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Lionel Messi vs Tottenham: Does this performance finally make him GOAT? | UEFA Champions League 

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Dan Thomas, Paul Mariner, Steve Nicol, Shaka Hislop and Stewart Robson of ESPN FC engage in a spirited debate in the wake of Lionel Messi's two-goal performance for Barcelona vs Tottenham in UEFA Champions League, over whether longtime holdout Hislop is finally ready to declare Messi the GOAT despite his lack of a World Cup title with Argentina.
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@dennismacquoij7734
@dennismacquoij7734 5 лет назад
so if a player scored 200 goals every season, wins CL, title, cup,... but was born in San marino for example, he still couldnt be the greatest ever? bullsh*t
@stivstilianos980
@stivstilianos980 5 лет назад
I see your point , but to be fair , Messi was born in one of the most historic football nations in the world.
@Mike-mc5ll
@Mike-mc5ll 5 лет назад
Historic is the keyword. Look at the squad now: just mediocre players.
@tonyllamas5555
@tonyllamas5555 5 лет назад
@@Mike-mc5ll apparently mediocre players must be really expensive because Argentina has the most expensive starting lineup with Di Maria Sergio Aguero dybala Higuain Mascherano Romero don't make excuses for a player that can carry a team with superstars
@Mike-mc5ll
@Mike-mc5ll 5 лет назад
What about midfield and defenders? Also, Romero didn't play at the last WC, instead Argentina had two really poor goalkeepers.
@tonyllamas5555
@tonyllamas5555 5 лет назад
@@Mike-mc5ll I just gave you two with masherano and di maria Than you have Marcos Rojo and icardi banega otamendi literally he has way more support than Portugal and ronaldo atleast won a euro
@optimusman88
@optimusman88 5 лет назад
shaka sweating buckets, hes running out of reasons to hate
@agamertagk544
@agamertagk544 5 лет назад
4:20 look at his body language lmao
@optimusman88
@optimusman88 5 лет назад
lol hes rattled
@djohn779
@djohn779 5 лет назад
The guy is a hater you can see the salt from here hahah
@simplycules2038
@simplycules2038 5 лет назад
He is a man with full of shit in his peanut size brain lol.
@shanetraynor7792
@shanetraynor7792 5 лет назад
@@agamertagk544 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
@nachuthekkil9369
@nachuthekkil9369 5 лет назад
Umtiti bettar than messi..umtiti win world cup😂😂😂😂
@Jerson10
@Jerson10 5 лет назад
Nachu Thekkil Giroud? 😂
@prayudinovem2110
@prayudinovem2110 4 года назад
@@Jerson10 Mustafi😐
@santhosh_1810_
@santhosh_1810_ 3 года назад
Shaka 😂
@nikhilkumarpghistory8035
@nikhilkumarpghistory8035 5 лет назад
Andre Gomes is better than Modric because modric never won a international trophy. Ok
@tootzytoot9668
@tootzytoot9668 5 лет назад
As black man, following football for the last 40 years. I watched almost all the major tournaments. Back in the 50s,60s and 70s football was a joke. No tactics, no chemistries, no yellow and red cards. And the scores were like 10-0,15-0 and sometimes 20-0. And that time Brazil was dominant, that's why Pele had accumulated 1225 goals. Nowadays, football becomes so strong and we don't those big scores. And today we see the players are bigger, stronger and faster than the players back then. Even the defenders of today are more technical and smarter than the players of back then. And with all these changes of today's football, still Messi outsmart these modern players. Simply the best!
@hellowalkman4506
@hellowalkman4506 5 лет назад
Tootzy Toot I find it hard to believe. I'm 99.999999% sure you're lying XD
@zakariadjouzi7570
@zakariadjouzi7570 5 лет назад
hello walkman it dosn't matter coz he's 100% spot on lmfao
@tootzytoot9668
@tootzytoot9668 5 лет назад
@@hellowalkman4506, give me a reason why I need to lie ? By the way, I'm a former football player, and I'm coaching football now. I can analyze and explain details about football.
@muhammadghazy8
@muhammadghazy8 5 лет назад
thank you!
@Tech4Vikas
@Tech4Vikas 5 лет назад
That's great I was searching for someone who has been following football for a long period of time. Do you mind to share your Twitter handle or FB username where I can have detailed conversation about the same? Much thanks and regards.
@kareemsc9913
@kareemsc9913 5 лет назад
This doesn’t make him the Goat. He’s been the greatest. The World Cup argument is dumb as hell.
@juandavidninokruh701
@juandavidninokruh701 5 лет назад
Totally agree with that. How come a tournament that's played every 4 years and allows a maximum of 7 games to a team be the measure of how good a player is?
@sebastanlof2137
@sebastanlof2137 5 лет назад
How?
@roastofcewebritiesbyme9601
@roastofcewebritiesbyme9601 5 лет назад
And, so many players have won world cup but you never hear about them, so if that is the mesure why are that players not a world best? I mean every single player that have won a world cup must be than "the best in history of futbool". This nigga is just a hater and he want to do interesting
@kareemsc9913
@kareemsc9913 5 лет назад
Juan David Niño Kruh exactly. Doesn’t make sense. I think it’s just people not wanting to call Messi better than Maradona or pele maybe?
@kareemsc9913
@kareemsc9913 5 лет назад
En Cirkovic lmao yea. It’s dumb. Imagine in 20 years from now some guy outscores Messi and wins more trophies and has more assists the Messi. But then he plays for Tunisia.
@yannickh2571
@yannickh2571 5 лет назад
messi had the chance to play for spain when he was a teenager he would have won many trophies, but he chose argentina, his home and gave his people much joy through a lot of tournaments and years he took his team to three finals, has better world cup stats than maradona and he is doing this for nine years yet this is more than maradona ever did and last: you should NOT judge a players quality by how many trophies he has won, but by the way he plays and his importance in the game of his team please see that messi is the best to ever do it there never was anyone who was able to do what he is doing and I very much doubt it that there ever will be anyone like him again
@jaanoboss
@jaanoboss 5 лет назад
Of course messi chose argentina he was born there he is a guy who respects his roots. And I have to disagree with the black dude and left dude Pele can't compare to Messi. Pele didn't have to face the level of players that Messi does and omfg do u all forget there was no offside when pele played
@tonyllamas5555
@tonyllamas5555 5 лет назад
He didn't carry Argentina to the final apparently scoring versus Iran Nigeria and another small country means you care to team to the final even though he didn't contribute to one assist or goal after that he couldn't even win a Copa America with his Superstar stack team we all know winning a euro is a lot harder than winning the Copa America so don't make excuses and don't overhype someone when all they do is choke when it matters Maradona has way better World Cup stats and his National side didn't contain a 9 world class super star team
@samfisher2306
@samfisher2306 5 лет назад
Yannick H if he'd played for Spain, he'd have had at least 2 WC wins imo. This is because Spain plays more like a team than most do
@tonyllamas5555
@tonyllamas5555 5 лет назад
@@samfisher2306 Spain has already won a world cup, even if Leo had joined they are still champion and imo ronaldo would of had atleast 2 International trophies with Argentina
@samfisher2306
@samfisher2306 5 лет назад
Tony Llamas I won't compare Messi and Ronaldo. Messi is way better. Sorry.
@lokeshshrestha4098
@lokeshshrestha4098 5 лет назад
This man is jealous of Messi
@aftabmohammedify
@aftabmohammedify 4 года назад
As a brazilian fan for life - Messi is simply the greatest footballer I have ever seen... I've seen Maradona, Zico, Bekenbauer, Cruyff and others... He is the best. The game of football has drastically changed since Pepe left the game.
@aftabmohammedify
@aftabmohammedify 4 года назад
@@yannickwillems1991 Not sure if he's a hater... But Shaka's argument just doesn't make any sense.
@jackding1681
@jackding1681 4 года назад
lokesh Shrestha,yes ,but he is not good enough to compare with Messi.
@ibrahimshahid3391
@ibrahimshahid3391 4 года назад
He has been a hater! And jealous
@leoforlife6571
@leoforlife6571 3 года назад
He is not just jealous.. He just doesn't know the art of football. Shaka is an idiot
@CHRISTCHURCHUNITEDFC
@CHRISTCHURCHUNITEDFC 5 лет назад
This guy is saying Messi isn't the GOAT because of Higuain. Being the GOAT is an individual honour not a team honour.
@Messifi10
@Messifi10 5 лет назад
I think he just saying in response to shaka. That if higuain scored we be having a different conversation. I think people are just quick to throw in the achievements world cup and are just either lazy or dont know football to see messi’s ability to say he is the best ever. For me messi is on par with maradona but what separates him for being the goat is that messi level of playing the game is consistent and not maradona pele best cryuff or even r9 ronaldo can say that.
