LION EL'JONSON VS KONRAD CURZE 

Peter Chambers edgelord vs edgelord.

@vulpes pledgelord vs edgelord

@Jalen Chris you lot are a plague

@@VandalAudi this ain't no corvus vs conrad

@@takebacktheholyland9306 Corvus is way less edgy than Conrad lol just compare their first meetings of the emperor

Corswain, most underrated astartes?

True, Corswain was a very capable Astartes. The Lion did not leave him in command of a significant portion of the Legion for nothing. He probably misses out as the Dark Angels have two major stories lines (The Lion and the events on Caliban) already occuring. If you look most of the books about the Dark Angels (a trend started in Angels of Darkness which is a 40k book) they swing between two major plot points.

​@@d8god He's Definitely up there with Sevatar, Kharn, Sigismund, Azkellon, Aeonid Thiel, Ahzek Ahriman, and Bjorn the Fell-handed. Hopefully FW graces us with an awesome Corswain miniature!

Matt Barnes Don't forget Garviel Loken, and Saul Tarvitz

@@user-xk9gw1gf8c he was called the hound of caliban. He doggedly pursued Typhon in the warp and typhon acknowledged his determination.

Terror weapons

@@mannysong1752 World Eaters were better at it ... entire worlds surrended if they heard that legion was being sent in a compliance action. Then they got Angron. With the Night Lords you still had a good chance to get flayed even if you accepted compliance.

Curze, as programmed, is the 40k equivalent of the devil. His whole function is to punish and to do so in a way to become a deterrent for others. The thing is that he can ONLY be used as weapon against a very specified target or group ( much like angrons world eaters) or else they won't know when to stop... The tragedy of Curze was that he percieved himself and of one use only (because of his precog habilities) as being designed to bring nothing but pain and despair others. In a world such as 40k, filled with corruption as it is, who SHOULDN'T he punish? Look at Sevatar in the Prince of crows short story: he IS the embodiment of Curze.

tibby dude So the Night Lords were like Ramsay Bolton then

@@cathalstein1725 Nah, Ramsay was always rotten to the core. The Night Lords became rotten because their source became poisoned by Curze leaving

Those are the words of my House if I ever attain nobility xD

Ph.D?

Fuck yeah

The Lion may not have been a charismatic man. But he was a man of unshakeable principles and belief in his father's cause. As much as Chaos might have wanted to, there was no way they would turn Lion El'Jonson to their cause, because there were never any doubts or vanity for them to prod and pry at. Loyalty is its own reward.

Chaos truly fears him

I think so too. He is the first too, perhaps the least altered, perhaps he was the generalist from which all the other specialists were made. What he would have been like had they all not been scatterwd we will never know.

Loyal?

and that Primarch is a pre-cog too. Lion is FAST.

I don't know who else here had combat training or fight experience, but Demski-Bowden clearly doesn't. Once the Lion Sword ran him through, Curze was done. He was not shooting past the en garde of the best duelist of the primarchs. It doesn't happen that way with experienced fighters. The fact that the Lion took Curze by surprise is further testament to the Lion's supremacy. The fight was terrible writing and nonsense. I don't mind the dialogue before, but the fight is nonsense.

While Curze has a punchers chance against the Lion, If El’Johnson keeps his head and fights his fight, Conrad will eventually tire and then the first primarch will have him. Much like Lucius of the Emperors children, eventually his superior skill will more than likely win out. (7 or 8 out of ten bouts)

It was a cheap shot... not to mention kurze had the fight won until the lion got a huge save.

@@tincano-beans2114 errrr no the author clearly said that was not the case.

And then proceed to fail to locate Konrad who is going about murdering dark angels on the lions own ship lol. Then he tries to kill Konrad by blowing a few of gulliman worlds and is surprised when gulliman is not happy. Lol

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion speaks the truth

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Yeah you can't beat Kurze in his own element, for he's a master murderer

@@_the_eversor_lad_ But the Lion did. He knowingly walked into Curze's trap, and the fight ended with the Lion breaking Curze's back over his knee. The Lion destroyed Curze "in his own element".

Funny coming from the Primarch's who's sons trust nobody, are half turned traitor, and beyond self-righteous

@@derpyboi8591 Just like how the Imperium degraded to a level that went against everything the Emperor ever wanted for humanity. It's all tragic irony. Still, LOYALTY IS ITS OWN REWARD!

​@@danielstephenaguilos9346 The emperor backstab his previous super soldiers and didn't want the superhuman to rule so some form of betrayal would have been done to the legions

Lmfaooooo. Best comment award goes to you my good sir

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This is a terrible lie though Both were completely touched by civilization, Conrad learned his fearmongering tactics from observing the gangs of Nostramo and Lion was adopted by an order of knights. Even Leman was adopted by the greatest Jarl in his planet

Abserd O I thought that was The Gorgon, Ferrus Manus.

@@RecoveringLoLAddict The Lion spent about a decade in the forest alone though. It is not a lie at all.

Hands down, totally agree. The Lion may have been the ultimate all-rounder "warrior" Primarch, but he was overwhelming uncharismatic, prideful, and really almost socially retarded when compared to someone like Guilliman. Curze being basically Batman-who-likes-killing-a-little-too-much was a huge loner as well. That being said I am a huge Lion fan and can't wait to see what he does when he wakes up.

