LET'S ARGUE: My Twitch Chat Is Toxic 

the chat isnt bigoted, racist, sexist, etc its just a gathering of the most annoying music listeners youve ever met

The issue isn't slurs or anything, it's the fact that Twitch chat thinks they can do what Fantano does

This should be a Let's Agree based on the title alone

Feeling a light 1 on the Twich chat's existence...

I think the first user's description of his Twitch chat as 'toxic' is poorly worded. The complaints I've seen and agree with are that the chat is unfunny, is biased towards Anthony's opinion even when he changes his mind and whenever they choose to comment on the song or artist at hand they practically spit out generic one-liners that barely pass as critiques or jokes. It's maybe even. uhm, a little cringe, bro?

The issue isn't the slurs or sexism. It's like being surrounded by the seagulls from finding Nemo. They actively hate a song untill Anthony says he likes it or visa versa. it's especially evident with any artist that melon usually dislikes (Eminem, Hopsin, drake) every song so trash untill he says "I like it" and they trip over themselves to agree.

I’d rather be forced to read the millions of corny ass comments where your fan base “jokingly” accuses you of heinous crimes on theneedledrop comment section, than read 1 twitch chat

You gotta understand that every single person in his Twitch chat is terminally online

A good replacement for "Needle Drops" would be "Stantanos."

As a guy who has slid into a few twitch chats before, it's literally just a constant contest of who can get said streamer to notice you. Like trying to be the cutest puppy amongst the annoying ass chihuahuas. It's hell. It's Twitch.

My biggest problem with fantano's chat is that they will be hating on a song but the moment he says anything positive they switch up completely

the TND Twitch chat is none of the most infuriating things i can possibly think of. whenever i watch stream highlights, i have to cover the right side of my screen with my hand lmao

anthony: *listens to a song his twitch chat: BOO!!! this song is whack af🤮 anthony: i actually liked this track alot his twitch chat: wow this song is actually a grower🥰🥰

thanks for raising this issue melon. i love ur twitch streams, but when you singled me out and told the entirety of chat to call me an array of homophobic and racial slurs, i was a bit hurt

The chat isn’t abusive like the guy made out, it’s just really stubborn and snobby

Anthony’s twitch chat are the kind of people that say the stupidest shit known to man and call them hot takes

The fact that everyone seems to unanimously agree that the Twitch chat is annoying makes me think that a lot of the “annoying chatters” are also, ironically, complaining that the chat is annoying.

This topic is finally being acknowledged, we're witnessing melon history Edit nvm he dodged that shit lol, the issue with the chat isn't bigotry it's that they're cancerous annoying haters who freak out on any and every song until Fantano says he likes it.

Reading your Twitch chat is like drinking bleach

Twitch chats are useless. As Anthony said it's too much. You can't have a productive dialogue when by the time you've written a response there's 200 messages above the thing you're responding to. It basically functions as a "lmao" or emote button

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The actor/musician take is weird. They are generally artists first and it’s impressive to watch them try a different media. Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) for example was fantastic in Hitchiker’s Guide

“it’s just a super opinionated music chat” and that is the exact problem 😭 I def don’t think it’s a reflection of anthony but that entire premise is just destined to bring a horrible environment

ur twitch chat is not toxic but they are pretentious and will always piggyback on your opinion or body language.

You should see the live chats on illegal sports streams, it's fascinating, I almost don't beleive they are real people.

nothing scarier for a new artist then to being on fantanos twitch

A fantano twitch chat seems like a wholesome place where valid opinions are stated.

needle drops would be our name if anthony did heroin

You’re too late, Melon. I’ve already formed my own opinion on the horrors of twitch chat.

Hey Anthony no shitpost just wanted to say I think you’re a great guy that I look up to, especially for how logical, fair and articulate you are against discourse.