@sneakerhead721
@sneakerhead721 5 лет назад
How do you become a goat without winning the highest prize in the Sport
@jftt42
@jftt42 5 лет назад
being the goat isn't an individual honor, it's a term made up by fanboys in order to hate each other and try to impose their preferences on others.
@flamingravenmc4058
@flamingravenmc4058 5 лет назад
@@sneakerhead721 Ronaldo can't be the goat
@Rnbsoccerstar7
@Rnbsoccerstar7 5 лет назад
jeff kennedy messis problem is HE SINGLEHANDLY WON (some) finals for barcelona for example 2015 at cops del rey final.... then ofcourse people except (after all the hype) that he can do HIS INDIVIDUAL DRIBBLING SKILLS FOR SOLOGOALS in a major final with his country! Why people dont get it? Its actually not about trophy, its about the WAY HE LOST ALL FINALS WITHOUT ANY IMPACT! btw: Higuain broke serie A record in 2016 without messis help... Why higuain cant be consistent with messi the called best playmaker? Many pro and contra arguments towards LM10 especially after blew away 4-1 ballon dor headstart
@youssefassem5263
@youssefassem5263 5 лет назад
Giroud has won the world cup is he the best ever xhaka
@TheJmsbrown
@TheJmsbrown 5 лет назад
At best a jester but probably just a fool...
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
Youssef Assem that’s a strawmans argument. Giroud is not an all time great. If you’ve been average your whole career it doesn’t matter if you win the World Cup. We are only talking about elite players winning the World Cup
@curtischarles5299
@curtischarles5299 5 лет назад
exactly. thats why this philosophy can never be right...so is mbappe the best player ever? because he won a world cup?
@JSGamingCentral
@JSGamingCentral 5 лет назад
Yes because he’s pure class 😂😂😂 xhakas logic 😂
@youssefassem5263
@youssefassem5263 5 лет назад
@@eldio2124 yes you are totally right my friend but I'm following xhaka argument this man is saying that Messi is the best club player ever and every honor or award that's been rewared to any player in the paste decade has been based on club football nobody cares anymore about the world cup who is the last player that has been rewarded for his efforts in a world cup canavaro in 2006 well I'm sorry playing amazingly every year is better than playing 8 games every 4 years and be the best ever
@INFINITYmusic80
@INFINITYmusic80 5 лет назад
This guy sounds like a 7 year old kid The team didnt win WC so Messi is not the Best lmao wtf!!??? You understand Footbal and you have eyes than you know Messi is the Best of all time
@baaLsecundus
@baaLsecundus 5 лет назад
You sound like a 7-year old. Your last sentence sounds exactly like that of a child. GOAT must be argued. you can't simply claim it because you feel like it without arguments...
@igorrajkovic290
@igorrajkovic290 5 лет назад
@@baaLsecundus wanna argue?
@baaLsecundus
@baaLsecundus 5 лет назад
Sure. What are we arguing about? Star Wars, climate change, the accomplishments of Ronaldo? :))
@igorrajkovic290
@igorrajkovic290 5 лет назад
@@baaLsecundus Obiovusly, about Messi being the greatest of all time.
@INFINITYmusic80
@INFINITYmusic80 5 лет назад
baaLsecundus Thats becuz you dont understand football thats why to you it sounds like a child And its funny why you talkin about c ronaldo He is not even in top 3
@cguerrini112
@cguerrini112 5 лет назад
So the difference between Messi being the goat and not being the goat are missed sitters from Higuain and Palacio? If either one makes it Argentina wins. What a dumb argument. He’s gonna end his career playing like 800 games and have 800 goals, win every other trophy imaginable, have every record imaginable, but those two missed sitters by his team mates define his career? Absurd
@tonisosic8803
@tonisosic8803 4 года назад
@Undoctrinated right especially when you consider he also said one of the most blasphemous things ever when he said that WC Football is higher quality than CL and top leagues in general which is idiocy
@thee0ryx939
@thee0ryx939 4 года назад
Christopher Guerrini brilliant comment 👍😉
@havertzthefuturegoat2518
@havertzthefuturegoat2518 4 года назад
Messi also missed a sitter
@aamir8676
@aamir8676 4 года назад
@@havertzthefuturegoat2518 So? If his teammates took their chances it wouldn't matter if Messi had missed. Disabled Higuain cant do a thing. It's not Messi's fault. I agree at times he kinda chokes but he is Argentina's and Barca's greatest and the world's greatest in my opinion
@havertzthefuturegoat2518
@havertzthefuturegoat2518 4 года назад
@@aamir8676 The GOAT shouldn't need to be saved by Higuain an "above - average" striker, he had a sitter to win the game, and a free kick to bring it to penalties. If he didn't have these chances then the Higuain argument would hold up, but he had the chances, he fucked up. You can't just pin it all on one guy, he lost and no one should feel as if he was robbed, he wasn't great in the final either. He is Barca's greatest but not Argentina's, Maradona did what he didn't with less.
@maruoodisho3254
@maruoodisho3254 5 лет назад
and andre gomes better then modric because he won euro and modric has no international trophys ?????????
@yourlordandsaviouryeesusbe2998
Gomes doesn't have 4 Champions League trophies, you idiot! Neither does he have a Ballon D'or.
@maruoodisho3254
@maruoodisho3254 5 лет назад
exactly so it does not make him better just because of a trohpy
@kvishnudev
@kvishnudev 5 лет назад
I knew he was good. We should have never send him on loan.
@teddy8504
@teddy8504 5 лет назад
Sorry, but Andre Gomes is trash. I don't think he got a goal for Barca yet.
@mrboy2917
@mrboy2917 5 лет назад
Ultimate ROBLOX He only got 3 official goals for Barca and 1 friendly goal. That’s about it haha.
@hungryandfoolish21
@hungryandfoolish21 5 лет назад
*I saw pele's and maradonas old footage and the defenders and midfielders.against them had no stratergy no pace* *Compare maradonas vs messi goal of the century* *The defenders against maradona were jogging and defenders* *against messi were chasing him like crazy!*
@eminecr7
@eminecr7 5 лет назад
the defenders against maradona were trying to break his legs.
@hazymoonman655
@hazymoonman655 5 лет назад
Maradona had so much space to do what he did tho. And it was against the best England had to offer. Messi against a mid table Getafe wasn't given the luxury Maradona was.
@beejj6190
@beejj6190 5 лет назад
Oh come on! It was THE most brilliant genius bit of movement plagiarism ever by Messi - he must have only dreamed of doing this in his sleep...lol.
@TripleBWow
@TripleBWow 5 лет назад
That is because the defenders against Maradona gave up, mean why try to stop a God? Messi is great but still a man after all, so his defenders at least tried to stop him...
@miguelarouca4150
@miguelarouca4150 5 лет назад
The Getafe players twenty years on were better athetes than the England players. Messi was more explosive than Maradona in the goal that he scored. And Getafe were at the time one of the top 5 teams in Spain.
@praneshdutta9174
@praneshdutta9174 5 лет назад
Roger Federer is GOAT and he didn't win Olympic gold.
@jaredscott3383
@jaredscott3383 5 лет назад
PRANESH DUTTA exactly
@idrisgroken2991
@idrisgroken2991 4 года назад
well no, olympics is several tiers below grand slams ahahaahaha, also not even part of atp tour
@idrisgroken2991
@idrisgroken2991 4 года назад
@Bane many. tiers. below.
@seamuspandit4016
@seamuspandit4016 3 года назад
he did for doubles though in 2008 so still has some form of olympic gold
@sathvikkumar3577
@sathvikkumar3577 3 года назад
@@seamuspandit4016 him and wawrinka
@jdelgado837
@jdelgado837 5 лет назад
Shaka: Messi is great and all... but i need a career as an annoying television guy. Got bill to pay you know
@CHRISTCHURCHUNITEDFC
@CHRISTCHURCHUNITEDFC 5 лет назад
Guys, let's be serious forget Messi, Ronaldo, Pelè, Maradona and Zidane. The true GOAT is Mustafi. I mean he's won the world cup so he must be the best.
@savino3109
@savino3109 5 лет назад
CUFC TV lol I see what u did there 😆
@NeonBornSpartan
@NeonBornSpartan 5 лет назад
Nah dawg, the other 10 players on Pele's team during his World Cup wins were the best. :v
@ojogbaneamedu2501
@ojogbaneamedu2501 5 лет назад
NeoSpartanHesperos9 except not a single one of those players won it 3 times.
@fili0938
@fili0938 5 лет назад
@@NeonBornSpartan Garrincha has a case
@debayandas3590
@debayandas3590 5 лет назад
Cufc tv we are talking about goat....and where the name Ronaldo came from??
@TheRafala10
@TheRafala10 5 лет назад
Shaka you are just being so stubborn, to a degree where it becomes childish. Everyone can have their opinions on different matters, but that World cup argument is extremly lame. With your logic, Pedro is the best in the world because he has literally won everything you can win as a footballer.
