Lilith Tricked EVERYONE!!! Hazbin Hotel - Theory Analysis ft. Edgewood 

Here is some inspiration for yall to start theorizing, even if you might think its dumb/silly/etc.: This whole theory started as a shitpost I was yapping with my friends at the time, but then grew into the theory that you see today. Theorize to your hearts content, because who knows, you might just stumble upon something you didn’t think about until you started looking into it. Talk with others, take in their feedback, and soon enough, you will discover a lot of things that you wouldn't have otherwise learned in any other way. I hope that all of you enjoyed this theory. Hopefully me and Mine Mind will have further discussions about Hazbin Hotel. Especially when it comes to the themeing of the show, also playing into what I think will happen at the end of the show. Thank you all so much, and happy theorizing!

I have always thought that the reason Lilith didn't want to be under Adams' "control" is because SHE wanted to be the one in control. And after the whole Eden incident she got what she wanted. But typical human nature she wanted more.

I don't know if Lilith is going to be the final villain of the series or if she'll be as bad as we all fear she is, but the idea of her being a machiavellian chessmaster playing the forces of Heaven and Hell for chumps is an idea that I'm sold on.

"Adam is dead, your deal is done and I'm in charge now." Assuming my theory about Lilith being able to make sinners more powerful is true I think the simplest explanation is best even if it's a bit of a stretch. Lilith approached Adam on extermination day with a deal, he smuggles her into heaven and she stops powering up sinners. I wouldn't put it past Lilith to offer sex to sweeten the deal. Sera may or may not be aware of this but I think she'd go along if it weakened Hell.

Or maybe...Lilith is secretly working with Roo/Eve...

This brings me to bit alternative theory and that Lilith wants to release Roo which existence of was suggested by Vizia to be possibility. What if she wants to get strong enough to release Roo into the world of living causing them all to turn to sin making it impossible for souls to go to heaven. Her stay in heaven being rather just distraction then actually place she wants. Given she has reasons to hate heaven she could then use influx of sinners into hell caused by Roo to overpower heaven and destroy it.

Very interesting theory and a direction I would actually love to see, however there is flaw that debunks that theory and it is in Episodes 3 and 4. The Overlords were having a meeting about how to minimize the impact of their interest, that being the millions of souls they all collectively owned. This implies that an Overlord's power is dependent on the amount of souls, otherwise they wouldn't be concerned about all the demons they own dying in exterminations if their soul energy would go to them, they would have noticed the increase in their own soul power. And thus an Overlord can lose their status and power if they lose all of the souls they own, such as Husk as we see in Episode 4, where he explained that he gambles with the souls he owned, ending up losing the majority of them and putting himself at risk, either because of a debt or his status and power being at risk, which made him desperate enough to gamble his own soul in a game with Alastor, and we saw the results, Husk lost his Overlord status. It is for these facts that the theory on Lillith being the one that granted the Overlords with part of her power and in turn creating this soul power funneling scheme to power herself up fails.

Plus Vox fear of harming Charlie 😮 your theory has credibility

I already hated lilith before even she appeaered at the end,she neglected her daughter for 7 and a half years,she's not answered any of charlie's calls or called back to make sure she was ok,lilith clearly doesn't care about her own daughter >:( so I belive this theory 100% she's already pissed me off way too much

I have a problem of seeing Lilith as supervillan for sole reason that she's the one who apparently did rise Charlie before she dissapeared . Ofcourse she might take after her father but she feels more like a person that was very close to her parents and had a protected childhood. Lilith might be doing something very shady but I bet it still will be somehow linked to she wanting to protect either Charlie or peopple of hell. Maybe double agent making Aleister to watch over her daughter?

19:31 Adam help us all

This is actually very interesting theory, it makes a lot of sence, and is not overcomplicated.

17:50 Adam was truly the victim and he was right to call Lilith a b****

Sounds intriguing

Please make up theories about the place of Root of evil (Eva) in the plot of the series, I feel that there are much more motives in Lilith's actions

I bet it’s not even a theory I think it’s a fact. Yes I do believe Lilith is behind everything. Everything from her deal with Adam to her relationship with Lucifer who probably misses his wife.

On a Prime upload featuring Alastor and Zestiel going to the meeting, I stated: "Ah, _now_ I get what the High Seraphim is concerned about, it is the Overlord's collection of damned souls. While Exterminators cut into their "profits" this also kept things in check."

