LG C4 OLED TV Is Not Using MLA, Should You Get This Over QD-OLED TV? 

This video is critical of the C series, but I don't want you to see it as an attack on LG or that I hate LG products. That could be further from the truth I am a fan of TVs in general. I own 2 LG OLED TVs one of them is my go to computer monitor, if your familiar with my channel you know the G3 was one of my highest rated TVs last year and I rated it as my 2nd best TV for movies. The G4 was also one of my favorite TVs I saw at CES 2024. However we can't pretend like QD-OLED isn't the same price as the C series right now. This why I wanted MLA to come to the C series just like you to bring more competition to Samsung and when the A11 was rumored I thought this could help the C4 but again I was disapointed to hear when it was announced it was just for the G series, I too felt like LG was missing the mark and that this choice was forcing people to look at setting their sites on the G4. Just want to be clear, that all I want is more competition in that mid level price range where the C series sits and my goal is just overall better products at the end of the day.

I bought the Samsung QN90C and returned it and bought the LG C2 and I'm much happier with the color accuracy. I didn't like the over saturated colors on the QN90C and I spent more time trying to fix the colors when watching movies. The LG C2 colors were perfect right away so I could finally enjoy watching it

I agree with KG, LG OLED prices need to come down. As much as I like OLED, I'm having a hard time justifying the prices, especially when mini-led are getting so much better.

Give me QD-OLED 42". LG C-series is the cheapest OLED 4K monitor that's why is so popular. S90C 55" is bit too big for most of the people.

I totally agree. LG should have launched the C4 with the first generation MLA at least. Access to the best technology at more affordable price is key for competing in a market where QD oled and mini LED are showing off in the sub premium segment.

Either the c4 needs to drop significantly in price or it needs to get the latest mla tech.

Hey KG, your videos get better and better. Thank you for this 🤗

Yo. I need your advice if possible please. Or what would be your choice. Need to decide betwen 3 TVs with price very similar price tag right now in my country. Samsung S95C 65 inch LG C4 65 inch LG B4 77 inch Not sure if size in this case ply role and better go lower quality panel but bigger or smaller with better panel. Thanks a lot for any asnwer :) Have a nice one.

Spot on, I agree. Which in turn made me go with the Sony last year with a a80l in 83”. They don’t have mla in 83” last year. And after getting a Sony, I’m sold on their processing!

Hi there, since you are talking about a QD OLED , can you please compare Samsung S95 or 90c with the Sony A95L, just like how you did this comparison , that would be very very useful , thanks

Your thoughts on the 42’ C4 vs Samsungs W-OLED version which is apparently also W-OLED? Is there any reason you’d go with the Samsung in that comparison? It’s nice to see they are bumping the C4 to 144hz

Great video KG I tend to agree with you about this topic regarding the LG C4. This C series needs much more improvements to compete with the other OLED technology that has taken over the spotlight. I think they need more then just the G4 to stay afloat. You really nailed it on the head with your thoughts and comments. The one thing I like that they did for the G4 is give you the option of wall mounting or a stand. If I decide this year to go for a G4 I will try to get one with a stand. Or I might hold off until. 2025 for the 4000 nit version of the G4.😊

Would you pay £300 fpr the C3 or £600 for the C4? My C2 has damaged pixels and Richersounds will only offer a voucher. So unsure in which to get next for PC

samsungs quantum processors are really good tv processors. Yes, you pay a bit of a premium for their QLEDs even with their entry level Q60c models, but imo it's worth it.

Half the screen went dim on my Samsung led, still under warranty only had it 2 years and some change, they’ll be replacing it or giving a credit. Im thinking about getting a new tv. I was thinking tcl qm8, I’m not sure about the Samsung s90c because my prior Samsung panel failed, but it’s between the 2. What do you think, is it too dim for daylight gaming and what’s the reliability like?

Still have my CX and up to now still good looking tv and picture quality no issues, thinking to get G4 but is just hard to replace the CX.

I'm about as excited for the c4 as I was for the 3,2,1... minimal change but interested to see how it stacks up vs qdoled... I'm really only interested tho in a 240hz

I bought an 85-inch TCL QM8 for about $1900 after tax. I had a C2 back when and I'm MORE impressed by the QM8 than I was by the C2

Without the new AI processing exclusive to the G4, it falls behind the 2023 A80L!

How are LG tv's as far as longevity? I bought one when 3d came out and loved it for the brief period it worked.

