LILLE VS GERARD - Who is the STRONGEST STERNRITTER? | Bleach: VS Battles 

Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10. A few things wrong, 1) Lille isn't intangible to energy attacks. Hence why shunsuis reiryoku thread cut him. 2) Lilles cutting AP is not greater than bankai Kenpachi and True bankai toshiro hax so he couldn't destroy gerards cross like they couldn't. All the damage gerard takes will just be converted into power, lille does not have this ability, lille only has regeneration when transforming and he only has 2 higher forms. He might be able to destroy the cross with his gun but that assumes he hits him and his cross and that it doesn't get destroyed as the gun is the only time he can uniformly penetrate. In other words its probability based..... who manipulates probability. thats right. Gerard has damage sharing, so if hoffnung is cut by lilles light attack, the same damage will be reflected onto lille and kill him like it did with nanao. The miracle will also just make it so he can cut through lilles intangibility since it manipulates reality. Miracle = Subjective Probability/Reality manipulation > X-axis

MrTommo I don’t think you should touch this subject, you aren’t a powerscaler.

If Kubo says Bankai Kenpachi can't cut Gerard's heart, then Lille can't break it with a Sniper rifle. I rank Bankai Kenpachi above Lille's Sniper rounds in destructive power.

​@@TheBigExclusiveexactly even bankai kenpachi cut Gerard clean in the middle but the cross still intact no scratch

I agree ​@@MrDeclareWar

Sternritter P, the Plot Armor lol

So that's why Robert lost. Sternritter N. No plot Armour

"And just because I can, I'm gonna sprinkle a bit of 1940s Nazism just to spice things up a bit 😌 because say what you want about them, but they sure did know how to dress well" - Kubo, probably

@@deaths2934that’s just Ichigo…

@@xeithar9236yeah you’re correct but people still complain too much about the main antagonists and protagonists being near equal in stories (because that’s how stories work). It does definitely get out of hand like yhwach having omniscience and still losing, ichigo fighting the 3 strongest characters throughout the story because the plot required him to, and Gerard having unlimited regeneration and power increases because (reasons)

Nick's Cannon

The canon of Nick

Came from a black guy too, very fitting.

Lillie is the penis of the Soul King

​@@ez_is_bloo how so?

As someone who doesn't play that game. I find it very funny

World of Tanks' ads are hysterical to me, if it's the World of Tanks I think you're talking about.

@@HOLDENPOPE The ads where tanks just randomly run sh*t over and ruin peoples’ days? Yes, those ads are great.

the ultimate one-shot is also a ultimate damage sponge

Yeah. It would seem any form of power reflection is Barros weakness. No just Nanaos zanpakuto. Which also makes it clear to me that Haschwalth is a terrible matchup for Barro too

Cutting such a foe..would truly need a MIRACLE

@@kakashihatake1029unless he one shots jugram.

Except he cant one shoot Jugram, who is miles above when it comes to speed and durability feats​@@iliketowatchnfl3515

​​@sasailicc Sure "Miles above when it comes to feats and durability" how many miles would that be? Are we talking about America to Asia miles or Tokyo to Okinawa? 😂

That's exactly why I think Gerard wins. The fact Lille can't be hit in his holy form I don't see why the miracle wouldn't turn that around into Gerard's favor

Exactly, his Miracle would overwrite every other gimmick

probably most of the other Quincies that didn't accept Yhwach

Also, hollow without a doubt. They also could theoretically have been there before aizen and left before he ever had been born. Them using their skills on other Quincy makes sense, but there's gotta be another litmus test. And it could have also been shinigami who found out about the Quincy or ones who were used for intel for perpetration for the war. A prison or Intel unit. Or some sort of execution camp is easy to see for the Quincy, especially considering it's been shown before w the hollow. It wouldn't be hard to believe they've done it before.

@@felipez3115to be more specific the question was about Kenpachi being capable

@@havoc5791 Yeah I saw a different translation but is probably wrong.

