Yeah it's really upsetting to see so often, like do these people realise how they come accross? Like it's clear their allyship is entirely conditional on if you like the person or not. awful, awful stuff
Doesn't like the stories. Doesn't like the characters. Doesn't like the exploration. Doesn't like team building. Doesn't like the combat. Doesn't like the side events. Likes Gardevoir. But doesn't like Gallade. This isn't a fan of pokemon. This is a horny tourist.
She sound less a fan of the franchise, and more of someone who found one of Gardevoir's porn once on the net, latched to it to an unhealthy degree and now try to justify her obsession by pretending to be a fan of the media where the character came from.
dw they dont even understand how the stats work, type chart works, or even the tag of the series, "gotta catch em all". I would expect someone to cry if they're so new to the series despite playing the past 5 games straight to get straight up demolished by gen 6 despite how absurdly easy it is.
The repeated point of "Pokemon games are poorly balanced because they're not balanced specifically around the Gardevoir line" is actually the funniest take anybody has ever thrown out lmao
I'm genuinely obsessed with her for this, like I can't even be mad it's just so outrageous and bizarre. I can't help but applaud her for it. Every time she says it, it gets funnier. And she's so relentlessly dedicated to this absurd take that I have no choice but to respect it so hard.
The funniest way I've ever seen someone shit on Pokemon tbh. It's the same vibe as your younger sibling who was super into charizard when you showed them your save file and then in their own playthrough didn't get why the big fire lizard can't solo through the water gym
@iheartblock3792 Yeah if you cant beat a pokemon game using Gardevoir, then frankly its a skill issue. Ive soloed pokemon games with much worse pokemon, with level caps. So have many others.
"The battles are too easy, Pokémon sucks." "The battles are too hard, Pokémon sucks." "This one strategy I am using steamrolls everything, Pokémon sucks." "The one strategy I am using has a counter, Pokémon sucks" "There's too much walking interrupting gameplay, Pokémon sucks" "There's too much gameplay interrupting walking, Pokémon sucks" "I'm ignoring all this dialogue because Pokémon sucks." "I have no idea what is going on because I ignored the dialogue, Pokémon sucks" "The story is too silly, Pokémon sucks" "The story is too serious, Pokémon sucks" "I want to kill cats and have sexual relations with Gardevoir, am I not sooo edgy and funny, he he, also Pokémon sucks"
@@John1-17 Yep, and I have every one of those, because I have no friends... jk... but it really saves time trying to find someone who has the other ones.
Its so funny cause someone in the comments pointed out how she didnt get the themes or N and she had the nastiest fucking reply, shes so awful to anyone who disagrees with her
For someone who claims to be indigenous, Lily is remarkably insensitive towards the Native Hawaiian culture. Of which Sun and Moon is steeped in. Hell she even missed the running plot of Sun and Moon that invasive species of Pokemon are wiping out the Alolan variants. Which is a very real problem Hawaii faces in real life.
Right, she literally went from making a crass comment about Gladion being a colonizer to complaining about Hokulani being some kind of difficult word that needs to f off. Also not surprised that she made a joke about Poni Island, but all of the island names are Hawaiian words for colors that correspond to the real life islands as well.
Very true! And on top of that, the Alolan region is actually representative of a lot of islands and their unique environments coming under threat, even up to and including _Australia,_ the largest island in the world, which is why Komala is included in the dex lineup!
She completely misses the point of generation 7. In gen 7, your character is a person not of the Alolan culture, but the people are welcoming and friendly, and invite you to participate in one of their traditions as a way of welcoming you to the islands. It introduces a sort of slice-of-life vibe to the game and makes that aspect of it feel very cozy. Gen 7's theme is belonging, and how people who have been displaced or abandoned can find community and friendship elsewhere. Lillie and Gladion are estranged from their mother and they both find people to accept them just as the main character is accepted into Alola. Lillie finds Professor Kukui and Gladion finds Team Skull, which itself is made up of people who failed their island challenges and felt ostracized. That feeds into why Guzma dislikes the cultural emphasis placed on the island challenge--if you fail it, you're made to feel like you don't belong. His motivation is actually interesting and it's why he's one of the better antagonists. People really sleep on gen 7 because they're allergic to reading...
@@thewitchbasket I just want to say, THANK YOU!! for this cause it almost felt like I was going crazy listening to that part cause it felt weird to ignore such an integral aspect of it
@@Lemonrollcake aside from the characters and shit gen 7 kind of sucked ass imo. i've never felt more bored playing any other game, and they were the only games in the series that i dropped after about an hour or two of playing lol (i did eventually finish them though)
The hypocricy for Lily to claim that Lucamine proves Game Freak is sexist, whilst also ignoring Cynthia's relevance as a respected woman in power that the fandom also adores
Oh no, i havent finished the video but i hope to god she isnt defending lusamine and calling GF sexist for saying that the horrible parental abuser is bad….
Fucking lucamines own fucking daughter is shown as a strong independent woman. Like how the fuck is gamefreak sexist when every game before had men as the main villains
It's not just that, the Pokemon franchise is *FILLED* with amazing female characters, not ever shown to be inferior to men, never once in fact. It's so stupid to even talk about this, since Pokemon has always been for everyone and has been kind to everyone of all ages and of all people, never limited to one. That's always been the goal of Pokemon. Lily should be ousted from the internet
If Game Freak is sexist, not having a lead to the criminal faction that they have in every game be a woman until the 7th generation is more of a sign of that than anything else.
I noticed something about Lily just now... Character Growth is non existent for her. Her first interaction with a character is THE only viewpoint she'll have with that character for the whole game. She doesn't believe a character can change or grow, apparently?
I fully bet that if Lily ever got into Borderlands she'd unironically be saying shit like "Handsome Jack Did Nothing Wrong". Edit: to clarify, I mean that she'd unironically support Jack's idea of "Civilizing" Pandora, not noticing (or caring) that Jack's idea of "Civilizing Pandora" is really just "Killing Anyone On The Planet That Doesn't Worship The Ground I Walk On".
This actually makes sense why she doesn't understand specific characters. Because she doesn't see the character growth that she just sees... The first impression and that's it.
Lily's rant about Gardevoir being "broken" is awe inspiring. Like... Lily... Lily. Smogon and the VGC community knows how Calm Mind works. You are not a revolutionary for realizing it's a good move. It's also well known among the hardcore romhack crowd that the AI is not well designed for dealing with set-up sweepers. You are also ignoring that discussion of competitive pokemon are specifically in the *context of competitive pokemon.* Also. *Also.* Gardevoir was OU in gen 3! People thought it was good! You can read all about how good it was on Smogon! It won Worlds in 2014! It's just been power crept! Peak making up people to be mad at. No notes. Grass has never touched her fingers.
granted lily would probably write off the power creep bit as "competitive player bullshit" in order to maintain the idea that her favorite piece of goon material is the greatest while also denying that she has a sexual attraction to Gardevoir.
@@phlogistinatorpb oh for sure, but if someone calls her on it she'll trip over herself in a rush to say "nuh-uh! your the pokephiliac! not me!" but, if she just said she wanted gardivoir carnally at least then she'd be a hypocrite given how she's railed against people who want to fuck one of the humanoid pokemon in the past. (which isn't weird of an idea, our species/evolutional ancestors has had a history of fucking it evolutionary cousins. in fact we share a type of pubic lice with gorillas iirc. and we tend to be attached to almost anything that looks like us to an extent. there's the reason the harkness test exists in the first place.)
Gardevoir was never good in RSE no offense. The only real niche it sort of has is as a reflect memento user on shitty Linoone gimmick teams because Trace let it trap Dugtrio and technically use it as setup fodder to do so.
Setting up stat ups on any pokemon is pretty busted (in single player) like you said, the ai is not really equipped to deal with set up sweepers generally, against a real player the best counter if someone is setting up is Bring in something to stop it with roar or killing it with type effectiveness. They will generally just kinda sit there and let you get max stats. Even a pokemon as lacking in stats like smeargle can beat just about anything with enough stat modifiers slapped on it. Gardevoir is certainly a fine pokemon, but there are other pokemon that can just set up sweep faster.
