Let's Talk About Ferrus Manus As Part Of The Legion Of The Damned - 40K Theories 

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I personally LOVE this idea. Ferrus deserves more attention and this is a pretty badass way to bring him back.

What if this Emperor's attack left the psychic imprint in the Warp that later shaped into Legion of the Damned? Like chaos gods weren't truly awoken at first, but still were given shape by the humanities history. And the reason why he hasn't appeared is because it takes too much energy for him to do that, that's why lesser beings like Legion of the Damned were sighted much more often than Living Saints and alike.

Honestly, I'd love to see this theory become true. Imagine a headless horseman primarch or Ghost Rider primarch coming in on a flaming attack bike leading other Legion of the Damned into battle. That sounds so cool! And it would give Ferrus so much more to him since his lore was brief and boring before his death. But 40k Theories' idea for Ferrus not being a part of the Legion of the Damned makes sense, and would be a logical explanation for the wording used in that very passage. So either way, it was a cool passage in the book, and both theories are really good.

Consider that every appearance of the Legion of The Damned is pretty much brief, im not sure that counterargument holds too much weight. Its possible that the Emperor's action here inadvertently CREATED the Legion of the Damned, with Ferrus Manus being a member, equally as mych as it being coincidence.

3:59 Next episode will be "What if Ferrus Manus came back as the Quantum Ranger?"

The reason we haven't seen ghost Ferrus leading the Legion of the Damned yet is that it hasn't narratively gotten bad enough yet to warrant him appearing, it'd have to be some sort of End Times moment for that kind of reveal.

I've always had a similar interpretation of what occurred during MoM and saw it more as the emperor having a shounen moment, where he thinks of Ferrus and the fallen space marines fighting in his name, and it strengthens his psychic abilities.

I agree with your assessment. He’s not a member of the Legion of the Damned. His evocation in that scene is ADB’s way of demonstrating, wordlessly, that the Emperor does care about those that have died in this war. One of the running threads through MoM is the notion that the Emperor is uncaring of his subjects/creations. That he is dispassionate and aloof. Yet these are the interpretation of Custodes and Mechanicum members, and as is intimated in the novel, the perception of the Emperor is tailored to the observer’s expectations. Thus we can’t necessarily believe what we hear the Emperor say. What we can believe are his actions. In those we can see what he cares about. Getting off the Golden Throne was a risk, one that could have ended The Dream then and there, but the Emperor does it to aid the people retreating from the War in the Webway. He could have closed the gate and left them to their fate. Would have been more assured, a safer option, but he didn’t. He went to save people. We also learn that he’s willing to allow a thousand innocent people to be strapped to a pain engine until death in order to do it. We also learn that in the purest moment of his rage, when it manifests in the real world, that it takes the form of the dead of Istvaan, and at its fore is the first son he lost to this war. He does care for them and their loss. His rage is laced with grief. We can’t accurately judge the Emperor by his words but we can by his deeds.

I’ve been advocating for this for ages. It would add a lot to the otherwise least interesting Primarch.

Well, all of the Primarchs are warp beings in some way. I believe Primarchs can be slain, but like any daemon their spirit still exists in the Warp even if their physical body is dead. I think it was confirmed in some way with the new novel about El'Jonson.

Personally, this will always be my headcanon. I'd like to imagine there was an initial legion of the damned from istvaan 3 and 5, then the firehawks and other astartes added to it over time

Oh so its like Sekiha Tenkyoken Burger King Kamehameha attack from G Gundam but its Ferrus' Face.

What if he would be like a greater demon and thus needed more power to summon? That could be precisely why he hasn't been seen. Resource expenditure on limited psychic power and all.

That was some excellent voice work-props to Stephanie.