@whispercars306
@whispercars306 5 лет назад
The best players win the World Cup and perform highly at club level. They said in the video that Pele faced some challenges to win one of the 3 world cups he won with brazil during that era, and that Maradona carried Argentina to victory. So Messi currently is the best in the world, but not the all time greatest player in the world.
@arianmasumi6607
@arianmasumi6607 5 лет назад
@@whispercars306 So it's messi's fault that he took them to the final in 2014 and higuain missed golden chances? He did perform in 2014 wc
@whispercars306
@whispercars306 5 лет назад
Arian Masumi I saw the 1986 world cup final on youtube and Maradona scored & assisted in the Final as well as carrying the team to the final. I am pretty sure Pele also scored/ assisted in the finals having won 3 world cups. There's no doubt that currently and for the past decade Messi is the best in the world. But Pele and Maradona performed good in club level and in the World Cup at critical moments.
@mangshu21
@mangshu21 5 лет назад
Le adults acting like children
@jefforymerten9613
@jefforymerten9613 5 лет назад
@@whispercars306 - Maradona did not score in the '86 Final. Goals by Valdano, Brown, and Burruchaga. I was 17 yrs. old and watched the match. Maradona did make the final pass (assist) for the game winning goal to Burruchaga.
@909heartbreak8
@909heartbreak8 5 лет назад
Honestly, He has a point but still Messi is the greatest player of all Time, no one has played better than Messi. I am a Madrid and Ronaldo fan.
@PanosLP96
@PanosLP96 5 лет назад
Van Hellson He doesnt have a point. You dont have to win a World Cup to be the best. The World cup happens every 4 years , for 1 month.
@tonisosic8803
@tonisosic8803 5 лет назад
yeah he def doesnt have a point...you dont have to win the WC to be the best only in his head...its a tournament for 1 month that you play 3-4 times in your life if you are lucky so the random effect is so huge to be ever taken in consideration of whos the best based on that
@BratatoChip
@BratatoChip 5 лет назад
909 Heartbreak no he doesn’t have a point dude wtf. Don’t be close minded about that bullocks argument
@nkosanakhumalo5976
@nkosanakhumalo5976 5 лет назад
Ay bro we dont care
@DJ_Dynamite10
@DJ_Dynamite10 5 лет назад
Shaka you lost my respect after this man. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Messi is the greatest football player of all time. 🤷🏽‍♂️
@outcast_mystic
@outcast_mystic 2 года назад
That's your opinion idiot
@spartanladkenny7870
@spartanladkenny7870 5 лет назад
Shaka's argument is stupid. He says it's a team game and at the same time he is nailing Messi for not "individually" winning the world cup. The world cup is NOT the best trophy in terms of quality. Champions League is. The world cup has its history and charm... It used to be the greatest show of the best football players and teams to play in front of the world. There's the UCL now. UCL teams can beat the shit out of any international teams. Sit down Shaka. You're drunk!
@JamesDaCostaMusic
@JamesDaCostaMusic 5 лет назад
How'd Messi do against PSG in 2016/17? Saved by Neymar and Refs. How'd Messi do against Juventus in 16/17? How'd Messi do against Roma in 17/18? Last couple years Messi has gone missing in the knockout stage of champions league.
@JamesDaCostaMusic
@JamesDaCostaMusic 5 лет назад
You can blame Messi's teammates at Argentina all you want but you will never be able to refute that Messi missed the penalty to lose against Chile in Copa America. Maradona won the Worldcup with far less, never played with players as big as Higuain, Di Maria and Aguero.
@spartanladkenny7870
@spartanladkenny7870 5 лет назад
@@alkemansa WTF are you talking about? Nobody claims that Xavi and iniesta don't get credit. They're being called the best midfielders of all time. Shaka is right to people who don't have logic.
@spartanladkenny7870
@spartanladkenny7870 5 лет назад
@@JamesDaCostaMusic Oh yeah because the greatest players don't ever have off nights. The greatest painters always paint a masterpiece every time they paint right? What kind of dumb logic is this?
@spartanladkenny7870
@spartanladkenny7870 5 лет назад
@@JamesDaCostaMusic the penalty that he missed for Argentina was actually the first penalty shoot out kick that he missed. So what?
@somrai3593
@somrai3593 5 лет назад
Oh old man don’t go into emotional side so u watched pela playing when u r kid that doesn’t make him better than Messi just see the level of athleticism n talent in this dynamic era
@ojogbaneamedu2501
@ojogbaneamedu2501 5 лет назад
som rai Yes he also sees the balls the curve on their own, the shoes that don’t have holes, the pitches that aren’t missing grass and refs who have can call for yellow cards. Back in Peles era their was no yellow card, the offside rule was harder because you couldn’t be in lien with the player. Football has a way of balancing itself out. If you pulled Pele forward to this era he wouldn’t look nearly as good I concede, but he’d adjust and end up competing with Ronaldo and Messi. On the other hand take Messi and Ronaldo back to Peles era and they’d be confused by the poor pitches and balls. They’d have their legs broken and once they discover that their is barely any consequences for ruining a persons career and diving isn’t supported, they’ll retire. This is why Pele is the GOAT.
@linguisticspundit2094
@linguisticspundit2094 5 лет назад
Sorry mate, but your comment is not scientific or based on logic at all. You can't just make assumptions about players playing in the past or the future just like that. Actually, Ronaldo has a more complete physique than Pele so saying that he'll brake his legs is far-fetched. Please argue with me if logically, otherwise don't bother to comment back.
@roniieeem5031
@roniieeem5031 5 лет назад
@@ojogbaneamedu2501 No doubt Pele would adjust and play according to modern standards. But Lionel Messi would have adjusted too! In Argentina, he Played on pitches with garbage and literally dumps of shattered glasses. For years in his teen age, kept putting injections every night on each leg, enduring immense pain, so he grows up to a decent height. In this game only, the pitch was bad according to modern standards, but the ball was still not leaving his left foot. Do not underestimate his willpower, dedication and footballing genius. It would have been just an adjustment.
@joaosisse7890
@joaosisse7890 5 лет назад
Messi 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
@ojogbaneamedu2501
@ojogbaneamedu2501 5 лет назад
Mehdi Azizi Lmao I wonder if you posed this same response to the dude that commented? Probably not because he’s a Messi fan are so are you likely. He made a comment comparing players over time periods. You must not know what logic is because my argument was entirely logical, it was not factual because at a hypothesis but the hypothesis was based in logic. Now go back to your English class and ask your teacher for a dictionary the next time you attempt to present yourself as an intellectual.
@ericnunez3316
@ericnunez3316 5 лет назад
Shaka sitting there like " I hate these guys"
@biplobtamang6786
@biplobtamang6786 5 лет назад
People have to overcome their ego and sometimes watch the game and accept the reality.
@valentin1321
@valentin1321 5 лет назад
So Zidane is better than Messi because he won a world cup? Xavi Hernandez too? I don't get that argument. Messi is the GOAT. Not only do stats back it up but more importantly, the eye test backs it up
@fallendogking
@fallendogking 5 лет назад
You're the racist
@NewEarthSon
@NewEarthSon 5 лет назад
HE SAID PELE AND MARRODONA, HE DID NOT BRING UP ZIDANE OR XAVI, YOU DID. PELE AND MARRODONA ARE FAR AHEAD OF MESSI AND C RONALDO. FAR AND ALSO IT IS DEBATABLE WITH ZIDANE AND MESSI. ZIDANE WAS A HECK OF A PLAYER. NEVER THE LESS MESSI NOT BETTER THEN MARRODONA
@Losblancostalk
@Losblancostalk 5 лет назад
Ur dumb he didn't say anything about all that wtf..😂😂ur delusional
@mohanoberoi2447
@mohanoberoi2447 5 лет назад
@@NewEarthSon omg. Bro I don't give a fuck about the time and everything evolves...the game is much tougher now and all due credit to pele for being 17 when he won the world.cup but messi is just better
@NewEarthSon
@NewEarthSon 5 лет назад
@@mohanoberoi2447 haha nope. Everything does not "evolve" Life does not work that way. Its always been a rollercoaster. Sometimes up sometimes down. Thanks for telling us you do not care about the gistory of tge game. You exposed yourself😃😃😃😃😃
@collimator2393
@collimator2393 5 лет назад
Giroud is better than lionel messi because he has won the world cup i guess that makes sense 😂😂😂😂
@worldisfilledb
@worldisfilledb 5 лет назад
That's not what he's implying dumbass lol you are so fucking stupid
@AllthatremainsMV
@AllthatremainsMV 5 лет назад
@@worldisfilledb pretty much is tho. Club teams are far superior to world cup teams and that's a fact.
