"we should foreshadow Don's true identity" "With the narrative device we created specifically to justify showing these things to the reader?" "No, some Mexican caricatures clock her because she dances bad"
Don was really about to activate her Bankai over her dancing being dissed. "You pathetic fucking mortals dare insult my Dance skills? You weren't even around when dancing was proper art!" - Blood Don, probably
@@fohz0710 Perception is more "I heard you" or "I saw you" in dnd terms, while Sense Motive, at least in 3.5 rules, detects lies, detects hidden cues, gives some insight on what a character is thinking or hiding, for example. This guy does seem to have some skill in reading emotions, but on top of that, rolling a 20 means he senses that Don's entire manner is a fascade, and Don gets a grim reminder of that fact as well, from what he said next. However, his nat 20 didn't quite let him see what's BEHIND the fascade...
@@slh8505 Since the Kindred seem at least partially inspired by VtM, it feels more fitting to do WoD rules, in which that would most likely be a Perception+Subterfuge roll, since Perception applies broadly to determining secrets and Subterfuge is used to determine if and why somebody is lying.
@@longphan7656 tier list andy has arrived. Also this is talking about lore, gameplay has no bearing on anything. R Corp is a Star of The City level threat and they're apparently the same rarity as Ryoshu basically being a rando cannibal chef in a backstreet that's already famous for having cannibal chefs? Also yes, Shi Ishmael is insanely good for Railway. You just need to get her hp to half and she can replace other DPSes if you don't have them. Please use your own brain.
Coming back to this comment I think the reason we all missed this is because we just wrote it off as a haha funny moment and for a lot of us this was our first project moon game. Another comment under this video pointed out that Don acts the way she does as a means of cope. A lot like Erza from Distortion Detective and a certain grade 9 fixer with his phrase “this is this and that is that”.
I’m surprised people “missed” it rather than just not finding it as something significant enough to comment upon. I mean, it only leads into the idea of Don’s hidden depths and that she has a facade on. I at least didn’t find that as some particularly deep revelation, it was just some character development.
Well considering how Don's literary source is quite literally the adventure of "Don Quixote of La Mancha", well yes! That novel ends with Don Quixote finally renouncing this name and using his real name Alonso Quixano after realizing the foolishness of his dream. It's also a parody comedy where Don Quixote basically acts as a force of chaos to the lives of everyone involved much like Limbus' Don. And Limbus company is basically a retelling/reinterpretation of the different novels the Sinners are based upon... Knowing the plot of the source novels really helps in guessing the story of each character.
I saw a theory some time ago that the "Don Quixote" that we see in limbus company isn't the real Don Quixote but rather, Sancho. The fact that in the source Don Quixote isn't his real name anyways and the fact that the Don we know has this secret, deep voice might indicate that this theory might acctually be right.
on god bro, a thousand woes upon thee, I didnt just read three fourths of a 1700 pages book just to casually get the biggest spoiler on a random limbus post
If we take a look at the overall theme of the story, about the foolhardiness of ignoring reality and it's complexities, that put it above any form of fiction, I always assumed Don's whole deal would move along the same path. The city is already really f*cked up, so I can see Don putting on this hero act as both a genuine attempt to reach the Sueño Imposible (impossible dream) of becoming a true hero of justice, and as a shield to protect her psyche from the reality of the world she lives in. Her obsession with fixers could be tied to hey back story in the sense that she might've been saved by some in the past. Considering the fact that they're the closest thing to a hero in the city (and even then they're pretty far off.) Looking at her other IDs we see with her Shi section one that she is very competent, but the duty of being a director is very draining on her since she has to deal directly with the reality she tries so hard to ignore in base reality. I'm honestly pretty excited to see how she'll develop once we reach her canto, however long that'll take.