@@havoc5791which Kenpachi wasn’t able to.

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

Lille still has to hit, just the X-axis being able to destroy the cross does not make it a sure win

I was gonna right this argument too so W m8.

I mean, if it did, that would be a miracle

No because the miracles ability isn't to generate actual miracles. It just brings him back and he calls it the miracle. It essentially just makes him immortal as long as he has the cross.

For sure it can

​@AlexDrewsuminno your wrong. It actually makes miraclesin Gerard's favor. Remember when it was almost impossible for him to find the shinigami then the miracle made it that he instantly found them.

Aizen: Nah i'd Adapt

Definitely not Pernida either.

Lille. Sk Yhwach, Ichigo too.

​@muchoyurdem5260 Don't see how Ichigo survives being vertically bisected. That's a far more severe injury than he's ever had, his only hope would be that White Zangetsu takes over like in the Ulquiorra fight, but I don't know that even White could take that

@@envan7865 How did Zaraki survive when Ichigo tried to vertically bisect him in the SS arc the first time they fought? How did he survive all the attacks of SOUL KING Yhwach? 1. There is a powersystem in the verse 2. Are you saying Zaraki has higher attack Potency then Yhwach?

Yeah there's a reason Lille is the leader of the Schutzstaffel. If he felt that he wasn't adequate or strong enough to lead Yhwach's Royal Guard, Gerard would certainly challenge him for the position, or at least threaten him the same way he threatened Askin due to him having just been promoted to the Schutzsaffel. Being the first to be bestowed by the QUincy King's power really does have it's perks because it would have meant that Lille was given far more power than the other Sternritter. Although Gerard himself never received a new power when he was given his Schrift since it was just something he was given to acknowledge the power he already had

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

​@@PridamGerard has a strong sense of camaraderie with his fellow Quincy. He threatened to cut down Askin if he "fell behind," but he also immediately accepted Uryū as their newest member when he pretended to shoot Ichigo off the palace. He certainly would never fight Lille for his position just because he's stronger, he is the literal embodiment of undying loyalty to Yhwach.

@@marctm7614 He immediately accepted Uryu AFTER hearing Uryu's declaration of his "loyalty" to Yhwach. I'm just saying, that he would threaten any of the Schutzstaffel if they haven't proven themselves in both loyalty and fighting ability

@@Pridam Not sure why you repeated what I said, but alright.

Lille one shots in base

​​​@@5SDcardsIn your dreams. In his strongest form he couldn't even one shot Shunsui 😂. Yall fanboying someone and your only arguments are no limit fallacys and headcanon

@@muchoyurdem5260 Gerard in base got statued by Oetsu while Lille still had time to shoot Oetsu with bullets instead of the X axis.

@5SDcards bruhh what a nonsense argument. Lille only had time because Oetsu gave him that time 🤦‍♂️. Gerard was simply the first one to directly attack him lmfao. And Lille got one shot the same as Gerard. Also what does that prove? And what does that have to do with my argument? Nothing you said changes the fact that Lille wasn't able to One shot even Shunsui even in his stronger forms 😂. Funny how you are trying to ignore the fact that i debunked your claim

@@muchoyurdem5260 What does Shunsui have to do with Gerard? If not for Nanao coming to Shunsui, he was implied to have given up and was dying after he was shot in the abdomen by Lille. Gerard being perception blitzed during his swing has nothing to do with him being the first to attack.

It's destroyable w non godlike hacks.

