Let's Build a Medieval Village in Manor Lords to see if it lives up to the Hype! | Ep. 1 

Just listening to you say that at the end of the video... Great work as always (apart from April fool vid). :)

So no offense but I kinda quit watching even though I think your awesome just got kinda bored of city skylines. I've really enjoyed watching this game and infection free zone. Love to see you trying something new. I will follow this series and thank you!

Hey, nice vid! Btw, if you're interested in the builders like this, you can try Ostriv. Its out for quite a while already, and is developed by a single guy. It might look not so fancy, but mechanics are sooo cool and deep.

gotta love the youtuber special treatment! Fuck us plebs who will actually be paying for the game eh?

@@Shifty51991 It's called marketing. The publisher wants to show off the game before release to generate hype. Brands do this all the time. As a customer, you also benefit because you get to see the game before spending money on it. If you watch these videos and then decide it's not for you then the RU-vidr getting the game for free helped you saving money.

But why is it like this?

Wait wait, why? Very curious now!

I’ll let Katan elaborate, but one thing I do know is that medieval European society was surprisingly litigious. There are lots of legal records concerning disputes about who owned what piece of land, and people suing their neighbours for planting their crops and/or letting their livestock graze where they shouldn’t have.

@@KorKhan89 Now I get what this means and I can say, the societal conflict is still a thing! I live in a small Village in Germany and very close to its borders about 700-900M is the next Village located, a smaller one. These Villages exists for a very long time now, back to medivel times, and back in those days, they had very bad disputes with the others, because of field an land use, sometimes even small clashes. And today, the two Villages are counted as one, so they got combined, but still like 2-4 fields between them. It is still common to mock a person from the other village. But its just for fun and joking around, both sides do it, specialy in friend groups.

​@@CityPlannerPlays In many medieval contexts from north-western Europe, the primary settlement often consisted of a line of farms with associated evenly sized rectangular plots built perpendicular to a raised road or a central (often triangular) green. The laying out of evenly sized plots by way of careful measuring with rods and chains was important because the acreage determined the associated rents or feudal taxes. In most of the research cases I study, having different plot sizes in a primary settlement stage is unlikely because every colonist would have agreed to a certain amount of acreage commensurate to his part of the endeavour (like clearing trees, digging ditches and building farmhouses). I hope this answers some of your questions...

Tbh the skylines grids are fine the problem is buildings look like ass at least they did in cs1 not sure about 2 I didn’t play it.

@@acev3521 it ain't that bad, a few are "odd" but most are cool... I just can't stand the ugly billboards

they're just waiting to release the non-grid update as a DLC that looks like garbo for $20, and is the same models of buildings now, just squished around to fit the shapes.

@@perisemiotics3204 SC4 has better looking buildings than SC it absolutely is "that bad"

@@acev3521 calm down buddy, that's just your opinion, it's all good

Seriously! These greedy, multi-million dollar AAA game companies NEED to step up a notch. Pathetic!

ur a fully grown man complaining about a different game on a video about a game btw

@@h.f6364 yeah you must consume mindlessly and not complain to the big giant corporate entity!

While I generally agree with your sentiment, there is an important difference here: This single dev has worked on this game for (I believe) 7 years now without getting a dime for it, and it's still only about to be early access. Very likely he had to work in a different job during that time to make a living, turning this game into a sideproject, a hobby of sorts. Which allowed him to pour his heart into it, but is also a working structure very unfit for an established game-development company (it's essentially voluntary unpaid overtime). Colossal Order likely needs to pay millions per year in wages, with little money coming in while everyone is waiting for the next release. And there is also the communication issue: In a large company there will be some "idea"-guys, some topic experts (potentially external) and then there are the actual developers, who are a heterogenous group with different understanding of the latest ideas and rules and how they need to be included in the game. If you're developing stuff on your own, you're both the idea guy and the developer, possibly even the topic expert, and no ideas can get lost or misunderstood in communication. So in many aspects, developing stuff on your own is a lot easier than in a company.

@@h.f6364 customers are allowed to share their displeasure with products they've purchased

Fantastic idea and I appreciate the comment!

I second this.. let's test how far town planning can get you in the dark ages.

Please do a let’s play on this - I love your videos on modern cities and this would be amazing :)

Couldnt agree more!

I love your Cities Skylines videos, but if you have free time to do another series, I would absolutely love to see more of this game.

Hahaha! I had no idea!

He also talked about fertility then placed his wheat fields without changing the overlay 😂

@@HO-bz7xd oh crap, you’re right! I need to fix those. Will do so in the next one!

