EDM is trash it can be used for any reason and it can also make you look like an old person who has a lot to learn from it but it can also help with your depression or depression or anxiety or anxiety and it is also good to know you are a better man and that you’re a better man because of it so it’s a lot of different people that are going to have to learn from your past mistakes but it’s a good way of learning from them so it’s not that you have a lot to do and you can learn to do better but it’s a good thing you can do it for yourself it’s just a good way for yourself it’s a great thing you have a lot to do better than what you’re going through but it’s a lot more than you have a better life is not good enough to do it but EDM helps people who have to be better people who have been there are many things you can be good enough for them to do better and that’s the best for them and you have to do it to you are the people who have been around you are a lot of things you are the best people who have done a good person you have a good life and they have been there are a few good things to be around people who have worked for me I have a a good life I am not the one who is the bad guy but you have a better chance to get through it than me because you have to do what I have done and I will be there to do what you want and you have a better job I am the one that I can help me with that you have the money you are a better than what I have to be honest I have no one to do it for me I am not a bad guy and you have a better man and you have to do better and you are a better man I will do better than that you have to do it you have a good job you have to be good and I will be the one who will do better than me I am a better man you have to do what I have a good man you have to give you a good job I will be your best man and you have a great day I will do what I will be a better man I am not not the best person but you have a better life and you will get through this I am the better man and you are better and I am the bigger better person I will always love and you will always have the better man and you have the better person you will always have your back I am your friend I am your mom I will be with my family I am a better man and you have your own life you will be a good man I will be a great man I am your father I will always love and you will be my son I am your brother I will be my father I will always will always will always will and you will always will I am a better man and you will never ever forget that you will be a man of your heart will always will forever will always will never ever change I am the only one who is a man and you have always been my son and you will be a great man I am not the only person who is is the one that will always love me I am not your only one who will always be the only person that I am the love of your heart I am your mother I am the one that I love and always love and always be with my children I am always will be with my family I am always the love that I have and always is I will be always will always love and be always with my children but you are not always with my heart I am not the only person who will be with you I will never forget that
thank you, also why did americans decide the need to call it 'electronic dAnCe MuSic' - it's just ELECTRONIC MUSIC, or DANCE MUSIC, aaAAAAA lol, they just have to acronymise everything don't they? It's strange how infuriating it is when americans ruin other cultures music, they really do go at it with some full force ability to claim they created it somehow, at the same time as turning it to sh*t. Oh god that just reminded me of the 'candy kidz' - those americans that saw europes rave scene and then tried to copy it with candy-bracelets for some reason. God. We just need to stop allowing them to dictate western culture, really. Hasn't gone well.
Musicals make me uncomfortable. I don’t know why but the only way I can describe it is the overwhelming feeling of dread that washes over your body anytime you have to watch a sex scene with your parents.
Disco just became one of those genres that'll pop up every now and then from popular artists, without ever really having a true second wave, and beyond that it just influences a ton of stuff like you said
Hopping on AOTY is like having a conversation with your best friend you haven't seen in ages when you bump into them in the tortilla isle of a Smiths, and RYM is asking that same friend to go to dinner to "catch up" where you have to pretend to enjoy your 50 dollar ribeye whilst enduring his stories of his church mission to Chile
One thing not taken into account is the live music scene in terms of “mainstream-ness”. I may be biased because I tend to mostly go to raves/festivals, but EDM shows are some of the best produced and highest attended of any shows I’ve been to, and it gets a consistent rabid audience to continue going. In my area alone there are minimum 4 really big 2-3 day shows a year plus a dozen smaller 1-2 day events that bring in the biggest names in EDM. Not sure if that can make something “mainstream” or not, but it is most certainly popular.
EDM is as mainstream as can be... It's common denominator music... Anyone can get it because of the bombastic 4 on the floor that grounds it. I have never heard an EDM song that challenged my ears or conception of what music can be. It's just "boom boom boom" and I always imagine cannons going off shooting confetti+pyrotechinics while a mass of white people on some fucking field in Europe are jumping up and down and throwing their hands up the air in that way, you know that way, that fucking EDM arm and hand dance that they've all been doing since 2010 😒...