​@AlexDrewsumin I think the point Kubo made is that it is _indestructible_ without godlike hacks. Bankai Kenpachi couldn't even scratch it. Hell, I even doubt mugetsu could so much as leave a mark. The X-axis *might* be one of the very few things that can damage it, but then the problem becomes Lille actually hitting Gerard. (Edit: clarifying of position)

@@TheAnomaly00I doubt the x axis is stronger than Toshiro conceptual freezing ability or Kenpachi’s spatial cutting

​@@TheAnomaly00x-axis not one of the ability that can damage the cross, rather it is one of the abilities that can directly attack the cross. Nothing suggests it can even leave a scratch on it. Kubo never said any character can destroy it, all he said was if something is capable enough to destroy the cross, sure Gerard would die, but also suggests that even bankai zaraki at that time couldn't achieve that (the epitome of pure destruction).

@sladew9788 Here's a much more comprehensive take on the whole X-axis vs. Gerard's heart. Let's say that as Lille and Gerard are getting ready to throw down, Lille gets one free shot that hits. There are at minimum three outcomes. The first, simplest, and most likely outcome is that the x-axis is unable to damage the core, thus making it a moot point. Now, the second outcome is where things get interesting. Assuming the x-axis _can_ pierce Gerard's heart, the question becomes how much of an effect would a mere hole in it would have? Because Kubo's phrasing implies that the entire cross must be destroyed completely in order to kill Gerard. If that is the case, then it is likely that the cross itself would be restored by The Miracle. The third option is that _because_ the x-axis *can* pierce the heart, The Miracle would kick in and make it unable to do so.

Facts.

Even if he could cut him because of his miracle Lillie would also come back his miracle gives him more power it doesn’t take it away from others it’s a stalemate unless the X axis can destroy Gerard’s Quincy cross then Lilie wins

@@qmoney9997 Not the case. Lille can be harmed beyond recovery, like he was when his own holy power was turned on him. And there exists no holier power than the Soul King's.

Ayon, didn't survive. It is a golem.

Weird, it says I have a reply but I can't see anything. Anyway, Ayon absolutely survived being cut in half and Yamamoto resorted to scorching him with Ryūjinjakka to defeat him.

​@@marctm7614I think they meant it didn't really have a soul or existence or whatever. I don't see it as any different than Dangai Joue. Also I think it may have succumbed to its injuries eventually.

@@hitkid2456 Ayon is a living entity, he is completely different from Komamaru's Bankai - which is just a manifestation of Reiatsu.

​@@marctm7614He is a living entity that has died at least twice though, clearly Ayon's not quite the same as most living beings

Kyoraku VS Zaraki is a draw at best for Zaraki due to the shared wounds unless Kyoraku doesn't get serious and gets killed before Bankai

@@Force-Multiplier tbh Kenpachi is significantly more powerful then Kyoraku and depending on how much you believe him to be he may unironically neg that hax. But I didn't necessarly mean to match them up against each other (don't want 2 of my 3 favorite chars slaughtering each other).

@@jeremyleonjonas7657 if Lille didn't negged the hax i don't see Zaraki doing it Zaraki was claimed to be unable to break the Core by the Klub Outside reveal Lille is still in contention to that besides Lille has confirmed divinity status from the sword that only cuts gods working on him and Zaraki was paralyzed by Mayuri's Shikai just fine so i doubt Kyoraku's Bankai won't work on him

@@Force-Multiplier if we include CFYOW, Kenpachi is very much shown to be on the low end tier of Ichigo, Hikone or Aizen. Which I just don't see Kyoraku reaching. But even so, there is still the fact that Kenpachi would very easily be able to beat Kyoraku without bankai. He is demonstratively capable of overpowering captain tiers, is extremely adaptive when presented with tricksy abilities and is likely the better swordsman (not by much, I'll admit and Kyoraku obviously would make up for that much in kido). And all thats before accounting his extremely nerfed bankai considering he doesn't even know its name (for reference: we know the impact a fake name has from Renji and Yumichika) and was only using it for the very first time.