LET’S ARGUE: Anthony should at least call us ‘Needle Drops’ during Classics Week

They're not toxic in the face value way. They literally ride every opinion of yours

This comment section roasting his twitch chat had me laughing my ass off for 1 hour

the chat isn't necessarily toxic the way you'd traditionally think of, but they definitely will decide they don't like something and just absolutely slam it in the meanest way possible. and then they immediately change their opinion when fantano says it's good

I think context is important and can add a lot to a record in a number of cases, especially when dealing with conceptual/experimental pieces as they help further inform where the art is coming from, what it's doing, etc. I don't know if it'd mean a "change in rating" as such, but might help to better define a rating at the very least. For instance... Recently I gave John McCowen's 4 Chairs in 3 Dimensions a listen, it's a solo clarinet record somewhere in the style of Evan Parker and so on - and in reading the title to a track halfway through, called Birds of Jamaica, the title made the piece click as I realized the intent was to imitate a natural tropical soundscape through the clarinet. Details like these can at least help build a clearer picture of what one is listening to in instances as abstract as these.

good stuff, liked hearing you talk about films, curious on some of your favs.

0:00 Intro 0:20 "Melon's Twitch Chat Is Toxic" 1:28 "Successful Musicians Shouldn't Get Into Acting" 3:38 "Melon would have been okay with MC Ride saying the stuff that Anthony Kiedis said on the newest Peps album" 4:34 'LukeOnDemand could beat Melon in Minecraft PVP" 4:39 On a scale of 1-10 how many Ska albums are there? 4:51 "Steven Tyler's screeches on Dream On and I Don't Wanna Miss A Fuckin Thing are annoying" 5:22 "Sex Pistols' Never Mind The Bollocks Is A Classic" 6:54 "Taylor Swift's Reputation is an 8/10 after learning the context of the record" 7:24 "It would be cool for a "Feel Good Inc." cover on the Danny Brown and JPEGMAFIA collab album" 7:50 What songs would Melon want Weird Al to cover if we could get one more parody album? 8:00 "80's is it's own distinct genre, whereas 60's, 70's, 90's, etc could mean many things." 8:42 "The more people on a Kendrick album cover, the better it is" 9:00 "There's no artists that make party music anymore" 9:40 "When artists release multiple singles it's a massive detriment to the album listening experience" 10:19 "If you've never been moved to tears by a song, you don't like music" 10:59 "Why don't you call us your Needle Drops anymore?" 11:43 Outro

I’ve been waiting for someone to bring this up with Anthony for a long time.

When an artist releases singles, it’s only detrimental to the quality of the actual listen through of the album if the artist releases a lot of singles that are going onto one album. As much as I love the new abnormal by the strokes, I wish they didn’t release so many tracks as singles from that album

On the singles point. I've noticed a lot of artist stick to 2 album singles and the rest are their own thing or cuts.

If there's one thing I've learned it's that every single internet group is super toxic. Mostly because almost all internet communities are an average age of about 12 to 18.

Fantano: MY TWITCH CHAT IS SO TOXIC UGGGHHH Hasanabi: first time?

I really liked being one of your Needle Drops antknee. I also really liked being told to check the "link in the dbox"

The musician/actor thing makes me think of Stevie Van Zandt in Sopranos, he's talked a few times about being extremely nervous starting the show and feeling like he would be looked down upon by the actors for being a "rockstar" and not a real actor.

The hot take on musicians in film is so dumb, even decades ago. 20 years ago Whitney Huston covered "I Will Always Love You" only because she was in her film debut in The Bodyguard. Without that singer being in film the world wouldn't have had one of the best covers of all time. Actors and musicians are artists (even though acting is really a craft). They overlap and we've been given some of the best movies AND records of all time because of it. Not to mention, actors transitioning to music has resulted in horrible music more times than musicians transitioning to acting has resulted in bad movies. I hate to go with the worst example of it but.... Angelic 2 The Core should be enough solid ground to allow, at least, a thousand musicians to be able to dabble in acting. It's the only fair price.