I don’t have the money to attend festivals and such but I desperately hope to one day attend a Porter Robinson show. Even just watching videos here show me gorgeous, ethereal production
As an AOTY user, it can get toxic every now and then. All it usually takes is Brad Taste dropping one review before people start getting mad in the comments.
Fantano's opinion on Disco is the one realest takes I've heard. It's such an important genre, you hear its influence nearly everywhere in modern music. Anyone who dismisses it is crazy.
mang is been a few years since ive watched you and i needed these chill ass random videos in my life again ty. i used to lie and tell people i met you when i was younger id say i went up behind you and just put my hand on your head. they all believed that you were chill af about it
Ahh, Smashing Pumpkins. Back in like 1997 I had a website called The Church of Billy Corgan. (in my defense, I was 14)-but yeah, I was obsessed with that band. Really a drag to discover that my one-time hero turned out to be a giant flaming douche. Oh, well, I'll always have Siamese Dream, Gish, Pisces Iscariot, Mellon Collie, and yes, Adore. I loved Adore!
If I'd know about that website I would have been on it. I was the same. I'm always kinda hoping they have a comeback especially when Jimmy is involved but man that last album sucked so hard.
aaah this comment section is hurting my soul lol - it was MAINSTREAM in europe in the f*cking 80s, all the way through the 90s, and even into like late 00s. It's so strange to me that the gay black rave scene INVENTED techno and house, and then just casually let it die, meanwhile europe grabbed it by the balls.
As a BIG fan of Tennis, I agree with you. I love the new album, and although I think it sounds slightly different than their other albums, I think the sound has sort of run it's course.
The singer went way too insane with Streisand vibes it got disgusting to look at like you don't need to have a 18 inch pron 70s bush and a gigantic afro on your head and wear platforms and wear tight cut cleavage with your aged 40+ yo looking body to make some sort of point about how the old days were better than today.
"Electronic Dance Music will never be mainstream" There were multiple EDM songs that hit the top five last year, also FUCKING DRAKE made a dance album, he's literally Mr Mainstream
The hell is that first person on about? Like Anthony said, EDM was extremely mainstream for decades now. The second electro (not electro house, electro, which is a far older genre from the late 70s/early 80s) and Hi-NRG disco became a thing, EDM has been consistently on the charts for over 40 years.
Electrohouse is one of the worst named electronic music genres tbh. Like not just because electronic music genres are obsessed with using the same prefixes and suffixes over and over again (electro, house, future, wave, etc), but the music that falls under it is neither electro nor really house
@@WiloPolis03 this. when you're outside of America EDM refers to these 'electro-' genres, prog house, deadmau5, skrillex, big commercial festival music. music without a groove lol. whereas the other side is just referred to as club/dance music is like techno, house, jungle, dnb, garage etc - the more musical, danceable and cultured side. OP is wrong when they say 'electro-house is a far older genre from the 70s/80s', it's funny how completely un cultured the average EDM listener is. And i really am trying not to sound elitist or a snob, they're just f*cking wrong lol.
@@sameerdodger OP is talking about 80'-85' Electro; NY acts like Man Parrish, Warp 9, Jonzun Crew, Egyptian Lover, Newcleus, Afrika Bambaataa and Cybertron.
@@sameerdodger You didn't read what I said. I said "The second electro (not electro house, electro, which is a far older genre from the late 70s/early 80s)", which implies I'm talking about ELECTRO music. I'm not saying electro house is from the late 70s-early 80s, I'm saying electro, or as its sometimes known electro-funk, is significantly older and reached mainstream success in the hands of Afrika Bambaataa, Kraftwerk, and other electro artists of the time.
Its such a good RE the sampling/copyright point. You always think how good it would be for the smaller artist but you just know major labels would use it to kick smaller artists even more
I had never considered it this way around. I think it’s scarily accurate. The big guys ripping off creative niche scenes already happens a lot, but without the laws they’d do it all the time with 0 effort.