@Shakirbindahir1998
@Shakirbindahir1998 5 лет назад
In terms of winning the world cup he is
@knight1711
@knight1711 5 лет назад
Your as stupid 😂 🤣🤣 what he did for club?? Anything?? 😂😂
@zisolo4283
@zisolo4283 5 лет назад
y dont u say mbappe instead of giroud is going to be better than messi? scared?
@ronitmukhi3588
@ronitmukhi3588 5 лет назад
Ronaldos not even in the competition hahaha
@idrisgroken2991
@idrisgroken2991 4 года назад
eh ? most have cr7 as best ever
@justmade804
@justmade804 3 года назад
not in the competition in the espn studios, but obviously thats a joke that cant be taken seriously
@Anonymous-yy2dm
@Anonymous-yy2dm 3 года назад
@@idrisgroken2991 No. Not even Madrid players say he is the greatest
@sweatyhomophobe7329
@sweatyhomophobe7329 5 лет назад
“But if he was French he’ll win the World Cup” “IS hE FrEnCh?” Awkward pause Lmaooo his face when is said it 😂
@zes3542
@zes3542 5 лет назад
he is without doubt the GOAT. The things he does are unbelievable and no one comes close to him.
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
Z O how can you say that when you never saw Pele or maradona play?
@ukhouseRJ
@ukhouseRJ 5 лет назад
Hahhaha you are funny hahahha
@kareemlawson878
@kareemlawson878 5 лет назад
Neymar is close
@hamzaibrahim6168
@hamzaibrahim6168 5 лет назад
JD 1 we have, pele is overrated when it was a time competition was weak and skill was rare
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
Hamza ibrahim that’s Nonsense and disrespectful to Pele. Scoring in a World Cup final as a 17 year old. When we are 17 we are doing our homework, while he was scoring against grown men in a World Cup final. 3 world cups. To even call Pele overrated is a disgrace
@marion4718
@marion4718 5 лет назад
Bro I’m the biggest Ronaldo fan in the world . I’ve been a Madrid fan for the longest time and even I respect Messi. To me, Messi is the greatest. What’s he done for Barcelona is remarkable. His accomplishments are top notch. He hasn’t had the best luck internationally but do you know how hard it is to win a World Cup? People should stop trying to put him down. Cause when it’s all said and done and his career is over. Everyone will remember him as the best to ever put on a football jersey .
@akshay4142
@akshay4142 5 лет назад
just wondering as a fan of Ronaldo, what do you think about the Rape case against him? Would you still support him if he's found guilty?
@marion4718
@marion4718 5 лет назад
Akshay Jr. personally I’m on Ronaldo’s side I do think the news are Manufactured. Nowadays people will do anything for fame and money, including making false statements.And since this incident happened almost 10 years ago. Why bring it up now. It just makes no sense. But in the case that he is found guilty, no matter how loyal I am to him, I feel like rape is an irredeemable crime. It’s just way too serious and wrong
@marion4718
@marion4718 5 лет назад
Nana Akwesi Atta Mensah that’s the way it should be. Great players should always be recognized. Instead of constantly debating about who’s better, who has done more. We have to take the time to appreciate what we are witnessing, because who knows when another player like that will come
@marion4718
@marion4718 5 лет назад
Nana Akwesi Atta Mensah For Real. And in the world we are living in, it’s super common. If that actually happened to me, if I was in that woman’s shoes. I would of contacted the authorities without question . Like as soon as I could. It’s just, why would you bring something up from the past that’s basically irrelevant now. I mean come on it’s just ridiculous. Like Ronaldo himself said, She’s trying to promote herself by using his name
@JoeMama-sd2kl
@JoeMama-sd2kl 5 лет назад
respect from a diehard leo fan. Cr7 is legendary as well
@alvirarahman2690
@alvirarahman2690 5 лет назад
“Best club player ever” has scored the highest no. Of International goals for Argentina. This guy is running out of reasons to hate him.
@hotepsalam
@hotepsalam 5 лет назад
Shaka said Pele!!! I respect Pele but Diego maradona took Napoli to different heights and won a World Cup.
@-68
@-68 5 лет назад
Gosh the level of stupidity. “It’s a team game”, and yet you’re judging him, an individual, for a team thing...?!? Ok, maybe I’m daft but what the actual hell...?? As an amazing player. Now I don’t know Pele, but from what I’ve seen from Messi, I believe he deserves it. And people should stop trying to kick him down. The man’s a legend if not THE one. But that’s just my opinion. I mean I’m just one person. What do I know right..? 🤷‍♀️
@lifeasISHA
@lifeasISHA 5 лет назад
yh u r a fucking idiot
@agamertagk544
@agamertagk544 5 лет назад
5:05 my nigga went speechless lmao
@NewEarthSon
@NewEarthSon 5 лет назад
STOP RIGHT THERE KID, YOU BASICALLY CUT YOURSELF. YOU DID NOT SEE PELE, THEREFORE YOUR FOOTBALL JUDGEMENT ON WHO THE GOAT IS INVAID. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT A KID 50 YEARS FROM KNOW WILL SAY THE SAME SHIT YOU SAID ABOUT PELE ABOUT MESSI, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FEEL? RESPECT THE GAME
@ominae1
@ominae1 5 лет назад
Breazy A 100%
@kareemsc9913
@kareemsc9913 5 лет назад
You’re right. It’s absolutely ridiculous
@tobiasbaines
@tobiasbaines 5 лет назад
Goat because of Tottenham performance?_😂....... Goat because of his career
@ToffiTube
@ToffiTube 5 лет назад
Goat because he put your team in 3rd place
@bigdan4829
@bigdan4829 5 лет назад
ToffiTube why do you assume that he’s a Tottenham fan
@mikkelch2038
@mikkelch2038 5 лет назад
* facepalm *
@jprubio9150
@jprubio9150 5 лет назад
Goat buddy.. deal with it
@chev923
@chev923 5 лет назад
I agree... like wtf??? 1. That wasnt even his best performance 2. Goat not because of one match
@Dr-AI
@Dr-AI 5 лет назад
"Best club player ever". Such an unintelligent statement. Messi is only the best "club player" ever, but Pele is the best ever according to him? Why is he not calling Pele the best national team player ever then? Why make this stupid line between club and national team when talking about Messi, but when talking about Pele the performances with national team is enough? If Pele was definetely the best player, he should have been the best "club player" also. It smells like bias. Shaka is contradicting himself. Messi have already proven himself with the national team by getting to several finals while being a key-player. Wether or not he wins a tournament is also up to the rest of the team, luck and other factors.
@WilloPR
@WilloPR 5 лет назад
"It's a team game it's a team game." "So if Argentina doesn't win the world cup with Messi in it he's not the GOAT?" "No" *Nice logic Mr. Blackman*
@R1996s
@R1996s 5 лет назад
Muller has WC and plays great for club, is he the goat ? Iniesta played the best in club, and has WC, is he the best ? David Villa played better than Neymar for barca in my opinion, and has a WC, is he the goat ? The above mentioned names are big ones maybe not today but they were. Now why are they not in the GOAT list ? Even griezman thinks now he is at the same level as messi and ronaldo because of this shit thought of winning the world cup as the key feature for being called GOAT. Is he ? They all may have goals and a WC, but none of them is... magical !
@JoeMama-sd2kl
@JoeMama-sd2kl 5 лет назад
true. Anyone with common sense knows the "need wc for GOAT title" argument is bollocks.
@Shipdacheese
@Shipdacheese 5 лет назад
Iniesta was key to Messi. If Messi wins UCL without Iniesta and without bringing Pogba to the team (although he is begging for him right now), then i will say Messi is a great player. Still 2nd to CR7 but great nontheless.
@mkkhan3807
@mkkhan3807 5 лет назад
@@Shipdacheese wasted sperm spotted
@mduduzindlovu6643
@mduduzindlovu6643 5 лет назад
I love your statement ask them mate
@oosiee7550
@oosiee7550 5 лет назад
👏 👏 👏
@devgupta66
@devgupta66 5 лет назад
Cristiano Ronaldo is not even a part of this conversation.
@yourlordandsaviouryeesusbe2998
Yes. Did you expect otherwise?
@devgupta66
@devgupta66 5 лет назад
No I didn't.
@PaQueRespeten
@PaQueRespeten 5 лет назад
Of course not, that would be too ridiculous 🤣🤣
@raheemwilson894
@raheemwilson894 5 лет назад
Dev Gupta cuz this is about MESSI smh
@davidhe7935
@davidhe7935 5 лет назад
Well you just introduced him to the conversation 😂😂
@_v.c_
@_v.c_ 5 лет назад
Almost every single time Messi steps on ground he produces magic... ⚽
@MuhammadAmin-ov4uv
@MuhammadAmin-ov4uv 3 года назад
@Jon Snow brazillian Ronaldo did thise skills to nobodies players with less skill compared to today messi performed with players that are at a much higher level of competition and still managed to humiliate them
@DanGM8
@DanGM8 5 лет назад
That guy doesn't make any sense and here's why. He's saying that for Messi to be considered the best ever, needs to win the best trophy in the sport. I understand that, but here's the deal, that makes no sense. Here's an example: Messi carries Argentina to the WC final, he scores and its 1-0. Argentina scores 2 own goals and Argentina loses the final. That guy is saying, because his teammates messed up in the final, because of 1 game, he cant be considered the BEST EVER, all because mistakes by his teammates? I think this is a very good example, and I would love to have a debate with that guy.
