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LGR - Gravis UltraSound: 1992 Sound Card Retrospective 

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Taking a look at the legendary wavetable sound board from 1992! The Advanced Gravis Ultra Sound is still an awesome thing to experience with DOS PC games, assuming you can track one down.
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@The8BitGuy
@The8BitGuy 6 лет назад
I bought one of these when they first came out. However, I was really disappointed with how much trouble it was getting it to work with games that didn't have native support, which was most games. I think it was a mistake to release the card without a YM3812 compatible chip on board. That's where Creative Labs made the right choice in their SoundBlaster to maintain backward compatibility.
@AlistairMaxwell77
@AlistairMaxwell77 6 лет назад
totally spot on . lack of 20$ FM chip stopped the GUS from being the defecto standard for early 90s pc's . its a lesson repeated through computer history , you have to have that base level compatibility . you can't go your own way
@nickwallette6201
@nickwallette6201 6 лет назад
That's funny because, as an SB Pro (and then later, SB16) owner, I kept seeing GUS support in stuff and wishing I had the hardware to make it work. I guess that's just a touch of "the grass is greener" combined with a focus on music vs games.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
I remember reading similar reports in magazines at the time, it made me not consider one. In fact I only once had a non Creative card, it was a Spea Media FX, on the box it promised all sorts of compatibility, but it didn't work properly with many games. I sold it, got a Sound Blaster 16 and Roland Sound Canvas wavetable board and life was good again :)
@jasonblalock4429
@jasonblalock4429 6 лет назад
+The 8-Bit Guy They didn't include FM Synth because they didn't want the GUS to be just another "Soundblaster Compatible" card. I'm sure you remember all the dozens of cards like the Pro Audio Spectrum that really had little to differentiate them, and were just treated like SB Pros. Gravis made a gamble, thinking devs would be eager for a soundcard that was price-competitive with the SB, but had vastly better sound. But the gamble didn't pay off. :-(
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
I bought 2 GUS cards because I wanted to get away from the Yamaha FM. I love the 8-bit Keys music and 80's keyboard nostalgia, but I was never happy with Yamaha FM in the 90's in my game soundtracks. In fact I was downright mad.
@hawks1ish
@hawks1ish 6 лет назад
Basically the emulation was them saying “this is a sound blaster, it sucks don’t buy it” lol
@RichHeimlich
@RichHeimlich 6 лет назад
And thus missed the entire point of how to market a product.
@kanan348
@kanan348 6 лет назад
Make a video on the card you got sent from russia . Innovation SSI-2001 . Its a very very rare card, only handfull are still functional and the guy engineered and made it from pictures of the card by himself since he did not find any schematics.
@betterbeavailable
@betterbeavailable 4 года назад
In Soviet Russia, the card plays you.
@RealRedRabbit
@RealRedRabbit 6 лет назад
My first Windows PC, in 1991, had an ultrasound. I didn't realize how lucky I was until I went to a friend's house and he had a sound blaster.
@acemic2050
@acemic2050 4 года назад
still better than beeper, or covox :)
@amigabang6157
@amigabang6157 3 года назад
But... The video is about a soundcard from 1992...
@RealRedRabbit
@RealRedRabbit 3 года назад
@@amigabang6157 huh. Yeah, you're right. I gotta be remembering something wrong, here.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Oh man, I've been itching for this video :D I got a GUS PnP many, many years ago, and to this day I cannot relate to the hype. It's a jack of all trades type of card, but other cards can do FM better, SB better, GM better and MT-32 of course. I found it to be a resource hog, taking a ton of interrupts, though there are workarounds. In general I found the installation process and getting it to work quite involving. The tracker support in demos and Epic games are the real highlights, though I believe the Sound Blaster driver is simply using a lower sample rate in Epic games, I wonder if someone could hack the driver to address this and support a Sound Blaster 16 for example. Thanks for this honest take on the GUS!
@BlownMacTruck
@BlownMacTruck 6 лет назад
The PnP was a bastardized version of a real GUS card and anyone who was into DOS gaming and the demo scene knew to avoid it like the plague and get a real card.
@PierreVonStaines
@PierreVonStaines 6 лет назад
Heck yeah, this is awe64some!
@ToumalRakesh
@ToumalRakesh 6 лет назад
It simply sounded better than the sb line of products.
@ArneSchmitz
@ArneSchmitz 6 лет назад
Thing is that Wavetable cards other than the GUS were really expensive back in the day. Also the GUS allowed you to use ANY samples, and not only a fixed set of ROM samples. Wavetable cards with RAM would follow only a couple of years later. Also since the demoscene was using multi track MOD files (or s3m, ft2 etc) and was supporting the GUS extremely well, it had an uncanny coolness factor. Owning a GUS was so cool, and the red PCB added only to that...
@stonent
@stonent 6 лет назад
I had an original GUS, for a week or two and though some games like Prince of Persia sounded awesome, I returned it and got an SB Pro 2.0 because I really wanted the text to speech stuff that came with it and SBOS was buggy. I wish I had kept it though.
@devttyUSB0
@devttyUSB0 6 лет назад
Oh man! The GUS. I longed for this card in my younger years. I ended up with the Sound Blaster AWE32 though. EDO RAM chips et al. I was big in to the module tracking scene back then. These cards where the SHIT back then. What a great flashback this is. FastTracker / ImpulseTracker flashbacks all over. #shivers
@devttyUSB0
@devttyUSB0 6 лет назад
This is a weird-nerd-boner-video. Sorry. Had to share.
@CanuckGod
@CanuckGod 6 лет назад
I'm with you there, I had the AWE32 as well (or was it the SB32? can't recall offhand), and with the RAM expansion capabilities, it was baller.