Yeah. While this is all true, don't forget who setup these laws in the us: people from big labels and music industry experts. These "sampling" restrictions have already been setup to make more sense for big then for small artists. To leave all laws out would def. Do damage to any artist out there but to say that the laws applied right now are good and only for the artists best interest....that ignorant. Haha Seriously. Try to get a sample cleared as a small artists....it's almost impossible.
About musicals! First off all everyone should def check out sideways if u like film scoring, musicals, video essays, and just music in general. Secondly, I totally get that reviewing musicals is a totally dif thing but I have to say for all the musical haters out there…. I’m sure there’s a musical for you! If you out don’t the tap dance I got rhythm type or the quirky modern teen type or the super dramatic dark comedy type or blah blah…. There’s always more. Even in mainstream there’s like bluegrass musicals and shit. Its gotten way more diverse. It’s def an art form that requires some commitment and suspension of disbelief but if you go international or indie u can find some awesome shit that suits you. Even If you don’t fall in love with theatre, or rather, musicals as a medium, I’ve seen even huge haters able to at least appreciate the art and enjoy some aspects . Also I think everyone cries listening to les mis anniversary concert wall of sound lol. Plus there’s some great comedies, even the South Park boys wrote a musical and obviously there’s Mel brooks and many many many more. Try out hadestown if you want a mainstream musical that’s a bit less pop but still very accessible
AOTY is so so so much better than RYM it's insane. the culture is nicer, the 0-100 rating system is literally 10x more expressive than RYM's, you can have short reviews and no one cares, there's a general sense of humor to it as opposed to RYM's heavily enforced dead serious tone, and it just visually looks better. the only real downside is that it has way less people on it (and even that is arguably a positive)
The song Kiss on the roses first line is “there used to be a greying tower alone on the sea” There is a rose sprouting out of a tower and that’s why it’s a kiss from a rose on the gray
I’ve had similar late night sessions on the Steve Hoffman forums when I want to get more in depth on older periods of music, mainly 20s-50s era blues and jazz.
just went on AOTY for the first time and its refreshing like,, good albums have actual good rates instead of people giving it 1.5 stars just because it doesnt sound like r*diohead
I don't know if EDM heads want to claim Black Eyed Peas anymore, but growing up The E.N.D was inescapeable. Like if that's not mainstream, then I don't know what is.
Hot Take: I get the pushback on musicals. People breaking out into song and dance is not really my vibe either BUT there is a sub-genre called "backstage musical", which are films and plays about music. The songs are not a soiloquy; they're baked into the story. Movies about musicians like Inside Llyewn Davis or Once have the musical numbers feel more natural and stand on their own.
Here's a hot take: Anthony Fantano opens up this segment with the most simple, by-the-numbers bass chords because if he did something crazy with it he would blow our minds. I know he's hiding his true power, lets see some crazy Steve Harris gallops or something on that thing.
I guess Purity Ring just scratches that itch for me. It gives me such ethereal joy that it is confusing for me that others aren’t feeling it. My wife just looks at me like I’m from the moon when I’m vibing to it. I’ve wondered if it has tones like in a dog whistle that others just can’t hear.
I had a professor who said that EDM was not true electronic music because it had to be something that couldn't be replicated by other instruments. Like he said an EDM song can be replicated through an orchestral arrangement. Bruh. I have never been so confused by a professor in my entire life. Every student said he was wrong. Every one of us.
I don’t understand that at all. Does he mean it can’t have intentional pitch? If that’s the case, the dubstep, a type of EDM, is true electronic music, and also don’t orchestral percussion instruments exist? I don’t understand your professor at all.
Bonnaroo is one of the biggest music festivals in the US and it grew from indie/alt/jam rock roots; nowadays it has a fully committed 24/7 EDM stage, multiple other fully committed EDM stages, and when there are musicians booked after midnight that play instruments, you now have to remind EDM lovers that Roo isn't primarily an EDM festival and it's okay to have non-EDM artists (yet it is easily the most represented genre). EDM festivals are now everywhere and there are EDM nights at fairly mainstream bars in most cities any day of the week...it's undeniably mainstream lol. I'm glad Fantano didn't entertain this argument.