@olasunkanmijojolola1101
@olasunkanmijojolola1101 5 лет назад
Ikr😂
@miguelibarra4640
@miguelibarra4640 5 лет назад
Only that never happened lmao messi can only talk about ifs hahaha
@Messifi10
@Messifi10 5 лет назад
Or if lets say messi injured in an entire world cup campaign and argentina reach the world cup final. Leading 2-0 and messi came on in the 88th minute and argentina won, and that means messi is the best player ever. Lol. That guy is ridiculous, i think he is running out of excuses. Give it to 3-4 years he will have to say it.
@comanchero7200
@comanchero7200 5 лет назад
How many goals does Messi have in the World Cup knock out stages? Compare his stats to those of Maradona. Then you see what carrying a national team means...
@Messifi10
@Messifi10 5 лет назад
Romano Cicoria but messi carries team on a longer scale with longer campaign.
@Ichsukatanuka
@Ichsukatanuka 5 лет назад
Messi is on another level, world cup or not
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
Ichsuka Nope, needs a World Cup. Like it or not that will always be held against him until he wins it
@randyperez2025
@randyperez2025 5 лет назад
@@eldio2124 so let me get this straight, if seirgo or Higuain won the world cup for Argentina, would that make Lionel Messi the G.O.A.T?
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
Randy Perez He’d be on level with Pele and maradona as the greatest of all time.
@mauricewilliams3478
@mauricewilliams3478 5 лет назад
He can't do shit Argentina lol. Copa America and world cup
@mauricewilliams3478
@mauricewilliams3478 5 лет назад
Messi always doing that for years , world cup or copa America flops. League starts scores over 40 goals . next world cup and copa america flops again, league starts scores over 40 etc 😂😂😂😂😂. Its a pattern
@DigitalGamingPro
@DigitalGamingPro 5 лет назад
Shaka is like the Charlamagne of ESPN.
@origilist8498
@origilist8498 5 лет назад
IS Shaka the nigga or the fatso?
@ehdhdhdhdfhduhdhdud3574
@ehdhdhdhdfhduhdhdud3574 5 лет назад
and joe budden combined
@snoopy6974
@snoopy6974 5 лет назад
Hahaha true af
@madagascarmgm4593
@madagascarmgm4593 5 лет назад
DigitalGamingPro hahaha... I just die!
@shikharbisht2627
@shikharbisht2627 5 лет назад
DigitalGamingPro see what you did there
@elmorillas
@elmorillas 5 лет назад
To base who's the best ever on 7 games played every four years is utter ridiculous. Yes, indeed it's a team game. If you reverse that argument, Argentina without Messi wouldn't have even played the World Cup. He took them to the Final in 2014 and did so surrounded by scrubs. If the people at France Football think like this guy now I understand a lot of things. But I always say the same thing: Imagine you've got a club, you can sign anyone you want, who would you sign first? Exactly.
@abikealex
@abikealex Год назад
Guess What, he won the World Cup!!! Vamos Lionel Messi
@musichere3287
@musichere3287 5 лет назад
loool English media back at it again. This performance was nothing we haven't seen from him in the last 10 years. In fact he does this shit in almost every game. Just because he does it against an English team, you are paying attention to it, which is sad.
@JoeMama-sd2kl
@JoeMama-sd2kl 5 лет назад
they dont follow la liga since it isnt epl 😂 stupid pundits man
@bxs4122
@bxs4122 5 лет назад
Kaleb Irwan but he’s saying that’s how he plays
@Jwilk.o
@Jwilk.o 5 лет назад
This is American media x
@youngstarproductions3452
@youngstarproductions3452 5 лет назад
But its more impressive against a ”top PL team” than leganes at home
@musichere3287
@musichere3287 5 лет назад
@@youngstarproductions3452 Yeah but it's the same as doing it vs Sevilla, Atletico or Real Madrid and he destroys those teams constantly too.
@yusufmsy4229
@yusufmsy4229 5 лет назад
i think shaka need doctor
@qenjaboy
@qenjaboy 5 лет назад
I honestly don't know how intellectually challenged people like him get jobs on TV. The only reason I can think of is to create interest by stating ignorant opinions and getting people mad. It's quite a gimmick by the TV-station, but it has been proven effective in different sports also.
@tikovibes2860
@tikovibes2860 5 лет назад
😂😂💀
@imadrmidi6240
@imadrmidi6240 5 лет назад
i agree with that
@Dizturbias
@Dizturbias 5 лет назад
Football is a teamgame, i couldnt agree more! But, GOAT is an individual achievement, so that makes this conversation irrelevant!
@Messifi10
@Messifi10 5 лет назад
Dicknaldo fanboys in the comment section is so jelly that he is not mentioned in the title of the goat.
@sandeeprout492
@sandeeprout492 5 лет назад
In the end he will be declared 🐐. What I see is Messi changing his style of play now he doesn't dribble like he used to do but wait for the right moment to do it. He has also master the art of free kick. Now he plays more deep and build the play from there. If this way he continues to evolve I can see another 9 - 10 years in him by then I think no one would complain why he isn't the best. This is a god gift with which hard work cannot keep up. Once in a generation player he is and people will realize his value once he retires from the game. P.s. I feel most unlucky player in the world is Messi but I have a faith in the later period of his career he will achieve what is expected from him because he isn't leaving without lifting that gold shit by hook or crook. Have a nice day all.
@adelinogoncalves1180
@adelinogoncalves1180 Год назад
Here's hopping
@bibekraj2205
@bibekraj2205 Год назад
And here you go the world champion 2022 leo messi…
@rogerv7249
@rogerv7249 5 лет назад
Pele was scoring against scrubs
@yousuffarah9703
@yousuffarah9703 5 лет назад
So does Messi in the La Liga.
@willcherry4243
@willcherry4243 5 лет назад
Bet you couldn't score against those scrubs if you went back in time.
@jaxon7506
@jaxon7506 5 лет назад
The8thHokage x and messi doesn’t?
@Shakirbindahir1998
@Shakirbindahir1998 5 лет назад
Those scrub see European clubs both country and club
@nali878
@nali878 5 лет назад
Yousuf Farah and the champions league too, he scored 2 against some scrubs Wednesday
@darthbane513
@darthbane513 5 лет назад
I think it's stupid to say that he can't be the best just because of not having won the World Cup. I still think Pele was better and I still say Pele is the GOAT, but I don't think Messi is any less for not winning the world cup
@chozachoza3318
@chozachoza3318 5 лет назад
He always do that in group stages, we want him to replicate this performance in quarter final as well
@Entales.
@Entales. 5 лет назад
I'm just going to say this once. The greatest trophy is the world cup, but it is for a team. The team which wins it makes that team the best team, it doesn't make the best player of that team the best ever. Going by his logic, to be considered the greatest player ever you should get the most prestigious individual trophy, which is the world cup Golden Ball, which Messi did achieve deservedly
@TheCookieNetwork
@TheCookieNetwork 5 лет назад
wrong its like saying Tom Brady or Michael Jordan are the greatest without them winning a superbowl or NBA title
@thebrownman3866
@thebrownman3866 5 лет назад
The world cup is the most prestigious award in football, thats a fact. But you cant say that messi isn't the greatest of all time just because he hasn't won one. Honestly Argentina are only considered to be favorites because of messi himself. Did you watch how poorly managed argentina were in russia? So unfair to say someone isnt good becuase they're TEAM didnt do well in a TEAM competition.
@aasisrai5284
@aasisrai5284 5 лет назад
Ya and Argentina was able to play 2018 world cup because of Messi hat trick against Ecuador otherwise Argentina would not be able to play 2018 world cup
@sageantone7291
@sageantone7291 5 лет назад
Blind fanboys. You know if Messi won in 2014, they would use the World Cup to bolster their GOAT claim. Fact. Sit down.
@Entales.
@Entales. 5 лет назад
@@sageantone7291 why fucking not. He's already done enough to be considered as the goat. The world cup wouldn't change it, it would just add to his greatness
@rotjlukeskywalker9030
@rotjlukeskywalker9030 5 лет назад
messi is the goat with or without a world cup they always gotta try to find *something* to discredit him, people keep comparing messi the individual to team accomplishments and its completely unfair to messi, ill never understand why are people so reluctant to call this man the greatest. he is the goat plain and simple
@AlanHernandez-jn2mp
@AlanHernandez-jn2mp 5 лет назад
MAYBE because Pele & Maradona also deserve to be GOATs?