@novafawks
@novafawks 6 лет назад
Did you ever make music yourself? (or, still do?)
@devttyUSB0
@devttyUSB0 6 лет назад
@Nova Fawks, i did make music myself. I used Implse Tracker as shown in this video. Nothing noteworthy though. ;) Nowadays i like to play around with SunVox: www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/
@novafawks
@novafawks 6 лет назад
devttyUSB0 Woah, awesome! I'm surprised I've never heard of that program, considering how big on trackers and DAW's I am. Thanks for telling me about it! I make a lot of music myself too, mainly with LSDJ for my chiptunes and FL Studio for other EDM. Been doing it for awhile, music is a lot of fun to create. But I find trackers to be the most fun. Do you have any examples of your work?
@BenderTheOffender
@BenderTheOffender 5 лет назад
Even more, the Ultrasound was THE soundboard of the PC Demoscene!
@MrTruth111
@MrTruth111 3 года назад
he mentions that @ 15:35
@chuckbiscuito
@chuckbiscuito 3 года назад
Yes. Also, Gravis sent their cards out to many folks in the demoscene, particularly musicians and tracker developers.
@soylentgreenb
@soylentgreenb 2 года назад
@@chuckbiscuito Correct call. Almost all of these people came from the Amiga and Atari ST.
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Год назад
Maktone made good use of it.
@DJefke001
@DJefke001 5 месяцев назад
Yes, the demoscene was the single reason I bought a GUS ACE, and later a GUS MAX. Still have both cards somewhere.
@antdude
@antdude 6 лет назад
I remember listening to DOOM 1 shareware with a GUS in a college dorm room. Wow. Choirs and all that.
@RichHeimlich
@RichHeimlich 6 лет назад
Funny you mention DOOM. Carmack and Romero hated this thing because it made playing it feel like you were running in molasses. VERY few products performed worse with Doom than this beast.
@blackblob500
@blackblob500 4 года назад
@@RichHeimlich IIRC early versions of Doom (and it's engine) did support GUS hardware mixing, but later versions ditched it primarily due to a DMA hang bug (Doom DMA'd sound effects on the GUS) that, while not unbearable for modern enthusiasts, was a big enough deal that software mixing was used instead. Undoubtedly Carmack and Romero noticed it when testing hardware configurations for Doom 2, and found GUS tanked performance compared to other sound cards.
@RichHeimlich
@RichHeimlich 4 года назад
@@blackblob500 I think that's fairly accurate. However, I'm not sure that those early builds really ever saw the light of day, or were around for such a short time frame that no one really got to experience that working.
@blackblob500
@blackblob500 4 года назад
Maybe. There was a couple month gap between 1.2 (the release with working SFX hardware mixing) and 1.4 (1.3 wasn't really released but also had WIP GUS software mixing), and the comment from Paul Radek regarding GUS SFX mixing was comparing 1.2 to 1.666, (versions 1.4 and 1.5 were apparently only released on the internet for testing, and just as shareware releases) which was the version the first copies of Doom 2 used (1.666 was also released as a registered and shareware Doom patch in September 94).
@Damien.D
@Damien.D 6 лет назад
GUS sounded like crystal, and still does. Like classic synths or musical instrument, these boards ages very well and still are an enjoyment to the ears. There are dozen of epic tunes (mostly coming from the demoscene or Amiga games ports) that were even more epic with this almighty hardware. But they were, and still are, a pain in the ass to setup.
@PiesliceProductions
@PiesliceProductions 6 лет назад
Gus has built in linear interpolation in the resampler as well as 16 bit mixing so it eliminates a lot of digital aliasing. also the audio recording had very little (basically none) base noise ( at least in gus max ) if you compare it to awe32 and even later models such as live!
@randywatson8347
@randywatson8347 6 лет назад
Dammit I lost my ultrasound ace card years ago while moving. Ah the first moment when you try to play canyon.mid and suddenly hear quality instruments.
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
I lost my GUS and SCC-1 in a move in 2012. :(
@_..-.._..-.._
@_..-.._..-.._ 16 дней назад
They don’t like moving, apparently.
@SoulcatcherLucario
@SoulcatcherLucario 6 лет назад
Welcome back Clint! I'm already enjoying the video before watching it :P
@EngineerOfChaos
@EngineerOfChaos 6 лет назад
Man, I didn't even really get a chance to miss him and he's already back. He's a treasure.
@alexander_mejia
@alexander_mejia 6 лет назад
Now I know why the GUS is such a great card! I was Sound Blaster all the way, but was always intrigued by this sound card when I saw it supported in other games.
@kennysboat4432
@kennysboat4432 6 лет назад
i am wondering if someone can help me i have looked everywhere for drivers for this im not trying to spam but i am having a driver crisis! i have an unknown asus computer p4s8l motherboard and that is all i know the sound/audio and ethernet dont work just installed windows xp on it cant find drivers for anything on it anywhere! has a stock built in asus ethernet and stock HD audio/video but cant get drivers for audio protocols! its a silver asus desktop from sometime around 2008 has a 2.5ghz cpue and almost 1 gigabyte ddr of ram. PLEASE HELP
@ikke1981
@ikke1981 6 лет назад
kennys Boat, I don't think there were ever drivers developed for win xp. The hardware was already commercially obsolete by then.
@gianluca.g
@gianluca.g 6 лет назад
"Clinthhhhhh!!!!" cit. Detective Barbie
@Daehawk
@Daehawk 6 лет назад
Clint thank you for these looks back. The 1990s were the golden era of gaming and PC stuff to me. I was a young 20 something then and was until the end of the 90s. Its still my favorite time of my life. Your looks back take me back and give me that warm feeling of being there again. Thanks man.
