Excellent demonstration. It seems like the REIN and PLHv2 both offer good balance of throw and spill, with the user's preference of color temperature being the deciding factor. They both show how far we've come from the 600DF which isn't even that old. I hope your daughter got something for being so patient with all those tests!
Yall need to watch the vids of the Rein going dim after a few min of runtime its whack. It will be good enough for spontaneous use which is 80% of peoples use... That good color comes at a price w lumen drop after a few min of battery draw ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--1s9BTQY6Ng.html
I watched all the „reviews“ of the Rein you can find on RU-vid. But yours give‘s me the best informations on the performance of the light. Thank you for your outstanding work! Shout out from Berlin
I honestly hardly ever "like" a video, rarely do I subscribe, I NEVER comment, let alone to a channel I've watched one video on. But by golly you are amazing for taking the time and putting on this EXCELLENT demonstration. Kudos to the effort this took. Keep up the good work!
OUTSTANDING video. Thanks for just making it short, sweet, and to the point! A plain comparison in all different situations and distances, stacked one after another. Thanks!
As has everyone else, thank you for such in-depth comparisons. I've been doing my own testing at work with distance and visibility with my HL-X and an Armytek Doberman. Really stoked to get a REIN in a few months
Very informative video. I appreciate this a lot! I am really liking the CD Rein. Like the color better than the modlite and its got a really good amount of throw with what appears to be the kind of spill that I would like in a weapon light. Serious props to whoever got blasted by what's probably over a million total candela in this video haha.
im glad i went with the rein. I think its easier to see details with the colour of light they chose and hard to ignore the other specs and features as well
@@MyLonewolf25Your mom would disagree considering what your father spilled in her to have you. Thinking you’re gonna use a weapon mounted light at 250 feet in your suburban neighborhood coming out of your moms basement in your ballistic tactical gear.
The CD’s warmer light has a more natural, true to color on everything it shines on as well as a defined detail. It also punches through photonic barriers better. The main reason I bought the Rein. For situational awareness the Surefire dual fuel wins so I bought that too and since I’ll shoot my Scar 17 in 6.5 Creedmore on a bipod I’m not concerned with weight and actually helps recoil. I also decided on the Rein to withstand the forward and rearward recoil impulse of the heavy Scar bolt carrier.
Really appreciate the comparison. In the market for a new light and your "real-world" comparison inside and outside of house is most useful. Thanks to your daughter also for being a a good test model!
Awesome comparison! I was looking at the Rein but holy crap that Surefire M600DF at indoor / closer ranges looked by far the best to me. At range though its pretty lackluster I must say
I would recommend against it: I took my M600DF head off my carbine and turned it into a handheld: it's just got way too much flood and not enough hot spot for a WML. My pistol light has a better hot spot than it. The M600DF is really good at lighting the area around the shooter up, which is not ideal for obvious reasons.
Great video! The REIN and OWL feel like the middle ground between the stupidly focused modlite and the spill of the Surefire. Will probably be checking one of these out on my next build. It's hard to say though if I would prefer it over the Surefire since the Surefire offers a broader situational awareness. That said the Surefire can get lost in adverse weather like fog.
As a huge fan & owner of Streamlights, SureFires & Clouds, I personally like the wider beam pattern of the SureFire. Yes the Cloud Rein 2.0 is cockdiesel & unbreakable. And the ProTac HLX is hard to beat at 1000 lumens/27,000 candela for $100-125. But for me a WML must excel both in & outdoors & the Clouds & ModLites are just too bright FOR ME indoors. I find balance to be crucial. Just my humble 2¢ as light choice is personal. Most important thing is simply having a reputable, high quality WML on your firearm period. If I were on a 2 way range, I’d go for something like the SureFire on my carbine and then have a handheld ModLite if I needed that crazy hella long beam throw with the super tight, concentrated hot spot to identify whatever at extreme distance. But I’m willing to bet that if the SureFires get the job done for SoecOps (and Streamlight for most LE) then they would for all of us Modern-day Minutemen.
Also I don’t know if it was intentional or not but that white jacket helps new people so much with understanding color temperature. The OKW would be even better IMO if it was a warm white light. Helps so much with PID
Got a rein on the way for a hunting rifle and will pick up a surefire to slap on a 12.5 AK in 7.62x39 for home defense. This video really helped reinforce my decision on the rein over a OKW.
This video as what convinced me to swap out my HL-X for a full size REIN for my AUG. Looking forward to picking it up. If anybody is looking for one, was able to get a complete kit from Lanbo's armory for a hair over 300$ shipped.