@rotjlukeskywalker9030
@rotjlukeskywalker9030 5 лет назад
@@AlanHernandez-jn2mp where in my comment did i say pele and maradona didnt deserve praise lol messi better than both of them
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
rotjluke skywalker Nope like it or not messi is not the goat. Just like maradona and Pele had to win the World Cup to be the greatest. Messi must do the same. Period
@AlanHernandez-jn2mp
@AlanHernandez-jn2mp 5 лет назад
@@rotjlukeskywalker9030 Dude are you slow? You asked why people are so " RELUCTANT" & all I did was answer your dumb question
@rotjlukeskywalker9030
@rotjlukeskywalker9030 5 лет назад
@@AlanHernandez-jn2mp i guess i gotta repeat myself bc you obviously dont understand, messi doesnt need a world cup to be in the talks of pele and maradona thats what i was getting at learn to read bud
@ShajadurRahman016
@ShajadurRahman016 4 года назад
The idea for GOAT never could applied to any other footballer because different generations players have their different achievements with different times and situations. But on personal level Messi just ahead anybody else in football history. That's the true fact, if you are not to be biased.
@albnorragibi
@albnorragibi 4 года назад
For me it's quite simple, there hasn't been any other player in history (except Ronaldinho of course) that has made me happy and excited to watch more than Messi, I mean while watching normal players you only get excited when they score, but with Messi every single time he gets the ball I just get a feeling that something magical is going to happen, watching him play is like watching a movie, you're always excited and happy and the way he plays just brings me pure joy. Just by the way he plays I consider him the greatest of all time, let alone plus all his trophies. As for the world cup, it's difficult to win because it's held every 4 years, if it was held every 2 years I'm certaim that he would have won it, even more than once (considering he came very very close at 2014 WC but was just unlucky).
@sameguyyesaye4388
@sameguyyesaye4388 5 лет назад
Is the World Cup really the most prestigious thing in football though? Because the champions league has more quality, better players, better teams. The only reason the World Cup is rated as the biggest and best trophy in football is because it’s every 4 years and most players only get to play in 1-2 of them in their careers and that’s the only reason.
@bigzy8183
@bigzy8183 5 лет назад
Same guy Yesaye correct. Said this for years, it’s harder to win the UCL than the World Cup (depending on how good your national team is)
@AllthatremainsMV
@AllthatremainsMV 5 лет назад
@Kanye West world cup teams are in no way better than club teams, and that's a fact.
@bigzy8183
@bigzy8183 5 лет назад
Kanye West It’s harder to win in terms of quality, The CL has the best teams in world football competing against each other, the World Cup all depends on the quality of your national side at that time and the group your placed in.
@AllthatremainsMV
@AllthatremainsMV 5 лет назад
@Kanye West it's not all Ronaldo and messi tho. If you were to throw teams like Psg Barca real mancity liverpool Chelsea bayern juve into the world cup they would all be the best teams there.
@bigzy8183
@bigzy8183 5 лет назад
Don’t get me wrong it might be the most prestigious but it most definitely isn’t the hardest. It’s pure luck on how good your team is on the international stage.
@joncoish
@joncoish 5 лет назад
It's the dumbest argument ever. So Salah for example could never be considered the best player ever, even if he scored 100 goals a season, because Egypt will never win the world cup? Doesn't make any sense.
@afifmajid8754
@afifmajid8754 5 лет назад
Argentina are among one of the to seeds going into any tournament. It's like saying Barca and Galatasaray having the same chance to win the ucl
@joncoish
@joncoish 5 лет назад
Yes Argentina are usually amongst the top seeds, and in 2014 Messi led them to the final of the world cup and won the golden boot so I wonder what else he can do, but my comment still stands. The logic is flawed because based on it someone like Salah could never be considered the best ever because Egypt will never win the world cup any time soon. It just doesn't make sense.
@NewEarthSon
@NewEarthSon 5 лет назад
WELL IF SALAH COULD SCORE 100 GOALS A SEASON, THAT MEANS HE COULD USE SOME OF THOSE FOR EGYPT AND SHOULD WIN A WORLD CUP RIGHT? COME AGAIN.
@vipinm8896
@vipinm8896 5 лет назад
@@NewEarthSon U are so pathetic...why r u spreading so much hate on Messi....??? I could see you everywhere...get a life man.....
@NewEarthSon
@NewEarthSon 5 лет назад
@@vipinm8896 no it looks like your the patgetic one. You think futbol was created when messi started playing.lol Give me a break 50 years from now kids like yourself will be shitting on messi like your shitting on the past players. Will tgat be pathetic? Yes because context and history matters not hype of moment or creme de lejour.
@maxroig1264
@maxroig1264 5 лет назад
“It’s a team game”. No one is asking who the best team is, they’re asking who the best individual player is.
@qwho4214
@qwho4214 5 лет назад
Shaka's on the money. Messi has never replicated his club form at international level. Pele and Maradona did with the latter winning the world cup for Argentina with a substandard Argentine team. Nicol is going senile - what has Giggs got to do with the conversation?
@joei2625
@joei2625 5 лет назад
No other sport has a “top prize” that comes around every 4 years, imagine if the nba finals were every 4 years, like wtf are you talking about bro
@TheCookieNetwork
@TheCookieNetwork 5 лет назад
so yo dont think if the NBA final was every 4 years, that Michael Jordan would have never won or Tom Brady would have never won a Superbowl. Come on buddy.
@dummieabdul3542
@dummieabdul3542 5 лет назад
Tbf football is the only team sport where the top prize is an international competition.
@juljalala
@juljalala 5 лет назад
We don't know but surely it would make it a lot more difficult since every four years there are a lot of significant changes in one's self, your team and the rivals you are facing.
@TheCookieNetwork
@TheCookieNetwork 5 лет назад
So ask yourself this question. If they hadn't won, would they be considered the greatest? No and so therefore that's why messi is not the greatest is some peoples eye
@juljalala
@juljalala 5 лет назад
Let me answer that question with another question. Imagine the following scenario: NBA tournament remains the same but every four years there is a International tournament with a difficulty level more less the same as the NBA annual tournaments. Now, let's suppose MJ, Tom Brady, etc won those NBA tournaments but didn't manage to win the international tournament once. Would they still be consider the best?
@victorvasquez8520
@victorvasquez8520 5 лет назад
He already was the GOAT
@lifeasISHA
@lifeasISHA 5 лет назад
u r idiot
@mauricewilliams3478
@mauricewilliams3478 5 лет назад
@The Machine and can't perform for Argentina time and time again
@mauricewilliams3478
@mauricewilliams3478 5 лет назад
@The Machine yeah and didn't perform in the finals. What happened in the other international tournaments ,did he perform yes or no ?
@The_Duude99
@The_Duude99 5 лет назад
@@mauricewilliams3478 can't perform for Argentina... that's why he is their all time top scorer and won a wc player of the tournament... please just shut up...
@mauricewilliams3478
@mauricewilliams3478 5 лет назад
@@The_Duude99 everyone knows he didn't deserve it even the media agree 😂😂😂 . Neuer was the player of the tournament hands down Robben and Muller had better tournament than messi. All messi fans are delusional
@jorgeherrera1074
@jorgeherrera1074 Год назад
The only reason it applies to football and not other sports is because it's the only sport where you have a team effort and it only comes around once every 4 years. Basketball you have 5 people on the court, so it's less team base. An individual player can more easily overpower another team on their own and they have every year to win the championship. With baseball and NFL they're also every year so you get about 20 opportunities in your life whereas football you get 4 if you're lucky, almost no one gets 5 chances. Olympics is different because the biggest sports in the olympics are individual. So it's 100% on the individual if they win a swimming race. You can relays, but Michael Phelps wouldn't have hurt his legacy if he lost the relay races and won all his individual races. It's different from other sports.
@mellowman7294
@mellowman7294 4 года назад
Also nearly every goal he scores in box he is being hit or fouled by one or two defenders , yet he scores PHENOMENAL
@dddtx780
@dddtx780 5 лет назад
Finally???? He’s been the GOAT since 2009
@04foreverinvincible69
@04foreverinvincible69 5 лет назад
So what is Ronaldo ?
@delvinfirebolt1885
@delvinfirebolt1885 5 лет назад
@@04foreverinvincible69 Ronaldo is just inferior he's good but just not as good as messi
@davidkariu2330
@davidkariu2330 5 лет назад
@@delvinfirebolt1885 he's been the best player on earth for five years whatchu on about
@719haris
@719haris 5 лет назад
@@davidkariu2330 How did Ronaldo get into this conversation. In this video experts are talking about the GREATEST OF ALL TIME and clearly as usual no body mentioned Ronaldo. So why are you mentioning him?