@mitrooper
@mitrooper 3 года назад
I used the GUS mostly for making tracker music back during the early 90's.
@GammaMAXXdotcom
@GammaMAXXdotcom 6 лет назад
Wow, that Epic Pinball demo blew me away! The Ultrasound with that game almost sounds like a studio recording, and in comparison the Sound Blaster sounds pretty much exactly like a Flash futuristic puzzle game from the early to mid 2000s. I think I may have found a new favorite sound card! Excellent video as always Clint, keep up the good work!
@Transfixed
@Transfixed 3 года назад
This brought back so many memories! The test sounds, listening to MOD files, buying RAM upgrade chips from London Drugs, getting upgrade disks in the mail (i live close to Burnaby BC) , the sales guy at Future Shop telling me they don't sell medical equipment when we asked for an Ultrasound, heck my friend even mentioned "32 digital sound channels" in my high school yearbook (yeah we were nerds). I still have it all.
@syrophenikan
@syrophenikan 4 года назад
In 1983, when I was debating on purchasing (my first of many) GUS, the store owner said something to me that I have never forgotten. When I asked for his opinion of the GUS, he said, "I wouldn't trade it for a warp core." I will never forget that quote. By the way, he was correct. (DEMOSCENE 4 EVAR!!!)
@SuperJet_Spade
@SuperJet_Spade 6 лет назад
Wow, what an interesting soundcard. I like its sound along with the Roland MT-32 sound module. Also, I kind of want to cover that Duke Nukem song on PC Engine since I've been hearing it multiple times in your videos. Great video as always! 👍🏽
@JamieMale
@JamieMale 6 лет назад
Thanks LGR being waiting for this video ever since you mentioned it in your last video about taking a break great work enjoy your time off man!
@jason4275
@jason4275 6 лет назад
I remember growing up back in the mid 90's when i had my first pc when sound cards were more popular than video cards.
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 6 лет назад
It made it all the worse for me, because my shittty out-dated pc was in desperate need of both, always, even after upgrades, it was never enough.
@tomyyoung2624
@tomyyoung2624 5 лет назад
Yes that the GUS doesn't sound great, even better than SB AWE32 from the comparisons I've heard, but a SB16 seems like a more fair comparison since Pro 2 only has 8-bit stereo at 22Khz.
@jamesgarlick4573
@jamesgarlick4573 5 лет назад
Lol! Now sound cards are practically a waste of money on new computers!
@youandiryan
@youandiryan 5 лет назад
@@jamesgarlick4573 yeah you're completely right about that. It's because even on OEM computers all the motherboards have built-in sound with THX sound 5.1 and Dolby Atmos. I don't think I've ever paid attention to see if stores like Best Buy still have sound cards. The sound that come with stock computer is now is so unbelievable it's kind of pointless to buy a sound card.. I know that they still make sound cards but that's for like true audio files were people who run a professional business like artists where sound is the utmost importance, and the sound card will make the sound from the computer that's already good to extremely good.
@Peanutfiendsblog
@Peanutfiendsblog 5 лет назад
I remember my friend got a soundblaster awe32 and i was so impressed by it lol.
@t.w.3
@t.w.3 4 года назад
I bought one of these (the GUS Classic) in 1992. Upgraded it to 1MB and I still have it in my retro pc from 1997. Worked great with the games I played, as they all supported the GUS. I had it hooked up to my surround system, and it was also very nice to listen to music (Mods and Demos) played through it. I also got the Gravis Gamepad. :) Greetings from Norway.
@MarkyShaw
@MarkyShaw 6 лет назад
Ahhh yes, another one of those magical items. During the setup of many'a'DOS games, I always sat and wondered about the Gravis UltraSound devices and what mysteries they hold. Between that and Hercules graphics cards, the world of computing always had me wondering what else was out there. Thanks to LGR, I can see firsthand what all these things were and satisfy my vintage curiosity.
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
GUS actually parallels Hercules in a way. Hercules could emulate CGA in monochrome. CGA colors were so hideously bad and resolutions so low, that it actually made games look better. Likewise, the GUS could emulate lifeless FM and even the random instruments would sometimes sound better.
@JoeStuffz
@JoeStuffz 5 лет назад
You should see the 8-bit guy's video on CGA. It explains well about why CGA sometimes looked really bad. That being said, if you did not know about composite, it was often hoirrible-looking. CGA composite looks decent, better than the Apple II
@valuevinyl110
@valuevinyl110 6 лет назад
Ahhh! The Nostalgia! This why I Subbed to you and 8-bit guy a LONG time ago! Finally we get the low-down and spotlight on this legend!
@RealisticFishing
@RealisticFishing 6 лет назад
The only place I welcome elevator music is, here. 😀
@Logan912
@Logan912 6 лет назад
Realistic Fishing This and the stuff Mark Mothersbaugh (of Devo fame) made with a Fairlight CMI IIx.
@tombraselton2671
@tombraselton2671 5 лет назад
Holy hell! Other people bought that card besides me? Loved the sound but hated the compatibility problems. Epic Pinball? What a flashback! Thank you!
@tetsujin_144
@tetsujin_144 2 года назад
Yeah - for like my first 2 years with a PC it was my only sound card. Loved the MIDI sound I could get out of it in games, but emulation of FM synth was terrible and even emulation of Soundblaster-compatible DAC was pretty bad sometimes... I kind of like that I went in a bit of an unconventional direction with my first soundcard purchase, but of course that choice did have some drawbacks for sure. Later on I supplemented with a cheap SB-compatible card and then moved on to some Turtle Beach cards for MIDI. It kind of shocks me sometimes to see people regarding the GUS with such wonder and awe. To me it's a very real thing, I experienced the good and the bad of it... And while it'd be fun to own one again, mostly I just moved on...