@@jonathan91595 I got a rail to replace the front grip, a 20/20 TR-1A from Ratworx, and I have it mounted to so I can just tap the rear of the light. Winded up swapping tail switch assemblies with someone since I didn't need the tail switch
@@jonathan91595 With how it's set up on the TR-1A rail, I can use my thumb on my left hand to actuate it. The rail replaces the front grip so it puts it in a good area
Nice comparison! I like the warmer tint of the Cloud Defensive lights. The REIN has a bit more oomph but I like the lack of tape switches and wiring of the OWL.
rein is awesome , got the micro, need another light was gonna get another light to compare but after this im getting another rein, the full size this time. you can get the full kit for 350
This is an excellent review. Exactly what I need in a weapon light review. Although, it’s disappointing to see the most expensive light perform the worst. Which I have multiple of. Modlite is going to be selling some heads tonight.
Not having spent any time with them, I can only guess. I'd say similar to the OKW but less performance. They seemed to be high candela and low lumen but both less than the OKW.
Man I love how tight a beam the OKW has, but the rein seems like the more obvious choice as it’s still a tight beam but with just a little needed spill
I don't know. For me the blue-ish color with the Modlites screws with my eyes a bit. I think they are good lights, I just don't jive with the color. I bought an OWL and LOVE that thing, so I might have to pick up a couple REIN's.
The colors in the video are completely different than what you see in real life. I actually prefer cool tint of the Modlites to the warm tint of the OWL and Rein.
@@johndunbar2393 It's mostly personal preference, but the white balance setting on his camera was 6500k which is extremely high and makes colors look cooler. I've found the Modlite is closer to sunlight in tone, while the Cloud lights tend to be a bit warmer. Neither is better or worse, just personal preference. I'm sure SageDynamics will review the Rein, and he'll probably like it. For weapon light reviews, SageDynamics is my go to. Reviews for basically anything gun related TBH.
@@CharlieMikeNS Sage is my favorite as well, as far as getting an unbiased no BS review. Thanks for the info man, I appreciate it. Have a good weekend!👍
Seems that the surefire still has the best for situational awareness, good wide spill. While the cloud and modlite reaches out further with a more direct or tight beam pattern, but at a cost. The beams go far but you would have to scan left and right a bit more while the surefire and even the streamlight offer a good wide field of view. Very good comparison video. I love my surefire and will probably keep it on my SHTF rifle but i will be getting the Cloud Rein very soon. Really dig that light.
Man it’s trippy to watch. I’d swear that you were pointing the beam at distance towards the targets feet. I realize that that’s not the case but it’s crazy from the perspective given.
Man, what an awesome comparison! And kudos to your daughter. Patience of a saint! Question: of the cloud defensive rein and the the surefire df, which would you recommend for a bedside AR? Intended use would be indoors (no more that 40 feet) and possibly outdoors with the longest shot being no more than 250 feet with possible “phototonic” barriers?
@@PracticallyTactical thanks man. Merry Christmas! FYI if you need anymore Cloud stuff, they have 15% off right now and offer a sweet first responder discount too! I’m going with the Rein
If Cloud would adopt parts commonality, it would "REIN" supreme lol. Until then Modlite PLHv2, Arisaka/Malkoff. Surefire/Streamlight still have their place as indoor/short range only
If the Cloud Defensive Rein 2.0 was dual-fuel powered & had a half power toggle for indoor use, it would easily be the best WML ever made (IMO). The only 2 downsides to the Rein are the required use of rechargeable batteries (not optimum for extended, multiple day use in the field) & spitting out 1200+ lumens & 60,000+ candela for indoor use. I find anything brighter than an HL-X or TLR1-HL indoors (both 1000 lumens & 20,000+ candela) affects my eyes with the splash off walls/doors/appliances/etc… That’s why I like the Streamlight TLR9 and RM2 these days for specific defensive/indoor setups. They’re both 1000 lumens, have 10,000 candela, and have a different beam pattern (in a good way) to the “HL” Streamlight beam used in the HL-X & TLR1-HL. Hard to describe it but it maintains the intensity of the HL beam while enlarging the hot spot and getting rid of a lot of the unnecessary spill width from the HL lights. The TLR9 & RM2 are both rated to have a 200m throw but I find their beam pattern to actually be more favorable at distance over the HL’s despite having less candela & throw distance. It’s their different beam pattern that achieves this (again, my opinion only). Yes candela, lumens, & throw distance are super important but I find beam pattern to be as important if not more so than them. The TLR9 & RM2 seem to throw just as well/far as the HLX/TLR1-HL even though they have 10,000 less candela and are rated at 200m vs 300m. What’s the point of my nerdy WML rambling? Lumens, candela, and throw ratings (on the box) don’t mean much as much as ppl think from my experience. Lights are all unique tools that need to be experienced by the end user. Numbers on a box are no substitute for real world testing. I can’t explain how a light with thousands less candela & throw rating seems to outperform one with more. But it does. Like all firearms and firearm accessories, they must be tested in person to confirm or deny quality. Doesn’t matter what X company or Y influencer says. That’s why I love to try/test different gear. Ok. Essay over. And for all my fellow WML nerds, I highly recommend the Streamlight TLR9 for duty size pistols & the RM2 for any carbine/long gun. The TLR9 has become my go to on Glock 34’s, Q5 Match’s, full size Beretta’s/CZ’s/Sig’s, 5” 1911’s, etc over the TLR1-HL’s (longer, better switch, smaller W+H, fit better in all Safariland holsters, batteries in/out the bezel, etc). 👊🏼🗽⚔️
Very informative. No real winner for me as they are all good at various distances. At greater distances I think I'd go with the Cloud Defensive REIN, but overall shorter distances, the Surefire M600DF. I'm looking for a light to use with a Steyr AUG. The problem being the ability to mount it on the right side and yet be able to use it momentary using my left hand while still gripping the barrel grip. This has not been an easy fix....... Thanks and Blessings!
