LGR Oddware - Creative 3DO Blaster 

That's actually really an interesting way to look at it. It's really fascinating for its time and it's interesting to see how some tech things just fall flat on their face. ;)

But what happens if you daisy chain them?? offtopic, I forgot they used to fab chips in Malta

I heard you say something about the 3DO Blaster in a blurb and was HOPING you were working on a video for this WONDERFUL piece of Oddware!

A fine card in the long tradition of bridge cards available for different systems, i gotta say. the Amiga had a few PC bridge cards (yeah, it lets you play PC games on an Amiga)...

@Zombobo Smith To be fair, Trip wasn't a saint. He basically threatened to make games for the Genesis and completely leave Sega out of the loop. Tom Kalanski really had to bargain with him to make sure he didn't. That said, he was a visionary and very important part of early gaming.

AGDQ 2021, book it!!!!

Someone needs to speedrun solitaire...

Plumbers is my suggestion.

Or play 3DO Doom in the background while playing DOS Doom.

Solitaire%

1900: "in the future we'll have flying cars" 1912: first aircraft flown at kitty hawk

The first practically working aircraft didn’t take off for another 15 years from 1900

and in 1995 road rash was released for windows so you don't longer need the creative 3do blaster for that

@@shortcat *1996, 1995 was for the saturn

So I wasn't the only one to immediately notice

LGR often puts jokes like this discreetly in the background. It always cracks me up.

it's called the "sunk cost fallacy". the logic is "i've put this amount of time and effort in, if i quit now it's all for nothing". it's the same reason RCA released the selectavision CED.

I wonder if it has to do with the hardware manufactures; like they have an excess of some circuit board template and they figure out that it's more cost effective to make some spin off product than to scrap them. Idk i can't imagine they are that oblivious but who knows

I'm looking at this like the car world, where companies know some cars won't sell well in massive numbers like the Ford GT, and they are released as "Halo" products, to show look at what we can do, in hopes it drives interest in the brand, and general consumers then go O look I can at least afford this Ford Mustang, or F-150 pickup truck, etc... Actually I think it worked somewhat as it got people talking about the Creative brand, which drove sales of their sound cards in the 90's, when they honestly where some of the best you could get at any price.

I think sometimes a product is just a designed failure so investors could write a negative in their business accounts and save taxes.

Well, they THINK some people will buy it. Like that journalist wrote, people who wanted the console out of the living room into the study. Many adults in 1994 didn't realize that (PC) gaming was about to surpass Hollywood in the next years. It was still relatively non-mainstream in 1994. Also don't underestimate rich consumers, they buy all kind of nonsense. Today they sell $400 designer face masks against covid-19

madcatz intensifies

Hubbly bubbly boo!

Underrated comment.

@@crowchillingpark actually when madcatz is licensed by a company their controllers aren't bad. The rock band 3 controllers were built just fine. Grant it them failing weren't a result of them being madcatz more so of Harmonix trying to do what Rocksmith does and dropping the ball more than Stevie wonder dropping well anything. pro keys is still a fairly solid way to learn keyboard stuff better than synthesia and hooking up an electronic drum kit with the midi adapter is the closest we're going to get to any type of Drumsmith type game. Yeah madcatz doing their own controllers are bad licensed it's better because they actually have a quality standard that they need to strictly adhere too.

@@LiviuDragon Just the D-pad alone puts it above anything else.

Especially a PS3 would be awesome. Loads of older or mid-tier PS3 or console exclusives from that generation are on a fast track to obscurity, as there's nowhere except a PS3 to play them.. Stuff like Heavenly Sword, Siren Blood Curse, Folklore or the Resistance and Killzone games. Heck, even Metal Gear Solid IV has yet to make it to another platform than PS3. And you want to play the first RDR not just in not-even-720p and not-even-30fps? Well tough luck, Xbox 360 or PS3 or GTFO.

@@p4rz1val the first RDR was on ps2, though Red Dead Revolver ... which itself needs a re-release

@@Feraligono Yeah im talking about Red Dead Redemption 1 obviously, totally forgot about Revolver.

@@p4rz1val Technically there is RCPS3 (sp?) but IIRC you need a pretty high-end CPU to run any reasonably demanding 3D PS3 game and it's still pretty glitchy, so you'd ultimately be better off buying a cheap used PS3.

Let's hope one day that happens! Even an official emulator I could run on my PC would be cool. But hardware would be really great.

"What kind of Fucked Up game is this??!!!""

OneyPlays did in one of their play throughs, it was hilarious.