I’ve started to notice this myself. I have an LG GX from 2020 and I’d like a new tv that’s bigger than my current 55 inch OLED and instead of looking at the LG OLEDs, now I’m eyeing the Sony QD-OLEDs

Totally agree, even after 10+ years of manufacturing OLED panels costs should have gone down drastically but LG decided to keep niche instead of making it a product for masses. I see even 42inch OLEDs just $200 or 10% around less than 55inch OLED which is just loot for enthusiasts who wanted 4K OLED monitors for Gaming/Desktop. Samsung S90C and S95C is almost 35-40% cheaper here than C3 and G3 which says alot. On top of it LG wasnt innovating enough in terms of OLED brightness until QD-OLEDs threatened them then they came up with MLA. The C3 price range has become like high end top of the line while its performance is still 2nd or 3rd compared to competition as well as LG G3 itself. Some LG A3 series costs same as 144hz mini leds from Hisense TCL etc.

I picked up the C4 48 inch to upgrade my Sony 900E computer monitor. This one doesn't get as bright as the 55 and above. I think it's rated between 775-800 nits which is ok. I don't need a bright image blasting me in my face while I'm working 3 feet from my screen. I wanted the 42 inch, but the 42 cost exactly the same as my 48 inch. I didn't think it made sense, especially since I have the space for it. In terms of performance, created a bunch of custom resolutions with 144hz. The TV does 120 hz native, but not 144. I had to enable 144hz boost, and create the customer resolution to see it. Is 144hz from 120hz a big deal? No, not at all, hard press to tell the difference. I also have a 166 hz LG 1440P 32 inch monitor and it's hard to tell the difference between 166 and 120hz. You have to zoom and study an edge, or focus strictly on certain movement. To be honest, 100 hz is all you need as it feels better than 60, you can tell by the motion and controls it's higher than 60. But from 100-166, you have to look for it, and if you have to look for it, it's not a big deal. In terms of my experience, I mostly use Cinema for media playback with my customization. For work, I'm using standard with the OLED light and black levels turned down to the 30s. It's still plenty of bright for work without searing my eyes. For games, it's game optimizer or cinema. Was this the TV I wanted? No, I wanted a 48 inch version of Hisense UN8, but it never came out. Is this better than my Sony 900E? Absolutely, it blows the doors off the 900E in image quality and smoothness. The Sony 900E was limited to 1080P 120 hz. Now you could do a custom resolution and maybe get 80-90 hz at 1270P. However I wanted 1440P or higher at 120hz. For the record you absolutely can tell the difference between 4K and 1440P, even on a native 1440P screen. I also prefer gloss or matt displays.

Any idea why my 65in C1 turns off after 30sec? The screen looks fine but it just keeps turning off 😠

Was the C4 shown at CES this year?

i was looking into gettin a a C4 to replace my aging C9 but im gona pull the trigger on a G4 instead

Love my 42 C2 OLED to death but yeah the really low brightness in game mode kinda blows. Most of the time I just leave it at ISF Expert Bright which ultimately renders Game Mode useless. The only way they can convince me to go with the 55in C4 (since I’ll be turning my 42 C2 into a gaming monitor) is for Samsung’s matte finish for the S95D to completely suck.

100 like, good topic KG

I was thinking about going to Mini LED TV, but then I looked up the response times online and on RU-vid by Monitors Unboxed. It turns out it's also a VA panel which is known to have worse response times because of black smearing. For gaming sake, im going TN or OLED for the best response times.

The samsung QD OLED dropping their prices is putting tons of pressure on LG. The 77 inch S89C is like 1800 bucks. Has there ever been a 77 inch OLED at such an incredible price?!

I've been an avid OLED guy since I got my 55" LG C1 a few years back. It was a lifechanging TV. I've moved apartments since then and need a 65" as the 55" inch is just a tad too small for the room. Honestly, I can't justify the cost of the LG C3 here in Canada. Budget mini-LEDs are like 75% of the way there. I can get a 75" Hisense U8K for less than it costs me to get a 65" LG C3. The Hisense still has deep blacks, and is MUCH brighter. The C3 is undoubtably the better TV still, but is it so much better that I'd spend MORE on a smaller size? No. The other issue is the fact that even in the OLED realm, LG doesn't have a huge advantage anymore. Samsung's QD-OLEDs are priced around the same and at least to me, look better. The C3 still has better dark room performance, and personally I trust LGs QC a lot more than Samsung's, but the reality is my living room isn't going to be pitch black all the time and QD-OLED performs better in bright room conditions. Where I am, the S90C is pretty much the same price as the C3.