I appreciate the idea of the Legion of the Damned as Imperial Daemons, and I think to some extent the idea of them being the betrayed of Istvan makes sense. I also think that the lore makes a big deal about *any* Primarch appearance, and none of them have been seen in thousands of years (obvious exceptions being Guilliman and the Lion) so it makes sense that Ferrus was only seen the once at the Emperor's explicit call, rather than the "less important" times that the Legion made their appearance. You have to imagine that compared to the living saints and the regular legion soldiers, manifesting a Primarch's disembodied soul would have to take a *lot* of energy, and Big E hasn't exactly been flush with that over the past 10k years. It would be more like creating a Daemon Prince than the more basic Daemons of the legion, and that's just a feat that doesn't deserve the occasional aid of the warp ghosts that Emps throws around. Now, if there were some massive event - say, a warp rift tearing the galaxy in half - that gave the Emperor a massive power boost, and there was a good reason for Ferrus to be putting his death-rage to use - perhaps Fulgrim finally doing something for once - maybe there'd be a reason for Ferrus to properly have his apotheosis and return to the lore as a full Imperial Daemon Prince. Then again, knowing GW's sense of writing, he's going to be brought back as a Legion of the Damned Primarch (tooootallly not a Daemon Prince) because - I don't know, the most random choice? - Omegon threw off his disguise, only to completely recorporealize after touching some necron corpse to get his necrodermis back before punching his brother back into obscurity and high-fiving Jaghatai (who also showed up for no reason) and racing back down the webway to the imperial palace to give a stern talking to their dad before running back out to promote their new models - I mean SAVE THE IMPERIUM! ...but if we wanted to complain about GW's sense of plot, we'd be here whinging until they gave TTS the right to continue, so we just have to wait and see if they have some contrivance for Ferrus to be brought up again, or if the Iron Hands will continue to get shafted until they run out of literally every other idea...

Well I'm converting my Guilliman model into a LOTD Ferrus so that I can Will this concept into official existence :D I think Aaron Demski-Bowden knew what he was doing and was planting a seed that himself or future writers can expand on if they want to. He probably also didn't want to write it more explicitly because half the fun of 40k is that almost nothing is certain.

That attack of physic fire felt exactly how you explained it. It was the Emperor channeling his rage and it took the form of the betrayed and fallen. It wasn't the Legion of the Damned or even a precursor, just a big Ferrus shaped fire ball. I can see how people would think it was the LoD, but its more than likely not nor was it meant to be.

In the unlikely event that this gets noticed, I’ve thought of a good theory prompt: is it possible to create more primarchs from scratch, and have any such projects been attempted? Lore precedence might be Fabuis Bile’s Primarch clones, his ‘new man’ project, and the ‘War of the False Primarch’ possibly being the result an attempt to create a new primarch or primarch-like being that went horribly wrong…or horribly right.

I always took that line as the wrath of a grieving father.

Can you do a lore update for each faction? I love the lore but can't keep up with everything and as an Ork Nob myself,can't read. Don't have to go super in depth but kinda an overview of important things and characters? I know things will change constantly. Love you!

I think if ADB did intend to introduce a LotD Primarch thing, there is always the possibility to introduce a rule like Manus' soul wasn't fully tuned to the warp, it took to be big E to summon him only for a moment, but only after 11 milenia the warp ghost found a way to manifest is presence in the materium for a few hours thanks to the help of a radical inquisitor we never heard of.

It has been 0 days since the mentioned of "Drach'nyen, Echo of the First Murder"

Happy you talked about Ferrus Manus being a Damned Legion Primarch

This is one of the times that a really really appreciate lore people actually reading the text. The fandom loves spreading half truths and you just reading the line in full shows that it clearly just is a "Ferrus shapes fireball"and not the primarc reborn

It's pretty much inevitable that GW brings back Ferrus, so I think this theory is one of the best ways they could do it, a vengeful spirit protecting the imperium, is better than, "cawl glued his head back on" or something

" A Ferrus Manus shaped fireball" I can't help but laugh, poor Manus XD

I like that way to bring him back.

I'd love for Ferrus and my beloved Xth legion to get some love, but I also would get behind a mind engram like the Pontius from Eisenhorn that was placed into a body of steel. Would be an intriguing irony that Ferrus Manus, who wanted to cure his sons of their technological addictions, would be trapped in a purely mechanical body. Utterly without precedent or setup but it could be done in a number of different ways like a Cyberpunk-esque 1-1 brain scan, the Necron Biotransference, or the mind replication of SOMA.

THANK YOU!!! Thank you for saying what I've been saying forever: that this instance is NOT the LoD appearing and is just a psychic attack. Ever since I first started hearing people call this the LoD's first appearance, I've been pointing out the flaws of the idea and you just put a big name behind one of them. I've always said the attack was just an Emperor-level Smite (Smite is a general-purpose basic attack 'spell' and it can take different forms depending on who casts it, so it taking the form of the Emperor's 'grief' is far from unlikely). Now do I think the idea of Ferrus Manus being in the LoD would be cool? Definitely. But I've yet to see any evidence of that happening at all.