@@jeremyleonjonas7657 CFYOW Zaraki is the same as TYBW Zaraki they never said he was stronger and unless we get confirmation of him being stronger in CFYOW (wich there isn't and its just 6 months of peace later so there is no reason for him to be stronger either) then he's just fighting weaker oponents in CFYOW than in TYBW there is no way Hisagi would beat Gerard or Lille or even Pernida but he did beat Hikone hax or no hax he still couldn't do the same to any of the Schutzstaffels Askin will become inmune equalized or not and Hisagi will suffer and suffer even if Askin can't kill Hisagi either eventually Hisagi should pass out from the pain since his Bankai doesn't make him inmune to things or anything Pernida will just keep regenerating and eventually touch and control Hisagi Lille is intangible equalized stats or not but unlike the others he can't kill Hisagi or do anything to him UNLESS *he breaks Hisagi's Zanpakuto* wich rarely gets brought up and Gerard is on a similar boat to Pernida but he can't control Hisagi either however he could steal it and become inmune to Hollow Reiatsu with the Miracle and this is consistent too Hikone was claimed to need Hougyoku to be Transcendent like Aizen proving that Hikone wasn't quite there and his/her (whatever the sex or lack of it lol) biggest power boost came from Nails of Reio Pernida and Gerard are limbs or vital organs of Reio and got the Auswählen boost on top of that and Lille is relative to them just for extra reference Zaraki didn't even go Shikai on Hikone when he tried that with Pernida he got no diffed then he used Bankai on Gerard and Klub outside awnsers to a fan on the matter gave the awnser is basically saying that the core wasn't destroyed by Zaraki's Bankai ... there's plenty of evidence of this and nothing Zaraki does there really puts him above his TYBW feats as for Zaraki being stronger than Kyoraku physically yeah we agree there in the physical sense he is superior but that won't change the unavoidable draw *at best* for Zaraki due to the shared wounds Kyoraku on the other hand can use Bankai and dispel Bankai at will and has the advantages of being able to attack from the Shadows and hide there plus tons of other hax a very slight advantage but still higher odds heck if Kyoraku see's himself unable to win but absolutely wants Zaraki dead all he needs to do is un-alive himself and that's all she wrote

Round 1 ko

It would be A MIRCALE if he couldn't

The Quincy Cross has nothing to do with the Miracle working or not as far as we know. That's just a fan theory

Well only his gun could possibly destroy the quincy cross, he'd have to know where it is and hit gerard, base ouetsu dodged his gun trajectory aswell as shikai shunsui and the gerard and lille are above them. To imply gerard cant dodge and lille would hit the cross and destroy it is clear bias. And if the gun is destroyed then lille has no way of shooting uniformly penetrating bullets and his higher forms use light attacks. He doesn't have the ability, power and stamina to kill gerard unless he gets extremely lucky at the start but the miracle itself manipulates probability and reality subjectively to benefit gerard lille isnt winning. Lille will just serve to damage/kill gerard and amp him continously. Lilles intangibility is only matter based and the miracle itself will allow for gerard to bypass the ability of matter intangibility, since thats what it does. Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.

@@philbuttler3427there is literally a club outside that confirms that theory lol. That being said I don’t agree that Lillie can break it.

Depends since same as Lille claimed to be able to pierce anything and be second only to god Gerard claimed to be the fastest strongest mightiest of all Quincy

Gerard wins, Lillie can definitely hit the cross but can he pierce it? Gerard is the hearth of the soul king, and Lillie definitely can't penetrate the soul king

@@roywempor8395why is lille the leader of the elites?

​@@roywempor8395 No need to add the Soul King to this. Pernida was his hand and it died to a scientific mishap. Obviously the individual parts no longer are on the same level as Soul King himself.

@@iliketowatchnfl3515 because of his leadership skills

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

No way he can actually hit Gerard, gerard is way faster than lillie. Thats something not taken into consideration here, their massive gap in physical stats

@@ThnkrgamesA half dead Kyoraku was able to dodge the x axis and people think he’s hitting Gerard

​@@jocoolshowleave that… lille got a free sneak attack on kyoraku and pierced through his heart. This is when kyoraku thought lille is defeated, deactivates his bankai and has let down his guard and closes his eye to rest. And that was still incapable of killing of a tired "no-guard up" kyoraku. So, even if lille is capable of hitting the cross heart of gerard, the capability to destroy the cross is absolutely baseless and very questionable.