@roygalaasen
@roygalaasen 2 года назад
@@tetsujin_144 I remember Turtle Beach was a thing in the 90’s. Then in 2008 I saw that they did headphones, which I happened to be needing. I though that they were good back in the day, how bad could they be now? Just a few months later they were falling apart. Not the quality the name used to mean.
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 6 лет назад
Gotta love the big "ASSEMBLED IN CANADA" on the card :)
@Sundog1985
@Sundog1985 5 лет назад
Also the "made in Singapore" too, these days Singapore is unlikely to be able to pay workers enough to assemble computer peripherals.
@farhanyousaf5616
@farhanyousaf5616 5 лет назад
Also home to ATI, now AMD. Folks from Markham, Ontario know what I mean.
@tomyyoung2624
@tomyyoung2624 2 года назад
and yes!
@aquaferme1346
@aquaferme1346 3 года назад
the two Canadian Knights of computer tech back then, Adlib and Gravis.
@steve323f
@steve323f 6 лет назад
So many capacitors, that appeals to me.
@aretard7995
@aretard7995 4 года назад
you like soldering or what?
@alexanderhardin3428
@alexanderhardin3428 4 года назад
I was going to say, until they need to be replaced.
@Jannesmitderwelle
@Jannesmitderwelle 3 года назад
Hey Steve
@steve323f
@steve323f 3 года назад
@@Jannesmitderwelle hey Jannes 👍
@singleproppilot
@singleproppilot 3 года назад
Which one is for flux?
@Solarnova
@Solarnova 6 лет назад
Great vid man, thanks for that! I can't believe how great Jazz Jackrabbit sounds with the GUS. Absolutely love my SoundBlaster AWE32 PnP CT-3980, I believe it was the last SoundBlaster to have the Yamaha OPL3 chip, but do correct me if I'm wrong.
@flyboypuoi
@flyboypuoi 6 лет назад
Uploaded: 47 seconds ago. Well then. I have no choice.
@Dorff_Meister
@Dorff_Meister 4 года назад
I loved my Gravis Ultrasound. And the Gravis Phoenix was THE way to play Descent. Thanks for the overview!
@ipKonfig
@ipKonfig 5 лет назад
5:09 "shipped to the land of John Candy" today's generation will not know what that meant
@doncsicso81
@doncsicso81 6 лет назад
Wow, this holiday ended fast :D Something tells me you didn`t have a proper holiday :D Good to have you back :) :)
@Cmdr_Rhialto
@Cmdr_Rhialto 6 лет назад
I am happy to own one. It's actualy a clone, made by primax, but it is 100 percent compatible with a one meg Gus. It's in my retro p3. I am now collecting Gus compatible games. For soundblaster compatibility i have an on board crystal soundchip, which works well in dos.
@10zero11
@10zero11 4 года назад
I had an Advanced Gravis Ultrasound MAX. It was awesome in its day. A full length ISA card. The holographic sound was pretty cool back in the day too.
@xDanishGamerz
@xDanishGamerz 6 лет назад
Fun fact, Deadmau5 were in the demo scene back in the days :)!
@troy0h
@troy0h 6 лет назад
xDanishGamerz Deadmau5, but yeah
@xDanishGamerz
@xDanishGamerz 6 лет назад
Haha, That's true. MY B.
@raggededge82
@raggededge82 5 лет назад
I love dead mau five
@Drakainian
@Drakainian 6 лет назад
That moment when you watch a video about soundcards and an old game you loved playing when you were a small child and the name of you forgot shows up xD. Thanks you very much for that odd coincidence. Now i know its named Descent
@ArionRDAW
@ArionRDAW 6 лет назад
Up for the mention of Star Control II. Best soundtracks ever.
@jasonblalock4429
@jasonblalock4429 6 лет назад
I was always a little surprised that so few game companies embraced MOD based music, even once 486s were common and the music player didn't need too much overhead. The difference in quality between MODs and FM synth was just so huge.
@kaptaintrips
@kaptaintrips 6 лет назад
SC2 was an amazing game. Then I went backwards and played Lemmngs,,,
@L2Nuku
@L2Nuku 6 лет назад
Jason Blalock On top of that, mod music could be played through certain pc speakers, you should've seen my surprised face when i heard Star Control 2 music being played on my pc that didn't have a soundcard!
@jasonblalock4429
@jasonblalock4429 6 лет назад
Yep. Although SC2 did take a pretty noticeable performance hit if you tried PC speaker mode on a 386.
@L2Nuku
@L2Nuku 6 лет назад
Jason Blalock Funny thing is, i played it on a 8088 for the 1st time, yea the game ran super slow but the music, was just amazing xD
@drahkas8526
@drahkas8526 6 лет назад
I never realized how much background noise the soundblaster had back in the day. That gravis ultrasound is very impressive!
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 6 лет назад
19:06 - nothing has ever looked more 1996 than those box graphics
@lepidotos
@lepidotos 3 года назад
That _is_ an incredibly 1996 box, you're correct.
@Professor5180
@Professor5180 3 месяца назад
Gravis Ultrasound was a gem to have. Everything sounded amazing with it. From Castle Wolfenstein to Raptor call of the shadows to Epic Pinball. I remember the audio being even better than the Soundblaster Awe 32!
@Korr_o
@Korr_o 6 лет назад
Ouch. Sampling =/= Wavetable synthesis. Wavetable synthesis is more or less looking up a specific wave in a set of them. Gravis, and other cards such as the Soundblasters that use "wavetable synthesis" just use PCM samples,most of the time (I dont know if any of them really used wavetables as in what PPG Wave, the mentioned Ensoniq's or other synths). I know its how they advertised it then, but i just wanted to clear it out for the others. Great video none the less!