Personally, the C3/4 are trying to be the Everyman offering of televisions but at a price bracket too high. I’m wondering if LG have the same faith in the C series than all their efforts they’re putting into the G series? Let’s be honest. If I was going to replace my LG CX (still a great tele for my needs), I’d have to actively consider a QD-OLED screen due to its better overall image quality. I’m also thinking about the longevity of WOLED technology. Let’s not beat about the bush here, it’s now in its 11th year of production and I’m wondering about how much more they can effectively do with the technology to at least keep up with other technologies. I’m aware that Sony will introduce Mini-LED televisions as their flagship models potentially this year, QD-OLED seems to be going from strength to strength, the the likes of Hisense and TCL developing great televisions at good prices. I’m also minded, should the technology prove to be effective, self-emissive OLED from Sharp’s R&D studio could be the spiritual heir to WOLED into the future. Interesting times, and thank you for the video.

Thanks

I whole heartedly agree with this video. As a owner of a LG CX & LG C1, I just had to break up with LG and I fell absolutely completely in LOVE with my new 77 inch Samsung QD-OLED and there's NO going back now!

How is s90c gen 2 panel 65” vs the g3?

So my daughter’s family have been watching our 2020 LG CX and when I hinted (without thinking about it) it may be the year for another tv upgrade, I was told they wanted it in their house as a replacement for their aging Sony 1080 tv . . . even if it only lasted awhile longer(11000 hrs. on it now). So, do you “really know” what LG is going to do with the C4? . . . or could they yet “pull-rabbit-out-of-a-hat” and give us an -- unexpected “surprise!” when it is released? Just asking / not a criticism.

I had the CX until I upgraded to the C3 because of better picture processing, but you're right LG has a problem. The C4 is just minor upgrades and I don't see a lot of buzz about it online. They need to start evolving new oled technologies or Samsung and Sony will surpass them in sales if they haven't already.

Also diminishing return. I still have lg cx 55 inch. Lg c3 42 inch. I see a lik difference but not enough to jump ship

SDR gaming needs to do more on the LG C4

Got my c3 48 for 900 euros yesterday that price was good but at full price nah

I really don't know what they were thinking when they decided to not add MLA to the C-series this year. At this point I think the C-series is very outdated for the price.

The LG G3 with MLA OLED is Only available in the 65 & 77” sizes, right? The 83” is Not with MLA 🤦‍♂️🙄🤨🤷‍♂️. So I could get the 83” but the better PQ option is the 77” one. (I currently have 75” Sony LED)

I prefer the C1. Even though it’s not as bright the blacks are better than on the evo panels. It was bright enough for me to game with during the day. I wish they didn’t switch to the evo panels. Sold my c1 cause of needing money and not sure what to buy now.

Went from a LG CX to a Samsung S90cover a C3. If they update it with the C5 I might switch back but Samsung QD Oled is only going togeg better so it would have to b a leap over that and I just don't see it.

When will Samsung release their new 42 inch oled?

I think it's partly because LG Display is seriously lagging behind in panel advancement. Their EX panel remains the same for the 3rd year, and Meta panel (MLA) is way overpriced. This makes C series gradually become mediocre over the years when other panels like QD-OLED or high end miniLED starts to catch up or even surpass it. Sony A80 series are on the same boat as well.

but samsung does not have dolby version

I bought the LG-C3 77 inch Oled TV about a week ago at $2,299 at Costco with a 5-year warranty I feel is a great price. I returned a Samsung 8K model 850 that cost me $3,999 that had awful processing compared to the LG-C-3 4K tv. If you go to Rtings for reviews regarding Samsung 8k TV's you will notice they do not hit a overall 9 out of 10 rating for their price. If you love movies and want great processing the LG C-3 for 2023 runs rings around Samsung in general. And yes, it has Dolby Vision for movie purist. To be fair for 2024 I have read that Samsung will be working extra hard in the image processing for their 8k line. This remains to be seen when respectable reviews by Rtings might get published.

I opted to buy a mini LED TV, because LG came short on its C-Series OLED TV. To be honest, LG has dominated the market, and is taking advantage of being recognized as such. But, as many before it, when you take your place for granted, and stop innovating, you may lose your place. I love LG, but I rather see it fall in order for it to learn; than continuing to see this disregard for us - the consumers, who pay for this expensive TVs. Great video, man! Thank you for bringing this issue forward.

I have the lg c2 48inch . It's a good tv but I thank it lacks in alot of areas

The G4 is going to be awsome

Waitin on the G4

I got the 48" C3 for $980, upgrading from the C1. Very nice upgrade. Fight me!

can you do lg c4 vrs lg cx ?

I think the c4 should have a heatsink like the lg g2. Bringing it up. Also the benerfit of a heatsink rTher then mla, mla has raised blacks in a room with any light. You can't unsee if and pretend it isn't there. The processor is a hit too.