@@armagedom110games2 If you want some theories about Don Quixote, I will give you some that I came up with and noted down: -Might have a past that she wants to deeply hide in her heart, most likely a regret of her action. -Uses her energetic personality as a cope mechanism to try to not be the sinner she is, as referenced by the sign in her EGO that has all Sins colors in order that says "Mountains are Mountains, Waters are Waters", which could be referencing that "Sin is a Sin", and this is a saying: “Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.” ― Dōgen -Her chapter is very likely to be about her fighting against her past and having to accept who she really is and what she has done. -The leather in her boots might have been from the actual Rocinante, which is referred as a horse skeleton in her La Sangre de Sancho EGO. -Her weapon in her EGO could have been tailored with the blood of Sancho. -She might have been part of a syndicate in the past, when she had colleagues to assist her. -Might have accepted to work to the LCB with the terms that they help her resolve her past or help her cope with it somehow with the Golden Bough. Memory wipe is a possible offer. And yes, the proverb "Mountains are mountains and waters are waters" as explained by the form of Zen, can also refer to how the original Don Quixote was once himself, then not himself (From Afonso Quixano to Don Quixote), to finally be himself again
it seems like there's so many people missed this part in their first sight that's alright but have you guys ever noticed that ferris wheel on LCB Don's splash art background it's not a ferris wheel. it's a windmill. a goddamn windmill.
@@greasy_breads Its because she is based on the actual Don Quixote. In the book ( yes I did read it ), he attacks windmills, thinking they are giants. It probably doesn't have any significance to the story of the game itself - just a nod to the original "Don Quixote de la Mancha" story.
@@aname6794 tbh if PM finds a way to make the windmill lore-significant, I wouldn't be too surprised. But damnnn, never noticed that before! That's pretty cool.
@@stephaniejanong4146 Don Quixote is basically a schizophrenic and everyone plays into it because it's funny. It is a funny story indeed, but once you really think about it, it's rather tragic, especially since Quixote dies at the very end, shortly after regaining his lucidity. It may be that Limbus Don is actually his squire, Sancho. We gotta see how PJ works this out.
@@aname6794 I have a feeling that PM might write the windmills being giants as an abnormality that might have been the cause of Sancho's death, if that is the case and Don in a way of coping the death of their Knightly Master, wore a "mask" similar to that of their late superior to hide the amount of trauma and sadness, a warrior of justice with motivation and perseverance to even make fanatics think of their own zealousness. I'm thinking that the Windmill on Don's Art might be a special type of abno, not a giant, but something far, far more sinister.
Its the little scenes like this that you don't realize the writers were giving you huge hints about the sinners. The assessment from the Mexican dancers was hinting us that Don Quixote was just a manufactured personality.
@@miskakusriyadi1706I thought it was a coping mechanism or form of denial, until watching this video i had no idea Don might have been intentionally been playing a character of her own volition. I'm super keen for her canto
admittedly, her intro description describes her as being "deeply immersed in the role of a righteous Fixer, hence the exaggerated mannerisms akin to those of an actor." They were telling us "Don Quixote" was an actress' role from the beginning.
Definitely a cope. The original Don Quixote broke his brain idling away reading novels and adopted his larger-than-life knight persona to fill the void in his purposeless wasted life. I wonder how close to the book Limbus will play her story, though...
I noticed it the first time I was in that chapter and now I fear Don's backstory. DEEP VOICE DON IS NOT REAL DEEP VOICE DON IS NOT REAL DEEP VOICE DON IS NOT REAL DEEP VOICE IS NOT REAL.
Seeing this after what happened on that warp train. Hits different. This facade has had cracks in it from day two. Now we're about to shatter it like a brick through a plate glass window.