@Poweredsoft
@Poweredsoft 5 лет назад
came to say the same thing.
@lotrbuilders5041
@lotrbuilders5041 5 лет назад
Though this is exactly as he said commonly called wave table synthesis. The only real wave table synthesis I have been able to find in retro computing is the chip in the apple ][GS. You might also count the wave channels of the NES and GB, but those are somewhat more complicated.
@MarelizedeB
@MarelizedeB 6 лет назад
Welcome back! Hope you had some good relaxation, happy for the new video :D
@UncleAwesomeRetro
@UncleAwesomeRetro 6 лет назад
I have waited a long time for this video :) l was not dissapointed, I love that you recorded your emotions when discovering the higher sound quality. I feel that's what sepperates you from other youtubers. Showing your true personality and feelings, not playing a role, that gives me feelings, in addition to the overall high quality video. And my gravis tutorial videos did not become useless as I feared :p
@tomyyoung2624
@tomyyoung2624 5 лет назад
And Yes!
@Lethaltail
@Lethaltail 6 лет назад
When i first heard the first few seconds of Guitar Slinger with the VO, it was reminding me of the music used on the Wii Homebrew Browser, and it turns out my hunch was right, Jogeir Liljedahl wrote that song too, it's called Addiction.
@Soundole
@Soundole 6 лет назад
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into videos like this! I feel like you're doing some really important historical work!
@ericwadebrown
@ericwadebrown 5 лет назад
Nice! I had the Gravis Ultrasound as a kid. I remember game support was spotty.
@TheGhostMall
@TheGhostMall 6 лет назад
This is gonna be epic, I can't get enough of your videos on classic sound cards and old-school PC audio stuff! Thanks for another deep dive into some beloved tech, Clint!
@radiozelaza
@radiozelaza 3 года назад
Yeah, when it comes to noise level, Ultrasounds were incredibly clean. With GUS PnP I was recording music like a boss and didn't care about noisy input, until I switched to SB Live lol
@maxime1008
@maxime1008 6 лет назад
Excellent video! If I may comment, I think you overlooked a bit the Mega-Em part. That was a killer application for games that did not support native GUS. Back in the days, MT-32 provided the best music, but it was not an affordable device. It was sort-of semi-pro, and ultra expensive (also not sold in computer shops). Later there was the rise of the "MIDI daughter boards" (Sound Canvas, Korg) that provided amazing MIDI sound.. But that was absolutely not compatible with MT-32 (because the instruments were mapped differently). MegaEm, on the other side, provided a more than decent MT-32 emulation (with the possibility to change the sound samples, improving the default ones). The Mega-Em MT-32 emulated music in games such as Monkey Island was far, far superior than with the Adlib/SB. And since so many games supported natively the MT-32, at the end the GUS was usable in a lot of games with the best possible sound. (SBOS was okay-ish for the voices). Of course the drawback was that the MegaEm thinggie could appear a bit complicated for non-technical people who just wanted to plug and play.
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
Yeah I bought the GUS before MegaEm, and I never depended on it working, but I was quite happily surprised as it was getting better. That was quite a feat. I still remember the guy's name who made it: Jayeson Lee-Steere.
@catalinbadalan4463
@catalinbadalan4463 3 года назад
MOD music-based games where the point where the GUS *really* shined.
@AwesumIndustrys
@AwesumIndustrys 6 лет назад
I need to buy a chip fab so I can clone the gravis. (Edit: Nevermind. Someone beat me to the punch. I should wait until I finish the video to comment.)
@ramrod126
@ramrod126 6 лет назад
I had one of these back in the day, right after I graduated high school.
@samthemultimediaman
@samthemultimediaman 6 лет назад
Ya i think the better audio clarity of the UltraSound vs the Sound Blaster was because it had a better amplifier. On a side note the Adlib/FM synth cards can sound better then they did but game developers didn't want to spend the time tuning the instruments.
@segaboy9894
@segaboy9894 6 лет назад
Typed in Gravis in RU-vid and LGR is the first hit. Not surprised at all!!!
@tonyhong20
@tonyhong20 6 лет назад
It's finally here! I've been waiting for this since you got that second Gravis Ultrasound in one of your mail unboxings in 2017!
@banpeinet
@banpeinet 6 лет назад
Tony Hong +1! And it was great to see it here in this video again! 😁
@mrsquishyboots
@mrsquishyboots 4 года назад
I knew a rich kid back in the day. He was the only kid in our neighborhood who went to a private school so we never saw much of him. I remember his dad showing off this sound card and Wolfenstein blowing my mind. The turd also owned a neo geo.
@computercatgaming02
@computercatgaming02 6 лет назад
Gotta love how no-one has completely seen the video yet but everyone is still commenting just because.. why not? 🤔
@lukasperuzovic1429
@lukasperuzovic1429 6 лет назад
A Gravis Sound card on a LRG Video. What else you need to know?
@computercatgaming02
@computercatgaming02 6 лет назад
Lukas Peruzovic lol that of course
@Supositwaree
@Supositwaree 6 лет назад
Like you..?
@computercatgaming02
@computercatgaming02 6 лет назад
J'ai pas d'idée de nom indeed, like I said "why not?"
@philipcooper8297
@philipcooper8297 6 лет назад
I'm a simple man, I see LGR, I give thumbs up and leave a comment.
@GrayHairedGamer
@GrayHairedGamer 6 лет назад
Second Reality made the GUS must-have hardware. I don't know if I've ever bought PC hardware specifically for a single piece of software except for this one. All of the tech speak that you see in the manual is a reminder that most of the time we put into PC gaming back in the day was in getting that shtuff working with our hardware to begin with! LOL (...bad flashbacks to getting Wing Commander 2 to run in base memory...)