@@SWISS-1337 I saw Oneyplays and AVGN play it, funniest videos I've seen from them. 😂

Because they made the real cash on licensing the hardware specs the 3DO had no real Quality control basically because it was so cheap to become a developer the system was mostly shovelware because the big developers stayed away except EA because the 3DO founder started that company before this company.

TAKE YOUR DAMN CLOTHES OFF!

Sing me up too!

@@Conradlovesjoy tra la laaaaa

The reason it's so good is because they didn't have enough time to write a MIDI library, so they just had a band do it and stream it.

Yes, Rebecca Heineman aka Burger Becky did the port under horrendous conditions. That it runs at all is a marvel! Please check out her videos on the topic, where she talks in detail about the development woes. While you're at it, look for "Optidoom" where a coder is trying to improve the 3DO port of Doom. Very interesting to see what could have been.

They ported it from the Atari Jaguar version which id themselves coded. id did all of the heavy lifting with that version.

@@TheJeremyHolloway that version sadly has no music at all

@@silkwesir1444 That's because id rushed it. The music apparently is there. The guys over in the Jaguar forums at AtariAge have the music running in what they're calling the Jaguar's "Slayer Edition" that they're still tweaking.

Hey if you had one would you sell it? I wouldn't

@@DimT670 considering the price it goes for and the 3DO library, this would be the first thing I sell.

@@DimT670 yeah.... I would definitely sell it... Quick, fast, and in a hurry. If you want to play those games, then you should emulate them for free... And an over all better experience at that.

Where is possible to buy? I cannot find on ebay

@@William-Morey-Baker The 3DO emulation isn't perfect in my experience. Road Rash has audio issues in 4DO, whether loading from disc or disc image file, for example. My 3DO's laser has taken a shit and tried emulation in the meantime only to leave disappointed.

pornhub is doing free premium videos today, don't ask me how i know... ;-)

@@Jamal_Tyrone Thanks, but I've got channel 1 scrambled porn. I think I saw a boob the other night!

@@Jamal_Tyrone you lied my dude, don't ask me know I know...

@@yittmashups aka Picasso Porn

Back in the day I bought a VERY expensive Panasonic VCR that had the ability to display the frame you paused on clearly as well as step frame by frame to the desired frame. Good times.

Even my 486 struggled with that game

I thought a 386 was required

I played Doom on a 468 with a very good graphics card with 16mb.

Are you SURE that you ran Doom on a 286 16Mhz? By my understanding, you couldn’t run anything less than a 386. There were not any DOS extenders to handle Doom for that architecture.

@@grumpysteelman Eventually i am wrong, i cant remember exactly when i changed to a 386/SX. Maybe youre right. 😎

Ya!, thats the daddy!

"CALL NOW FOR YOUR FREE 'REEDIN"

I'm getting a Woofy just thinking about it

Her name was Miss Cleo

@@thetexasinstrumentsmassacre Thank you for the correction! :D

What? Pretty sure it was already replaced. If not more than once.

The interlacing is more visible, the faster the screen is. A 30hz TV has so much afterglow, that you barely see it. A sharp CRT-monitor, even from that time does not

@@M4xFr4gg Two different speeds at play, too. One is the overall refresh rate (i.e. 60Hz) which is how often it over-draws the entirety of the screen, the second is the phosphor decay rate, essentially giving the display "persistence of vision" beyond your own actual persistence of vision. This latter essentially eliminates perceptible interlacing except on very rapid horizontal motion. LCDs and other modern displays have incredibly rapid response rates, including "decay" rates. Though I will admit, one of my LG LCD panels is starting to get the CRT feels in terms of burn-in…

“TaKe YoUR dAmN cLoThEs OfF!!”

Yah...if you lived in Japan 😄

@@mercian9425 zoomer comment

@@simulatedfish1995 Chill, Ya'll just the same, a bunch of angry Nerds.

Hahaha! Ah... Bleem...

ISA

For coming out a few years later bleem was much more elegant

essentially the PS1 development board?

And also instead of emulating the Playstation, it emulates Atari Jaguar or something

Surprising made in Singapore

can i have one

Me too

If I knew they would be worth that much, I would have bought the entire stock..

I would not be surprised if the majority of these were scrapped, which is why they're so pricey now.

@@TheRealColBosch To be later exhumed from a New Mexico landfill

you poor bastard lol

Why though? It was cheaper to buy the console if you combined that you had to own a specific CD Driver and a compatible sound card as well.

maybe they already had a CL soundcard+ CDROM drive.

If you still have it today it turned out alright

Welp, that kinda sucks. Did you have a good time with it tho?

Space Invaders on NES? Did this guy do his research??