You know it's serious when Anthony doesn't open with some sweet bass

1:52 the funniest part of this idea is that acting and music often go hand in hand. many actors have independent music with small audiences, from celebrity bands from the Viper room to Michael cera to Idris Elba running a record label and more. In the case of some musicians, acting is what helps build the persona of a character they play, like rick ross going from being a Correction Officer to a rapper that is known for street music. I think what's funny is some musicians have backgrounds in acting like Joey Badass, who depending on who you ask might be better known for his work on Mr. Robot than his music.

1:28 i wanna add to this point, coming from a perspective of complete utility, the number of high value high exposure jobs that non-famous people have gotten from working on movies that wouldn't exist if it weren't for a famous musician having made the franchise profitable (whether it be a movie made *for* a famous person, or a sequel being made exclusively because a famous person made the first movie successful enough to warrant a second, or the studio just having enough new cash influx to want to make another movie period) WAY outnumbers the number of roles "stolen" by famous musicians. adding celebrities to the cast will almost always result in significantly more people benefitting than the one "classical actor" who didn't get their role. also, a lot of them are.. good? like certainly not all, but musicians are performers, and often, they're good at and trained in both.

No no, this person 9:26 has a point. Every mainstream club I step into plays the same songs they played 5-8 years ago.

Every comment here is "It's not toxic but it's so unfunny and awful" yet you know every one of them is actively in those chats lmao

I don’t think I’ve ever sad cried to a song before but I’ve certainly happy cried to a song before (like wow this is incredible it’s everything I’ve wanted in a song I must expel moisture from my eyes now)

I've never heard of Never Mind The Bullocks, is this some sort of concept album revolving around the personal life of Sandra Bullock?

Imagine taking a twitch chat seriously in 2022

Literally popped into one of his streams just to see him react to the new $B album because I just wanted to see his opinion on it (even if it was good or bad.) Before he even played the first song the chat was already spamming 2’s (not goods) or saying like “we don’t want to listen to this.” Like dawg he’s doing his job. You should be thankful he’s even live streaming it for y’all’s entertainment.

Really disappointed there weren't any first wave Ska albums at 4:47. I feel like at least ONE album by Toots And The Maytals, Desmond dekker or the Skatalites should have been included even for a joke. I do like that you included "Ska Dream" though.

About the acting question, I always think of Joey Badass' performance in Mr Robot, which was really good

Yea Fantanos twitch chat is actually annoying asf. The pretentiousness is easily the most aggravating part

I mean what twitch chat isn't?

Music can make me bawl harder during an emotional scene like at the end of the last of Mohicians.

10:10 fun fact, The Smiths released 'There Is a Light That Never Goes Out' as a single 6 years after the album (The Queen is Dead)

petition for the viewers to be called "my melonheads"

The problem is that twitch chat actually isn't very opinionated at all. They will mindlessly hate on a track but immediately flip the second Anthony bops his head a little 💀

I think Kendrick was onto something when he released Backseat Freestyle as a single before GK,MC. It was a cool bait and switch where it seemed like he was just gonna make bangers but then the song fit really well into the overall narrative

Reputation is my all time most played album and I’ll die for it. I will.

Instead of "needle drops" I'm in favor of "The Melon Militia"

Sounds more like a let's agree tbh

2:46 nah even Frank Sinatra was doing some fire acting in the late 50s and early 60s

7:14 introducing mac miller swimming redux review

That twitch chat is nasty. Even if it's getting moderated I still see a bunch of bigoted messages

No surprise that since Anthony has shifted his focus over the years to being a popular music culture commentator that he would start attracting young and obnoxious people. This fanbase has been cultivated over time by constantly giving time to memes, most of which are negative, and using Twitter of all things as your primary content platform

On the topic of Ska albums, Streetlight Manifesto will actually be coming out with a new album either at the end of this year or the beginning of next year.

