From what I've read and heard, Mary actually did care for Elizabeth when she was a child, and that they had a pretty decent relationship. I think it was after Mary became Queen that that relationship began to crumble, due to Mary's distrust of Elizabeth, as well as their difference in religious beliefs.
It was long before Mary became Queen. Elizabeth had a bewitching personality just like her mother had.....so Henry VIII made sure sad and sober persons were her teachers and servants. At 14 Mary was aware that Thomas Seymour was dallying with her in Catherine Parrs house......and Elizabeth had a crush on him, and she did secretly entertain thoughts of his marriage proposal after Catherine Parr died. Mary knew all this. Her coquettish behaviour reminded Mary of Anne Boleyn. So it was from Elizabeths adolescence that Mary resented her.
@Jlord37 That was later. But Mary despised her from adolescence onwards. She was thought to be coquettish like her mother had been - the dalliance with Katherine Parrs husband - she caught Elizabeth in his arms and Liz wasn't resisting. She also entertained his marriage proposals as soon as K. Parr died. This was infamous at court.
Mary was made to be a servant to Elizabeth in her household. And anytime referred to herself as a princess instead of Elizabeth, Anne told the others to box her ears, and remind her that she was now a bastard! So no wonder she resented Elizabeth probably from the very beginning, as she took her role as princess and heir to the throne, and Mary was now referred to as Lady Mary. But as a sister I'm sure she had times where she did love her, but the bad things that happened to her because of Anne never left her mind, and it probably made her blood boil, and when that happens sister or not, you better get out of the way. Especially during her years as queen!!
wow, where do some of you folks get your info from??? pretty strange stuff! Mary always had a resentment for Elizabeth since the day she was born. She lost her royal status and was sent to Elizabeth's household while Elizabeth was an infant to serve her as the royal princess! Mary and her mother were treated horribly by the king. Mary was catholic, Elizabeth was protestant. As they grew up, they tolerated each other and when Mary ascended the throne, Elizabeth accompanied her into London. Because of religious differences, Mary became even more distrustful of Elizabeth. She just may have imprisoned Elizabeth longer, or worse, but for the timely intervention of Mary's husband, Philip of Spain, who advised her against further action against Elizabeth. Mary wanted to be in her husband's good graces more than anything else and once she believed she was pregnant, that was the end of that.
It was the prince of spain, and religion, and her advisors that drove the sisters apart Marys love of a roving eyed prince blinded her to his faults, and all the religious beliefs
this show's name was not Henry the Eight, it was The Tudors. Therefore this show had to go on at least two more seasons, and show us the Bloody Mary and Queen Elizabeth.
Alma Shatri: Too bad that you would find watching a show that would have included the greatest Queen of England boring. Obviously, you are in the minority. There have been several popular dramatizations of the life of Elizabeth I. She made England into a world power--something Henry VIII was incapable of.
That would be awesome. They could do three seasons: First season: Edward VI (with a little bit of Lady Jane Grey) Second season: Mary I Third season: Elizabeth I.
Why didn't they do this? Was the show not popular enough? You know each and every fan would have watched each one of those. The only problem would have been that a lot of the magic of the saga would have been lost without Jonathan's portrayal of Henry.
I think, in the end, Queen Anne had the last laugh, when her daughter, Elizabeth eventually became Queen.. Not only was she a very good Queen, but one of the best Queens there had ever been..
I think most definitely that Katherine of Aragon had the last laugh for several reasons. 1. On the day of her burial, Anne miscarried a son (and never got one), and her fate was doomed. 2. Her daughter became queen, and had the power over what to do with Elizabeth at the time - Mary 1 gave us Elizabeth 1.
@@MorganMalfoy13 And Elizabeth spent quite a bit of time in her household and Anne of Cleaves more or less took her under her wing and treated her like a daughter. Anne was a strong and independent woman and no doubt Elizabeth learned about how to be one from her.
who would imagine that the girl who was rejected by her father since the moment she was born one day she would become one of the greatest monarchs in English´s history? wherever her mother is i am pretty sure that she is very but very proud of her, Anne Boleyn gave to Henry the son that he always wanted and desired....
You know it's funny that they revere Elizabeth for who she was. Don't get me wrong I'm not disagreeing, but many people forget that her mother was Anne Boleyn. I can't imagine any other fate for the daughter of the woman that made King Henry change the world. He turned his realm into a place of calamity and disorder all to love a woman who gave him a daughter in the end. The most famous daughter and one of the greatest rulers of all time...I wish I could ask him if he was proud?!!!!