@@QJ89 To be fair... "Taito later released [Space Invaders] for the Nintendo Famicom in 1985, but just in Japan." But definitely an old fogey who thought "Nintendo" was a generic name for a video game console, just like how they called tissues "Kleenex". Just like most parents back then, lmao

Ha ha, from the age where every game system was a "Nintendo" to squares.

@@QJ89 : Also someone who never lost a few.... months playing a Dragon Warrior game or Final Fantasy or anything with actual progression in it.

depends on how many ISA slots you're computer has

This is where a 1990s SBC would be practical, similar to LGR SBC build.

@@michealpersicko9531 I think addressing issues and software compatibility will give up before you run out of slots

I played it on an emulator recently for the first time since probably about 1997 and yeah... Memories are definitely rose colored.

Maybe that’s why I subconsciously decided to buy the game on Sega saturn

Thanks, I'm always seeking to up my game!

@@LGR And you have done so! Greetings from Greece!

LGR you desperately need to teach Pewdiepie a few things

It really has. I've been watching LGR for years and I still get excited about new episodes. So much entertainment, Thanks Clint.

@@LGR pipo, pó

3DO + Sega + PC what would todays 'PC master race' think ;)

Jon-Paul Filkins There's also PSX devkit but I don't think you can fit them all in one PC, so sadly no Sega 3DO PlayStation PC.

This card in an Amstrad MegaPC would've been quite sugary indeed. :)

@@shadowflash705 I reckon you could fit them all in one PC. A quick bit of googling around suggests that the Amstrad MegaPC basically just had the Megadrive on an ISA card plugged into it (so I'd assume that can be moved to a different PC, the software may need some convincing to play along with that). PSX devkits, at least early ones, were either one or two ISA cards. This thing here is an ISA card. Motherboards with 3 or 4 free ISA slots definitely exist, so it should be possibly to cram all of this into one PC. Whether any two, let alone the full set, of these cards would play nice with each other is another question entirely, of course...

@@juliusapweiler1465 Yeah, the Mega PC was pretty boring as far as it goes. The two halves basically don't interact at all. Not even in the way this 3do card does. It's basically just a mega drive on a card powered by the PC bus... The Japanese TeraDrive is far more interesting even though the PC side of it has much worse specs. (it's a 286. Released in 1994... Yeah...) For one, the PC and Mega Drive section can communicate and you can load code to the 68000 from the PC. The PC can also directly use the Yamaha 2612 to play audio... So, Sega was pretty weird here. On the one hand we had the Amstrad Mega PC which has so little interaction between the parts that it's almost pointless. And on the other you had the TeraDrive which has actual integration and interesting functionality, but the PC side of things is so woefully antiquated and underpowered for the year it released in that nobody sane would want that. The TeraDrive with a 486 would have been something special. As it stands it seems like it was built to fail...

What do you mean, he always does that. It's the LGR way. Why waste energy on trying to do something during the intro. ==Edit== You just have to deal with him staring into your soul for a bit.

Maybe it's just a still frame

ato I can see him slightly moving

Didn't really care. We didn't buy the 3DO to play DooM. Imagine how PC users felt when the Amiga version was obscenely superior. Nobody cared.

It was a bad port. Says nothing about the system.Actually in the amount of time they spend and how many people worked on it, its a miracle it actually even exists.

Least the soundtrack for the 3DO version was cool. Wonder what an actual good port of Doom to the 3DO could've been like.

I definitely didn't care since I bought the 3DO mainly for it's version of Street Fighter and Need for Speed. Twisted was an incredible bonus.

@@mrcrunch8000 I bought it for Twisted. Immercenary was probably my favorite game but it's a tough decision; I spent a lot of time with others

There are probably more than a few toaster ovens on the market today that have the processing power to run doom.

Atari card you say? Was deemed perfectly legal because the atari was purely off the shelf components.

@@singletona082 what are you referencing? Even the Atari 2600 had the custom TIA chip inside of it that was later cloned. Atari sued Coleco over patent infringement over it and they settled for $300 million+.

It's like Bleem, except shit!

If you haven’t already, you should watch DF Retro’s video on Doom’s 1990s console ports. It explains why the 3DO version is the way it is. :)

There was a version you could play on RU-vid, but it no longer works since YT has since disable annotations, and it was taken from the 3DO if memory serves correctly.

@@CommodoreFan64 Ah, RU-vid. Proudly making their own service worse since 2005.

AVGN made video about that game

@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Thanks for sharing what everyone already knows 🤦

@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Yeah, 9 years ago until now this is it!

It's very creepy, one could even say it's dead creepy.

With both the 3DO and Saturn console-on-a-card flopping right on their faces, I'm not surprised it never made it to market.