@brycevo
@brycevo 6 лет назад
Congratulations on getting your hands on it. These look back videos are always great
@robvermeulen
@robvermeulen 3 года назад
The Gravis Ultrasound card was pretty much the hardware of choice in the demoscene during the nineties. Practically all demos, intros and music software that was released back then only contained support for the GUS. I believe it was the ability to offload sample mixing to the card, that made it so popular by programmers, because it saved a lot of expensive CPU time that could now be used for other calculations. And next to that, the audio quality was much better compared to Soundblaster Pro and 16. I still have one lying around (a GUS MAX to be exact) and already refused to sell it at least a couple of times for prices above €350,-. But I'll sell it for 1 BTC ;)
@robvermeulen
@robvermeulen 3 года назад
Ah now I see that starting at 15:35 he pretty much explains the same :) Never mind my comment :)
@yasink21
@yasink21 5 лет назад
that epic pinball's sound difference got me like GOD DAMN, stereo crisp ringing clean af
@GeorgeFoot
@GeorgeFoot 3 года назад
Wavetable synths were all about the percussion
@Alianger
@Alianger 6 лет назад
11:10 Not that the GUS doesn't sound great, even better than SB AWE32 from the comparisons I've heard, but a SB16 seems like a more fair comparison since Pro 2 only has 8-bit stereo at 22Khz.
@BrassicGamer
@BrassicGamer 6 лет назад
The SB16 didn't start shipping until May of 1993 so the Pro 2 was Creative's direct competitor at the time.
@Alianger
@Alianger 6 лет назад
Oh ok, I've seen 1992 mentioned elsewhere (ADG's video on sound cards I think).
@BrassicGamer
@BrassicGamer 6 лет назад
Yeah I wasn't sure myself but checked Creative's website. See 'May 1993': "Shipped Sound Blaster 16": www.creative.com/corporate/milestones/?year=1991%20-%201995
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz 6 лет назад
It's late and should be in bed but alert a LGR vid, So I'll say just one more vid. *sounds* good to me, how about you? This video gets the woodgrain *seal* of approval👍 Edit 2:42 Omg we had one of those Gravis PC Pro joysticks for our AST 486! that was our first ever joystick. Played xwing none stop with that thing! 2021 And I found a near mint condition PC Pro joystick thrifting yea!!!
@telmnstr
@telmnstr 6 лет назад
I had a GUS mainly due to the demoscene but still had to keep Sound Blaster around. Hooray for Renaissance (Amnesia!). Glad I kept my GUS and GUS PNP.
@LightTheUnicorn
@LightTheUnicorn 6 лет назад
Sounds absolutely fantastic. Really impressive, clear audio and a red PCB too? Very yes. Amazingly generous donations!
@alpharisc
@alpharisc 4 года назад
I got a GUSMAX because future crew demos and scream tracker 3 supported them. The sound quality was a massive jump up from the SB Pro 2 which remained in the case beside it for games that didn't support the GUS. Ended up getting the GUS PNP, by that stage software mixing made cards like the SB16 sound virtually identical and with the MMX drivers in Impulse Tracker using the GF1 chip was pointless as you were limited to 1MB of ram and the sound quality got super bad over 14 channels, I guess people like these cards because at the time they were quite close to professional, even today it's surprising how clean the output was. Gravus were overtaken by Creative with the AWE32 (reverb and chorus, way better sounds but some odd results depending on what the composer used) then left for dead with the release of the SB Live! .... ahhh great memories, thanks for the nostalgia trip.
@computercatgaming02
@computercatgaming02 6 лет назад
Now I understand why people liked this card so much, the sounds really did sound superior in the programs that supported it that is, the other unsupported programs just sounded weird but that's understandable because not all software is developed for the same hardware.
@MidnightMechanic
@MidnightMechanic 6 лет назад
And it's not really the card's fault if it's not implemented in every single piece of software out there, programming audio for 6 different cards is a chore, and you want to ensure the customer has relatively the same experience, despite any hardware differences. Can a Gravis be practical in gaming today, with 9.1 speaker optical digital surround sound capable cards on the market? Absolutely not, but for a classic DOS gaming PC, it's near about perfect.
@computercatgaming02
@computercatgaming02 6 лет назад
Midnight Mechanic yes exactly, putting in support isn't something that is instantly accomplished by simply snaping your finders.
@telmnstr
@telmnstr 6 лет назад
I used to have to keep both a GUS and SB installed
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
I used to reconfigure my computer depending on the game or app. Of course I never closed the case, and eventually I just stopped having cases.
@RichHeimlich
@RichHeimlich 6 лет назад
The ONLY reason it got any traction at all was because you could get one on a student's budget. The reason you could get it that cheaply was because much of the processing was software-based.
@harrydigital9073
@harrydigital9073 6 лет назад
I had that card on mid 90s for music editing and mastering.. great and clean scard
@joshuamccutcheonoldchannel4769
1:08 Holy s**t, that's an incredible difference in sound quality!
@davidlo19a
@davidlo19a 6 лет назад
I remember that I picked up one of the first GUS a long time ago (couldn't remember how I got it, but definitely not in new condition). Tried it out mostly for testing. Loved the sound it produced but I had some compatibility issues, especially with games at that time. Went back to SB16 I think. I threw away my GUS back in 2009 due to lack of use and lack of space in the house. Had I known that it would become a collector item, I definitely would have kept it.
@jasonblalock4429
@jasonblalock4429 6 лет назад
OK, I clicked so fast. I had a GUS Max back in the day with the full 1MB and I loved it. I'd been a fan of the demoscene and had a *huge* collection of MODs (also my stock-in-trade for BBSes), so there was no question about buying one. Hell, I didn't even mind the wonky compatibility. I found for most games that between all the various emulators, I could find something that sounded decent. And it was so worth it for that amazing sound when something did support it natively.