Usually people with negative views on certain music, know nothing about it and haven't even listened to the album they are hating on. Or artist/band. It's why I tend to not give a fuck what people say about music. But you have a balanced palette I feel. If that makes any fucking sense. Anyways, dope shit. Fuck the music haters who have no knowledge of music and can't even write music, yet they think they know more than the creators.
I can speak for the fact that piano is SOOOOOO helpful for arranging. I also play the violin, but it has basically no carryover to writing songs, beyond knowing how to use a violin in a song. That piano experience transfers *perfectly* onto the paper or DAW, no awkward conversions or anything.
“EDM” IS categorically mainstream. It’s a mainstream commercialised format of pre existing genres of club music. It is not a term for ALL electronic dance music in real world use - it refers to a specific, mainstream style of music.
EDM run 2009-2014 was the last good peak of mainstream music. Daft Punk, Calvin Harris, David Guetta, Avicci, Skriller, Zedd, Martin Solveig, Steve Oaki, Jack U, Armin Van Buuren and more and more. Dude, you can’t hide back them. Really funny times.
Finding a non lgbt user on AOTY is like finding a needle in a haystack. Okay maybe not that extreme but it’s definitely more common than with most sites
@@cyinic Technically RYM is 1-10 since you can give things half star ratings, But I get what you mean. Personally I find it _easier_ to give a rating on a smaller scale (1-10 or 1-5), Just because it requires less thinking, I can pretty easily go "Do I hate this, Dislike it, Am I meh about it, Do I like it, Or do I love it?" and then get a 1-5 rating from there, Although 1-100 is definitely more meaningful, Because with a smaller scale I'll often find myself ranking two things I enjoyed to quite different degrees as the same thing.
Wait, So are you telling me that when I went on RYM and looked at the top ~5 LGBTQ singles of the year and listened to them because I was bored, I should've been doing it on AOTY instead?
Hadestown started as a concept album by Anais Mitchell and then was sculpted into one of the best musicals ever, imo. It was a banger record too, Bon Iver was on it. Def check it out if you haven't. Musicals fuck
couldn't disagree more about the Smashing Pumpkins take. Billy Corgan was always the main focus and the creative drive of them since day one, not to mention the fact that these days (or at least a few years back) both James Iha and Jimmy Chamberlain were back in the band. Corgan can't be that much of a "tyrant" if 3/4s of the original band were happy to get back together. Adore also rules.
I think sampling laws should be less restrictive. As long as the samples are used in a creative way to create something new rather than "here's the main riff from that song that was a hit 20 years ago". Maybe there should be a time or number of notes limit or something like that. For example you could use 5 notes (or seconds) or less without permission, any more than that you'd need to get permission. That way your not using a substantial part of the original recording.
I will say, AOTY as an interface is incredible. But as a community, it can be hit or miss wherever you go. And the average user scores tend to get swayed heavy based on larger opinions like you, brad taste in music (who is raised up as a God on that site for some reason, no hate to him tho, he's entertaining), and a couple other popular reviewers on the site. There are also a lot of very small niche artists that get added to the site for the sole purpose to either get overly praised or overly hated. But all-in-all AOTY is still better and cleaner than RYM.
The “fantano effect” or “Brad effect” in most scenarios is mainly placebo or very hard to notice. I gathered some data and found the average rating shift after a fantano or Brad upload on an albums was typically less than 0.5/100 and that’s not taking into account that there would be change from new people finding it from that. Also yeah, the site would be better without Brad Taste, most users don’t like Brad or his fans.
Yeah that sums it up pretty well I dont think the site would be better without Brad though, he's grown the site so much by putting it in his youtube videos and lifestreams.