>makes “comprehensive review of the entire series” >willfully chooses to not engage with major parts of the game, then criticizing them for not being present >least obvious rage bait
It HAS to be bait, doesn't it? Why else would she: 1) Claim that Blue is a friendly rival, either because she doesn't understand social interactions well enough to notice the playground bully behavior, or because she's being a contrarian. 2) Claim that Gen II doesn't have enough Pokemon available in the first half of the game, while refusing to catch Suicune or Red Gyarados, and seemingly only using 6 Pokemon in that playthrough anyway. She didn't even bother to pick up the Eevee in Goldenrod City! As an aside: Seriously, there's _dozens_ of popular Gen II Pokemon that you can find in Johto without really having to hunt for them. Just off the top of my head, there's Mareep, Wooper, Miltank, Marill, Girafarig, Phanpy, Skarmory, and Sneasel. And if you're willing to explore, you can find Pokemon like Dunsparce, Heracross, and Wobuffett. All these Pokemon are available before the Elite Four. She says Gen II has the worst Pokemon availability problem in the _series_. Does she really think having to wait till Kanto to catch Houndour is worse than DEXIT? 3) Go out of her way to hack Ralts into every possible game as a starter, then complain when Ralts and Kirlia frequently faint during the first half of the game. It's almost like Ralts is balanced to be weak in the first half of the game and strong in the second half of the game, while starter Pokemon are balanced to be consistently strong throughout the entire game! But being able to reference your creepy Gardevoir fanart is so much more important than actually playing the game you're reviewing the way the devs intended. 4) Double and triple down on an unfunny joke about throwing rocks at animals. 5) Complain about the bad storytelling in the series without actually paying attention to the dialogue. I don't really like the plot of any Pokemon games either, but these stories are very simple. If you're going to say they're bad, put in the effort to explain WHY they are bad. Otherwise, people will rightfully be upset that you're dismissing them without even engaging with them. 6) Complain about every single popular character in the series. And that's just the few things that stuck out to me. Lily's the queen of rage bait. Her whole life revolves around negativity.
Nah, it's more like Peggy Hill refusing to open the one door in their vacation house and realizing they had a whole house and not just a tiny room to use, then complaining about how bad the service was.
@@sunlizard9593 Again, don’t see why everyone got up in arms about the cat comment yet didn’t say anything when she joked about crushing insects with rocks or hitting bats with rocks. Is it only animal abuse if the animal is popular with humans? All three jokes were tasteless, but if you’re gonna rag on one of them don’t just let the others slide.
@@scootermcpeanuts6699 a insect is seen as socially ok to crush and a bat should never ever want to get close enough to able to swing at and hit unless it has RABIES!!!!!
Lily Orchard's ideal story is Protagonist walking down an empty hallway to Unambiguously Evil Antagonist, killing them in one hit, and then the story ends.
@@supersaiyankirby OPM also has a bunch of goons in that long hallway trying (and failing) to stop him. (The hallway is street, and he's trying to get groceries)
Ok we have to make sure the umambiguously evil guy is specifically made in a way to be a person lily doesn't like Can't have a redemption Can't be a difficult fight Can't be an easy fight Can't be in the middle Can't be subtle (she'll misunderstand it) Can't be surface level (she'll misunderstand it) Can't be over 18 (i'm not legally allowed to finish this joke) Can't be... uhh...
Gendering the entire species of e.g. Butterfree as female while still referring to others as "it" just kinda weirds me out man. And what earns you female pronouns is being a butterfly. Really?
she refers to geodude as male later in the video too, it's so strange... like, i know "uweghhh you can't assume someone's gender" is a meme, but seriously, butterfree and geodude both have 50/50 male to female ratios........ she tends to gender pokémon she likes as female, too, which is really strange.
She has really weird and restrictive takes on gender, desite being trans. You can see this a lot in her Steven Universe video, and she's very quick to assign a gender based on appearance or constantly misgender people in fiction and in real life. I didn't even realize Stevonnnie went by "they" until O sat down and watched SU because she constantly misgenders them.
@@avalennear5173 Part of her obsession with Gardevoir actually is how it has two genders despite being very feminine leaning. That's why she despises Gallade, he's only male.
for anyone here who got this randomly in their recommended and dont know much about lily orchard, her sister has gone on record to say she was sexually abused by her so please do not go to her channel to even hate watch any reviews shes made. she does these hate reviews largely on purpose to get traction, views, and money.
@@Kenpachi546you can search up “lily orchard sister” to get most of the “drama”, but her name is courtney, and she made a video called “my name is courtney orchard” from the channel “courtney peet”.
Tbf, Lily Orchard doesn't understand many things that isn't being vitriolic, tooting how her opinion is the best or being very happy to see someone she hates being berated by his abusive father. (In a way, that's not gonna beat any of her abuse allegations anytime soon)
@@Zorothegallade-gg7zgif lily is a trans person from what I’m hearing in the video it sounds like a dude But yea if that’s the case most trans people will never ever listen to anything that doesn’t agree with there warped reality 😂but yea I guess I’ll have to hear how I’m a trans phobe for saying the truth 😊
Even then, my little dyslexic brain could usually get through the whole game, if not at least to the elite 4, without ever comprehending a word. And I still somehow understood more of the mechanics and story than she did.
i am unbearably pissed at Lily talking about how she one hit Yveltal by USING A MEGA SHE WASNT SUPPOSED TO HAVE YET- and she's so happy about it- despite the fact that the last thirty minutes of the same video was about how bad one hits are. I genuinely think she has the brain of a kindergartener
Why do people like her always think that their favorite pokemon has to be good before they're allowed to like them? The designs are there to be appealing, it's alright if that's the only thing you enjoy about the mon
My favorite Pokémon is Gallade Gallade isn't a very good Pokémon in competitive I can be petty and vindictive Did I make a 6 hour video hating on the entire franchise? No
“The game is too easy, but I keep getting OHKOd by super effective moves, but RU-vidrs that say offensive strats are optimal are STUPID because defensive strategies are OP, but I keep losing to overpowered Pokémon, because game is too easy”
"You're the kind of person who's mad that Disney isn't doing classic villains anymore", says the woman that just spent hours complaining about villains with philosophy
i beat cynthia on my first try when i played pearl when i was 11, after spamming revives and full restores of course. her milotic was what i had the most trouble with because i was alternating between my infernape (which i had overlevelled since i was 11 and my starter was my favorite) and my luxray (2nd highest level in my party, stronger against milotic)
The fact that she sided with Ghetsis, a psychopathic abuser, verbally assaulting N, a literal grooming victim, because of her petty hatred for him is insane. She seriously ignored all the abuse and manipulation N went through as a orphan child just to dismiss him as a "debatebro."
She does the exact same thing to Hunter from Owl House same level of disdain and hatred for an abused and brainwashed child... she hates abuse victims becaue she's an abuser herself
I have to admit while I don't particularly care for N either (just not my cup of tea) but even I know his final act with Ghetsis in BW is easily one of the most engaging and best parts of his arc and the whole game. Lily is literally psychologically incapable of going outside her own preferences that of course she'd have to resort to pure spite and dismissal at that point, otherwise her brain would fry at what she's engaging with.
It needs to be remarked that the plot of Gen 3 was based on real events that happened in Japan in the 80s. It was called the isahana bay project, which was the proposal to extend the landmass into the sea to create more land for farming. There was a large debate between the scientists planning the proposal and the fishermen who were concerned about the impact on both their fishing yields, as well as the ecosystem of the oceans around the coast in general. It wasn't just some silly cartoon plot. There was some actual weight behind the land versus sea debate. It very much ties into Gen 3's overall theme of environmentalism. Unfortunately for a lot of fans outside of Japan, this reference is completely lost, so most just write it off.
@@goldenalpaca3881 In my opinion I wouldn’t blame the average fan for not knowing because it’s 1. For most it’s another country, 2. Another time(most RSE fans were kids when it happened and thus wouldn’t have even been alive at the time) and 3. The game doesn’t advertise the allusion and it’s more so a fun thing to pick up. This doesn’t apply to Lily however because she’s claims this to be a retrospective and as part of that, she should he researched into the other underlying elements that helped make the game which would have no doubt included the inspiration for the game, so for her to chalk the story up to being “a silly cartoon plot” more so shows how poorly thought out this “retrospect” really was.
Oh shit i didn't know that! Very good to know, team magma and aqua seem way less ridiculous now! Honestly if they made this conflict more clear it could've translated over a bit better. Maybe having Team Magma grunts or one admin be farmers and Team Aqua grunts/one admin be fishermen and have the higher ups be scientists could've made the conflict more understandable? the team bosses could still be wacky dudes, but at least their motivations wouldn't be as ridiculous.
this is awesome insight i wish i knew about, i still wouldn't say gen 3 are good games with it. But i think that is the point. Kind of like social commentary in art making characterization pieces bloating the situation or mocking it. While in a way, its more like a historical documentation, how the fans see it would be mockingly because the plots are so dumb. Just like how this idea shoulda stayed as both sides are wrong and dumb. You can't have more water, you can't have more land. its that simple because nature loses in the end on both means.
Every Pokémon is someone's favorite Pokémon. Does she really expect every single Pokémon in the game to be available early on so everyone can immediately catch their favorites? Also, forcing you to use new Pokémon you've never used before is a way of making you get new favorites instead of relying on the same ones every game.
It really sounds like she just wants a selector at the beginning of the game that lets you pick your whole team from the start. And then just walk through caves and forests with no trainer or wild Pokemon encounters as she goes from empty gym to empty gym in unpopulated towns.
For someone who likes Gardevoir a lot, and calls it 'broken'. She never acknowledges the awful stats Ralts and Kirlia have. It's no surprise she had a rough time during Gen 6 with the Rock gym. Kirlia, a stage 1 pokémon, has less Base stats than a starter pokémon.
The starters tend to have some well rounded stats in all of their stages (except for the first two gens for reasons) which is what makes them perfect beginner Pokémon. Not so much with Ralts which has a stat distribution on par with Baby Pokémon. No wonder she struggled until it fully evolved into Gardevoir.