I'm still using the LG CX, and it has been fantastic. There's no burn-in so far either. Only complaint is that I want it brighter. Considering getting the G4 depending on price. Was hoping micro-LED was here by now for consumer TVs.

Agree with all u said

New 77" S89C owner here. No way I would pay more for a WOLED. I have a 77" A80J and 42" C2, so Im not a brand snob either. Just that the S89C totally blows the other two out of the water. I prefer it to the Z9J as well. I was hoping they were going to release an 83" C4 with MLA but they didnt, so I bought the Samsung.

I just got the LGc2 at the end of December 😩 ! It was on sale, so why not

Even the samsung oled since s90A nothing has changed except for cheap built,some dent, improved the frame no Dolby vision still,the only advantage is a bit brighter than c series.

Right on

Their is Big compilation SAMSUNG with Qd- OLED. It's awesome in colors and details, however gaming is next level upgraded, 👌

My prediction is LG are locked into nerfing the C to make G series seems better; its desperation in the face of QDOLED. Next year blue pholed should be in mass production, C5 will get MLA, the G series will get new blues and relaxed ABL/higher HDR peak nits; color volume will increase for the first time in a while and wash out will happen at much higher brightness. I still think QDOLED will win, I see them side by side and its just too noticable. For games I think LG is coasting by on pre qdoled rep, their SDR brightness is poor unless you force peak brightness back on through software.

No MLA and Heatsink on C4 is Huge problem.CX-C4 is stagnation at best.All they do are slap better procesor on it each year and call it new name. C4 dont deserve that name at all in 2024.

Reliability is a thing too. I’ve seen the Samsung reddit with way more issues than I’d feel comfortable with if I spent that much on a tv.

I agree the Lg G series has taken over the brand to the detriment of the C series not getting any major changes.

One thing Sony and Samsung do right is passing the top tier features that they give at least to their flagship and runner up usually, like Sony usually gives its top processing capabilities to at least two models A95L & A80L, Samsung gives QD OLED to the S95C, S90C and S95D and S90D, LG just leaves the C series hanging every year since like the C1 imo

Yes, I was a little disappointed, they should have at least added one of the 2 upgrades to the C4 !!!, I’m not a gamer, but something to give one the incentive to buy this over the other brand.

LG C3s are the same price as Samsungs S90C. There is absolutely no comparison… Samsung blows them away. FYI… I have 3 LG Oleds on my house as well.

C4 same panel as c3 only difference is processing of picture with new chip, both use same 40 watt sound.

Yet another OLED boasting about its ability to handle high nit specular highlights, but it's still plagued by the same old issue: severe dimming whenever there's any significant brightness across the screen. Still incapable of properly displaying HDR.

I'm keeping my LG C2 42" as my PC monitor. I dont think an LG C4 42" is a good upgrade for me. 4300 hours with no burn in and counting. Display brightness set to 0 most of the time and is plenty bright for me.

Meanwhile I’m seriously torn between getting the Alienware QD OLED or Asus PG32UCDM monitor. I really like how the Asus doesn’t have a Fan, but their customer support is terrible from what iv read.

The B series and C series shouldn't exist together imo. Pick one and lower the prices

If LG made a 38inch OLED MLA fast response 144hz or more television it would sell more than Coca Cola on promotion days

That's great and all but samsung s90c doesn't have smaller tvs

Yo.... LG C3 120Hz and LG C4 144Hz are different. Can PS5 connect for LG C4 144Hz ? Not possible PS5 144Hz, 120Hz only? What if future LG C5 ?

I was going to go C4, now I’m going G. But where I can tell you LG surpasses every other brand is in customer service and product Support.

LG could of at least used the same processor as the G4 or lower the price?

I actually don't hate the iterative design of the c series but if you are doing this it should be to get the lower price. If the 55" launches at $1200 instead of $1800 and the 48" for $999 and the 42" for $899 then they could invigorate the oled market. I am saying such big cuts because C3 is $200-300 overpriced so a same c4 needs even more against improved models.

If LG end up putting all those goodies you mentioned in the C series they will charge us 4.000 dollars for a unit. Corporations and companies like LG are simply cutting corners here and there when it comes to their non flagship products to keep them at lower prices, but when you pay almost 2.000 dollars for a damn tv, it has to perform like a freaking spaceship without limitations 😡😡😡. Finally i ended up getting the S90C instead and everything is and looks better on the S90C, trust me on this.

This is the same conversation as iPhones being relatively the same every year. These gadgets only have minor improvements. You only see major upgrades every 5 years.