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
Exactly!
@shanaenaeshanaenae9400
@shanaenaeshanaenae9400 6 лет назад
I loved Impulse Tracker! I made a song after the first date with this girl I met. I let her hear it... And we've been married 17 years.
@mkd1113
@mkd1113 6 лет назад
Best episode of LGR in a while (as well as the Gizmondo one). I love how you not only take a look at the hardware itself, but also include the history behind it, the package, the setup, demos, and other tidbits. Your channel is what got me into PC gaming back in 2010, and unlike other youtubers, you've only gotten better with time. Keep doing what you do Clint.
@tomyyoung2624
@tomyyoung2624 5 лет назад
I had that card... i remember the buyers remorse... Yes where near enough games had proper support.
@SegHaxx
@SegHaxx 4 года назад
The GUS died off for one simple reason: No Windows support. There were only some very basic and extremely buggy beta Windows 95 drivers released, which only did basic single-channel output, did not support wavetable MIDI at all, and thus offered nothing over the plethora of cheapo SB clones by then available. I had a GUS classic back in the day, and ended up popping a $20 OPTI 82C931 card in next to it for Windows audio. The GUS was a wonder in DOS, but as the gaming scene quickly moved on to the Win95 DirectX CD-audio era in ~1996, the GUS was sadly rendered useless. As shown, some later GUS cards gave you a WSS or SB clone built in, but the GF1 wavetable capability was never made usable in Windows.
@JeSuisUnePatate
@JeSuisUnePatate 6 лет назад
Wow this reminds me so many good sweet memories ! I had that first Gravis Ultrasound in my first PC (leaving the Commodore stuff). I had so much fun with it. Finding on that early Internet era many midi banks for some amazing instruments emulation : It was so perfect for Karaoke songs (knows as .KAR files) and .MID as well. The lack of support/emulation for games didn't made me that sad as I wasn't an hardcore gamer. It was just fine for me to play some games like the Epic Pinball or those Commander Keen, Jazz and other little games of that era. Thank you LGR for bringing back to life this era ! \o/ PS: Sorry, english isn't my native language. French Canadian here. :P
@2004RADMAN
@2004RADMAN 6 лет назад
Bernard Couture is good Eah!
@Geenimetsuri
@Geenimetsuri 3 года назад
Gravis Ultrasound was by far the best sound card of the era. If you fiddled with MegaEM you could enjoy absolutely awesome MIDI sounds from games which offered General MIDI or MT32 music options like Masters of Orion & Magic, Stunts, Stronghold, Gold Boxes, etc..etc... However, that was just icing on the cake. The sample based audio system made it absolutely fantastic (music) tracker card (e.g. Fasttracker 2) and made programming game sounds & music really easy. It was rather sad, that it did not do perfect emulation of Sound Blaster before ACE...when the concept was already outdated. Hilarious detail was that I was able to use my old 286's video card (I think it was a Trident TVGA) RAM chips on the GUS to upgrade the memory to 1 MB. :-D
@jasongooden917
@jasongooden917 6 лет назад
I freaked out when you mentioned Star Control 2. It was one of my absolute favorites.
@aquaferme1346
@aquaferme1346 3 года назад
This card was popular with musicians of the music tracker scenes, thus support in games was not a big concern for that crowd. Being a tracker user myself, with many sound cards, the card while playing eventually loses some of the playback in the virtual channels of the tracker software, I remember in programs like impulse tracker you have to regurlarly do "control + i" to manually re-initialise the card and get all channels to playback. Apparently, the Gravis did not have that problem (but never had one so cannot say if this is true).
@AnkhInfinitus
@AnkhInfinitus 6 лет назад
Considering inflation, the card is actually, at worst, half the price it was originally.
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
The GUS has held its value far better than the dollar. So has pretty much any old video or sound card that's not generic. Floppy discs, too!
@BollingHolt
@BollingHolt 6 лет назад
At the 4:40 mark, I'm guessing there were no more 8 bit cards in this time period. I didn't see the Thunderboard listed under Mediavision's list! I had one for several years. It was a pretty neat little card back in the very early 1990s.
@catalinbadalan4463
@catalinbadalan4463 3 года назад
Reminds me of the times when there was all that cool and expensive hardware I could have never afforded.
@radiozelaza
@radiozelaza 3 года назад
with UltraMID and the game SEAL Team it was a real nightmare, because the game itself required 600kb of conventional memory, while Ultramid took 50kb and you also needed a mouse driver ;)
@Blur4strike
@Blur4strike 6 лет назад
I never knew that Gravis made a soundcard back in the 90's as my dad and I were primarily Creative Labs users back then. Just hearing the soundcard in action via an uploaded video is impressive.
@Rubycon99
@Rubycon99 Год назад
I couldn't even think of what else you would know them for until I remembered the gamepad. :)
@weust2672
@weust2672 4 года назад
The GUS was always mythical to me ever since the demo scene stuff on PC (knowing it on Atari ST before through family). In 1996 when the PnP came out I convinced my dad to buy a Gravis Ultrasound, but had to decide between the Max en the PnP. Wish I had gone with the Max instead, because demo scene stuff didn't use the PnP at all (at least not that I can remember. Seeing here there are clones by Argus really makes me want to check that out.
@LieshaCichol
@LieshaCichol 5 лет назад
4:53 Just cuz it caught my eye, how many of you recognize the term "TSR"??