DM: What do you want to do? Emperor: I cast fireball shape of Ferrus.

I always wonder if Ferrus Manus survived the Dropsite Massacre and the Horus Heresy, would he have succeeded in swaying his Iron Hands Legion into not getting too much replacing their flesh with cybernetics and adopt pro-transhuman ideals of strengthening their Imperial Guard allies to fight for the Man-Emperor of Mankind better and more effectively?

True leader of the Legion of the Damned in a Contemptor Pattern Dreadnaught.

Whilst it would be very cool for Manus to become a member of the Legion of The Damned, the wording is key here. As stated, Manus was briefly manifested. As for there being no primaris LoTD, I think this is more down to GW barely even mentioning them in 8th or 9th ed. The legion was at the Fall of Cadia, but since then, I haven't seen or heard anything (of course, it is possible I missed future reference). Even the rules for the LoTD were moved to Legends, although the rules were missing for Sergeant Centurius (I know he's a 2nd ed limited edition model, but damn it I want to field him again lol)

Hey here's a 40k mystery for ya; whatever happen to The Vaults of Terra? Not the one the custodes guard, the RU-vid channel. Anyone remember that channel?

IMHO *all* of the Legion of the Damned count as "briefly" reborn and basically are astartes-shaped fireballs

I like both the idea and your explanation of why it's not the case. I also don't see a reason why he can't be the "primarch" of the legion of the damned either. When the emperor and malcador played their game and the emperor spoke of fixing his headless ferrus symbolic stand in when he has time (this fixing motif coming up again fairly recently in the robute/mortarion fight), this plants a seed for the emperor doing something else with him... Now, if the legion of the damned are some kind of daemons of the emperor, then presumably summoning the greater daemon that ferrus would be equivalent to would be very power intensive which could explain why he personally hasn't made an appearance because it's not like the legion of the damned have enough power reserves to turn up every time the imperium has been in some kinda of danger... And the I'll get round to fixing that when I've got time covers a multitude of sins 😂

I think you over looked something that has generally applied to daemons across 40k Bloodletters, Plaguebearers, Daemonettes, and Horrors are all lesser daemons of Chaos and therefor do not require particularly strong connections to the warp relatively speaking. However Bloodthirsters, Great Unclean ones, Keepers of Secrets etc.. all require a world to have the veil of reality heavily damaged or a particularly strong ritual to support the warp energies needed foe their existence. In this same manner the Emperor who is in the same relative powerscale as the Chaos Gods would likely have his Damned Legionnaires as the lesser daemons whilst Ferrus is akin to a Greater Daemon of the Emperor or even on the same tier as the Daemon Primarchs. So following this train of thought if the Emperor could "Summon" 30 Legionnaires todo the job or 300 of them at a much lower requirement than having Daemon Ferrus and a significant force of Legionnaires i think just summoning a bunch of Legionnaires would be the prudant choice

THE FLESH IS WEAK BUT DEEDS ENDURE!

I can see GW making him a part of the legion as a way to sell new models for that faction.

Keep up the good work

Luckily I don't drink😊 I'm honestly on the fence with this one, because to be fair the LotD usually only appear 'briefly' at moments of crisis anyways. But fair enough, a Primarch sized one would definately have been referenced somewhere!

Even Aaron Dembski Bowden ( the author of the book in which this appears ) said that he wasn't referring to Ferrus Manus in the passage "the 10th Son of a dying empire"

Ghost Rider Ferrus would be amazing

I love these ramble videos of yours @40kTheories! I think that while Ferrus Manus being part of the Legion of the Damned is cool, you are correct that someone would have probably noticed a tall giant with silver hands among the ranks of these ghosts when they show up lol. You are also right that the power move delivered by the Emperor in "MoM" was symbolic: it certainly was a good way for Ferrus to strike back at those who caused his death considering the loyalists are on the back foot for most of the Heresy. Thanks again for another cool video battle brother!

One thing I think you seem to be missing is all the books written were Before master of mankind. The lore wasn't there as the idea wasn't there.... yet. Now, moving forward, the idea can be expanded upon.