Yeah this, and also I think it’s easier to find more obscure albums there. Plus I think the stuff people on RYM champion/recommend is more aligned with my tastes, maybe that’s because AOTY skews younger with its user base and now that I’m in my thirties there’s some difference in generational tastes there. I do like AOTY though and I think it’s got a great, less toxic community. Although I’d also say the toxicity of RYM gets overstated, I think most interactions and album pages there are fine, there’s just a few that devolve into arguments
Artists should be paid if their work gets sampled, yes, BUT... There should def be a cap on sample clearing prices and royalties. Like I dunno, you can't charge more than 100K and you can't collect more than 90%. Also like a 10 year denial clearance, there's so many bands that reject sampling flat out. So if after 10 years you're still against being sampled, charge 'em 100K per sample and collet 90% of the royalties.
Edm is an all encompassing term for multiple sub genres of music. This new decade in particular, I’ve seen artists repurposing a lot of break beats or dnb samples as beat structures. I love it but I don’t know what pushed us here.
Depends what you mean of all time, I’m their lane and because of their popularization of a genre. Yeah, but across every single band, including jazz bands, pop bands, etc. hard to argue.
Dude I'm so glad the title of the video wasn't a point you were defending, I was worried. So, short story time. The whole "All My Homies Hate Skrillex" video that broke EDM fans and artists alike (VERY fucking well researched video despite being one large personal anecdote) wholly encapsulated what the feeling was like at the time these new sounds hit the internet. Fast forward, things are becoming heavier, and pitched. Mid-ranges became the focus. Rolling bass became distorted screeches and wobbles. I loved the new direction. I loved the old direction. Never had an issue. In 2010, Skrillex released a free mixtape on one of many hosting websites, "My Name is Skrillex" and the collective western world that listened to EDM was WHOLLY changed after one listen. He broke the fucking formula. Acts like Rusko would follow the mid-range focus. Their explosions would lead to a slow adoption of the production styles, with other artists adding their flavor to the mix. Fast forward even further and we now have subgenres like Space Bass, Brain Drain and various undecided uses of the term "Wook" (Wookie) Wook-bass, Wook-wonk, etc. Although I just synopsized 10 years of lots of change, while this happened, ZEDD literally released an album that was ENTIRELY played on regular FM radio, all the time. Rappers everywhere were getting tracks produced (and played on the radio) by Diplo. Waka Flocka Flame did a whole tour with Steve Aoki. Lil Jon was a headlining act Electric Daisy Carnival ("Turn Down For What" was played in every place from Kohl's to barbershops to Lowe's). Deadmau5 became a household (no pun intended) name. Almost everybody knows who Tiesto and Daft Punk are. TLDR how the f*ck could you ever come to the conclusion that EDM will never be mainstream, holy shit.
literally got into an argument with my friend earlier where i said piano is the alpha instrument and the skills from it can be utilized on other instruments
What about a Synth though? Most of the same benefits of a Piano, But being a master on it you'd probably also be able to do a bit of engineering or production.
10:50 I agree (kinda) with the design point, however NOT with the user experience point. Also, the users aren't THAT toxic. I block some - don't get me wrong - but all in all, it's still pretty good. I have a feeling that the users used to be a little more positive toward one another a decade ago, but at least they have also become more appreciative of pop music and dance music.
Both Adore and Machina are stellar Smashing Pumpkins records. It’s lovely to see that over time people are coming round to both those albums - all the Pumpkins material from Gish to Machina II is one of the finest streaks of unfaltering creativity I think there’ll ever be.
@@kyleaustin1901 I agree with yall that Adore and Machina I and II aren't as bad as the person in the video suggests, but also they are not as good as all the albums up until Mellon Collie. Zeitgeist is basically butt rock, Teargarden had some good tracks but was sort of too much classic rock worship, Oceania was about as good as Teargarden, and then from Monuments until now it's just clear that that they're neck deep in classic rock worship in a sort of sad boomer-y way.
No. He makes the most generic music posisble what on earth are you on about? He's electronic music for people who don't listen to any other electronic music.
@@Nefariousbig while i agree with both of you, i do have to say deadmau5 is easily one of the best and most talented djs in the entire scene, he does tend to stick to what he knows best and doesn’t experiment and try different sounds. Ive also seen deadmau5 live. Hes super dope.