Lisa Rado Elizabeth was the son that Anne give Henry It too ironic that the child that he didn't want and need from birth would become one of the greatest rulers all because she was born a girl
I still regret that they never made a spinoff show about the reign of Edward, Mary and Elizabeth. That show would’ve been amazing. Especially if they were to retain the original actors.
Even if they did bring the series back, it would never measure up to the power and magic of Seasons 1 and 2. There was something so timeless about it, and the story between Anne Boleyn and Henry VIII was absolutely spectacular. It took me to another world.
My thoughts exactly tbh. Jonathan and Natalie are iconic as Henry and Anne. The people who play Wolsey and Cromwell and Catherine of Aragon did spectacular jobs as well.
sereneandtranquil I also liked Jeremy Northam as Thomas More. Both he and Cromwell were well done, and that’s so hard to do. Kind family men, but also completely fixed in their belief to the point of allowing torture and killing of those they deemed enemies of God. It’s hard to play that well. Thomas More had some very interesting and advanced ideas on raising his kids and seemed a very devoted father and friend. It’s hard to come to terms with both sides in one person. Deftly done.
@@jinnyapolinario1856 She didn't burn them. Elizabeth beheaded people for treason. If they refused to be loyal to her for religious reasons, well, that's still treason. She never burned people simply for religious grounds alone without them having committed political crimes as well, which was not punishable by burning but beheading. At least not according to any history books I've read.
I wouldn't mind seeing a prequel of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, and then the stories of Edward, Mary and Elizabeth. Mary's actor however Sarah Bolger needs to stay as Mary and maybe the same red-headed girl who played Elizabeth. It would be perfect as both have grown since the show ended and just keeping up the continuity of seeing a face you remember from The Tudor's series. Of course this is my imagination but it would be nice if it became reality.
I definitely agree with you! I'd absolutely love to see a "prequel" to The Tudors staring King Henry VIII father, Henry VII and his mother Elizabeth of York. A lot of people don't know much about Henry Tudor (King Henry VII) and how he became king. Even the tragic story of his mother, Margaret Beaufort is one that's worth telling. The poor girl was forced to marry at the age of 12, and then getting pregnant at the age of 13 with her only child Henry Tudor is just heartbreaking!
Well actually either showtime or HBO I don't remember which is producing a show called The White Princess which is technically a sequel to the White Queen but I'm pretty sure it is about the early years of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York
KnightOwl61687 Yeah! The White Princess JUST began airing like 2 weeks back, it's the prequel :) And there's also The White Queen who was Elizabeth of York's mother so look into that!
mrsparkle001 I can't understand why they bring us these awesome dramas that give such insight to the Tudors as well as the others of their time and both before and after as well only to have it all come to a halt. I mean I get that the stories have to end eventually and we all know what happened anyway (well those of us who know our history) but why start something like they did with The White Princess if they were just going to end it there?
I loved the Tudors, but what he is saying is inaccurate. Hertford wasn't the Lord protector when Edward was dying. Hertford had been executed a year before. It was John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland who tried to replace Mary and Elizabeth with Lady Jane Grey.
Brennon Flowers You're right. If memory serves, he tried to make his son Guilford (I believe thst was how it was spelled) Dudley de facto king of England by having him marry Jane Grey. Since he kept his son under his thumb, he would have been the one holding the reins. But then Mary won out.
Keyser Soze Thomas Seymour was executed for treason. His attempt to seduce young Elizabeth was very small part of it. Mostly, his envy of his brother’s Edward position was the reason behind his poorly thought through actions. It was reported Thomas, being the head of English Navy was seen to get the Navy support to rebel against his brother (and ES, his brother, being The Lord Protector, this meant rebelling against his nephew the king as well). ES tried to remedy the situation and called Thomas before Privy Council, but Thomas did not arrive. The last straw was Thomas entering the young king’s apartment, armed (which was also against the law) with the intension of removing the king to gain control over his person, and asking the king for more power at court and in the realm. However, Edwards’ dog barked, Thomas killed it, but too late. Barking alerted the guards and Thomas was captured armed and next to the Kong’s bedchamber, which was enough to execute him for treason in and of itself. Thomas was found guilty of treason on multiple counts (33 or 34 counts of treason) and beheaded within a month after conviction. Edward, the King, wrote a very short and rather indifferent and unemotional mention of Thomas’s execution is his diary on the day of it.
@@milanamughal How does anyone know what was going on in the mind of Thomas Seymour that night, really? That was his defense in court? He sounds very foolish.