The fire wave was the 40k equivalent of the scene in LLord of the Rings where Elrond commands the River Bruininen to wash away the Nazgul. Gandalf made it have the appearance of horses and riders , riding them down. Just a bit of fire flavour from Big E

with GW slowly bringing back the Primarchs in the 40k setting I could see them using this idea as a way of getting Ferus back into the picture. They've even dropped subtle hints of Sanguinius (who is also dead, spoilers) possibly being able to return with the Black Library Black Legion novels depicting strange crystal forms of his soul appearing all over the Vengeful Spirit.

The first-betrayed Brother eternally burning in anguish, spite and lust for vengeance would be insanely cool. Expansion of this idea: The Legion could have been formed by the betrayed dead of Istvan, and Ferrus' burning hatred and anguish was the "spark" that solidified them with enough aetheric energy, will and need to bind thier souls and purpose in this way. His will and might essentially being the... "Essence" or hivemind of the Legion, like a ghostly puppetmaster.

It would be an interesting way too "Bring him back" and also give them another door too explore all the Imperial Activities in the Warp.

Although ADB is on record as saying "no" he is the one who wrote "the tenth son of a dying Empire" into the scene so he only has himself to blame if we think that it's true :D I suppose one could split hairs between being a part of the Legion of the Damned and leading the Legion of the Damned.

the briefness of his appearance may be in reference to the nature in which the legion of the damned appar and then disappeared suddenly in battle

Great video.

yeah, i'd *like* for that line in MoM to be grounds for bringing Ferrus into 40k (and expanding/refreshing the Legion of the Damned model line), but I had the exact same takeaway when I first read the source

I’d love for the Legion of the Damned to come back out of legends with a new kit. Very tempting to kitbash a Ferris Manus primarch into a LotD diorama.

I think Ferrus Manus is the LoD Primarch, and that Big E's psychic attack (inadvertently) created them, because 40k's golden rule is the rule of cool, and that scenario is, imo, the coolest one.

Here's how I see it as a fan of the Iron Hands, Ferrus has little in the way of story in comparison to his due to him being cut a little short in the heresy. It leaves you a bit sour, mainly cause what little personality of him that was written, wasn't super fleshed out. One thing to note however was his determination and will, out of all he would've been one of the most loyal. To get to the point, I dont want Ferrus back for the Iron Hands, they are cool because they lost so much, and gave into everything opposed to their fathers teaching, bar their loyalty and will. Why I want Ferrus to be of the Damned is to show, even in death he serves, he is the Iron Will of the Emperor and one of his last guards, that he wasnt just the easy to kill off primarch and effective nothing child. I dont want a tabletop unit, but if the Damned got new rules or lore, I would love maybe a strat or unit power to be Fury of the tenth, so that Ferrus can be that fireball that pushes the tide, a last stand, last resort because of how much psychic will it must take to bring him in, like Celestine. Anyhow thats my rant.

Kinda like Gandalf making the raging water look like white horses🤔 hmm I like it

It could be later stated that a primarch soul was not compatible with the technique long term so Big E only uses Marines going forward. And Ferris basically burns out during the war in the webway

Rule of cool says heck yeah Ferrus is definitely one of the legion of the damned. Kinda makes me want to get a model of the guy and paint him with the legion's quintessential bones and fire.

My only issue thinking about it not being ferrus even though you do make a lot of valid points, it's the fact that the emperor had to cut reality to summon them if it was just his own power why would he need to do that

(A parchment of flesh with blood as ink and stink of warp residue appears at Remleiz's door) "Power Ranger and Ghost Rider? Thanks for new nicknames for my brother when I see him, Dinobot. I mean, probably more stories about the Legion of the Damned or Alpha Legion jobs than Iron Hands, like, ever, and the Iron Warriors get more recognition when we talk about ferro things in this grim dark future, so Ferry could use a new job and moniker this side of the Styx to drum up his ego and business. Better call Saul Tarvitz marketing decision, ya know what I'm getting at?" - A plasteel clasp holding folded skin, forming a screaming human face when extended, is attached, with the words "Your No. 1 fan! From Konrad :)"

I think 'briefly' here refers to the short event of the fight. Personally I think this is basically where the Legion of the Damned was born. The Emperor's fury was so intensely channeled that he for the first time essentially manifested Saints. I don't think people who have seen the Legion of the Damned would necessarily notice one of them being larger. You'd be kind of distracted by the fact that up until a few seconds ago you thought you were going to die and then suddenly an army on fire steps out of nowhere and starts marching silently on your enemy.