@@GravityFaizI really don't understand why Lily complains about the AI doing so much damage when she insists on using almost exclusively glass cannons. Kirlia especially before evolving to Gardevoir is made of glass bones and paper skin with a defensive spread that's worse than almost if not every 1st stage starter pokemon.
@@armedweiss5531 fennekin has the lowest base stat total of all first stage starter Pokemon at 307. Kirlia has a base stat total of 278. Fennekin's base stats are all higher across the board with the sole exception being its special attack which is 3-point lower than kirlia's.
In the video she actually does at least once say that ralts and kirlia have shit stats. The problem is that only makes her seem lazier because she continues to waste her time using them and complaining that the game sucks when she loses.
Considering she's forcing herself into a career of "reviewing" media she vehemently hates without properly researching them (has she even seen POOL HOPPING), hate and joylessness* is all she has *autocorrect thought I meant to say joblessness, and that was too funny not to include
As someone who has watched her videos, she commonly uses a humor and praises her wife. And one can be critical of things you like. I think it's slightly disingenuous to say she is the most miserable person, when she has a small community in which many like her content for that level of humor, who enjoy it. My point isn't that you should like it, or that it's objectively good, but making such a character judgement in public forum seems a bit off.
@@endstudios9345if u really want to be pedantic abt it op said she *sounds* like the most miserable person which is an opinion and to be expected when you put out subjective reviews to be publically consumed and critisised
I KNEW IT! When she started "hinting" at not liking N, I thought, "Oh, he definitely beat her a bunch of times so now she hates him." And yep! The ferris wheel scene just proves that.
This might get buried because it's a later response. Lily in fact does not understand abuse victims. I actually commented on her original video calling out her horrendous take on Gen 5 and how she was giving contrarian. She stated that she didn't like N being an absolutist and I pointed out how that N is an absolutist because of the abuse and manipulation Ghetsis put N through since he was a child. And she just ignored that point entirely. I also told her that her constantly losing to N at the Ferris Wheel was indeed a skill issue.
Concidering what she did to her sister, I don't think she can allow herself to empathize with an abuse victim at all for fear that it'll make her feel guilty for her horrific crime.
The fact that Lily Orchard constantly belittles, insults, and downplays the trauma of 3 victims of child abuse (N, Lillie, and Gladion) really says something about her as a person.
Wasn't there implications that Guzma may have suffered some as well which is why he ran away from his parents home when he was younger (maybe misremembering though)
@@shelbywright9134 yep it was honestly one of the cooler parts of that game for me: that a group of mistreated or even worse broken outcasts who some of which their worst crime was failing a tradition that they gave it their all for went and formed not just a gang but also group that's like family culminating with the leader being a broken man through no fault of his own only seeming like a jerk on the outside but being honestly really beloved by those who knew him It helped drive home one of the major themes of the game: the importance of family and your loved ones and their impact in life
As a Gen 5 fan, the reason why people love Cheren and Bianca is that we see them grow as people. Bianca starts out as a clumsy trainer who ends up trashing your room and Cheren starts out with a vibe of not seeing the task of being a Pokemon trainer as a fun journey but as a goal to be achieved with the upmost optimization. And througouth the story, we see them change, with Bianca becoming more competent and skilled, and is eventually Professor Juniper's assistant, implying that she's now one of the smartest people in Unova. Cheren on the other hand chills out and stops focusing on becoming the strongest and instead becomes a teacher and gym leader, focusing on now helping others achieve the same strength he once aspired for. And then there's Hugh, the B2/W2 rival she just decided to not mention, who has an extremely unique take on a rival, where he doesn't consider himself to be a rival with you at all, not even in a friendly way, and instead instead views himself as your partner, with his own goals that he wants your help to achieve and battles you because he want's to know he can trust you as a trainer to help him. And that is even shown in gameplay with how many double battles you do with Hugh against Team Plasma, where the experience you gained by fighting one another gets put to the test with having to co-operate.
Something to note about Bianca and her story. She hates battling, to a degree, and it's her journey that makes her see that she's not cut out to be a trainer in the traditional sense. She drops out from gyms at what? Right after skyla? And goes on to tell you that whiles she's still training to keep up somewhat she's shifted her entire focus on to understanding pokemon. Completing it's self as her getting the assistant job. Which is a cool as story line for any character in pokemon and one we haven't seen sense really.
@@dafirelive i lost my drive once i watched the first few minutes of gen 5 and this solidifies it. she judged gen 5 without including a whole GAME? gsc and rse postgame was already insane but yeesh
@FlaringStardust I also found it funny how she complained on how the battle frontier wasn't in oras, but then never played or talked about the battle frontier to show why it was disappointing that it was excluded.
@@TH3H3LLR41S3R Bianca doesn't actually hate battling. The reason she stopped trying to be a Pokemon trainer like the you or Cheren has to do with her just not being good enough. She eventually realizes that, despite the fact that she dreamed of becoming a trainer just like every other kid, she's just not cut out for it; that's around when she starts to help professor Juniper and decides she wants to be a scientist like her.
Lily: Hacks in a pokemon that's frail in the early game in exchange for lategame power Also Lily: "Why are enemy pokemon doing so much more damage than mine?"
@@robertlupa8273 ... Because it's Lily Orchard and the Ralts and Kirlia stages are part of the appeal. (She's written a bunch of THAT kind of fanfiction about minors.)
@@000Dragon50000yeah I really think the fact she hacks in a RALTS instead of it’s final evolved form really says a lot. Especially considering her accused real life interactions with minors and how her sister recently accused her of viewing drawn images of children in that way…
@@aaronymous9Maybe within context. But on its surface it seems perfectly reasonable to start with the pre-evolved form. Not only does it feel less like cheating, but evolution is part of the fun in Pokemon.
So, it's clear that Lily doesn't understand XY, which a lot of people don't because the game was definitely much easier than other games- but the plot is actually incredibly easy to understand, and a bit of genius take that just wasn't explored to the fullest. Here's what I mean: 1. "Team Flare is similar to Team Plasma." No, they aren't, not even close. Team Plasma is full of people who either thought they were genuinely helping pokémon or people who wanted to rule the world, that was a very important aspect of the "not everything is black and white" theme. However, Team Flare is deceptively complex in the opposite direction. Kalos, the region about reputation, is built upon well... reputation. This is why Lysandre seems so "cool" to everyone in-game but "cringe" to us, because he's quite literally hiding in plain sight. Team Flare? You mean those guys who wear expensive suits and own a really good coffee shop sponsored by the richest dude in the region? The Team Flare that is so monumentally influential that you have to *pay* to get into them? Nobody would think they're evil because like everything else in Kalos, it's an aesthetic choice that's profitable. 2. "Lysandre is boring." Actually, he isn't, he's just straightforward. Again, the entire gimmick with Kalos is that because the region doesn't focus on battling, but beauty, everything that is popular has a reputation. Team Flare is full of weaklings with terrible pokemon because realistically, they're just a bunch of average people who want to look cool and gain social prestige by being a part of an evil team. Lysandre sounds boring because he doesn't have to hide how crazy he is because everyone thinks it's an aesthetic choice. Our first encounter with him is actively asking Diantha if she would want to be beautiful forever, and the only reason why didn't clock the hell out of him right there is because that is literally what he specializes in: products meant to last forever. It's also the same reason Malva, the Fire-type Elite Four member, is tripling as a news reporter and Team Flare Admin ... aesthetic purposes. The story is only boring once you realize half of these characters literally treat our in-game goal as cosplay, the same one Paldean Gym Leaders treat battling like a job and not a hobby, because to them, it just isn't. 3. "Lysandre wants to murder the world," My sister in christ he doesn't? Lysandre wants to remove all of things that make the world ugly, yes, but the entire world outright? No. I think it was rushed that he started spouted "A world only team flare can live in!" Because we are quite literally told the story about the ultimate weapon can destroy a lot of stuff, but it can't flat out wipe out humanity, that's the whole point- Lysandre's desire of a beautiful world is selective. Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon double down and say "What if he succeeded and wiped out the whole world, he'd off himself in the progress." Except the whole point of the ultimate weapon is that... it can't do that. It can cause a lot of damage, but destroy everything? Its impossibility is quite literally why AZ and Floette are immortal, the machine can't do that, even when powered by life and death itself. That's why when we beat him, Seana and Serena/Calem are like "You could mega evolve your Gyarados, so clearly you have a bond with it and it does with you too, isn't there beauty in that?" Because he's caring to a fault. In fact, the most important moment of the game is when you are given the option to pick between the red and blue buttons and if you pick the right button, Xerosic (the guy who oversees whether or not you choose the right button) STILL tells Lysandre that you chose wrong, even though Lysandre quite literally said "If you pick the right button, I'll stop." And regardless of whether or not he would've, it doesn't matter because we're never given the option to see the outcome. And Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon just doubles down and makes him an irredeemable monster, but that isn't even the same Lysandre. It's like saying if Chairman Rose had succeeded and accidentally destroyed Galar he wouldn't be redeemable when that Rose and the Rose we know are two completely different people. 