'Let's build a wall around the welfare state, not the United States' 

Why not both? Increase legal safe immigration and crack down on illegal immigration.

Dependence and chaos only benefit one type of political party.

Barred from welfare, yet in NYC they are getting free hotel rooms, education, and prepaid credit cards paid for with tax dollars. Sounds like welfare to me.

At yet we are losing nearly 100k people a year to fentanyl poisoning.

Bravo Nick.

Nick's point on crime is foolish. Illegal immigration is intolerable, you can't have a country without borders.

Sadly, and again, this guys conflates border security with immigration. These are two separate issues.

I wish he would have pounded out the main point.... anyone who wants to come here and work... support themselves.... and NOT violate the rights of others.... is welcome. That is what past immigrants did.... before the expansion of the Welfare State. My grandparents came here and worked... they struggled.... they built a family business.... they never received one dime of government support, nor did they expect any such support. Many of today's immigrants are drawn here because they have been told they can receive government support. THAT is what needs to be stopped.

Doesn't the federal welfare state violate states' rights? If a state does not want to host a welfare dependent population, don't they have a Constitutional right to turn down that funding for their citizens?

I don't know enough about U.S. immigration and it's impact but as a Brit all I need to do is look at the average wage of *lawful* immigrants and see how far below lifetime break-even it is taking into account their expected benefits and state pension. Or look at GDP per capita and look at how it has massively fallen in direct response to immigration. Or look at how difficult it is for British born vocational college and University graduates to get a job and where those jobs are going to, and how little they're paid. As they say, lies, dammed lies and statistics.

We have enough. We don't need more.

Reductive and over simplification of a serious problem, but what else should one expect from Nick Gillespie?

Interesting argument. Go to southern California multiple generations in this country. Ask yourself if they have assimilated and made America prosper. Eliminate EBT and welfare so folks can pick crops or cut grass or clean bathrooms.

Bunch of leftist-lies. ..............

Nick Gillespie is my spirit animal.

Ugh who keeps inviting Cenk to these things??

Are the thousands lining up to protest not being given enough free stuff in New York picking our vegetables? 🎉

We should have safe legal immigration from people who can undoubtedly move here, take care of themselves, share similar values, add to the country. The people pouring into the southern border are not that. They should not be getting welfare. They should be vetted in their country & have relevant in demand skills.

This!

Both. Libertarians can still advocate for a strong border that controls the flow of people and drugs coming through. No border, no country. Also, were not going through an industrial revolution. The silly and naive comparison to immigrants from 100 plus years ago is dumb.

Just because they're doing your laundry and raising your kids instead of you doesn't mean anyone else can afford to live and work on the meager wages that you need to pay them for such services. It is not merely the welfare state which creates a problem for open borders but the regulatory state. A regulatory state that mandate a standard of living upon the rest of us who cannot simply hop across the border to escape and iqnore. A regulatory state that we simply cannot afford to comply with selling our labor at the global market value you import with said immigrants. This is why you must get rid of the welfare state first before we can accept the reduced standard of living the importation of the third world wages requires for the rest of us. You have to get rid of the welfare and regulatory state first. Then we can deal with the issue of locust that open borders creates.

This is silly. No one's ever erected even a fence around the welfare state long term.

How are they "raising our children," if we have an ongoing drop in the fertility rate? (We need these newcomers to replace the children that just don't exist)

How about a wall and no welfare ?

You can remove all need for a public border by simply abolishing social welfare. That should be the priority IMO.

Just like in Escape from NY. that movie was a prediction

Why aren't Europeans Crossing into the U.S.?

Nick doesnt miss!

Why not both?