@@CityPlannerPlays I’m happy to hear you’re making a 2nd one. I appreciate a whole different approach to this game compared to other content creators.

LOL the fact that game generated this name out of all that were available is just comic

Man I fucking hope so, they deserve it. They've made something truly beautiful. Pure gold

I can't wait until release, I'm pumped.

I’m happy for the team

@@krevin543 that’s only one guy, not even a team

@@Gobannn started out as one guy but he has a team now. Hooded Horse is financing the launch at least.

a lot of content is missing, it's early acces

@@christianedwall2488 its even pre early access due to how limited the game is so far

the game is deserving of attention because its showing insane potential not because its ready to release wtf are you on

Lots of things the CS2 developers could learn from in this game.

@@mver191 A LOT!

this make AAA game developer look pathetic. long live Indie dev

Worst mistake of CO was teamming up with Paradox..

nice ad

Couldn’t agree more, I often find myself hoping for a CPP CK3 or EU4 live stream.

@@garyklyce713 I'd watch the heck out of CK3 CPP videos. Oh man.

No it’s much more realistic. That was before the family got destroyed by “progress” and dividing people according to voting blocs.

@@raskolnikov6443 Don't put your stupid culture war bullshit into this. People were not divided according to voting blocs, because they didn't have much say to begin with. And also, those villages had common land and villages were basically farmer cooperatives. People like you usually call that kind of stuff communism or whatever. If you twist your perspective on it enough you can try to justify any ideology you want based on it.

​@@raskolnikov6443I think it was more a joke about sibling rivalry and grumpy parents...

@@raskolnikov6443 The family got destroyed? lmao

Ostriv and Sumerians both do excellent jobs of nongrid-building and Ostriv especially does excellent individual plot control (and fiddly tax rates! Barbers make bank in the 1700s)

VR got me back into game a few years ago. now im bored again.

Thank you so much, Chris!

Same here! I can’t believe how close we are to being able to play it!

wollte gerade das selbe schreiben :D Grüße

@@daniisdlx when are you guys gonna pay back Poland for the genocide btw?

@@Potent_Techmology Hollywood-Victim..

​@@lukek.2866 Crybaby.

@@brigadist1585 lol what ?

CS2 developers and publishers are both liars. They were leaving so many things behind and rushed the game. what an L

Just pirate it when it comes out lel

We don't know the price yet. The price will only be revealed when you can buy it.

This has absolutely nothing to do with CK3 though, unless I've missed the part about building a hamlet and taking over a county with a bunch of militia? There's no politics, no espionage, no trading, no dynasties, you can't have kids, and you can't rule a country. It's literally just a medieval RTS.

@@mdc3227 Yeah apart from being a lord over your Kingdom in Medeival times, it's absolutely nothing to do with CK3. It's a mix between the two games.

I love Cities Skylines and Age of Empires 2, so this is like a mix of the two. Just heard about Manor Lords today and I cant wait for this game to release

More like anno

ite more like a cross between banished and the old settlers games if anything

Most of the time yes, but not always. Sometimes they were built over older holy sites in the landscape. Other times they were simply built where the ground could support a church, as in more swampy or mountain areas. There are also a lot of 'stand alone' churches placed strategically to serve a sparse but wide area (such as in Scotland).

not always - in my village its on the edge because it was the manoral church and the manor was built on a bit of a hill which overlooks the village

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@@jasonhaven7170 Not even close to "all". Unless you count early american colonies as european (as those are in half of Banished like games).

Hmm... Maybe I'll have to swap that church out for the market! Thankfully, I don't think you lose out on resources, just time!