@laithlaith8427
@laithlaith8427 5 лет назад
@@davidkariu2330 Ronaldo Can't even dribble 😂😂😂😂
@ajaysamraj3649
@ajaysamraj3649 5 лет назад
Messi and no one player can win a trophy all on there own. Trophies are team achievements. One player cant win it and never has won a title all on their own. You rate a player base on how they play the game. Not on a trophy that 11 players have to work for. Trophies are won by a team not one player.
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
LM 10 go and watch Argentina vs England in 1986 World Cup and then tell me if maradona won that game by himself or not
@rubenr2655
@rubenr2655 5 лет назад
@@eldio2124 He did not. There was a goal keeper between 2 2hite posts to block and stip incoming shots. Infront of him were 4 defenders that challenged the opposition and kept the opposition from having too many scoring opportunities. Infront of them were 4 or 5 midfielders whom did their best to control the tempo and rhythm of the game when they could. Yes maradona scored but it was 11 v 11 not 11 v 1. The trophy was won by 23 individuala all playing their part. Also in order for maradona to be at the finals to score his team had to perform in the stages before that. And on my final note...1 additional player was featured on the team of argentina which was god, and even maradona has admited to "the hand of god" having played a key moment in argentina winning the world cup.
@ajaysamraj3649
@ajaysamraj3649 5 лет назад
@@eldio2124 yea while maradona was playing all the defenders, goalkeeper and the rest of players were having a picnic on the field. Oh yea he reach the finals playing all by himself by your logic. Lol
@NewEarthSon
@NewEarthSon 5 лет назад
MESSI PERFORMANCES IN WORLD CUPS STINK. TEAM NOT HOLDING HIM DOWN FROM PERFORMING HIMSELF
@afifmajid8754
@afifmajid8754 5 лет назад
Why don't we start giving teams wins for amount of possession, passes completed, least fouls committed etc. I mean it's all about how you play right, there's no other element to it
@elijah8350
@elijah8350 5 лет назад
Pele was great but guess what country he played against numerous times and lost most games vs europes top 5? Spanish league!
@pranavswami
@pranavswami 5 лет назад
Yeah shaka's drunk
@enzom3830
@enzom3830 5 лет назад
But can he do it on a cold.... Yeah, enough of that already. Most dangerous player ever.
@TheGizmo1122
@TheGizmo1122 5 лет назад
What a bunch of bollocks this "have to win with your national team to become the goat" is. For me is more about performing for your national team, witch Messi has. If a player is from a shit country, he can never become the greatest of all time, there is no logic...
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
TheGizmo1122 he hasn’t performed for Argentina, don’t sit up there and lie. Me and you both know that Messi has flopped at every major tournament he’s been at with Argentina. Where was he in the World Cup final? He flopped. 2010 he flopped. 2018 he flopped. Copa America he flopped.
@delvinfirebolt1885
@delvinfirebolt1885 5 лет назад
And who carried Argentina through the Copa America and 2014 world cup . Who won the golden ball idiot
@mkratos17
@mkratos17 5 лет назад
Delvin Firebolt188 yep its Messi fault that the Argentinian team couldn't defend for shit they even got demolished by a subpar Spanish team. In the knockout rounds they scored 3 but the defense was so bad that they couldn't hold a lead the goalie pulled a karius lmfao but yeah it should be held against him they lost. when Pele got to play with all time greats and wasn't even the best player on the team
@willcherry4243
@willcherry4243 5 лет назад
@@eldio2124 Oh so you're going to conveniently forget that there was a world Cup in 2014 and he led them to the final? Or that he's lead them to an Olympic gold medal in 2008? Stop finding reasons to hate.
@eldio2124
@eldio2124 5 лет назад
Will Cherry I just said where was he in the World Cup final? Which is referring to the 2014 final. He flopped in the final on the biggest stage. And please, winning the Olympics doesn’t count that is an irrelevance. World Cup and copa america’s are where you’re judge, Messi has come up short. Phenomenal player but not the greatest
@diegonavas7255
@diegonavas7255 5 лет назад
Bro, shaka don't know what to say. Messi is top scorer for Argentina. It's a team game but he's not the best player ever because his teammates.. yea makes so much sense Shaka
@mostafaghoneim5502
@mostafaghoneim5502 5 лет назад
You cant rate an individual by using a team award to do so simple
@Budumpum
@Budumpum 5 лет назад
He just hates him, that’s all his reason. He can excuse himself of a team game as he wants, but he can’t change it. Yes, it’s a team game. But we’re talking individuals. And even so, maybe he didn’t win a cup with Argentina, but it was not once or twice when he carried the whole team on his shoulders and won the match, both locally or international. And he does it regularly. But of course, while he can make an impact, he can’t always win everything all by himself. As it’s been said, it’s a team game. It’s impossible for one individual to carry everyone every time. The same way like Ronaldo can’t carry all Portugal games just by himself. No one can. And no one ever was or will. Not i.e.Pele, while great, would never win without the rest of his team. His arguments are stupid he’s looking for reasons while getting out of breath. As an individual, Messi is the best who’s ever been.
@TheCookieNetwork
@TheCookieNetwork 5 лет назад
actually Brazil and Argentina would have never won without Maradona and Pele. All of you are missing the point because you can't seem to understand the to be the greatest you have to win a world cup because thats the bar that all the other greats have set for Messi, especially Maradona
@zakariadjouzi7570
@zakariadjouzi7570 5 лет назад
Lucas Soares actually they would since Pele missed the 1962 WC mostly due to his injury but Brazil led by Garrincha still won it without him at all while Maradona was only involved in 8 out of 18 goals scored by Argentina in the 1986 WC plus he dissapeared in the WC final against Germany back then but his teammates like Brown, Valdano & Burruchaga still carried his ass to the WC glory to make a so called GOAT while this Argentina side can't do shit without Messi & we all saw it in the 2018 WC Qualifiers !
@Budumpum
@Budumpum 5 лет назад
City_is_ours The great Ronaldo himself, semi god from times when 9 was bigger than 10. Certainly one of the greatest players ever. I’m sure Messi had learned one or two things from him. Unfortunately he got seriously injured too young, lost couple years of his career and it has cost him a lot, title of the GOAT being one of those things.
@ashur54
@ashur54 5 лет назад
Been the goat for like 7 years now.
@davidkariu2330
@davidkariu2330 5 лет назад
Your profile pic certainly does not say Ronaldo
@law6115
@law6115 5 лет назад
@@davidkariu2330 fix ur forehead and Ronaldo was invisible when Messi was at his prime
@ashur54
@ashur54 5 лет назад
David Kariu he's 2nd best of all time in my opinion. Don't hate him, just see messi as a better dribbler and playmaker, passer and goal scorer and is more complete and impacts the game more
@719haris
@719haris 5 лет назад
@@ashur54 2nd best? I don't think. Nobody even takes his name when experts are debating about the greatest players (as apparent in this video too).
@danielorpik478
@danielorpik478 5 лет назад
It’s a team sport. Team sport. He can’t be simultaneously a great defender, a great midfielder, a great forward, a great coach.. he dragged Argentina to the final. You can’t say he must win WC to be the GOAT.
@fufuandyam
@fufuandyam 5 лет назад
I think Maradona is the greatest, just because he had that leadership quality. You can't say Messi is not the greatest just because he hasn't won the world cup. Cruyff didn't win the world cup, zip didn't win the world cup platini didn't win the world cup and they are still some of the greatest players to ever play the game. Messi made the world cup final and his team let him down.
@SinghPratyush10
@SinghPratyush10 5 лет назад
Its very funny to see CR7 is not even in the debate...honestly he was not in the debate ever....only stupid fanboys who dosent know much about football compare him to messi...no one else
@SinghPratyush10
@SinghPratyush10 5 лет назад
@elliot granger frist of all in last champions league ronaldo only scored in the quarters finals in first leg agains juve....apart from that bayen and liverpool defenders kept him beside their dick....and lets talk about 2016 champions league all goals ronaldo scored agains bayen was off side...so its basically clear...wo is doing dogshit here....all he knows is cryy over a red card like a pathetic looser....and his red card was unfair...just like his last three balan d or's😂😂😂😂😂😂
@SinghPratyush10
@SinghPratyush10 5 лет назад
@elliot granger ya ya that tap in penalty...thats what makes ronaldo fan pathetic....i remembered that btw...bt the point i was talking about ronaldo performance not a gift by someone to him...and if u think scoring penalties comes under ronldo's great performance then fine man call him penaldo instead...thats suits him better😂
@BhriguDRaptor7
@BhriguDRaptor7 5 лет назад
lol fucking pessi asslicker , he purposedly not talk about Ronaldo's bicycle kick which Messi cannot even score in his next 100 births and talk about Ronaldo 's performance in Juve he is playing a like a vintage left wing Man utd Ronaldo providing assist after assist long range shots passes etc in a complete new team new system Messi always stays in his comfort zone cause he knows he will fail outside barca
@suddenstutter
@suddenstutter 5 лет назад
Pratyush Kumar lol, so true
@russell9411
@russell9411 5 лет назад
Ultimate Nova Creep he is older than messi
@shishiraryal5559
@shishiraryal5559 5 лет назад
Messi is the greatest player of all time in terms of individual talent. As one of them said "The way messi manipulates the ball, I haven't seen any player able to do so in my life ever." Only thing messi lacks is world cup legacy. If he had won the world cup even haters couldn't help themselves but had to admit messi is the greatest player of all time. Plus, this and other many videos tell the fact that ronaldo is the most overrated player of all time. If experts have a serious goat discussion it's always between messi, maradona and pele. After that they bring cryuff, r9 etc. At last they are obliged to mention ronaldo's name so his fanboys keep quiet.