@@eugenechurch6135 when they first became popular and at a lot of classes. It was about a 60% failure rate. Most couldnt make it to low light runs. When someone shows up now with one (rare), we take bets on how long they last. They are great handheld lights. Not weapon lights.
It has some reliability issues (weak battery spring), whereas the Cloud and Modlites are hard use items that will work when you need them to. The HLX is a decent budget entry, but if you actually use your rifles at night, there is no substitute for Cloud Defensive or Modlite. This video shows a great comparison in pure darkness, but night time is rarely pure dark: the high candela numbers from the Modlites and CDs are able to overcome most photonic barriers: the HLX not so much. Also, the intensity difference means you can effectively remove someone's vision temporarily at cqb distances with the high candela of Modlite/CD. The M600DF and HLX can only do this at extremely close range.
That would mean using inferior switches. I have been running CD switches since before they were released, never broke on. SF Switches are consumables, I had to always carry extras. I will take reliability over convenience any day.
Great vid!! It would be really if you include in these tests the Olight Odin and the Olight Warrior X Pro! These two new lights have high lumen very high candela output and yet are super competitive price wise. I think they both come in at around 150-160 dollars and that includes the pressure switches. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
1. Olight had the opportunity and didn’t respond. Which is funny as they email me every week trying to get them to peddle their shit For them to make a few bucks via their affiliate links. I emailed them and gave them the opportunity, they didn’t respond. 2. They aren’t reliable. They break. Saw one guy break 2 of them in a shoot house class. Before we even made it to low light. 3. Very low candela. Inbetween the surefire and HLX.
@@PracticallyTactical Gotcha! That’s interesting that they wouldn’t respond or reply. You’d think they would be doing that as much as possible or want to get with as many people doing the type of video that you’re doing. I have Surefires, Streamlights, Fenix, and recently picked up the recently released Olights. I really dig them however, I haven’t taken them out to run and gun with them as of yet but it will go down soon, we have some night shoots coming up with a lot of movement and thrashing etc. Thanks for the solid vid.
Can someone explain why these weapon lights are so expensive compared to “flashlights” ? 300 dollars for a “flashlight” that will mount to a weapon rail seems like one heck of a markup.
@@PracticallyTactical do you have a recommendation for a weapon light that will work on an ar-15 that doesn’t need to be fancy, just light in case of emergency ?
@@PracticallyTactical to be honest, it probably wouldn’t receive much use outside of being a defensive light. It could mount direct to the rail and activate by me turning it on manually or a pressure pad. I’m a bit indifferent on the mount and activation parts.
That other video you did on light placement on a rifle, my face is on your paper target. No bs, it’s scary. It looks exactly like me. Contact me and I’ll show you 😂
has a ton of spill. as someone who ran it in several shoot houses, the problems you run into are trying to put light from one room to another and anytime there are environmental factors (rain, snow, lots of pollen, dust, carbon from shooting, ambient light (photons fighting photons) or shooting outside when it’s cold and the hot gases make a cloud) eat up those Lumens hard and make it very difficult to PID.
The OKW is narrow, the PLHv2 is a good cross between hotspot and enough flood to work indoors. It's what I use on my cqb rifle at work, although I'm going to pick up a REIN and see how it compares in real world. The warmer tone of the CD light makes colors more visible to the eye.
I have the OWL, Rein and Micro. The Reins are legit, but, the mounting brackets are so weak and have damaged my rail. The OWL is solid in every regard. I don’t know what I’m going to do with the two brand new Rein lights.
Nice to see a good comparison of the top 5. The modlites aren't that blue, but like you said, the camera can make you see what it wants. Any plans on a video covering the performance past 100 yards?
@@nbates9893 that's the awesome thing about the modlites and rein. Indoors they're a flood flight and outside they can perform as more of a thrower compared to the surefires. Why anyone would want a light for one scenario when a different light can accomplish that scenario and many more, idk