No offense, but the theory doesn't make any sense. First of all, we already know what happens to (at least demon) souls that have been killed via an angelic weapon. They integrate within the very fabrics of hell, without a body of their own, just a silent awareness until the day of Last Judgement. They are literally visualised by the many eyes in the walls and other inanimate objects of Hell. Unless I am mistaken, this information which we've gotten early on is still valid, but I cannot point you to a specific recent interview with Vivziepop, since I've heard that part so often by now, I've just stopped taking notice of it. Second, while I do very much believe that Lilith is the mastermind behind a bigger plan that neither Charlie nor Lucifer are aware of, I absolutely don't see her becoming the ultimate villain. Charlie would never agreee with her mother usurping both Heaven and Earth, and depending on whom Lucifer would side up with in this context, she'd have to fight either one or both of her parents in the final battle. I absolutely don't see this happening, for the simple reason that Lilith has been portrayed as a deceiving character in the last scene of S1 E8. Knowing Viv's way of storytelling a bit by now, and knowing storytelling as a whole, this non-twist would be the laziest outcome of all. Wow, look - the villain is the exact same character we revealed at the end of S1! Even more: Both Charlie's and Lucifer's lives get destroyed, S3 ends up with either them destroying their mother/wife, or Lucifer and Lilith killing their own daughter. Seriously? There's simply no way this is going to happen. Not in this kind of a story, which is not dystopian in nature.

17:23 power is all she cares

Given everything that objectively has happened, this title is massive amounts of cope. 1. When Charlie explains the basic cosmology of the show she uses "good" about Heaven once and "perfect order" twice. Perfect order can never be good, ever, since everything exists in a binary interpretation where it's Yes or No. This includes people, who are either Yes or No when it comes to belonging. "Maybe" is non-existent in order since "maybe" is an element of chaos where it becomes impossible to label someone as Yes or No. For example, if someone steals food then there's only a Yes or No outcome to whether they should be punished. That they stole the food to feed their family matters nothing in the consideration, only "They stole, should they be punished?" The answer will always be "Yes" since they objectively broke the law and order must be maintained so punishment it is. This is the thought process of literal children and people with a tribalistic bias. 2. "Hell is Forever" literally has Adam saying, "The rules are black and white." In a setting where Chaos exists, this would be hypocrisy and in a setting where only Order exists, this is literally how things work. Everything is black and white, absolute and no ambivalence since ambivalence is chaos. 3. "Welcome to Heaven," says explicitly how everyone always has happy days in Heaven. This is literally impossible if people have free will as people will always have different motivations and desires, sometimes even opposing ones. Order despises free will since free will is a Maybe, an element of chaos. There would be no Maybe if everyone were just rocks. 4. The name "Extermination." This name implies dehumanisation, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization since you exterminate vermin to avoid them doing damage. It's similar to someone saying they're okay with queer stuff, they just loathe, despise, and want to destroy degeneracy and then when you ask them what "degeneracy" entails they, without a shred of awareness, include queerness in the definition. This means that their initial statement is just a lie they tell themselves so they can convince themselves they're actually the Hero. 5. Sera had the ability to check the veracity of Adam's intel before she started the Extermination program. Episode 6 explicitly shows that Heaven has the ability to spy on Hell. She never did. That she never did is evidence that she never cared enough to do so. 6. Her physical demeanour around Charlie and the way she physically touches her is a sign that she thinks Charlie is dirty 7. This aligns with Lute's reaction when she calls Vaggies and Charlie's relationship vile and *blasphemous*. While this is seen by many as an expression of homophobia she explicitly uses the term 'blasphemous' as if it was sacrilegious. If Heaven was good this behaviour would make no sense as there would be nowhere she could learn it from. It does make sense if Heaven is a Controlled Order since an angel and a demon in a relationship would be against the desired order and thus would be an element of chaos. 8. When Charlie swear the entire court is shocked despite that Adam seems to be unable to speak a sentence without swearing. This is evidence that Sera thinks that people in Heaven can do no wrong and people in Hell can do no right. All this combined is evidence to me that Sera is a self-righteous who lies to herself constantly that she's a hero and never would do anything bad since she's in Heaven and by default, no one in Heaven can do anything bad else they would never be in Heaven. She subconsciously wanted to exterminate the sinners and Adam just gave her the justification that she needed to convince her to do the "tough BUT necessary" even though she words it differently to make their rhyme in "You Didn't Know" make sense. Emily is an anomaly in Heaven. As anyone who's seen "Inside Out" knows to properly understand and appreciate joy we need to understand sadness. This ambivalence about the emotion makes Emily a chaotic element in Heaven since ambivalence is unable to co-exist with order since it's chaotic in nature, it's the Maybe; and once chaos is introduced in order it's no longer order. When Charlie and Emily sing, "...the rules are shades of grey," they're most likely invoking a concept for Sera that's totally foreign because in Controlled Order things are black and white. Instead of, Good and Evil, I see Heaven and Hell as Controlled Order and Controlled Chaos and while Controlled Chaos is renewal and change Controlled Order is stagnation and entropy. Due to the psychological phenomenology of people and being the POV of their own life, everyone sees themselves as default the Hero. It's only when they're told otherwise they reflect on their behaviour. This is evidenced by that when Sir Pentious respawns in Heaven Emily has a look of surprise (enlarged eyes and nostrils) overlaid with joy while Sera looks like someone who just speedran the existential question of, "Am I the baddie?" and found that the answer was, "Yes."