@sageantone7291
@sageantone7291 5 лет назад
No, he's not. He's probably not even the best of his generation.
@davidkariu2330
@davidkariu2330 5 лет назад
Your opinion is absurd mate.
@luistorres250
@luistorres250 5 лет назад
Shishir Aryal Fuck all the players you just mentioned and put some respect on Ronaldinhos name who really is the greatest of all time
@zakariadjouzi7570
@zakariadjouzi7570 5 лет назад
Sage Antone no that's Ronaldo while Messi is by far the GOAT.
@luistorres250
@luistorres250 5 лет назад
zakaria djouzi Fuck those 2 GOAT -> Ronaldinho
@kshitijshrey
@kshitijshrey 5 лет назад
Football's greatest individual award is the Ballon D'Or , he's won 5 of 'em !!
@justmade804
@justmade804 3 года назад
*FIFAS* greatest individual award, super corrupted organization smh
@kshitijshrey
@kshitijshrey 3 года назад
@@justmade804 . . 6
@abdinasiribrahim2054
@abdinasiribrahim2054 Год назад
Well, he has a World Cup now.
@astuteha-ha7569
@astuteha-ha7569 5 лет назад
Messi does not have to win world cup bcz he is not from this world, so he is best in universe like if you agree
@bharathreddy7627
@bharathreddy7627 5 лет назад
Only when u realise CR7 has 5 ballon d'or or
@iamderah5080
@iamderah5080 5 лет назад
The last guy to comment gave the perfect answer..1960's aint 21st century..
@robinvercauteren5231
@robinvercauteren5231 5 лет назад
So when an amazing oustanding player was born in Bhutan and has to play with butchers and bakers in the world cup he can never be te best player? Some weird analysis right there my friend... messi is and will always be the GOAT
@sandeshghule
@sandeshghule 5 лет назад
I was die hard cricket fan but when I saw Messi' videos I was left stunned by his super natural skill n vision...I have seen all available videos of other footballing greats but nobody could make me fall in love with football the way Lionel Messi did.... It's unfortunate that he couldn't win the worldcup in 2014...but don't forget that he literally dragged Argentina to 4 finals... He is true magician on pitch and can bring more followers to football.. For me Messi is undoubtedly THE GOAT...
@alexmilton4713
@alexmilton4713 5 лет назад
Salty Ronaldo fanboys incoming
@fuaddanial2029
@fuaddanial2029 5 лет назад
And yet when Messi performs like this and gets compared with all time greats Ronaldo doesn't even get a mention lmao
@atgwiuz
@atgwiuz 5 лет назад
@santi tzalabiras yeah that was away in the champions league?
@light3181
@light3181 5 лет назад
@santi tzalabiras BROV it was on skysports in the UK they had the same argument as this ESPN channel. Ronaldo didnt get a mention. no hate just facts
@light3181
@light3181 5 лет назад
wow i see you pissed bro, take it easy. "dribbling the ball and drawing". you could make that kind of argument for anyone .
@debayandas3590
@debayandas3590 5 лет назад
@@fuaddanial2029 scoring tap in.... won't give you respect
@kshsbsjshshsksb5139
@kshsbsjshshsksb5139 5 лет назад
He was already the goat
@ashutoshsampat3661
@ashutoshsampat3661 5 лет назад
Can't believe that for the first time I felt like whole heartedly supporting stevie's argument when he said "Messi creates Magic"...
@saishashank4397
@saishashank4397 5 лет назад
the better question to shaka would be whichis the highest quality of football champions league or worldcup? for me worldcup is third division of champions league
@emmacastiro1322
@emmacastiro1322 5 лет назад
Shaka doesn't have a good reason,winning the world cup doesn't make u the greatest ever,being great is personal and messi has proven that,even pele admits messi is a great lad
@hosenOne1
@hosenOne1 5 лет назад
arbeloa has a world cup.. it makes him better than messi lol
@shariqueahmad9928
@shariqueahmad9928 5 лет назад
Shaka , I don't if u watch cricket or not but if u did u would know about AB de Villiers..
@carlosfarias3038
@carlosfarias3038 5 лет назад
That awkward moment of silence
@stroresse
@stroresse 5 лет назад
You can't compare ghosts! Neither of pele and/or maradona are gonna play the beautiful game again unless its a coke commercial. LETS ALL JUST ENJOY THIS LITTLE MAGICIAN while we can
@abhijaisingh3496
@abhijaisingh3496 5 лет назад
Pele was in an era where offisdes weren't a rule as well. Worst Goalkeepers in history.
@UnknownUser-xp1dp
@UnknownUser-xp1dp 5 лет назад
That black cretinous fool is simply as illogical as they come. How is it Messi’s fault if the players surrounding him are talentless? That’s a terrible argument and it’s entirely fallacious and untenable. The World Cup is very hit and miss, the fact is, one impeccable player like Lionel Messi is not going to run through teams on his own, it’s simply too much weight for him to carry. It’s an inaccurate measurement to use when determining the best player in the world. Personally, Messi is the best player of all time.
@-_-DatDude
@-_-DatDude 5 лет назад
Firstly why bring race into it? Secondly I wouldn't call the likes of Aguero, Di Maria, Tevez, Riquelme, Cambiasso, Samuel and Zanetti..etc..etc in the peak of their powers talentless. Thats just a lazy statement. Messi and co underachieved at national level. Thats all there is to it, nothing more, nothing less. That being said I would have Messi and CR7 both in the conversation for the GOAT alongside your Maradona's.
@bintuugaas8718
@bintuugaas8718 5 лет назад
You're a disgrace to humanity
@UnknownUser-xp1dp
@UnknownUser-xp1dp 5 лет назад
Okay, I’ll retract my statement, “talentless” was a little too harsh and unneeded. I agree, they have underachieved by I do stand by my belief. In addition, I was not inferring anything negative when I used the word “black”. I was merely using his colour of skin to make known who I was referring to - I had forgotten what his name was, that was all.
@MemeGang420
@MemeGang420 5 лет назад
Sorry bro you not allowed to say he's black. Now your whole argument is invalid because you're a racist, sexist, misogynistic straight white supremacist male.
@mirajali657
@mirajali657 5 лет назад
Messi is best
@TonyStonRNumber
@TonyStonRNumber 5 лет назад
“That’s makes no sense, that makes no sense “ 😂😂😂😂👌
@anonymousduh1424
@anonymousduh1424 5 лет назад
Simply,just, name one player Better than Messi...go on try to find one...
@justmade804
@justmade804 3 года назад
Cristian Ronaldo, put him on the 2014 argentina squad he is winning multiple world cups for a fact
@Kyle-oj5ob
@Kyle-oj5ob 5 лет назад
I hate this "logic." If you believe that Messi isn't the greatest individual football player of all time, fine. But come with a better argument than this! You're telling me that if Messi only plays 5 minutes in the next world cup and Argentina win that only then can he be in the conversation?! Not having that trophy is unfortunate but he has so many other accolades that more than make up for it. Shakas argument is just a gate keeper mentality. It's nonsense
@abstractphase3037
@abstractphase3037 5 лет назад
Messi is NOT the greatest player...He is overrrated
@cheddahc6686
@cheddahc6686 5 лет назад
what if in the future there is a new goat better than messi, ronaldo, pele, dona, etc but he plays for saudi arabia, and the goalkeeper is 5'6" ? The world cup argument isnt really fair to all the legends of the pasts that didnt play for big teams, and given the state of the argentina national team, its impressive they even went to the world cup in the first place
@thedave8097
@thedave8097 5 лет назад
Exactly, its a team game. And if it wasn't he would have won the world cup 2 times already. So he is the best.
@jahlenofficial3666
@jahlenofficial3666 5 лет назад
so a player who performed well in a tournment coming around every 4 years is considered better than a player who performs well on the regular.
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