Based on the story, she willingly deludes herself into believing fantasies to escape from the harshness of the real world. I suspect she’s way more smart and competent than most believe her to. I guess we’ll have to wait till canto 7 to see. Edit (a lot more context to this theory):… she also seems to be more like Sancho than Don Quixote. I take it she is either modeling herself to be like the real Don or she is somehow bound to take over the persona. Based on her Base EGO artwork, my guess is she either experienced something horrible and so she adopted a superhero persona named Don Quixote… or she sees the world as lawless and no sense of direction or purpose, so she gave herself a purpose by living a delusional empty fantasy. This interaction makes it seem like she takes offense to the mariachi saying “anyone who does anything without a pure heart is a phony.” And she takes it personally. It should be noted that the original Korean translation says something along the lines of “not being sincere to yourself makes you a phony.” This is a bit of a stretch but I wouldn’t be surprised if Don Quixote isn’t even her real name. She fits the persona of Sancho much more. It fits the naming of her Ego too. (Based on the horse skeleton. It seems to signify something beautiful and majestic that been stripped of what makes it beautiful. An empty carcass of something supposed to be fantastical and complete, or an incomplete imitation.)
The theories I have about Don Quixote that I have noted down here it is: -Might have a past that she wants to deeply hide in her heart, most likely a regret of her action. -Uses her energetic personality as a cope mechanism to try to not be the sinner she is, as referenced by the sign in her EGO that has all Sins colors in order that says "Mountains are Mountains, Waters are Waters", which could be referencing that "Sinner is a Sinner" with her glancing into a false happiness and negating that fact by pretending that she isn't one, due this proverb: “Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.” ― Dōgen -Her chapter is very likely to be about her fighting against her past and having to accept who she really is and what she has done. -The leather in her boots might have been from the actual Rocinante, which is referenced to as a horse skeleton in her personal EGO. -Her weapon in her EGO could have been tailored with the blood of Sancho. -She might have been part of a syndicate in the past, when she had colleagues to assist her. -Might have accepted to work to the LCB with the terms that they help her resolve her past or help her cope with it somehow with the Golden Bough. Memory wipe is a possible offer. Her not being herself as a cope mechanism, trying to deny who she truly is, trying to deny her Sin and that she is a Sinner, only to later accept that she is truly a Sinner no matter what is something that has lot of evidence and hints. Her trying to be a perfect hero in a world where she is a Sinner is also proven to be an "Impossible dream" as it is named on her lance. Update: With the new cutscene, we came to learn that their personal EGO pages are actually their rooms on the bus, this reinforces a theory that I had early but didn't had much relevence due me thinking it doesn't add anything to her past that is of the paintings on her room are given by the sinners to her (with the exception being the carrousel one)
@@meatballsyrup2747 Cell window? You mean the painting with the carrousel? It likely portrays her dark past and her trying to ignore it. I don't think what happened in the past is literally what is portrayed there
@@meatballsyrup2747 And that's what I am talking about, it likely represents her dark past, and her playing with the toys while this is there is portraying her trying to pretend it does not exist. It is very unlikely to it be literally what happened, because it looks too much like what N corp does and she didn't react to them at all
Fun fact, details suggest that Don isn't actually based on the novel but rather a play, I can't remember the details but you guys should look it up, really interesting video
They either fall deeper into the cope, or they are dragged back to reality in such a brutal way... Tragic, our knight never gets the chance to truly be a Hero.
End of Canto 7 be like: Dante: Don Quixote... your dance is beautiful... Don: Is it insincere? Dante could only stay in silence. It is the worst dance he has ever seen in his short life. But it was the most heartfelt dance he had ever seen.
I think it's just for comedic value tho? It's like she wants to tell them that she is indeed sincerely hurt, and puts her whole being into being "serious" here.
It can be both. The Mariachis managed to assess Sinclair’s inner turmoil from his dance alone, but that scene was simultaneously played for laughs too. Don turning all serious here can be indicating that she’s genuinely offended by the Mariachis accusing her of being soulless (which, again, can be both a joke & a genuinely insightful assessment of her psyche)
I feel like she took that at least half-serious. She normally doesn't act like this anyways, genuinely getting serious instead of throwing a tantrum or starting a childish fight
@@RussianCollapse that time she beat up sinclair as he was losing it, instead of impaling him as part of her antics she held back, which was surprising
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