4. "Black and White wasn't the turning point in the series" It was. Both it and XY were pivotal moments in this franchise. While Black and White asked the questions of "Is our desires really what pokémon want?" Then XY follows up that question with "What if we don't give them a choice?" Because that's what XY is about, the lack of choice. Humans started a war that resulted in the death of many pokémon, Kalos has several pokémon that exists solely as weapons of war (Aegislash, Clawitzer, several megas which are the byproduct of said war), Kalos is the region where an entire city is a mass graveyard for pokémon that fought in a war that they mostly did not want to fight for of their own choosing, Kalos is the region that was so ruined by war that most pokémon within the region are weaker shells of their former selves-- which contrasts to Unova, the literal war region where even the bugs types are overpowered and evolve at late levels (a sign of how dangerous a region is). Both games ask questions about the feelings of pokémon, whereas Gen 7 and 8 ask more human centric questions and Gen 9 is more or less a break from it (to a degree). 5. "I like that Diantha isn't as involved as other Champions" Except Lily likes it for the wrong reasons. Diantha isn't involved as much because that's the point- *Diantha isn't a pokémon battler*- she is a movie star that just happens to be exceptional at it. Not like Steven Stone whose both great at pokémon battling and his hobby, but rather that Diantha just happened to be talented while excelling at her hobby. She isn't present because realistically it isn't her business. Sure, champions are like the regions mega police and last resort, but to Kalos and by extension Alola, Galar, and Paldea, the champion's job is just to be really good at battling. What made Cynthia and Aldar so good was that they actually had high moral compasses and cared about their home, they aimed to put their talent to use for the entire region, which is why they're so involved. The lack of involvement from champions shouldn't be liked because you hate how much they care or don't care, but rather because its good storytelling 101, which anyone who's played DPPT or BW would know and immediately recognize while playing XY- again, the region where nobody actually cares about pokémon battling. 6. "XY isn't a deep game" That's cute, somebody didn't pay attention on their playthrough. 7. [[Furthermore]]: XY had a lot of cut content, like the idea of Sycamore and Lysandre being villains and two sides of the same coin. Sycamore in X and Lysandre in Y, which would've made a lot of sense- one professor cares about life to such a degree that he'd destroyed the world trying to preserve it, while another important member in society only recognizes the cruelty in the world and wants to destroy it. But that didn't happen and much of the game's content was scrapped, leaving a bunch of plot holes and lacking story beats that don't make sense unless you really care enough about the game to do a deep dive (which most don't). Regardless, XY isn't the perfect successor to Black and White, but it does ask the necessary questions that Black and White wanted to answer, which is why the story seems so boring, because XY is about the superficial nature of people when interacting with pokémon, how they abuse them and use them for their own gain, and how this affects pokémon just as much- if not worse- than it affects us. And I think that a lot of people dislike XY to really see the story it was trying to tell, because its themes aren't as complex in the same way or stand on their own, but are trying to build upon a question asked in a game that is considered monumentally better than it- which leads to a skewed viewpoint/analysis of the game and it's really unfortunate to see.
As someone who doesn't like XY, I enjoyed reading your argument. There's only one glaring thing missing--in my opinion, because to me it's important, it might not be for someone else--Team Flare and Lysandre are very shallow. And I don't mean, oh they have no character--no, they are actually shallow. Team Flare is composed of people who paid a small fortune to get into the group under the pretense of safety when the apocalypse happened, and their main motivation is looking good. Lysandre, as well, has a good idea--he simply wants the world to be beautiful like he thinks it deserves to be, though the way he goes about it is destructive and...well, honestly kinda goofy? He cries that Pokémon will be wiped out when he completes his plan, doubles down, and then throws a fit when he loses, resulting in him blasting the base with the Ultimate Weapon. What result did he ultimately want by the end? A world where Pokémon are wiped out, might be able to return as life goes on but who knows, and most of humanity is extinct, except for people he deemed were qualified to return the world to its precious, beautiful and strife-free state. Except...the people he deemed qualified were a bunch of weenies in nice suits who, during the game's events, seem to care more about looking fashionable than thinking about what's for them on the other side. I'm not saying at all that this is a *bad* thing. It's alright for the villains to have flawed plans, that's kind of the point. Even if you've recontextualized the plot for me and made me realize that a lot of it makes sense, I'm here wishing that the game just had a better script, and maybe trimmed a bit of the fat that managed to get in but didn't seem to go anywhere. Again, I dislike this game. It's the first game that made me become jaded with the series, though I've slowly come back as I experienced games on my own without other people telling me how to feel. But this is a good, compelling argument! As such friend, thank you so much for broadening my horizons. I might always be wistful about what could've been, but at least I know it was out there!
Team Flare is full of clout-chasing B’s (so named by Dorothy Thompson) who would latch onto any movement as long as it would grant them success. People who don’t have anything else in them to tell them what they like and what they don’t.
I dislike XY however I admit your analysis is good. The main issue I have with the last argument is that it's one thing to have the ideas laid bare and say, “oh look, this is a cool idea!” It's another question entirely to execute it. XY has failed its execution.
@@gummieghoulTeam flare is shallow on PURPOSE. The main theme of gen 6 is beauty. Both inner beauty and outer beauty. Thats why the main evil team is a bunch of shallow members in flashy outfits. Also why their opposition (us the players and group of friends) all are passionate and have a lot of personality.
If it was literally anybody else it could at least be passed off as a joke, but given how vocal the Pokemon fandom is about pre-development-in-the-later-games (especially in the early days when he and his anime/Gary incarnation were our only frame of reference for the character) Blue *and* Lily's past history, it doesn't really paint a rosy picture in Lily's favor.
The way she attacked Rebeca sugar in her Steven universe video and stops just short of saying sugar, who is Jewish is actually a Nazi apologist is truly sickening
Considering Lily Orchard's sister has come forward about the abuse she suffered from Lily, I'm not entirely sure Lily knows what being nice is, so I guess her opinion on Blue makes sense.
There's a reason Starter Pokemon are designed the way they are. They evolve earlier than almost any other Pokemon in the game, they tend to get access to good STAB options early, and their base stats are pretty high when compared to their early-game peers. They're meant to be reliable and to help you get through hard fights that you might not have been able to manage with your other Pokemon. And most importantly, they're designed to be this way from the beginning of the game all the way to the end. A level 19 Ralts, a Pokemon with 198 BST, is not going to stand up to Totem Wishiwashi the way a level 19 Dartrix (BST 420) would. Even if you took the time to evolve Ralts, Kirlia is still slower, frailer, and offensively weaker than Dartrix, and you're still probably going to lose the fight. For the entire first half of the game, using Ralts as a starter is a MASSIVE disadvantage, and if you're up to that challenge, then more power to you, but you can't then turn around and complain about "inflated damage values". Ralts is a Pokemon that has stats on par with Caterpie and Weedle but evolves 10 levels later than them. It's simply not capable of being the backbone of a Pokemon team. EDIT: It gets even worse. Starter Pokemon are part of the Medium Slow experience group. Despite the name, Pokemon in this group actually level up very quickly early on, by needing fewer experience points to gain a level. (In fact, they grow faster than Pokemon in the Fast group all the way until level 30!) This allows the starter Pokemon to keep pace with the intended level curve of the early game, as well as rewarding the player for, you know, using their starter. Ralts, on the other hand, is in the Slow experience group. True to its name, this group is very slow at gaining experience, from level 1 to level 100, meaning it doesn't benefit from the weird fluctuation of the Medium Slow rate. This means that it is going to feel like a SLOG to level this Pokemon up. (If you've ever played Gen 3 and wondered why leveling up your Nincada felt like such a chore, well, that's why) Comparing the two experience tables, the difference is shocking. To reach level 19, a Dartrix needs 4575 experience points. A Ralts at the same level needs 8573 points! It's no wonder Lily was underleveled all the time; by using Ralts as a starter, you literally need to put in double the work for only half the results. TL;DR If you want to have fun playing Pokemon, don't use Ralts as your starter.
@L_Nivale chikorita essentially only gets fucked over by the game it started in. because the johto gyms and team rocket leave grass type pokemon in general at a disadvantage. you'd have more value playing the whole game without a grass type, it's not only a chikorita problem. in the grand scheme of things, chikorita is a decent bulk starter, it just gets outshined by other bulky grass types.
Holy shit that Gardevoir speech, she desperately needs gardevoir to be the strongest to validate her love for it. Maybe that why she doesn't get silver's character arc, because that would be introspecting on her own validation issues
A shame she doesn’t go into the post games of any of these Pokémon games. Silver actually experiences growth to where he’s he first rival to have a Pokémon evolved via friendship. She also doesn’t talk about Pokémon reflecting the trainer. Example being Gladion with Silvally, Lucario, and Crobat, all 3 needing high friendship to evolve. But let’s joke about how Gladion’s a Hitler youth instead.