How ironic that in the end the heir who would secure England's fututre was not the son he had long wanted but the daughter he once discarded and whose mother he killed. Long live Elizabeth the Virgin Queen of the Golden Age!
@@jinnyapolinario1856 well everything comes with a price. She couldn't be with the man she loves because she had to put the welfare of the kingdom above all else. Plus Elizabeth was really careful with her sexual reputation wherein she presents herself as a sacrosanct monarch you wouldn't dare touch unlike her cousin Mary Queen of Scots who let her emotions rule her all the time that got her involved with two morons that she ended up being viewed by her own people as a slut. It was never easy for James I being the successor of such a great queen.
Ira Williams good point. My main point is that how many lives did Henry sacrifice to have a son only ended up their dynasty. I understand the political and personal urge of Henry but he also forgot that the real reason his marriage with Catherine was push so the Tudors can make their reign acceptable. He was descended from an illegitimate ruler. Catherine on the other side has more rights being descended from a legal English monarch.
I don't think this guy did a very good job at explaining why Mary didn't sign Elizabeth's death warrant. I highly doubt it was solely because it was their fathers will. Mary had plenty reason to hate her father. I think in the end, Mary refused to sign because she loved her sister. She had a hand in rearing her and Elizabeth had been loyal to her during the Lady Jane Gray situation when Mary took up arms and raised an army against Jane and took England for herself where she and Elizabeth rode into London together.
Jo Seph Exactly. Mary and Elizabeth surely had a rocky relationship, there was a lot of pain there for both of them, but I think it’s inaccurate of this guy to say that Mary simply disliked Elizabeth.
Demi Guerrero The hell are you talking about? How the hell did he end up alone? He died whilst still being married to his final wife, Catherine Parr and whilst having left three children who would succeed him. Good grief...do you research before you go talking out of your ass.
Henry was surrounded by his Court, his wife and his children. But in his heart and soul he was alone. He abused his family and had friends and family members killed. He was a cruel man, and in the end I think his soul was haunted by guilt for all the evil deeds he had done. You Reap What You Sow Henry!!!!
There was only one Tudor generation after Henry - Edward, Mary & Elizabeth. After Elizabeth, the throne passed to Mary Queen of Scots son, James VI of Scotland /James I of England. His son was Charles I...and that's a whole other story.
Beemoji If they sort of balanced the narrative so that Mary Stuart and her son were not seen as villains, then they could continue through to the Stuart line, but honestly if they spanned even two decades a season, just until the end of the Tudor reign, that’s a lot of material to work with.
If Princess Elizabeth had been put to death on order of Mary, then who would have followed Mary to the throne upon her own death? Her marriage to King Philip had produced no children. I wonder whether the throne would have passed to her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots.
+Rhaegar Targaryen Imagine that. No Elizabethan Era. The tentative Reformation begun by Henry would have been undone. Spain would likely have faced no rival in the colonization of the Americas. Spain would not have endured the defeat of its Armada. (In fact, there would have been no need for such an Armada to be constructed.) Playwrights like Shakespeare would have faced a decidedly less friendly atmosphere.
It would not have been Queen of scots. Henry excluded the Scottish line of his sister Margaret from the succession (which Elizabeth later ignored in handing the succession over to a tudor grandson James I in 1603). Henrys succession act and will had the Greys as next in line (the descendants of Brandon and Mary Tudor his younger sister). So it would have been Jane Grey who would legally have become queen or her rather ditzy far less educated sister. Mary might have wanted it to be Queen of Scots since she was a catholic but who knowws if she'd have had a choice since Mary was a foreigner in France and the Greys were right there
actually almost none of the 300 or so who burnt at the stake were traitors nor did Mary's regime say they were traitors. They were condemned as heretics not traitors. Mary and Elizabeth did execute almost the same number of persons but Elizabeth executed that number as traitors over 30 years (and none in her first 12 years) Mary executed a similar number in 3 years as heretics for little things such as not being able to name the 7 sacraments.
The speaker has his history wrong! Hertford had been executed before Edward died. It was John Dudley, the Duke of Northumberland, who tried to place his daughter-in-law and grandniece of Henry VIII on the throne. He failed and was executed shortly thereafter. Jane was imprisoned, but was not immediately executed until there was another uprising against Mary Tudor when she announced she would marry Philip of Spain. That is the same Philip who sent the Armada against Elizabeth's England many years later. BTW, most royal Tudor boys died in their teens from some disease or another. That includes Prince Arthur, Henry Fitzroy, and the son of Mary Rose Tudor (Queen of France briefly) and Charles Brandon. So it's not too mysterious that Edward died young, too. Besides the two Henry Tudors, Margaret Tudor's son, King James V of Scotland, is the only one I can think of who made it to full adulthood.