Probably says a to about me that I would have bought one, or a playstation hardware card, sony why didn't you release one of those? Oh right, only insane people like me would want one.

Shit I'd pay $400 for a PS4 one of these. It'd be a much more elegant solution than gigabit Ethernet and remote play.

Can't you just use bleem?

@@EscanthonX but then they only get to take your money once.

What is different about it?

@@the-engneer burger Becky ported the Mac port to the 3DO because she was familiar with ID software and 2DO was scared they begged her new company to take over the art data port and discovered that the ceo nkew nothing about development doom was coded in 3 weeks using the jaguar port code she got FedEx from Carmack and could only get the target FPS with the small default frame.

There was a Sega Saturn card. It also flopped. Reviewed in this same channel.

Considering how quickly ps1 emulators came out before the console was even outdated, there was no need.

Or fpga in the near future.

You can set up a virtual machine, or an emulator of Raspbian OS, the standard operation system of the raspberry pi, and run that from your PC. That way you'll get the full experience of a raspberry pi emulation without needing a pci-e expansion card!

The hell does that even mean?

@@tetsujin_144 i think quarantine is when you keep people exposed to a virus away from everyone else

I love that game, but everything about it hits different in 2020 lol.

​@@OnlySuper That was exactly the correct answer. Frank Drebin would be proud.

one thing I'll give it, is it had one of the best SSFIIT ports until the PS2 era

To be fair, it did have some legitimately great exclusives. Except most of these were later ported to other systems.

@@theunbearablejuan yea like plumbers don't wear ties right?

@@thecunninlynguist I'd imagine some SF2 fans who were rabid enough got one just for that port

@@DimT670 I was thinking about Killing Time, Hell, Lucienne's Quest, Return Fire and Wing Commander 3. But again, most of these were later ported either to the PC, PlayStation or Saturn.

there's an SD Adapter for regular 3DOs so it would be funny to see it enabled on this card.

@@TheJeremyHolloway Wouldn't be possible. You would need a special SD adapter for the CD drive, since it's different, but they don't make one.

@@kit7une_ there is an SD adapter for 3DO players...

Although i can imagine with PCs being considerably bigger as consoles in continental europe compared to NA, maybe they did ship a few unites more of the 3D0 card

No it wasn't. Look at how it played DOOM. I had DOOM running on a Cyrix clone of a 486 with a VESA Local Bus video card and the audio played through my Sound Blaster 16, and it played full-screen. Resolution wasn't great but it was much more playable than on that tiny central overlay on the 3DO card. The Panasonic 3DO was never a terribly good system. Consoles like the Sony Playstation came out in 1994 and had far better hardware and games that seemed to use that hardware. Most desirable 3DO titles were simply ports from other systems, and there weren't enough original/exclusive 3DO titles of quality to bother with the system. Console gamers were used to their cartridges and the replacement system needed to be pretty spectacular to attract them away (think Playstation) and the PC itself could natively play a lot of the games available on the 3DO. Probably worst for the 3DO, the PC's games were often readily copied, so there was no need to buy them to play them, or the kids these were marketed-to couldn't have afforded to buy the games (or the console) anyway, but the family *_might_* have enough need to justify having the home computer and possibly even upgrading the video card for a couple-hundred bucks.

How can you say it was a good card? It doesn't accelerate Dos/windows games so there is no basis to quantify the card

@@TWX1138 The awful port of DOOM isn't the hardware's fault. It was rush-developed by a solo programmer who was given no resources and a ridiculous deadline.

for like 3 months? LOL

@@sammoyers4792 and honestly, given the conditions and the fact that it was destined to fail, Rebecca heineman did okay with it. From what I remember she actually had to seek help from John carmack and use the Jaguar version as a base. She has a video on RU-vid where she talks about the history and development of that port.

Yes, Bjork does.

@@draketungsten74 So does the director of Hackers.

@@bitwize Good point, I knew there was at least one movie that did that.

Only the older ones. Nowadays is flat surface mount components without any interesting shape, and possibly adorned to cater to the vapid "gamer" culture.

He's not, but you are. You read his mind.

Also Wolfenstein was a great port. CD quality music and sound effects plus redrawn art/upgraded graphics. Added a flamethrower & rocket launcher too!

64 million pixels is more than 720p at 60fps and I don't see anything remotely close to that. Where did they get that number from.

Wasn't it 10 million? (the first generation 3dFX has a 50 million pixel fillrate. The n64 has 60 million on paper, but due to the flaws in it's design probably more like 30 million in practice... But of course, with 8 megabytes of system memory the n64 can in fact do 640x480, or higher for a PAL system) But yeah, it's pretty sad. Low framerates aside the SNES version seems to do better...