I know full well what it's like to really like a Pokemon that's underwhelming in battle. My PFP and name refer to a Pokemon that sucks. For a more direct example, I've used a Silk Scarf boosted, Swords Dance boosted, max power Return Zangoose before. She shredded through damn near anything in the game but that doesn't magically change the fact that a player with any semblance of a strategy could tear through it very quickly. I feel like she has this really sour feeling towards competitive or anyone who says her favorite Pokemon has weaknesses or bad matchups in the game. It's super weird and leads to arguments I never thought I'd see from someone apparently very into Pokemon.
And the worst part is the Gardevoir can be good. I should know. It carried one of my Nuzlocke teams and I had one as a champion Pokemon in Scarlet. But a Pokemon doesn't NEED to be good to be a favorite or for you to like it.
@@angelsartandgaming she shit talks and calls N a debate bro/incel despite him being a victim of gaslighting and verbal abuse from a tyrannical man of deceit, of course she’ll talk bad about Gladion being edgy without understanding why he’s like that. Namely that his mother became obsessed with a toxic rock jellyfish and left with that in mind (also taking care of the equivalent of Pokémon’s Frankenstein, Type:Null/Silvally as it was in its feral state)
You know this project is f'ed to begin with when Lily calls it a retrospective, but instead of actually delving into any interesting history or context, or discussing how her perspective on these games might've changed with the passage of time, she is basically just doing a Nostalgia Critic style nitpicky playthrough/review of all the main games. Also very funny that Lily doesn't get the joke of Gladion; he's sold to you as this almost cartoonishly edgy bad boy character, but in reality he's actually a huge softy who only wants to get strong because he hates seeing his friends get hurt in battle. Like, his end game team is 3 Pokemon that all evolve via Max friendship, and a Pokemon who's whole thing is putting on a facade.
Exactly. He literally shut himself away because of the abuse his mother put him through. It's why he joined Team Skull. He was lashing out. But deep down, he's still sweet. But he has blonde hair so...I guess he's a Nazi now.
it's also just very very VERY funny to imagine Gladion being the angriest edgy bitch to you and Hau because he finds you personally annoying, and then turning around and baby talking while scratching Type: Nulls neck like its a big dog
@@k-master973 I think even Lillie is better than Lilly at thinking critically. Actually, no she actually is, given how she develops through the story!
that last one had me quaking in my socks. imagine lily going after something like halo or monster hunter. Especially MH which requires a lot of effort to look past just the fights.
@@John-ii6heShe's mentioned LISA over on her Tumblr and that alone terrifies me if she ever sets her eyes on those games. She'd make the Buzzo, Lisa and Buddy discourse post-Joyful *even worse* than it already is.
Ralts is so terrible as starter, because it's literally just a Magikarp situation Lily with Ralts: Game too hard :( Lily with Gardevoir: Game too easy :(
>makes a retrospective around the entire pokemon series with the idea she wants to do a critical take with the removal of nostalgia >shit talks all pokemon gens >is very clearly nostalgic for gen 3, doesn't shit talk it as much what was she thinking
@@troytheboy1985gen 3 is probably the best generation design wise now Pokemon on the other hand I'll just say that a lot of the weak megas are just gen 3 Pokemon
@@ioletsgo7539 it’s not even a good retrospect from the point of retrospect. Retrospects ask that in addition to engaging with the medium while also researching the stuff around it, she’s just playing the game once and making judgements off that one experience. A more fitting descriptions for what she did is like JaidenAninations’ playthrough of Pokemon Rangers or Digimon where she played it and had thoughts on the game, but apparently doing it that way isn’t as _intellectual_
@@troytheboy1985 gen 3 is cool: buut it does need a proper glow up. Oras almost hit the mark for me. Fun lil story, I got my GBA at a yard sale. It was for 25 cents. Isn't that insane! Now the justification was the mother who sold it said her son left it there and she had no clue if it worked and it had no games with it, so she wasn't going to charge much for it. I spent more on the charger lmao. But my first game for it was pokemon ruby, not my first pokemon game, but the first i bought my self with earned cash. I got others for holiday gifts/birthdays, in which im thankful for to this day because i hold them dear to me. But despite liking so much of gen 3, oras just didn't hit the full. There was just some more to be desired. I guess it would be a REIMAGINATION of gen 3 over being revamped, but sometimes, these games deserve that chance of being reimagined.
What does Lily even like in these games? She doesn’t like challenging battles. She doesn’t like engaging in anything beyond a few lines of dialogue. She doesn’t like nuanced world-building. She doesn’t like trying to build a team of interesting creatures. She doesn’t like exploring interesting locales. She doesn’t like engaging against evil teams to save the world. What she seems to like is getting her favorite Pokémon as early as possible, then using it to cheese bosses while complaining when they don’t fall beneath her, then saying other Pokétubers aren’t as knowledgeable as she is. And picturing herself getting with Gardevoir and Blue and Red having a gay relationship, I guess.
lily's utter contempt for lavender town's "creepypastas written by CHILDREN" and people complaining about the game being "too hard!!!" is SO funny when later she's ... struggling to win at said CHILDREN's game, and complaining it's too hard
@@undercookedtoast1479 b-b-but gardevoir is the best pokemon ever!! and, and, sting moves bad!! or whatever lmao. her review of the games isn't even a review of the games because she isn't playing them, she's trying to recreate her fantasy of meeting and raising her pokemon team. which is fine but how effective her pokemon are at said game and how easy it is for her to ignore the story to do that are not actually measures of the game's quality.
Lily reading Blue as a "friendly rival" from the start and misinterpreting his snide remarks as playful ribbing actually erases his character growth. In Sun and Moon, Blue and Red are friends. REAL friends. Blue's matured and moved past his childish, petty squabbling. If Blue's remarks were truly in good faith, then why did he stop doing it in SM? If it's just playful jabs with no malicious intent, and Red wasn't bothered by it, then why did he lighten up on it? Shouldn't he have leaned into it more and had it be an inside joke between them? Saying Blue was always Red's friend makes their friendship and Blue's maturity in SM so much less meaningful.
Like Blue isn't a friendly rival at all lol he could be seen as a "friend" or I guess a friend in development. Like geez I don't know what this lady was on
Lily has difficulty actually accepting character growth, especially within the general space of redemption. Rather than admiring Blue's growth, it's seemingly easier for her to water down his bullying so she doesn't have to hold a complex opinion about him and how he's changed
@@teacupkoala175 I doubt she even knows about Blue's character growth, as the majority of it is confined to Gen 2's postgame (which she didn't play) and Sun and Moon's postgame (even if it's just a small bit).
Literally the only reason why Blue lets you pick your starter first in RB is so he can in turn pick the one that's super effective against it, he even implies as much when you talk to him before picking your starter. In Yellow on the other hand, there was no type advantage to be had, so he just steals the Eevee Oak caught for you without a care. That's the kind of prick Blue is, he only cares about getting the advantage over you in whatever way possible and is humbled at the end of the game. He's not as harsh as Silver, but denying his mean streak is outright delusional.
I was like 11 when I played Pokemon Red for the first time and immediately thought "wow this dude is an asshole" It's PATENTLY obvious that the character is written in such a deliberate way and her inability to recognize that says a lot. Hell, even the Pokemon anime wrote him as a complete prick.
this is a small point but the reason that Wally has a gallade instead of a gardevoir in ORAS is because Diantha, the champion of the previous game, has a mega gardevoir. Megas were the generation defining gimmick of gen 6; they wouldn't give two different characters the exact same boss pokemon if they had one they thought worked better. Which is why the movie star has the mage knight in a ball gown, while the sickly little boy learning to be strong on his own has a Paladin with a cape and blade arms. Lily really is the most frustrating woman alive who doesn't allow herself to think about anything for more than 20 seconds
You know I always personally hated that Wally had a Gallade instead because I generally prefers it when Pokemon plays with gender, but I never saw it this way. I'm still grumpy about it, but at least it makes sense to me
I didn't even consider the crossover of mega! But yeah man, obviously Gallade fits Wally more than Gardevoir, it wasn't like Gardevoir was actually Wally's favorite dogfighting animal, it was his fuckin PAL that GREW ALONGSIDE HIM and matured properly WITH HIM
@@frigometri257 Gen 9 gave the Ralts family the decently powerful Iron Valiant paradox variant and gave Gallade the pretty good Sharpness + Sacred Sword combo. It was nice of them to not leave them in the dust.
My absolute favorite part of the video is how she hacks in ralts to "make the game more fun for her" but proceeds to lose way more than she would've by just playing normally. She literally just could've played pokemon like everyone else, picking a normal starter and building a real team, and had more fun. The thing is that she doesn't really want to have fun. She's lazy. She sees absolutely no development in her abilities even after 9 games. She continues to use the same tired strategy of brute-forcing her way through every fight, dying over and over again before she can finally get her lovely, precious gardevoir. She simply refuses to understand how the game works. Clearly Lily does not want to play the game, which raises the question as to why she would waste at least weeks, if not months, playing games from a series she demonstrates little to no love for. Views and money are great, she no doubt assumed it would bang because its so contradictory and her arguments all nearly all faulty. The hilarious part is that the original video didn't go viral. It doesn't even have half a million views. The only thing that's really going to bring it true traction is this response-3/4 of a year after the initial video came out. It's not a retrospective either, it's merely a 6 1/2 hour playthrough of the Pokémon games with a weird, loose underlying storyline of her wanting to fuck gardevoir. She hilariously praises simplicity yet ridicules complexity, failing to realize that to make a complex character you really need the character to show their different sides to the player or audience tons of times. A more in depth character is going to demand more screen time and more dialogue to form that roundness. Lily's video is completely lazy and misinformed. Even some of her reasonable opinions she cities evidence that doesn't add up to that opinion. Insane that she made 6.5 hours of pure rage bait.