Of course not 😂 Kubo never gave Gremmy the chance to develop as a character and rushed him into oblivion. Pun not intended. *sigh*

@@BerryStraw15 I really wish kubo expanded a bit more on Gremmy. He could have easily been promoted to the elites if he trained more. His death was disappointing.

@@gammafrost Gremmy could never be with the Elites because he would literally kill them and put everyone in danger. There is a reason Yhwach kept him locked up. But yes, Kubo dropped the ball real hard with Gremmy's character.

You forgot in the first part, "The divine authority, a God and the most noble and Purest of God's Knight's: The heart of the Soul King."

yeah i dont blame people pre kubo reveal for believing gerad since he literally refused to lose lol

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

Lille being able to pack up Gerard easily? But that would mean is almost impossible for Gerard to win, that he would need a mirac.... oh....

But how many actually know about his cross?? They tried everything & still couldnt killl him. 👍

Kubo said if Kenny could , meaning No one can still beat Gerard

Nanao's attack doesn't share damage, it specifically diffuses holy power. We saw how useful sharing damage was against Lille, all it did was make him power up and start throwing around all-erasing nukes.

@@HOLDENPOPE Wrong, i never said nanaos attack shares damage, i said gerards sword will share the damage taken from lilles attack if damaged. Also nanaos sword doesnt diffuse holy power, ch 653 lille states "it reflects the ability of the god its facing" Sharing damage is not the same for everyone, did you not understand? Damage sharing is relative to the damage taken, so the damage dealt by lille onto the sword will be equally shared on lille. in other words, the god power of lilles attack will share onto him.

I think that would fail for the same reason it failed against Kenpachi, they're just fast enough to escape. Gerard is physically stronger than Kenpachi, who's strength Gremmy could even fathom and given that Gremmy is just a brain, the X-Axis just shoots there and kills him, no?

@@envan7865 Uh...it didn't fail against Zaraki. It severely injured him and he managed to cut his way out. Gerard is not physically stronger than Zaraki and Gremmy imagined the"totality"of his power but couldn't imagine a body to contain that power. All Sternritters get their power from external reishi, if there is no reishi they can't use their schrifts or any defensive arts. Gremmy has also been shown to use intangibility like Lille. So no.

He did that already a year ago.

There’s no reason why Lille shouldn’t be able to destroy his cross.

​@@5SDcardsThere are multiple reasons why he clearly isnt able lmao. Literally the other way around there is no reason why he could other than no limit fallacys and headcanon

@@5SDcards there is lol. Zaraki's Shikai can casually cut through space meaning it can ignore durability and ignore the laws of physics binding physical matter together. His Bankai has 5-10 times that power and can't cut the cross. Even after Gerard was frozen by Toshiro who could freeze even concepts and broken to pieces, his cross still wasn't affected. You cannot be certain that Lille Barro can destroy the cross as well. Kubo didn't say he could either. Kubo said "the cross is his weakness, if there's a way to destroy the cross"

@@NEONlights-lb8um Kenpachi can only chip Hoffnung with shikai. Toshiro doesn’t “freeze concepts” he just makes the matter he freezes lose its function which has no effect on Gerard as he can still muscle through his ice. Kubo is only talking about Kenpachi had he been able to destroy the cross not everyone.

@@muchoyurdem5260 Yet you can’t name a single one.

I hope he does one between Mayuri and Askin or even between Urahara and Pernida.

Mr Tommo is 1000x better, analisys and video quality overall.

@@felipez3115 I'm sure they respect each other enough to not want this kind of 'my dad can beat up your dad' energy.