Agree, it Was Ferrus/his soul and a proto Legion of the Dammed summoned by the Emperor in a tight spot, but as you said "Briefly". The true legion of the dammed come later created from the warp by the combined beliefs of space marines (the fallen "going to fight at the Emperors side") and later mankind as a whole

I haven't read the book that this passage is from personally, but I believe, personally, that Ferrus Manus being the head (hue) of the LoTD is one of those headcanons/crack theories that is so universally beloved that it may very well transcend from headcanon to true canon, in the coming years. Personally, I agree with you and the comments below where people say that this is a very interesting and unique concept to flesh out one of the least developed and underwhelming Primarchs. Ferrus bears the unfortunate, but essential title as "The one who died first" of the Primarchs. Somebody had to be first, and I weep for any Iron Hand fans, as it must be disappointing to know their favourite legion effectively had to sit out the entire Horus Heresy to top it off. However, just as a loaf of bread must have the end slices that are all crust, a galaxy wide civil war needs it's first casualty. Personally, I think that in the future, as more Loyalist primarchs are brought back to flesh out the pantheon (wether they should or should not is irrelevant) Ideas like Warp-Corvus and LoTD Ferrus Manus will become full on canon, and be embraced by GW with the same fanfare as the Lion's return. Personally.

I love the idea of Ferrus being the legion of the damned's leader/primarch... I agree with you that it doesn't sound like the intention in the novel, and it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to not be known already unless they add some massive revelation to what's going on in I-space, or the remnant of the Imperial webway project, to explain why he's not been seen in any of the conflicts where the damned showed up... but... given that the primarks are returning, and they'll probably want to keep the numbers even, this would be a possible way to return one of the canonically dead loyal primarks that would fit with the lore... it would look damn cool, you can't tell me a damned Ferrus wouldn't be a cool mini... and GW likes money, so they'll probably want to return as many of the primarks to the setting as possible...

Goddamn, I wish it was true. The idea of Ferrus essentially being given his own vengeful spirit form not only feels fitting for his nature, but I also want it because it will allow me to say that it fits his "heavy handed" nature.

So Adric talked about Ferrus and the Iron Hands a few weeks back and while they say that Ferrus is boring, his death is what made the Iron Hands very interesting. Some mourned still, some move on, some downright hate Ferrus and claim him weak. Their own primarch. Now, they obsess over the very thing Ferrus hated. He hated weakness, but he hated removing flesh to remove weakness. I do like the idea of a Legion of the damned Ferrus but there's arguement if he came back, it would hurt what made Iron Hands interesting. So while I do like the idea of damned Ferrus, on the other hand, they kinda have a point. Then again, the idea of bring Ferrus back if such a thing ever happened would need extra care to make interesting at all.

I think you are right but that doesnt mean you will always be so if you get what i mean. Theres been enough hints over the years that slain primarchs could be restored. Him comming back as semi wraithlike would be a good way of differentiating his return from others as well as showing that no return is truly complete.

I think it would add to his arc of nature overcoming technology, his spirit overcoming the death of his physical body

My theory is one of the Lost is leading them. As to why we haven't seen The Legions Primarch is probably because...there isn't a reason for them to show themselves on the battlefield since your standard Legionary can handle just about anything Chaos can throw at it. Could be interesting to see a sorta Primaris version of them.

I read a short story about the Emperor and Malchador playing chess and reference to the emperor having to sacrifice the "Iron General" saying that he'd have to fix that given time. The fact that we have shards of Magnus soul and remenants of Sanguinus soul still hanging around, Guillimans soul being brought back from death when he was revived? Perhaps it was a shard of Ferrus? Or his soul being summond from the warp? We know the primarchs are tied to the warp, perhaps it was his soul given form by the emperor rather than just his form in a fireball?

We all know that Ferrus Manus’ body is locked up somewhere on Mars and will come back as a giant mech.

Gandolf has an example in LotR with the horses made of water.

Should also be mentioned that Malcador heavily implied Ferrus could have been brought back had he and the Emperor had enough time. We still don’t fully know what a Primarch is or what their full potential is in uncorrupted form. Even Sanguinius and Horus still have echoes in the warp and they were obliterated on the highest possible level in 40k.