Also super condescending on the critics, treating her personal opinion as the experience everyone has with the games and getting angry at everyone who disagrees with her.
@@Pi-eipp You see those seemingly random Gardevoir drawings that pop up? The ones that are often with a cartoon version of Lily? Those are from PokeMadhouse, a webcomic Lily made about her and her Gardevoir G, who is labelled as like a sister to the Lily character. They fuck and have a half-human, half-pokemon abomination baby. Lily has used said baby as a sort of mascot in some of her videos. WE ARE PAST SIMPING.
honestly as a person that fully supports using cheats and mods in solo games for fun... but cheating while trying to make "retrospective" is ridiculous like isn't the whole point of it is to show and talk about games as they originally are?
That implies people haven’t been cheating and hacking in Pokemon since day 1, which is clearly false. Everyone was multiplying their master balls with the good ol Save trick, powering down at the right moment. Y’all are very strange
@@lunaitor-uq9hz there isnt, everyone knows only gardevoir can learn calm mind, psychic, or thunderbolt. These are all their exclusive moves. Also gardevoir is a tank frfr, i swear u cannot kill it
I've done that with a Mawile in a key item random for Stephen lmao, she's not special. ....yes I had to fight tooth and nail to make it work, but it did.
honestly her treatment of Gardevoir feels like how a terminally-online owner talks to their cat, speaking as a new cat owner dating a longtime cat owner, but it all sounds 5000 times worse from her because it's Lily.
like i found the XY skit where she argues with Garde about the Mega Stone to be the spitting image of telling our cat "you stupid rat queen i just fed you" and it was p endearing
I dont usually come out of my hermit cave to leave comments. But the way Lily tries so desperately to be as counter-culture and 'different' is honestly exhausting. For a 30 year old woman she very much sounds like ME in elementary school. "Oh? My favorite Pokémon is ACTUALLY the undisputed best option." 🙄
Someone wants to act like an entitled twat, it seems.She even said that Blue is not a bully because he acts pretty similar to how she does (she couldn't be a bully, nooo).
"And not only is it the best one, it's a Pokemon that most other people do not use or think is good. But they just don't know its real power that I was able to figure out through the most clever of strategies." ...... "Wait, how did you one-shot me with that Bisharp? You didn't even let me use calm mind once."
It’s astounding how Lily can say it’s a retrospective when she chooses to purposefully skip the plot, ignore areas and side content she doesn’t like, and of course hack the games which does in fact change the core experience, among other things
Hacking a ralts in every game as your starter I feel takes away the feel of going to a new region. She complains about Gamefreak shoehorning Charizard everywhere, but Lily is hacking just so she can play with the same Pokémon at the start 5 times. It baffles me even in gen 8 Hatterene exists but never tried to see how it compares to Gardevoir.
She victim blames every abuse victim in the shows she watches. The two biggest examples that come to mind are Lapis Lazuli from Steven Universe and Hunter from Owl House.
@@unknownbyself I mean, Asterion makes a little more sense to hate. I like him well enough, but he is also blatantly evil and vindictive unless you put a lot of work into convincing him not to be. I know his history and the fucked up stuff he went through, but hating him is a bit more understandable than Hunter or even Lapis. Like Hunter does basically nothing and spends most of the time we know him just traumatized, and Lapis really only takes her anger out on the people who actively abused her.
>doesn't like battling >doesn't like exploring or special events >doesn't like forming a team >doesn't like needing to listen to a story, let alone engage with it It's funny how she showcases a brief snippet of Mystery Dungeon as an example of one of the prettiest 2d games on the DS, because with everything in mind she'd absolutely DESPISE it, maybe even more so than the main games because much of the appeal in those games is in fact the narratives they tell
"I've grown up with Pokemon" Gotta stop you there, Lily; you haven't grown up. I've never seen a more blatant case of arrested development in my life. This person consumes no media aimed at a primary demographic older than 10 and has less relevant and interesting critique of that media than the average 10 year old.
Yeah, when I was 11 I was ALSO super annoyed by all the trainer fights I had to slog my way through in order to "beat the game". Then as I got older I matured and realized there are different ways to enjoy the game, and also realized that being annoyed by trainer battles in a game that's entirely about pokemon trainers battling each other is kind of silly 😂
To be fair, I want her well enough away from shows like The Boys and Breaking Bad, movies like Alien and Shawshank Redemption, books like Where the Red Fern Grows and Of Mice and Men.
That's what's so bizarre about Lily. Like most of her critiques of Pokémon (and children shows) can be boiled down to "This media created for a target audience of children doesn't cater to my adult tastes, and I resent it for it. But I refuse to engage in media with a target audience of adults outside of the most popular schlock." Like something in her mind is BEGGING her to find media to satisfy her desires for something complex and adult, but she refuses to engage with it, because she wants to stay in her comfort zone.
@@hondaaccord1399 Honestly i ....kinda want to see a train wreck of restropective on The Boys or Breaking Bad. She can grasp the writing of a Children Video Games or a Kids show now imagine the disaster of her """"analyzing"""an adult series about complexe subjects!
"Good writer" when all she writes is coffee shop slice of life fanfics. I honestly dislike people who say they're 'writers' as a form of ethical appeal (ethos) in their media critiques when most of their writing is scripts for their critiques and if it IS story, it's most likely some poorly written fanfiction.
@@inky5574 That's so sad, some of my favorite stories of all time are publishing worthy fanfics, so I'm really tired of seeing people like Lily or EL James write shit(and have weird takes on abuse) and become the popular ones for it.
It's easy to come to the conclusion that Lusamine is just a crazy control freak, but if Lily bothered reading or exploring, she'd also see a woman driven to extremes by loss. Her goal is the protection of all Pokemon. Her husband went missing and she did whatever she could to try and get him back. She doesn't want to lose any more of her family, so she devolves into an abusive maniac, including her treatment of Pokemon, which drives her children further away, which drives Lusamine further down her spiral. The only way she can cope is by doubling down. Her obsession is all she has. To keep everything she holds dear safe, it has to be under her control. She doesn't have to like it, but Lusamine is more than just, "Women in power be crazy amirite?"
I think the idea that Lusamine is like this because of loss she experienced does kind of further the "women in power be crazy" as one of the most common attacks on women in positions of power is how "they're too emotional to make good decisions" (despite men frequently being angrier than women and making decisions based on that but whatever).
@@anexistingperson8540 Fair enough. I guess she could just want control because she sees it as a logical necessity, that everything dies and the only way to keep it safe is power, but I have a feeling Lily'd make that about how Nintendo devs think women are self important bitches anyway. 🙃 Despite us having like, 3 villain teams that almost destroyed the planet because their leaders wanted to remake things or thought they could do society better at the helm.
@@MarzipanPie23 That would probably be less interesting from a character standpoint but I think a motive like that would make sense to come from the first female antagonist specifically as a commentary on how society tries to removes female agency.
Watching through this I had a revelation about who is the “main character” in these playthroughs that Lily does. It’s not her, the silent protagonist; it’s G, the Gardevoir. Lily lavishes praise and adoration to G from Gen 3 to Gen 9, so much so that she actively cheats and manipulates the game so G can be in it and be the main focus. Lily doesn’t care for the story of Pokémon and is most certainly disinterested from Gen 3 forward ONLY BECAUSE the story and character she wants to focus on is G and nothing else. All rivals and battles are just bumps and hazards on the road of G being the star of the story. And the reason why Lily doesn’t do aftergame activities or pursue Legendary Pokémon or shiny Pokémon is because they aren’t the focus of Lily’s attention. Her entire 6 and a half hour video is an extended “Gardevoir is the best character ever and everything else around it is worthless and unnecessary.” statement.
I have never seen anybody overvalue Gardevoir as much as Lily. It's okay to like this Pokemon but she acts as if Gardevoir is completly broken, ignoring all of its flaws. Like she complains that her Pokemon get oneshot and considers that cheap but that's just how glass canons like Gardevoir work. Being severly underleveled doesn't help either
As a certified aggron fan, I don’t cry and pretend like the game is broken every time he gets hit with fucking water pulse. People like orchard are so pathetic
@@TrueLawbringersame i love aggron which why always make sure ive got a flying type to handle fighting types rather then try and unsuccessfully buldoze through
As a Masquerain fan, I acknowledge A. I trade up super egg move'd lvl 1 Surskits from prev. Gens on repeat playthroughs and if possible a level 1 one with regular moves for a first playthrough, but I acknowledge that Masquerain is....*not great*. Granted Lvl 1 Hydro Pump Surskit is hilarious.
if she didnt make comments about having played the games before i would've thought this was her first playthrough after already committing herself to the idea that the plot and gameplay is bad. it reads as someone who is grasping for straws to find reasons to be mad
@@coatimundi69 It very much feels like she just played gen 3 as a kid and never played any of the others. I know she has, but it just feels like after finding out she could have caught those legendaries, instead of knocking them out, she just got mad, said they were dumb Pokemon anyway, and that she knocked them out on purpose, and then never played again.