​@@felipez3115Clyde or Jaymes>>

@@HOLDENPOPE And I'm just said who I think is better, problem?

@@muchoyurdem5260 Clyde is a Aizen fanboy, he said that he can beat squad 0, and also using the "why isn't close" title, no thanks.

not. hands up🚨👮‍♂️

Well see in part 3 that's probably the last shot for Hashwalth and Ishida to show their worth unless they go all out on part 4 and we see Hashwalth's Volstandig

I mean the Balance and The Miracle are kinda opposites of each other and counter each other

The more I think about it, the more I feel like Lille wins like 95% of the time. I just dunno how Gerard is gonna affect Lille

@@Jaycutler709 it would be miracle if he could damage lille . that all what you need to know

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

"Lille is the best because he's my favorite!"

Almost everyone in bleach is MFTL and made of something that antimatter wouldn't affect. This is one of the Holy Shonen Trinity, like Naruto and One Piece, IRL physics seldom applies to them.

Quincy kenpachi

How can the miracle pass liles' durability and intangibility? They literally had to create a God slaying sword that reflects the power of the user back to itself in order to defeat him, and he didn't even die.

@@desantinotafrancesco2639 Because the literal ability of the Miracle makes it possible. Oh, sure, Lille has intangibility that makes it impossible for Gerard to hit him... but, that impossibility is exactly what would trigger the Miracle to allow Gerard to be able to strike Lille.

@@lo4tr that only happens in the unlikely case that lille doesn't just put a hole through that chain in his heart, I doubt Gerard would last long against the kind of attacks that lille can dish out, but it's debatable of course.

@@lo4tr can't lille erase anything between two points no matter what ?

Lille should be able to shoot through Gerard, Gerard has no feats to say otherwise.

Byakuya loses if he doesn't get better showcasings in the anime

I actually want Tommo to do a battle between Byakuya and Hashwalth.

@@muchoyurdem5260 think so? Im in the middle that’s why I’d like to hear what a expert like tommo would think

I think it doesn't even need to "show up" . Lille just sniping the place where the cross should suffice.

I love both of their videos 😂😂😂. It would be cool to see them collaborate.

They aint standing a chance against jugo ☠️ The Balance absolutely annihilates them both

@@achmedschachbrett772 no.

no lol . jugram will negg them he is superior in both stats and hax .

@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519 bruv Are you restarted??? Im saying that jugram Beats Both of them, cant you read

@@achmedschachbrett772 I think he's responding to the same comment you were responding to, he's not replying to you lol

please gremmy was getting walked by Zaraki and was using his imagination to it's fullest to try to beat him while Gerard was pressureing and beat this same Zaraki

Both negs Gremmy

penetrate anything between his weapon and his target, ignoring obstacles and durability Basically it isn’t a tangible bullet, he is simply ERASING whatever area he targets. The Cross is a tangible object that HOLDS The Miracle’s ability. Bankai Kenpachi can’t cut it because it is virtually unbreakable by conventional physical means. But here’s the key to all this and why Lille CAN break the Cross. The X-Axis simply completely ignores defense which means if Lille has the Cross in his sight, it is effectively deleted from existence. No questions asked. Until Kubo says that isn’t possible and that the Miracle has a defense for this, Lille wins easily.

So Lillie can't win because you like Kenpanchi and scale him >>>😂. Lillie's power doesn't rely on Attack Power like Kenpanchis so you're analysis is moot.

If the cross has durability then Lille can destroy as his power straight up negates durability.

One of the few that uses logic 👏

@@muchoyurdem5260 Please elaborate on the "logic"?🧐

Can’t argue with that. I agree.

He would get one shot by Lille to the head killing him right there.

​@@0eyesYou think that would stop Gremmy?

@@xenoemblem7 Yes, he’s literally just a brain.

@@xenoemblem7yes bro gremmy is a brain 😂

I have Tosh over Shunsui although it's hard. Same as Gerard>Lille