nation: a population, normally residing in the same geographic region, in which most all the citizens share a common race, religion, language, and culture. This word is VERY often used erroneously in the stead of the term “country”. Therefore, it is highly suggested that one refer to the Glossary entry under “country”, in order to understand the distinction between a “country” and a “nation”. Unfortunately, an enormous percentage of the population has been indoctrinated by leftists to regard NATIONALISM as a malevolent ideology, when in fact, the adherence to a nationalistic framework is beneficial to both the citizenry of a nation and to the world as a whole. Multicultural societies are constantly fraught with conflicts, due to the incompatibility of competing ideologies and practices. Imagine, if you will, that the million most conservative men from an Islamic nation in Middle-east Asia, such as Afghanistan, and the million most feministic women from a liberal country like Canada, were taken to some barren island and asked to establish a new civilization. How harmonious and prosperous do you believe such a mismatch of persons would be? TOTALLY discordant! Furthermore, a variety of national identities is intrinsically beneficial, for nobody would want to travel to another nation if that nation was fundamentally identical to their own nation, except to experience the unique geographical features, diets or climates. I, for one, am glad that I can visit a nation such as Japan in order to experience its unique culture and language, then choose to visit or reside in nations such as Ireland and Egypt in order to experience the unique languages, food, art, dance, cinema, music, religion, and customs of those two nations. Of course, if I decided to reside in a nation where the language and culture differed radically from my own, I would need to adapt. For example, if I were to migrate to a Middle-east Asian nation, such as the one mentioned above, I could not openly criticize the Islamic faith (and especially its founder) without putting my very existence at risk. Upon moving to the Philippines over a decade ago, I found it EXTREMELY easy to acclimatize to its culture, since it is very much a Westernized nation, not dissimilar to the country of my birth, The Southland (that is, “Terra Australis” or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue). “Nation” was first recorded in the thirteenth century, from the Middle English, from Latin “nātiōn-” (stem of “nātiō”), meaning “birth” or “tribe”, equivalent to “nāt(us)” (past participle of “nāscī”, meaning “to be born”) + “-iōn-”. “-ion” a suffix, appearing in words of Latin origin, denoting action or condition, used in Latin and in English to form nouns from stems of Latin adjectives.

I don't let just anyone on my property, so why should the community as a whole let in people they can't vouch for or know?

FOS

Unfortunately, Nick's opening argument was a mixture of good ideas and ivory tower ideas that didn't present a logically consistent argument.

Times change. We never gave them Free Housing free food free clothing free education and debit cards.

These people get incentives unlike natural born Americans. How is this hard to understand? Lol, if I was thrown money, I’d open a business too.

I think more people are interested in exploiting prosperity than expanding it. The arguments presented here were not very compelling

Sure, as soon as we can be positive of who is coming in anyway. Outer walls first, then worry about inner walls. We can't welcome in even more when we have millions pouring in over the border.

This is the issue on which libertarians are most wrong. . We've been told for generations to stop polluting the earth with our potential children, and restricted our breeding accordingly. Instead of cheaper land, higher wages, and cleaner air, our reward has been to be invaded by hostile hordes who have nothing but contempt for the nation. Even in the cases in which the outsider is superior, our loyalty belongs to the people born here. No one's desire for cheap servants should override the long term interests of citizens. Becoming Bangladesh will not be an improvement.

i will never understand why libertarians are against border security

Is that chunk yogurt on the the chair on stage? From TYT.

It's amazing seeing a lot of so-called "libertarians" in the comments arguing for immigration restrictions. I guess if Elizabeth Warren is a capitalist then those people can be libertarians...

Sure, we should let more people immigrate legally. At the same time, we need to know who is coming over. Close the border and allow more people to come legally.

A border wall could be used by some future president to keep us from leaving. Be careful what you ask for.

My position on immigration is the same as my position on slavery. They need to close the plantations

What you say is idealistic and just not so.

I respect Nick Gillespie for not caving in to the ethnos.

Nick Gillespie is dishonest when he mischaracterizes the opposition to open borders as favoring prohibition. It is typical of capital L libertarians to think and argue in extremes. It is disappointing to see such arguments made in any debate. It's not useful.

Sounds nice, but you also need to throttle the rate of immigration and have strong cultural incentives to assimilate. (Which doesn’t mean you have to adhere 100% to all American beliefs and traditions, just that you adopt the core values and ideals of America like free speech and the right to bear arms) Unfettered immigration combined with multiculturalism will lead to a drastic cultural shift that breaks down the foundations for maintaining liberty.

This guy should run for president! I’d throw my vote away on him LOL All jokes aside, he would make a good president!

Watch 'Immigration by Gumballs' the video...

Nicely done, Nick! :)

5:52,….prescient & on point.

Half baked logic

"...get on with the business of building the future of our country rather than trying to restore a tattered, imagined past." This eloquent quote is pertinent to much more than immigration.

Typical libertarians

there's more security at the entrance to Disneyland then at the United States southern border. that is just ridiculous at its face.

Why not both?