7:26 feel good inc. cover would be insane

☔💧💦DROPLETTES 💦💧☔

I've never had a problem with inclusivity regarding Fantano's Twitch chat. It's the constant inability of them to stick with their own opinion. The polls during the stream easily reflect that too.

Coz it’s set to Sub only chat during interviews yes. I get to sit and watch as others comment while listening to a podcast essentially.

9:45 Megachin Anthony is something I didn't know I needed.

Fantano da 🐐 no 🧢

Anthony missed the point completely 💀

Down By Law and Mystery Train are classics

I had to accept that when people say "this sounds like the 60ies" the normally don't refer to Stockhausen.

Internet community: *doesn't throw out a red carpet for my opinions* Me: "this place is very toxic"

Fantano’s twitch chat da 🐐 no 🧢

Melon doesn't do anything wrong with how he moderates his chat. He does take guidelines towards how far chat can go. A big thing pointed out in comments is how even though he leaves it up to chat to discuss music, the chat overlooks it and idolized Anthony. A good example of this for me is when Anthony watched nakeyjake's last music video and Anthony was feeling unsure, the chat is blowing up with shit talking Jake but the moment Anthony acknowledged the good parts the chat flips script. The issue is when someone from the start goes "I think this is good", the chat outside of Anthony's control dog piles that person but within a minute on Anthony's words flips to that person's side. It also doesn't help that Anthony when reading that comment about his chat used a whiney tone which is fixed. Anthony knows he's doing his best for moderation and wants discussion because music is subjective. The issue is that you should call out bad behavior more for the growth of conversation. Anthony doesn't want everyone agreeing, he wants discussion and it's clear since early videos. But Anthony needs to expand his moderation with warnings of "hey guys, this dog pile isn't okay because of what I said". This comment isn't a hit on Anthony it's agreeing with him about the control he has and acknowledging the things he has moderated. It's just pointing out the flaws every top comment has which is inclusiveness and growth of discussion which Anthony has always wanted.

Fantano’s never cried tears of joy and it shows

what are some movies that have amazingly formed soundtracks? can either be originally produced or playlist oriented

That ending Argue is a perfect segue into the latest HIVEMIND video. You should Collab with those guys, get an MCN going.

I've never been to a rave or a proper big club, but i'd so go to one if I've Seen Footage was on the playlist

You should call us your little seeds, and we all live in the seed vault.

Im feeling a light to decent 1 on the twitch chatroom

Some musicians can be talented actors, creative people are generally multi-faceted creatively and want to explore other avenues

The Needle Droppas! 🙏😤

Call us Peter because my name is Peter and that would be convenient for me

People are saying that the twitch chat is biased towards him but of course it is, that's where all those people will congregate. I simply do not observe the twitch chat and therefore it is in a quantum superposition of both being toxic and non toxic at the same time

I am so using "The Peps" to refer to the RHCP from now on, hahaha.

cant wait for the 9th ska album!

What is your opinion on Fantano calling his fans Fantano Drones? He used in a RateYourMusic video in the past where he talked about how his fan can boast or tank an album ratings somewhat based on his rating of an album. Plus a good portion of his audience seem to be unable to form their own opinions on music and rely solely off of his rating and opinions. If anyone sees this please upvote it so Fantano has a chance at seeing this.

in my mind 70s is the hippie era, 80s is this sort of lifeless modern sterile sound (not that it's all bad), 90s is the peak of rock and of course grunge, into 2000 to 2010 to 2020 there are also differences but because it's more recent and not as much time has passed it doesn't stand out as much. Clearly in the last 20 years hip hop has become the top genre. For a while now I have been wondering what's next in music. Will rap ever go and be replaced by something else or will it just keep transforming?

THE JEAN VEST IS BACKKK

When you mentioned Ride's lyrics I thought you meant the shoegaze band

Am I the only one that had no idea that “My Needle Drops” was referring to the fans? I always thought it was just to start off the review, like dropping the needle on a record starts off the record. The record being a metaphor for the review in that case. Is any of this making sense?