Wow, calling people who see shinies as higher value than normal pokemon "pathetic sacks of shit." Honey, you have a lot of issues to work out, and I don't think any of them are intrinsically linked to what may or may not make pokemon games good..... This girl gotta chill.
Speaking as a non Pokémon fan… this is one of the worst game retrospective’s I have ever seen. Like Arceus what was this, complains about the story sucking and refusing to actually read what they say, complaining about game balancing and how it’s unfair yet hacking in her favourite Pokémon and using the same strategy with every fight, complaining how the main rival sucks and yet not engaging in their story HOW THE FUCK CAN SHE CALL THIS A RETROSPECTIVE WHEN SHE DOESNT BOTHER ENGAGING WITH ANY OF THE GAMES!? “I fail to see the logic here” - Dante
The worst parts about Lily Orchard videos is that she always goes on a rant that will never be brought up again. Like, she mentions something that she didn't like in one fight but it isn't related to the game mechanics or anything, she just wanted to say it for no reason. Literal bloat
Lily orchard video has the strange power to turn any franchise haters into sympathiser because of how unhinged and stupid analogy she pull out of her asses. I remembered back in my Steven universe hating hay days Lily orchard video managed to make me give Steven Universe a chance.
EXACTLY!!!! A proper "retrospective" of something should include every single part of whatever it is you're reviewing. That includes the things you may not like, but you can't pick and choose to ignore certain parts of these games and call that a "retrospective". Not to mention she's choosing to ignore some of the most important parts of these games, THE GODDAMN STORY. Also, seeing as you're a non Pokémon fan, coming from a Pokémon fan, I do appreciate your use of Arceus in place of God, well done lol.
Even in gen 7 both gladion and Lillie have signs of being abused/neglected by lusamine hence they both run away from home and Lillie just says they’re one dimensional and hitleresque. Considering what he did to his sister I’m not surprised at all
She made a whole comic about this exact thing with a Gardevoir being the abuser and her being the abused where she just forgives Gardevoir because it might die if she didn't. And she wants you to side with Gardevoir.
Why can't she engage with literally any piece of media from the angle of what value she personally derives from it but instead has to frame everything around how everyone else is appreciating that thing wrong except for her
It's the entitled and narcissistic attitude super common among the terminally online, particularly a lot of very vocal people who care too much about politics (from both sides but it's particularly prevalent on the Left). It's the dangerous combination of generalizing groups of people and their perspective and having an absolutist perspective where you can demonize and dehumanize groups of people. As much as the Left tries to pretend they don't do it that's literally how they treat the Right, and the Right obviously does that shit to the Left.
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 I already specified earlier in that it's the "very vocal people" who act like that on both sides. I figure that statement pretty much accomplishes what you want.
Because Lily wants to be special and different, and despite having, who knows, things that make her SPECIAL and DIFFERENT, she chooses to be a contrarian, like the cheap fast food of opinions
i'm stuck on how lily orchard just willfully misunderstands why n has a different team in each battle. like those aren't pokemon he's just catching for funsies and then releasing when they fail him. those are always pokemon that can be found in the surrounding area who are helping him out because he asked them to. those are his friends, and he's returned them to their natural habitat after he leaves the area. but since n is actually just junichi matsuda's rantsona i guess, he's just a guy who hates pokemon or whatever.
It's headscratching for sure. I wouldn't consider myself a pokemon superfan or anything, I only played through Black/White the one time, but at no point during the story did I *not* believe that N genuinely cared about the pokemon. Team Plasma were a bunch of hypocrites for sure, but N's flaw was pretty clearly "he doesn't realize that he's the one true believer in an organization of power-hungry opportunists".
@@ecyor0 It's not that he's the only one, but it's moreso that as Black 2/White 2 show, there's like...maybe 10% of the team that believed in it. The rest were fully onboard Ghetsis' plan
The idea that millions of children over the past 30 years were collectively bamboozled by game freak into thinking the Pokemon games are fun, worthwhile and interesting, instead of just accepting that...they just ARE that, is actually crazy. Like, popularity does not equal quality, but in order for Pokémon to stay as relevant as it is with the exact same formula it had in '96, surely there's SOMETHING there!
Despite the fact that Pokemon's popularity for the first two gens was the anime, even after that, the games were still popular compared to other games on the same system. Sure, the older fans disliked the newer games, but that's probably because they've never really interacted with anything outside of Pokemon (that's also my theory on why PMD is held up really high because it's usually someone's first serious game until Pokemon decided to pick up the pace. It's still a good game, but calling pmd 2 the best game ever might be pushing it) which is likely the reason why Lily hates the games with plot.
@@pmdmakesmecri2 You're sort of missing the forest for the trees here, in America I agree that the anime certainly mass popularized the concept of Pokemon, but the games had to sell well enough in Japan for an anime to be made in Japan and then both had to be popular enough in Japan (and the west for the games) to be worth localizing the anime. Basically, the games were always popular, and then the anime capitalized on the popularity and they bounced back and forth to get more money.
As a certified Pokemon hater, the idea of an rpg where you can collect and freely customize a team of incredibly marketable monsters is fucking genius and building the gameplay loop around that is also fucking genius. I cannot stand the gameplay, or the stories, or the world building because they have absolutely zero appeal to me, but there’s a reason this game just works no matter how you spin it, whether it’s the mainline games, mystery dungeon (the best Pokemon games and it’s not even close imo), or fuckin taking pictures.
@@pmdmakesmecri2 I don't know how old you are but I was in the core demographic age of Pokemon games when the first generation dropped and literally every kid at my school was either playing pokemon or couldn't get their parents to buy them a gameboy and just watched their friends play pokemon instead. The TCG was also huge, maybe even bigger than the games because the barrier to entry was just a few bucks for a starter box or some packs rather than entire handheld system. My school had to ban pokemon cards because everyone was binging them to school; and of course we kept doing it after the ban. I'm sure the anime boosted the popularity and visibility among the general population, but the games and TCG were an insane phenomenon among kids at the time.
Someone tell Lily that Gen 5 was the power creep generation and Kirlia's stats are worse than UNOWN's so no the damage formula didn't change, she just imported a weaker pokemon into a highly min-maxed environment
Fr, I played the way the developers intended and had my Psychic type be Munna/Musharna. Amazingly, my Pokemon withstood a lot of hits because its designed bulkier (and slapped an Eviolite on em before evolving), and hit em with Hypnosis before sicking my big fuckin Pig Man on em
I think the thing about this all is... Lily has valid opinions. She is allowed to not like grandiose story, she is allowed to like exploring the dungeons more than battling trainers, and she's allowed to think that locking pokemon behind post game is a waste (hell, I even agree with her on that since I feel like my team is usually "set" by the time I reach the elite 4). The problem is her tone throughout this video, she never phrases it as "I don't like this", no, its always "This is objectively bad, and people who like it are stupid". It comes off as so condescending and narcissistic, even when she says positive things about gen 6 it feels like she's telling everyone who preferred gen 5 that they're wrong and stupid again. She just makes herself so unlikable and contrarian, and I feel like its just to generate clicks.
It's just one bit in a sea of crappy comments, but "kids were inspired by Lavender Town to create ghost stories, therefore it is bad and anyone who enjoys it is bad" snipe felt particularly petty. God forbid kids have fun... and evocative locations that beget creativity are just so terrible... Also it is genuinely interesting and sad that Lavender Town has replaced Pokemon Tower with a radio station in GS, but I doubt that she would notice something like that.
Hearing her rant about N and her videos about how Hunter from the Owl House sucks as a character(which is not true), I don’t know, I’m sensing a pattern that she really has no empathy for abused characters…..for obvious reasons
@@alibrennan5977 she's contrarian for the sake of being contrarian ig, i remember her gushing over Wyll, who is a less popular romanceable option, and don't get me wrong he's great, but he gets overshadowed by another character in the final of his personal quest, how is that good writing 😭
Lily claims to like Pokemon but I'm pretty sure the only thing she likes about the franchise are the actual Pokemon. Not the games, not the plot, not the writing, not the characters, not the gameplay. She likes gen 3 because Gardevoir is in it. Her understanding of Pokemon is limited to that of a child discovering the series for the first time, and proceeding to act as if she knows everything about it. Lily is not a fan of the Pokemon franchise. She is a fan of a couple of the Pokemon and those Pokemon alone... and walking, apparently.