@b33j4y
@b33j4y 6 лет назад
I own (still do) a 1MB GUS and loved it - but your comparison to SB PRO 2 wasn't really fair. SB cards were terrible until the SB16 because they were 8bit - the difference is night and day. Comparisons to the SB16 would likely render identical results. I also owned an SB16 alongside the GUS which was a perfect setup back in the early 90s. Keep up the great work! More GUS please!
@thezood
@thezood 3 года назад
Man, I'm almost tear eyed. I never got to use a GUS back in the day and now I see they were actually as awesome as we thought.
@b33j4y
@b33j4y Год назад
They were awesome, but they really only stood out because every SB before SB16 was... reeeaaally bad. Though the SB16 was released the same year, as was the PAS16 which also had excellent sound.
@IanRomanick
@IanRomanick 6 лет назад
I had a GUS MAX back in the day, and it's one of the few old bits that I regret selling off. :(
@Peterowsky
@Peterowsky 5 лет назад
The Gravis Analog Pro is the most phallic joystick I've ever seen.
@radiozelaza
@radiozelaza 3 года назад
Damn, I've sold the first GUS for $100 in 1998!
@RealRedRabbit
@RealRedRabbit 6 лет назад
20:14 Holy Christ, One Must Fall was my favorite game ever when it came out.
@pik33100
@pik33100 Год назад
I still have a GUS installed in the ancient 386 PC. Second Reality! And its set of MIDI examples...
@azazelleblack
@azazelleblack 6 лет назад
I haven't finished the video yet, admittedly, but browsing through the comments, where is the love for FM synthesis? I always thought wavetable synthesis (as on the GUS here, and other chips, like the SB AWE series and especially the Super Famicom/SNES' S-SMP chip) sounded really awful compared to good FM synthesis. I already know I wasn't alone, so where are my other FM fans at? (*'▽')
@JamesPotts
@JamesPotts 6 лет назад
I think it depends on the game, and the wavetable. For music written for four-voice adlib, then adlib wins. But games like Tie Fighter sounded much better with wavetable. I had a Yamaha XG daughterboard, and it was pretty pleasant, especially for audio written for more voices.
@azazelleblack
@azazelleblack 6 лет назад
Hehe, you're not wrong, but as an example I actually think the SB Pro 2.0 rendition of GRABBAG (the Duke3D title theme) in this video is better than the GUS MIDI rendition. I've never liked wavetable MIDI, it just doesn't work for non-orchestral music in my opinion. Listen to D_E1M1 on OPL3 and then on GUS MIDI and tell me which one you like more!
@nickwallette6201
@nickwallette6201 6 лет назад
Dist Gtr is not a fair comparison. MIDI guitar didn't start sounding like anything but tuned buzz saws until you got to the late 90s Ensoniq and Roland level, where they could run a distortion algorithm on the samples instead of trying to play samples of a distorted guitar from a 128-instrument ROM bank that maybe totaled 4MB. Some of the piano, choir, and various pad and synth sounds were fantastic though. Soundtracks that played to MIDI's strengths would compare very differently to the bland "bwoannnng" of FM - at least at the low-end OPL-2 level that most games used.
@-taz-
@-taz- 6 лет назад
I only hear FM music on LGR videos because back in the day I'd just turn it off. In a single player game, I'd wait until I had a Roland of some kind, or in multiplayer, I'd turn it off so I can hear other players coming.
@ballandpaddle
@ballandpaddle 6 лет назад
FM can sound amazingly better than that old, cheap sample-based stuff, but only when done very carefully. Ever hear the music to the Sega arcade game Galaxy Force 2? PCM drums, percussion and bass, and FM everything else, and that soundtrack is a masterpiece :D
@pauljensen519
@pauljensen519 6 лет назад
Clint! Welcome back!
@AlexElectronics
@AlexElectronics 6 лет назад
Welcome back from your vacation!
@robotface74
@robotface74 6 лет назад
the gravis just sounds overall fuller. like its completely uncompressed. i would have loved this years ago. something to mess with
@AlexCBrandon
@AlexCBrandon 6 лет назад
So Crystal Codec was night and day compared to SB's codec. (your Jazz comment about how good it sounded). Pretty amazing. I remember being blown away when I installed my GUS Max. Great video, man. Thorough as always.
@AlexCBrandon
@AlexCBrandon 6 лет назад
Listening to your A/B, it's clear SB Pro only played back in 8 bit, with terrible dithering.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 6 лет назад
That's probably not it. Probably just top notch board design.
@AlexCBrandon
@AlexCBrandon 6 лет назад
So I mistyped. Ultimately the difference you hear is the difference between 8 and 16 bit. The GUS was 16. The SB Pro was 8. The difference is significant unless you use better algorithms in your dithering. I've heard 8 bit playback on much earlier computer interfaces that sounded pretty clean. But in this case it's a matter of more bits providing that difference. The original GUS as Clint points out didn't feature a crystal codec.
@AlexCBrandon
@AlexCBrandon 6 лет назад
I know this because I worked with both formats when these cards were released. For the original Unreal, the playback was 8 bit at first in the engine. Carlo Vogelsang and myself convinced Tim to make it 16 bit and the difference was phenomenal.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 6 лет назад
Ah right. Apparently i was replying to your earlier comment.
@sedrosken831
@sedrosken831 3 года назад
I find that pin header just on top of the ISA connector very interesting. The layout leads me to believe that's a breakout of the entire ISA bus. wonder what that would have been used for back in the day -- now, I'm sure any enterprising individual could think of countless uses for it.
@GordonBraicks
@GordonBraicks 5 лет назад
This was a massive jump in audio tech. For graphics we had a 3dfx voodoo, for audio there was GUS.
@janweber7031
@janweber7031 3 года назад
Gravis Ultrasound was my very first sound card bought in 1993. I still have it in my retro PC for DOS gaming.
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