I absolutely love this idea and with how GW is returning the primarchs, it's no hard guess that Fulgrim is going to come back in 10th ED with The Emperor's Children so we FINALLY HAVE ALL FIVE BIG CHAOS LEGIONS represented on tabletop (seriously i still think it's weird how little slannesh and the EC's got toted despite being...yknow...what they are) so you picture how all this has been going down magnus is around causing havoc for tzeentch but no primarch to stop him (yet) Mortarion shows up, in response you got gulliman Angron shows up, in response you have The Lion fulgrim has to show up and it would be no greater hype train than none other than for Fulgrim to have to face Ferrus and his betrayed sons on every planet he tries to take, eveyr battle wittling this daemon primarch more and more just like rylanor's stand did and it doesn't even mean Ferrus and his new Legion have to be permenant, they could say they are constantly manifested in the great rift, acting as border patrol or aid for the secluded systems or they still show up from time to time now you just have Ferrus show up to REALLY counter somethinG AND EVEN BETTER, let's say after ferrus, a primarch of the forge and machine, you got Perturabo and The Iron Warriors (to represent Vashtor) and then Vulcan or Dorn to both return in kind as well each son meeting their match, their counter, their better/worse half

I think it could go either wya. 'Briefly took the shape of the tenth son of a dying empire' could mean either 'a ferris mannus shaped fireball' or 'the man briefly manifested in the mateirum as a ferrus mannus shaped fireball.' And it's ambiguous enough that either is possible and whichever is more profitable is the one GW will go with.

I hope we do see a Legion of the Damned Ferris Manus, it would be epic to see him combat the likes of the demon primarchs.

I mean Ferris did say something along the lines of in the fulgrim book "through me his vengeance will be carried out" or in outcast dead we have astropath's from terra making contact with the iron hands saying "he will be the emperor's vengeance" before they made planetfall to Istvan V.that may have been graham mcneil's dramatic licence but hey it's there.

I agree that it probably wasn't the original intent but frankly it should absolutely become the reality. Aside from being a great excuse to bring back the Primarch who drew the short straw in the cool way, it also ties into the fact that these were beings that were bound to the warp and part of it, they can't truly die as a result. Plus you have the fact that other aspects of dead primarchs have shown up, such as the Sanguinor

This would be an incredible twist, if instead of Leman Russ or Corax as people expect, the next loyalist Primarch returning is flaming Ghost Rider Ferrus and new Legion of the Damned models. Imagine the community reaction…

People do tend to forget about the LotD after they leave like they are wiped from their memory.

Hear me out. The Lion woke up and had accidentally dreamt up this warp-adjacent forest place despite not being one of the more psychically empowered Primarchs. If the clone of Fulgrim is stewing in guilt about killing Ferris, managed to escape, couldn't get anyone to trust him because who would, but then is aided in a moment of need by the Legion of the Damned, an ephemeral, one-dimensional Ferrus being "reborn" from the Warp as its leader could be a really cool way to play into a Fulgrim redemption arc. It'd also bring Ferrus back without invalidating his death.

Sergeant Centurius, the limited Ed LotD character had a skull in his hand and the skull did shenanigans (I don't recall specifics, it was like 30 years ago). Ferrus lost his head, and Centurius carries one... One with captain studs however. Ferrus could be one of the emperor's "holy" daemon primarchs? That could be cool

My opinion on all this is sort of based on a headcanon theory I have about afterlife in the imperium. See, the emperor may or may not have started off as a warp god, but it's obvious he at least sort of is one now. With that being the case, he of course would have his own sort of domain, in which would live all the faithful dead imperial citizens, guardsmen, it possibly serves as a base of operations for the legion of the damned, etc. etc. So personally, I think that when Ferrus died, he possibly ended up here, and from there would be able to be sent out by the emperor as almost the imperial equivalent of a greater demon, a tactic that the emperor for whatever reason only uses once. It possibly was Ferrus Manus himself, but maybe just not as part of the legion of the damned, just as sort of a reinforcement for them in that moment to help take down Drachnean.