The fanaticism with which LG gamers defend LG Oleds is baffling. When I see a Sony and a LG in any side-by-side comparison, the Sony is always much clearer and detailed. It's like looking at performance and quality mode in some games. I think the MLA panel has increased detail, not only brightness, for the G series so it can hang out with Sony TVs. In some cases, the G3 may even have more detail as we've seen in comparisons which never really happened before especially against the XR clear processor. The G series is really distancing itself from the C series.

Unfortunately, they cant drop the prices a lot, because they would simply lose money. OLEDs are not easy to produce, as of right now, at least.

Bought a c3 lg oled for nearly half the recommended price. At this price it is a good tv at a great price. 👍

Samsung Lacks DolbyVision what about that?

I feel like Sony's 80 series is on the same boat. To me it's a dim OLED hyped up by processing carrying a high price. Samsung is cleaning house on entry level OLED.

Cheapest sony oled in my country is 1200€, you can find lg c3 42 inch for 850-900€. I think it’s clear who the winner is here. Even samsung starts at 1100. Not to mention you can’t find tv’s smaller than 55 inch in sony or samsung.

At this point, the only reason I consider LG C to be the best gaming TV is the fact that it's available at 42 inches. There's just nothing interesting about these TV any more, literally zero reason for me to consider an upgrade from my C2, at the very least if MLA or advanced processing are too much to ask, just bump up the refresh rate to 240hz or allow BFI

Well for one piont i ownd a samsung qd oled 65s95b for 3 months and broke, they did no quality control on their panels. it might be fixed of ever. but i lost all trust of samsung. And i hate the samsung UI so much its hard to work with. I ownd Lg cx for 3 years Heavy pc use, no burn in so far. But UI is so much better and easy to work with. call me fan boy, but i agree image is just better on samsung but reliability on QD-OLED is BAD for now... i got C3 for my living room.

I recently purchased the C3 83" replaced a Samsung Q80r 75" and i couldn't be happier this is an amazing t.v! And plenty bright for movies and gaming.

I’ll take a bigger mini LED over a smaller OLED. I have a 77” LG C1 and it’s meh for the $. I just bought the 100” Hisense U8K for $2999 and it’s amazing!

Who else though the tiny dot at the bottom left of this video is a dead pixel on your phone? 😅 Got me worried for awhile.

Small increases each year are likely all that's been seen as required (as you say) LG C Series TV owners mostly love them. And likely like myself (with a CX TV) are not going to change TV after a couple of years. Sure, now I'm at the stage where an upgrade to a C3 or C4 would be lovely - but even my CX is still gets software updates & my OS Home page isn't half taken up with Adverts!

In a way it's LG's inability as the main mover of the OLED to come up with cheaper and bigger panels that have given a second wind to the mini-LED movement! If Hisense can finally put their many zones to good use, the U8n could very well be a monster while at Sony, they're ready to make a statement this year with their new driver and algorithm. I know many potential OLED buyers who compared the seemingly dimmer C3 with G3, checked the later's price-tag disapprovingly and went home happily with a 75" X90L! The advocates of OLEDs often forget that for most, the penchant for inky black is an acquired taste - size and price still moves the needle when the picture quality is "good enough". I believe 2024 might be the good enough year for mini-LEDs!

If lg brought back 3d to oled it would be huge. My 2016 3d oled still looks better than my g3 when watching 3d

I like the LG web IOS - price is madness

LG has 10-plus years of experience in manufacturing OLED TVS! Samsung is a great TV manufacturing company as well and definitely highly respected themselves.. But let's be realistic here, Samsung literally just started manufacturing their own OLED TVS, compared to LGS 10-plus years of OLED experience! People need to keep it real and stop lying and just chill with all the fake hype..Samsung is new with making OLED TVS, so yes, i get why theirs so much hype surrounding the new panels..It's a shiny new toy and it's pretty good! Not gonna lie and it gives us consumers more options and it makes for great competition..LG gets those awards, though, because they are the OLED kings. I have never seen a better picture in my life! I've tried so many different TVS/Monitors and LG is hands down the best OLED manufacturer in the business! They don't really have to do much to their panels because they are legit already that damn good. My LG C2 and the LG C3 are absolutely incredible! Would highly recommend that people just go for an LG OLED and never look back. You definitely won't regret it! LG is the OLED king 🤴 🙌

I was pretty much sold on an S90C, but supposedly the software isn't yhat good and the LG and Sony have better motion? I started leaning towards the G3, but its almost double the cost of the S90C. I don't know what to do 😢

LG won the gamer "TV" award because it comes in a smaller size. For up in your face gaming, 32" is de facto only unseated by a 27" oled. Now display monitors are threatening that, and for me a better option than a "TV"