@@KuraIthys 640x480 @ 50fps is still less than 15.4mp/s Guess they must be counting anti aliasing as a multiplier.

@@bloodypommelstudios7144 You have to keep in mind that for a 3d system the fillrate has to be much higher than the output resolution. For instance, if you have bilinear texture filtering, you need to sample 4 texture pixels to draw a single pixel onscreen. Thus, the pixel 'fillrate' from that alone has to be 5 times the screen resolution. Now think about say, the n64. It has a fill rate of 60 million pixels (theoretically), and it's known to be fill rate limited, not say geometry limited. So, what features does the n64 have? Perspective correct texturing, multitexturing (2 textures), bilinear and trilinear filtering, environment mapping, z-buffering... Let's go through those for a typical 320x240 image and see how much fill rate this eats; 320x240 is 76,800 pixels. (in the case of the n64 internally it uses 24 bit colour, though the output is 21 bit; keep in mind that in reality the number of bytes manipulated is as relevant as the number of pixels.) Great. No problem. that 60 times a second is about 4.6 million pixels. Ah, but wait. We have a z-buffer. That also counts. It has the same resolution as the output. So, double that to 9.2 million pixels. Oh, but wait, each texture access costs us a pixel, and presumably we want most of the environment to have a texture, right? So... That's another access right there. Now we're up to 13.8 Oh, but wait, remember that bilinear filtering? Yeah... That's going to require 4 accesses for each textured pixel. So now we're at 6 pixels per final pixel. Actually, we're using mipmapping and thus trilinear filtering. Make that 7. Whoops. We just hit 32.2 million pixels/second that the hardware has to deal with. And keep in mind we're only rendering 320x240 here. Oh, but we can do multitexturing, right? Add another 5 accesses... Uhoh. We're at 55.2 million pixels drawn now... And our theoretical limit was 60... And there's more effects... And this assumes we've made sure there's no overdraw (meaning the game logic can properly identify overlapping geometry without simply drawing multiple things, which wastes fill rate like crazy...) Yeah, you get the point I hope. There is WAY more going on with 'fill rate' as it's called than just drawing the final image onscreen. It's a measure of the TOTAL ability of the graphics chip to manipulate pixels, including in internal operations. For comparison, my laptop with low end dedicated graphics from 2006 that can in practice run games of the era at about 1280x800 at framerates of less than 15 fps... has a theoretical fill rate approaching 125 billion pixels a second. And it struggles doing 1280x800 at 15 fps! Point is, the fill rate also has to account for all the stuff the GPU is doing internally that doesn't directly show up in the final image...

It is easy to think of it as junk today, but at the time, people were playing games from floppies and you didn't even have hardware capable enough of playing 240p mpeg 1 videos. I still remember having to go to a friend's house that owned a pentium to watch video clips in mpeg 1 that were added as bonus on music singles.For those at the time crappy computers to play road rash, it wasn't junk. If anything, it failed because of sofware, rather than hardware.

@@georgeioakeimidis209 watch mpeg1 with out a decode card. just use your Pentium 133.in that time this is so amazing.i still remember my first PC playing mpeg1 CD and all my friends says it's future technology.

DOOMception

With a keyboard

The stamp is used to send smart fridges preloaded with skyrim.

Atala Keanu Monarshi "mid 90s laugh"

*captions

Atala Keanu Monarshi Yes way you finally got one

Doubt that it is, but whether it's 99.99% or 90% accurate? Who knows.

I mean, it's an "official" 3DO, just as much as the standalone consoles. I don't see why it wouldn't be fair game for speedrunning, just like you can speedrun on both original hardware or Virtual Cobsole since they're also both official. Unless, of course, the card gives you a significant advantage, in which case it definitely won't be valid since only a very small amount of people would be able to compete.

@@nawor3565 well they might have to separate category since it might not be accurate to the original 3do's speed or if it's slow just time RTA even if the game has a in-game timer

Mad Dog was one of my favorite games on the system

@@chrismacrae6990 Me too 😊

they messed her face up before it was cool XD

It looked wierd because they just crunched down the resolution. CPS2 arcade is 384×224. 3DO I think is 320x240.

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Nice pfp

aren't modern consoles mostly x86 anyway

@@kingcavespider1845 yeah, it wouldnt make sense but it didnt make sense back in the days either :D

Given the thought that OG Xbox emulation and Sega Saturn emulation isn't that good, I would LOVE BOTH on a PC in an expansion card.

@@CaptainZombeh well they have the sega Saturn diamond edge card

Doesn't Origin PC make a PC with an Xbox One/PS4 in it?