Probably because walking and looking around is pretty much the most non-pokemon part of pokemon, because its such a universal feature because of course it is its *walking*
Lily is the classic "Kanto starter is my personality" person on the internet. She latched onto one Pokemon as a kid, and then moved on to other things. The difference between Tate on Instagram and LilyOrchard is that Lily came back to the franchise with her stunted opinions
I think it's not even walking that she likes, I think she just wants to rush through the game and there is a limited amount of road so if you're walking through one, you're removing items in the Todo list. At least, that fits with her liking walking outside of city but disliking "dungeon" (sylph co, Pokemon tower, rocket underground)
Lily on Gary, the douche always trying to one up and hinder your progress. "Ah boys will be boys." Lily on Cheren, your canonical childhood best friend, "Ew why are you stalking me?"
@@keithflippers4429 oh right, sorry about that, it slipped my mind.What I meant to say was that Gary is the anime counterpart of blue which is why people refer to blue as Gary sometimes.
14:02 "Then again I have noticed that people on the internet today are extremely TOUCHY in regards to someone else seeming pompous. Internet dwellers treat arrogance like it's the single worst sin imaginable, and so I'm not surprised when a lot of people took it weirdly personally when Blue slags the player off" That really says everything about her attitude doesn't it? She can keep insulting people, call them lazy and mock them with dumb voices while screeching profanities, but hey it's only because people can't handle arrogance. What a great quality to have.
The funny thing is part of why people liked Blue in previous games wasnt him being a jerk but us essentially having the catharsis of giving him a big ole slap whenever he tries to be one. Blue irl would be an obnoxious moron that no one would like, in game it was fun to beat him down over and over. We aren't supposed to like his attitude, because being a pompous jerk was always seen as a bad thing, which i cant get why she somehow is unaware of that
@@naganut9718 I think the case is much simpler: people keep catching up to how shitty she is as a writer and a person and she is trying to stir up some attention by making a 7 hour Pokémon shitpost.
So Lily praises Lysandre as a villain but dunks of Lusamine because her motivation is vanity... Even though. Lysandre's was also literally vanity. He keeps saying how he wants the world to be beautiful and to stay beautiful. That's literal vanity. But no need to bring that up when you can just point and yell "sexism"
That and the fact Lusamine's motivation isn't even just vanity! She's looking for her husband! Granted the games kinda don't mention that point as clearly as they should, but there's more to her than just that one flat motive! It's why she "preserves" the things she loves.
Another point against the idea that Pokemon are being enslaved is the fact that there is literally a disobedience mechanic coded into every game that has Pokemon refusing to follow orders in battle because they dislike their trainer or consider their trainer inadequate, determined by the badge count of the player.
@@0cedced While thats true it still stands that Pokemon still have free will after being captured. I would argue its because you caught the pokemon they respect and trust you and a pokemon received in a trade does not.
It's not even that. There's a difference than just being bad at something and obstinately refusing to learn. Lily's the latter, anyone can learn Pokémon, it's a game for babies, but she just doesn't want to and pretends she's above it
When she said she'd change crits to not ignore stat changes I almost died laughing. Lily, they're crits, that's how games work. Imagine rolling a nat 20 in DnD and then doing the damage you would have done if you'd rolled any lower.
The argument she makes about Gardevoir being busted is hilarious because she said the exact opposite of Alakazam and Mewtwo for the same reasons. "Just use physical moves." Can be said to counter Gardevoir, too. "Reflect and Calm Mind on Gardevoir is busted." Can also be said for Alakazam, who learns them too. Alakazam is even faster, has higher SPAtk and can learn Recover. Dont even get me started on Mewtwo. She just doesn't hold Alakazam in as much regard cause it isn't as fuckable.
"I don't think Blue is a mean rival." Of course the narcissist wouldn't think Blue is a mean rival given how she treats others around her not too dissimilarity.
Someone in her blog once asked her why she liked arrogant characters like Captain Marvel or Silvanas. Her response was that arrogance isn’t a bad thing if the character is right about what they’re talking about. That’s Lilly for ya. She downplays negative personality traits and celebrates characters being assholes as long as they have a point. It’s why she acts this way. Problem is, Lilly has deluded herself into thinking she even had a point to begin with. And since she can’t admit that she’s wrong, she continues treating everyone as such. And in the rare case she does, well she’s just gaslight you into thinking she was just joking or something.
I ALMOST understand her Blue take, actually. I do think he's kind of treated as worse than he is by the fandom, as they are obsessed with flanderizing characters. He's over the top and very unserious, not Satan incarnate, and at the end of the day he IS just a child! But he's also an ARROGANT child. He's also an asshole. Lily shouldn't ignore that. But that's alright, because he grows up into a better, more mature character.
I can tell you, as a certified Narcissist, even i don't like Blues atitude (but he is right about Pokemon and Streangh, i mean we can just ignore treating them with love then given the option)
Lily’s teambuilding is so strange. She wants to use her favorite Pokémon for the endgame (even if they’re weak) which is fine but she fails to properly build strategies or team synergies or anything. Her greatest achievement is literally just learning that +2 buff moves are great ways to sweep.
That's barely what I learned as a 7-year old kid picking up my sister's copy of Diamond halfway through her playthrough(she gave it to me and I couldn't figure out how to delete the file lol)
"These characters talk so much yet simultaneously say very little at the same time." She says, making a 6 hour long retrospective where she refuses to elaborate on any of her points and throws out nothing burger argument after nothing burger argument
Lily's perfect pokemon game would give you a level 100 gardevoir as your starter. You're rival would be a cocky ass who belittled you, you'd then just walk in a straight line for 8 hours, maybe across some pretty tilesets and then you'd beat your rival again and become champion.
Nono, if you give out gardevoir to the player you'll would be insulting everyone who doesn't like gardevoir. So every pokémon should be able to be your starter and every pokémon should be accesible from the beggining. no rare encounters allowed
Okay so actually I must say that’s how one fan game that’s super fun starts (the every pokemon is your starter part) called Pokemon Spork, you can pick any pokemon as your starter but the game is definitely not a Kaizo type game so maybe we should let Lily play that and that alone
Hi! I’m an on-and-off VGC player, and the interaction between Cynthia’s Garchomp and Lily’s Gardevoir set off so many red flags that I had to do the math. Garchomp has almost perfect IVs and I have reason to believe that it is also EV trained. So I’m going to assume that Garchomp has max attack for convenience (odds are it won’t matter anyhow). G at Level 56 has 164 hp so I’ll assume the HP stat has 31 IVs and 32EVs, also for convenience. Garchomp dealt approximately 39% damage with Dragon Rush, which isn’t possible even with max defensive stats for Gardevoir. So it’s safe to assume that Reflect or a +1 defensive boost was set up for Gardevoir while also having the literal max EVs and IVs for defense, which I firmly believe she didn’t train for legitimately. Or she has multiple defense boosts or attack drops on Garchomp, which is impossible for Gardevoir to realistically achieve on its own in Gen 4. Now, regarding how powerful a Psychic from Gardevoir would be against Cynthia’s Garchomp. Even with max special attack investment, including a Modest nature, Gardevoir does at most 49.3% to Garchomp. So Lily would need at least one Calm Mind to 2-shot. Realistically though, Gardevoir doesn’t have max Special Attack because it is literally impossible if we assume max defense with neutral nature and 31IV 32EV for HP. G can only have at most 224EVs in all of it’s remaining stats. So TLDR, without multiple boosts set up prior to Garchomp being sent out (or cheating, which is equally likely) Gardevoir has next to no chance of beating Garchomp on its own. It would have to rely on healing items and/or luck to win the 1v1. If anyone has any information regarding the exact Evs anc IVs of both pokemon, please let me know. I will try my best to correct any mistakes I may have made in my calculations. Edit 1: Yeah I didn’t go far enough in the vid lmao. If we assume max special attack and only 31IVs and 0EVs for Garchomp’s special defense, G would need at least 3 Calm Minds to 1-shot Garchomp. Given that Roserade (which she chose to set up on for some reason) could’ve easily set up a Toxic on Gardevoir, it’s safe to assume that at least 1 Full Restore was used to keep G alive.
@@donttakemeseriously8071 Oh it was, but even now I’m still not sure if Lily knows how to mess with IVs when changing the rom and I was using max IVs for the Gardevoir to put it at it’s theoretical best. I wouldn’t be surprised if she needed another defense boost or something along those lines because G’s stats are trash.
People like you are so amazing at pokemon you can name this off rip like this. but lily couldn't even guess after multiple tries that scyther was flying as she was using a ground attack after just playing gen 1. This isnt the only hilariously dumb thing she's done or will do. I'd better say she hacked in max stats because she refuses to grind in any way given in her gen 2 battles for half the game that she did play she was like 6-10 levels consistently lower than the gyms. Now how poorly do you have to understand the series to refuse to grind? Given she did no research and actively hates all comp aspects of pokemon and refuses to believe her way isnt the only way. There's absolutely no way she even knows what IVs and EVs are.
hah, thats what i was thinking. no way she pays any mind to IVs and EVs when she already said she's not interested in competitive play. especially before gen6 when EV training was less convenient.