After watching The Tudors from beginning to end with great interest, I think I'm going to have to check out the Cate Blanchett films about Elizabeth. Henry the VIII has to be one of the most fascinating monarchs of known history, second only maybe to Julius Caesar. Definitely going to miss this show.
I cared only about Mary I, and also Catherine of Aragon, and Anne Boleyn, and Jane Seymour, and Anne of Cleves, and Katherine Howard, and Catherine Parr.
You know whats ironic. Mary was the daughter of Katherine of Aragon who was beloved by a lot of people. Mary ended up being the most hated queen of English history. Elizabeth was the daughter of Anne Boleyn who was hated by people. Elizabeth ended up being the greatest monarch of English history. I thinks thats ironic. I love this show though.
YOu'd be dissapointed, there was nothing really "Bloody" about her. More people were put to death in the reign of her father and the reign of her younger sister. History shows she was a capable Queen and improved England in the short time she had..ELizabeth just took the credit for alot of Mary's work then slandered her. It's just a sad story.
MultiEvil85 Oh, and Elizabeth was a great queen was she...? How exactly, other than history embellishing how "great" she was just because she was Anne Boleyn's daughter? Elizabeth slaughtered massive numbers of catholics and innocent lives of her own. People just like to gloss it over in favour of referring to her as some sort of magnificent queen. Frankly, she's the sole reason the Tudor dynasty died---because she failed to marry and have children.
I hate that people say the Tudor’s line ended with Elizabeth yes Henry’s line ended but the tudors still live on the tudors continued through a daughter the eldest Margaret it was her great grandson that continued the line and still continues to the day his line was called Stuart but he was a Tudor
Marys regin was called bloody because of why she put them to death not numbers. Elizabeth executed for treason, thats why those preists etc died, very few for heresy. Mary executed you for your opinions, Elizabeth for trying to murder her
The Tudors claim might had been false. If Edward VI was bastard which has been looked in to in some studies. Then George of Clarance children Margaret (Pole) and Edward Earl of Warwick was the real claimants to the throne. Since that Edward was imprisoned and then killed on the orders of Henry VII (hate him for that) the real legitimate heirs are Margaret Poles children.
Anyone who wants to find out what happened next , the series, available onyoutube,ELIZABETH R, starts when Edward is king and goes right through mary and elizabeths reigns its 9 hours worth its pure gold
Mary was queen but not the queen england wanted. Elizabeth was the true queen since by law katherine of Aragon wasnt his legal wife. She was a great lady but wasnt the rightful queen . Anne was. Its why Edward and mary died so shortly after taking the throne. Elizabeth was pure and reigned for 45 years. Henry knew it as well
However it was not very accurate. Even though this show took its liberties, I was disappointment by how many things they changed it and made up for the movies. Especially when Elizabeth's life was already amazing. I wanted to see her love story with Dudley. Instead they ruined his character in the first movie and completely erased him for the second.
During interviews they actually said they had combined certain characters into one therefore not to confuse the audience by introducing too many characters.
He mentioned that Mary never liked Elizabeth. But I thought they had a close sister relationship when they were younger...? It only turned bad in Mary's reign.
They were very close during Elizabeth's formative years. Elizabeth even supported Mary's claim to the throne during Jane Grey's reign. They didn't drift apart till much later.
I always feel torn between who my favorite queen was. Katharine (Catherine, however you prefer it spelled) of Aragon had to go through so much, yet she was a good queen. She was tolerant, patient, loving, and I admire her. But Anne of Boleyn, the exact opposite is also admirable. Anne knew what she wanted, and although it was her ambition that killed her, went through everything to get it. However if Anne didn't put Mary through hell, both Mary and Elizabeth would have been great queens.
I feel that Mary was doomed no matter what. His father would have done anything except making her his heir. He would not have consented to a marriage for her while he was alive. Then, she was foolish and married Philip. She fell for him and he didn't not fall for her, which gave him all the power in their relationship. She lost a lot as consequence, while he lost nothing.
@@AnzuBrief I do agree Mary wouldn't have had it easy either way. As much as I feel for her and Katherine, I think Katherine could've prevented Mary's situation from becoming worse if she had agreed to a divorce. Mary would've stayed acknowledged as a princess and It was better than a flat annulment. But alas, Katherine was determined to hang on to her crown and husband, not that you could blame her considering how much she went through for both.