OKAY, so bear with me here. The theory goes that the legion of the damned are basically the imperial daemons. So the immaterium>materium rules that apply to chaos daemons would apply to them as well. In most basic terms, the more powerful you want your summon to be, the more powerful the psyker performing the summoning has to be. Or in some cases the collective psychic presence. And just like with normal chaos sorcerers, a low tier sorcerer performing the summoning will get a random bloodletter or a random plaguebearer. Whereas if you wish to summon a daemon prince out of the warp you need an immensely powerful psyker or a group of them on top of knowing exactly which daemon prince you're summoning. In this particular scenario if Ferrus Mannus' soul did indedd join the ranks of the damned he would be the equivallent of imperial daemon prince. And the reason why we havent seen him more often is because it would take an Emperor (or Magnus, but fat chance of that ever happening) tier psyker to 1. Have the psychic strength and stamina to summon Ferrus; 2. Even be aware of the fact that Ferrus is an imperial daemon. After all, you can't summon something you arent aware of (exclusions apply)

I think it opens up the possibility for the emperor to manifest ghost rider ferrus under certain or extreme circumstances

for a second i misread the title of this video as "Let's talk about the damned Ferrus Manus theory" like you were tired of having this one quoted at you.

I suppose a counter argument to make in favour of Ferrus being part of the LOTD is that he may just not have needed to appear himself. Or if he has it just wasn't recorded or the battles were lost or something. Granted, I'm making a few assumptions as to how the Legion works but if they appear on multiple battlefields across the Imperium it's reasonable that some things may be omitted or slip through the cracks. Besides it's not like Robute Guilleman or Marneus Calgar lead the charge whenever the Ultramarines go to battle.

Just some food for thought. The emperor is more than capable of capturing and holding a soul of a primarch. He did it with the Khan and he mentioned fixing morty. There is evidence that the emperor also made the souls of the primarchs so when he "briefly" created a image of the 10th son what's to say he didn't use his actual soul. Now wether the legion of the damned are flesh and blood, or more align with warp like spirit marines saved and made by the emperor would have to be determined to make a connection between the two. And leading into another theory, what if ferrus was originally creates to battle chaos spawns and his traits were used in that fight?

I personally believe that he is. It's just that if there are all dead loyalist astartes of Istvaan within legion of the damned, then there are a LOT of astartes in there (especially by 40k standards where you have just chapters, we're talking dozens of times more astartes than what anyone can see together even in most of large campaigns in 40k). And I don't suppose that each time legion of the damned shows up that it shows up with 100% of their members. So Ferrus might be member of the legion of the damned, but simply doesn't show up all the time the legion shows up.

The idea that Ferrus is a member of the legion (i wouldn't say leader because they just get summoned somewhere and kill all the bad things in sight) is new so previous depictions won't show that. It'll maybe become clearer the next time gw deigns to mention them

Would be amazing to see a Legion of the Damned Ferris Manus now that Gw has improved there Plastic casting, but also I don't get how it can be "Istvaan Dead" when the base models had Mk7+ armour types since 2nd edition. I wouldn't mind it if the models were shown some lore love.

"Would Zordon have been a better parent than the Emperor?" Or alternatively "Is Tommy Oliver one of the lost primarchs?"

Depending on HOW Ferrus Manus died, he was behead, but the condition of his mind and/or soul, it might be possible for him to actually be the Primarch of the Legion of the Damned. Or, as is desired/suspected of Sanguinius, that he will return as a "Greater Deamon", or "Archangel", of the Emperor. But I can NOT rightly imagine GW will leave the Dead Primarchs lay forever.

Ferrus Manus will become a Stand that all Iron Hands will be able to summon.

The Legion of The Damned are such an awesome concept that's really underused. Fucking sucks that they're a background element of the lore now.

For this to just be a "Fireball" of some description somewhat argues that the Emporer is sentimental, which I think has been proven very unlikely especially given Guilliman's conversation with him. To me, this means that even if it isnt Legion of the Damned specifically, it had to have been Ferrus in some "real" way.

Here's what I think: Yes, Ferrus Manus is the Primarch of the legion of the damned but the reason why we haven't seen him is because he is either still fighting with the majority of the legion, minus those that appear in realspace, in the webway outside of the tear Magnus caused. Or the reason we haven't seen him is because he is hunting Fulgrim, and due to the hedonistic tendencies of Snake-grim and the Emperor's children following him there hasnt been any survivors or any sane enough to be taken seriously about a flaming headless giant following in the wake of Snake-grim

I mean... The Legion of ths Damned having a Ferrus shaped prayer missle sounds pretty sick to me.