I don't disagree too much, but there are a lot of stereotypes that really aren't true. The Late Middle Ages had a higher level of urbanization than the Romans, it was just that Rome had a few very centralized cities, whereas Medieval Europe had a whole bunch of cities, spread over the entire area. Population and population density were on the rise during the entire Middle Ages, only broken by the black plague once. And even then it was higher than Rome at its peak. They also generally didn't have a lack of planning. People didn't just live in randomly sprung up ghettos. Your Paris example falls flat precisely because it talks about the 19th century. That's 400 years after the Middle Ages. That's like saying the Romans in antiquity were bad city planners because in 900 the city of Rome wasn't a metropolis anymore. The vast majority of Medieval cities had perfectly fine sewage systems for the amount of people that lived in them. There are whole archives in e.g. Germany that still have city ordinances from that time period and we know a lot of perfectly normal communal services, from garbage disposal over canal maintenance to fines for littering. They became overwhelmed by the rapid population growth in the 18th and 19th century, but that's neither their fault nor is it Medieval. Paris didn't first get a sewage system in the 1860s, get got a newly modernized one after the previous systems got overwhelmed. The entire Paris remodelling absolutely has to be seen in the larger context of Napoleon III. and his politics by the way, but yet again, that's not even close to the Middle Ages. You would be right to point out that below ground construction was rare, that doesn't mean that those things didn't exist. Open canals were incredibly common and as I said, mabye not perfect but for the amount of people living in the cities, perfectly adequate. Bath houses meanwhile were more common than today. It's the reason for Central and North European sauna culture. Enormous running water baths were more common for the Romans of course (not entirely so, there were some famous baths all around Medieval Europe), but essentially every village had a bath house and cities had more than one. In the same vein, you would be incredibly hard pressed to find a single city in the High Middle ages that didn't have multi-story houses, that's not at all something unique. That's not something that just happened in Italy or the Mediteranean area, but everywhere. E.g. Nürnberg as a prominent, but not unqiue example. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Stadt_N%C3%BCrnberg#/media/Datei:Nuremberg_chronicles_-_Nuremberga.png Finally, wind mills were all over Europe by the latter half of the 12th century. This game plays in the 13th century, by this time they were incredibly common. The only reason why a small village wouldn't have one is that most commonly wind mills were owned by the Lords and used as a sort of tax collection location. Milling grain is absolutely necessary and wind mills can't be hidden, so a fee for using a mill is an easily controlled way of raising a tax on agrarian activity. By the Late Middle Ages, people literally ran out of spots to put them. Every single suitable river was filled with water mills and most hills had mills on them. The famous Dutch wind mills where you can see rows upon rows of them next to each other weren't uncommon in Europe at all, it's just that the Netherlands were a place where they survived as landmarks. This is another metric by which the Middle Ages usually surprise people who haven't studied the topic. If we define it as a sort industrialization metric by how much power is generated for a civilization, then by the Late Middle Ages, people are squeezing every bit they can out of the land, without resorting to steam power or electricity. Same as nowadays there really isn't any capacity for Europe to expand hydro energy, by the end of the Middle Ages there literally wasn't any space to build more water mills. This far outstrips e.g. the Roman capacity for power, which relied far more on manual labour, often provided by slaves and a lot less on machinery.

​@@hafor2846 You're absolutely right in everything you said. When I said "Dark Ages" I was referring to France ~900-1200 (Which is what, in my experience, most people associate with the 'dark ages') Though I will completely concede that's a generalization that I didn't explain, and could be damaging to people's understanding of the Middle Ages, which is extremely shaky already. I should have mentioned the HRE & Eastern Europe more, as they were *far* more advanced than people give them credit for, but it's also out of my area of expertise so I opted to not be wrong than be right. I did not watch the video before making this comment, so I actually didn't realize this game was (in hindsight, very obviously) set in 1200s Germany, which makes the windmills a moot point. The topic of wind and water power in the Middle Ages is something I am absolutely fascinated in (I think I mentioned that I had designed mechanisms in light of it), so I'm a little disappointed in myself for not giving more clarity on it. The engineering of Northern Europe is truly astounding for the time period, and makes the whole narrative of The Renaissance make much less sense. As for Paris, it was hyperbolic, and I should have mentioned Napoleon III, but I just wanted to share how Paris being a World Class city is pretty recent, which I didn't clarify one either. I was mainly talking about Medieval Europe in the light of the stereotypical "Dark Ages," which if used at all (which it shouldn't be, really), is for the hyper specific post-Carolingian Renaissance instability of West Frankia. I'll rewrite that comment as to not spread misinformation. Thanks a million for the clarification, I should've spent more time thinking through what I said. Also, as something of note, I'm from Boston (US), so all of this is from hobby learning/ family trips. I may have infused a little too much Roman bias into it, as I was fresh off a Carolingian Renaissance reading binge, so I'll try to reword it to give more favors to Medieval engineering and Masonry. (For instance, the narrative of the English civilizing Ireland becomes nonsensical when you learn of native Irish Romanesque churches and Brehon law. There's a lot of implicit bias and nationalism in how people interpret history)

I just want to say that I enjoyed your exchange immensely. It's fascinating and educational and I also love how civil you guys are about delivering and receiving critique.

How was the planning and sewage system in the Ottoman Empire? I know that they were very focused on their hygiene

Can you hop off and give the next drider a turn?

Yeah!! Come on.. My turn.

Yo that’s sus bro

Think you need to get a life

Don’t let these haters get to you I’m all for giving your love to the city building daddy

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I think I'm going to have to lose a few times before I win.. haha! Great strategic thinking!