I loved this series even if it was highly dramatized but it really should have been called something else. It focused on Henry and his wives. Very little about his even more famous daughter or the many generations of Tudors that came before him.
Actress Helen Miren did a two part series on Elizabeth I (not to be confused with Miren's Elizabeth the II movie) in her later years, which was fantastic. I would highly recommend it!
Liz persecuted Catholicism before anyone tried to depose her. It was her first move as queen. Cromwell rose because he moved against the abbeys (money for his King), he fell for different reasons. Which abbey's did Liz restore? Other rulers supported arts etc. without being a tyrant. Should we respect rulers like the Shah of Iran because of his funding of culture?
No wonder The Tudors was so inaccurate if Michael Hirst cannot get the history correct in this video. Hertford became the Duke of Somerset, and was executed by Edward a few years after his succession. The person who tried to make Lady Jane Grey queen, was John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland. Further Lady Jane Grey was not ever crowned. Mary initially did not execute Jane, but did execute Northumberland very early on, because Mary realised Jane was a pawn.
It was "Northumberland" "John Dudley" who hatched the plan to put Jane Grey on the throne. Hertford was executed in January 1552, and Edward died, in July 1553.
The Tudors took the throne by the sin of Regicide. The whole line was cursed right through the Stuarts. They had unprecidented problems with fertility, legal heirs, and securing the succession. They remain the bloodiest dynasty to ever rule England.
Not regicode, but warfare. The whole reason for the Wars of the Roses was because of a disputed English succession. The Tudors did continue: the present royal family is descended from Margaret, Henry VII's eldest daughter.
There were previous regicides and William the Conqueror didn't exactly waltz into England. Then there were the bloody battles between Matilda, daughter of Henry I and her cousin, Stephen. The Tudors did nothing all that unique.
And "incredible" queen who executed hundreds and hundreds of innocent lives. But let's not let facts get in the way of your worship of her or anything.
I don't see where what you write brings facts in opposition to what I said. I did not defend Mary, I merely contradicted the cult made around Elizabeth the greatest Queen. Sure, Liz was shrewder than her older sister but if anyone wants to blast Mary for her persecutions, let's not be silent about Elizabeth's which affected a far greater percentage of the population.
Elizabeth did not kill anybody for their religions beliefs. She killed traitors... and yet, in far less greater number that her father or her sister (if we compare it to the number of years each of them ruled)
Young King Edward was given arsenic to keep him a live a bit longer to give the real controllers time to get Lady Jane married off and made queen. Edward was in agony and begged to die but they didn't allow it until Jane was queen.
A very good movie out about Queen Jane Grey tells a lot about her, her life, and what she was put through by the people around her. The movie was called Lady Jane with Helena Bonham Carter as Jane.
Responder a este vídeo... amd that was when her investiment in arts that helped. Politically she played mostly in defense and trying to avoid a civil war, but belive me...historically the religious thing faced serious problems, but she got more under control & the fact that in her death bead she mad a easy succession possible by pointing her cousin made it to continue to be possible...
@loverofLN I caught that, too. but Thomas Seymour was actually the one who tried to break into King Edward's bedchamber to hold him for ransom and take control away from Hertford, but of course he failed and was executed for treason in 1549. Hertford followed him to the block in 1552, in the wake of John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland's rise to power as Lord Protector. Northumberland married his son Guildford to Lady Jane Grey and masterminded her ultimately failed succession
If Elizabeth had been executed by Mary Tudor, Mary would have ensured the throne did NOT pass to Mary Queen of Scots. Mary [half English, half Spanish] had an alliance with Spain against France. Mary queen of Scots [half Scottish, half French] was married to the Dauphin, eldest son of the King of France ,i.e. the enemy. Mary's prefered choice of succesor would have been her cousin, Margaret Douglas daughter to Margaret Tudor [older sister of Henry VIII] by her second marriage. However she might have accepted her father's judgement on the succesion , in which case it would have passed to Lady Katharine Grey, younger sister of Lady Jane and grand daughter of Mary Tudor [ younger sister of HenryVIII].
@teenierx take it with a grain of salt though because they deviated a lot from what actually happened. Noticed how The producer talked about Lady Jane Grey in this video yet she was not even in the series at all. Her entrei existence was written out of the show.
@mainsqueeze1977 History certainly supports your take on Mary not being the most hated monarch in English history, but I should very much like to know who rivals Elizabeth for the title of the greatest and what evidence you would use to support that. Henry VIII himself certainly would be on that very short list, but whom else?