Hello Fellow Minds!!! Thanks for viewing and do please leave your own thoughts below, I will be excited to respond to your own thoughts, also finally found out how to properly make YT chapters for everyone's convenience 😉

Ok, I'm not sure how much I'll write here as I had this theory saved but can't find it, and I'm pretty lazy 😏😒😅 Ok. Point by Point. 1) That beach is on earth, not Heaven. Reasons For This Theory(RFTT)... *"Lilith" has neither heavenish or hellish aspects to her body. She looks utterly human. *Lute's saying "go down there" would apply from Heaven or Earth. 2) Yes I believe that "Lilith" is the one that went to Adam and lied about Hell raising an army. She knew Adam wouldn't be able to resist the chance to kill Sinners to save Heaven, and for his amusement, so her deal to escape hell and get to earth would be accepted. RFTT... Sera would not have okied the Exterminations without some kind of reliable evidence or a witness that was believable. 3) Big theory here! That "Lilith" on the beach isn't the real one. That's Eve masquerading as Lilith as part of a much larger plot! RFTT... Everything we have seen through paintings, the story book and Charlie's 1st hand knowledge portrays her mum as a loving mother, wife and leader of hell. She cared about her family and the ppl that she was responsible for. That image does not fit the narrative of this "Beach Lilith"... this Bilith! 😉 Another clue I believe could be the fact that the Lilith in Charlie and Lucifers duet had no face, that's is just a guess. 4) Eve was corrupted by the Evil that was trying to get into Existence and became Roo, the root of all evil we've been hearing about from Vizipop. RFTT... Look at the smile on both Evil's shadowy face and Eve's after she took the apple in the intro story. They are identical. Also where is Eve? We haven't seen or heard about her in Heaven or Hell. What does this all lead me to conclude? At some point in the past Eve/Roo trapped and swapped places with Lilith. She then played mind games with lucifer and Charlie to separate them, thus pushing Lucifer into a depression spiral from which he would withdraw from everything. She then, as lilith, "left" him. She went to Adam and sold him the fake story about the uprising so she could get to earth. Now she's on earth, and not being watched, she is putting "Evil's" plan into action. Whatever that is? Two last things that I've no real evidence, clues or hints I could point too but I have suspicions. First I think that Eve holds Alistor's soul in exchange for some of her power, that's how he was so powerful the minute he got to hell. Second, and this is a personal favourite of mine I think would be cool.... Eve has forced alistor to watch over the trapped Lilith ..... in the form of NIFTY!!!!! 🤔😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯🤯😵😵‍💫🤓😅 Well if you've read to the end TY, and what do you think of my theories?

What is it about complex villains still always wanting to control the world?

Wait from this video alastor saying he will pull all the strings speaks volumes

I'm not the best at theory crafting but this is an interest conversation so thank you :D 31.5.24

Great video do you think she’s evil or “misunderstood “

15:18 typical greed that who she is

18:42 Lilith is evil allong

this is an alright theory, but likely incurrect.

Quick question what’s your take on Adam people think he’s a nepotism baby what’s your opinion

I think that Lilith do that out of Anger for lucifer he have also sekx with eve