need to aoe to destroy all of zoukens worms, or sacrifice a shitload of treasures that he wouldnt want back after touching those repulsive insects. Aoe is best done with ea which he dont like using so...

@@Nekogami04 Guess he was just being that lazy against caster then. Either way gil killing zouk doesnt really have any confirmation and all we know is that he stomped on a few worms. I would argue either way that theres a better chance of sakura being in some way saved in ubw than in fate route since 10 years after greater grail war exists, and shirou would stay with rin, having direct connections with sakura as a result, plus rin losing her cold magus mindset.

That is wrong. No one should like, let alone love zouken after what he did to his own family and to sakura.

@@levysofbioniclelore.andani932 yeah I don't know anyone who loves Zouken. Villains like Kirei are ones we love to hate, Zouken is just a vile bastard that most people probably couldn't wait to see dead.

Zouken is nasu's favorite character​@@MrEdit-ic7th