Its interesting to note that they were the only primarchs that grew up alone. Ferrus doesn't count

@@danceswithgerbals1 Definitely agree on that front! Curze's own primarch drives for justice and fairness were twisted into punisher style vigilantism from the moment he landed on nostramo. Im a massive night lord fan, and its fascinating to see how Curze's ideals were poisoned by his legion. Listen to Guy Haley's "Konrad Curze- The night haunter". There is an awesome interaction between the Emperor and Curze in it!

I agree but at the same time i feel like the lion is the very essence of strategic warfare and duty made manifest. He eats sleeps and breaths warfare. Never the hero the imperium wanted but always the general it needs.

@@danceswithgerbals1 but seriously Lion did had one of the worst social skills but Curze is just insane

Konrad could explain ALOT of back-stories in today's American Congress and Executive Administration 😂

Every time you read into the books they come off like total douchebags lol Other legions should clearly wipe em out Would not be surprised at all if the "fallen" are the gud guys

@@jakefile6206 good guys normally dont have daemon princes among their ranks....

Finbar Brolly DA hate shaking random citizens? Doesn’t look so.

@@Tacoguy1000 Maybe not random citizens, but they have been questioned by many. The High Lords flat out refused to use any Dark Angels Gene-Seed during M33, they were heavily chastised for the massacres they performed on Minoria and the Black Templars never forgot that a lot of their brothers went "missing" after they found Cypher and the DA forced them to hand him over at gunpoint. So, while it isn't the common citizenry that distrusts them, they certainly have their fair share of detractors.

Close lol but I hear it now

Beloved Corswain deserves much more material released...

I never thought I'd hit 1 thousand subs let alone 6. I truly appreciate all the subs I get. Will try my best to improve the channel as best I can!

There's a reason they all want the Corona Nox so badly... 😉😉👌

Ya, also in one of the books (can't remember which one) is shows flashes of all the primarchs that fall to chaos. It doesn't list them by name, but describes them and one of them that didn't fall to Chaos even though the Chaos gods apparently tried. The one that didn't fall even though they tried is heavily hinted to be the Lion. They threw him at a tainted planet, filled with warp tainted creatures and instead of giving in he basically _purged_ the entire planet of chaos spawn, and somewhere along the way learned to hide himself from the warp. This is why the Lion was able to hunt down Curze in the belly of his flagship, in the dark, without Curze being able to really sense/see him. The Lion learned how to hide his soul from the warp before he even knew basic language. The Lion really is the Bane to Curze's Batman. Just in this story Bane wins - entirely. No comeback story for Batman.

Patrick Murphy I mean, that decision was more to make the triumvirate work than the blue bois being cowed

Thank you

THAT would have been a good fight.

PLS!

On one hand we have a fight between somewhat two demi-gods that could tremble even the most hardened of battlefields and their genesons fighting alongside them. The other one are just two humans of the same sex kissing and doing intercourse.

One: cool. more licking. licking more...aaaand licking again. cool.... The other: heart wrenching tragedies amidst a nuclear tsunami of violence. Easy choice.

If none of you choose the girl I weep for mankind

It'd probably be so fast your vision couldn't begin to follow it.

@@justinrivera1618 I'm a woman and I'd much rather watch primarchs beat the everloving shit out of each other. Preferably wearing only loincloths.

I'm English, you're English is good, more articulate then most of us too lol

Still lost.

It's a great rivalry!

@@wolflordrho loyalty is it's own reward, that line, that damn line is always the highest point for me in this rivalry

Fun and Party There are a few Primarchs who could have been warmaster and would have done an admirable job. most of them on the loyalist side. My short list would be In order Guilliman, Dorn, Johnson, Sanguinius. My reasoning, R&R had both ruled empires, there legions had their shit together ( no real internal conflicts)and they were generally open/honest in their dealings. Johnson, while their equal in strategy and leadship, his legion had issues that he really didn’t wish to deal with. this would bite him in the ass as warmaster.( how can you run a crusade when you cannot keep your own house in order?) Sanguinius is last, because first he didn’t want it, he really didn’t want it, a job that important shouldn’t be done when your heart is not in it. second, the red thirst, this is a distraction such a job can’t afford. All of these Primarchs are awesome. and the lines between then are razor close, but this would be my picks.

Spike .Strat13 Lion was not fit to be the Warmaster. He was an apex Predator, the all rounder war machine, unmatched battle tactician but still not diplomatic and visionary enough to be the Warmaster.

@@magnusthered5994 Heresy😂😂😂😂

The more fights we get the more I can do!

He would have been carved up like a turkey in a jet engine

To be fair The lion has never really had to face a crazy mf who can see the future try to murder him so I can see why he’d be a little thrown by the way Konrad fights. Konrad doesn’t really ever win through skill. He either scares the shit out of you or simply doesn’t let people guess his next move. Not to mention Konrad Is also noted to be unrealistically good at low blows. It’s not the best writing but I’ve seen worse

@@ianharrison5758, remember that it was the Lion's actions that were unforseen by Fateweaver, Curze, and the Autocathona. All 3 are top tier prognostic psykers. He overcame all 3.

Also his "know your enemy" philosophy. He studied the Nostromo language & insulted them in their tongue.

Mechanicus OST Children of the omnissiah

Jeremy Hess you are correct.

GW is based in the UK so it has a much larger fanbase there

The moment monarchia burnt was the turning point

Read the HH in order. Horus Rising is the first book.