Yes, mine, as well. Sounds like JJ was given a Hot Chocolate “cocktail”., with various additives. Alcohol, no less! So sick to think of this! Prayers for the loving people who were blessed to be part of these children’s lives. 🧡🙏🧡🙏🧡
@@yanniegrannie My mom taught me to be compassionate even to the worst of people. She reminded me that even the worst of people were not born to this world that way. I have had to work hard to feel compassion for Lori. That she sacrificed her children to have a life with a man that chose instead of her children is awful. But she will be judged for that so I pity her soul. That's the best I can do for her.
@Lynne Gackstetter your comment shows a perfect balance between reality and kindness and a compassion for those affected by Loris' heinous activities, your Mom did good 🙂. There are just so many victims in this case, genuinely good people who have been shattered by Chad and Loris choices
The juxtaposition of Lori & Chad dancing on the beach while these two innocent kids are rotting in the ground is mind blowing. I'm glad her sister called her out on EXACTLY that fact. Disgusting.
That Chad tried to debunk & distract from his limb burning & diurnal racoon shooting to the loving wife he'd soon kill as well and profit off of is beyond evil & was all so selfish, cowardly, unjustifiable, & unnecessary. All the victims & their loved ones deserved so much more & better than this. If either Chad or Lori had any microscopic remnant of love, conscience, morality, heart, shame, or remorse, they would admit everything, make full detailed confessions of everything, & beg everyone's forgiveness, not put all the grieving loved ones and others through more. Instead, they've just put more people through this, all the jurors & alternates & court personnel, the community, law enforcement & investigators, lawyers, journalists, family members, friends, people who helped search and who cared for the victims; there's just no end to the selfishness of Lori and Chad; no bottom to them. To spin their greedy selfish evil as divine will is blasphemy, perjury, and fraud. I wonder if JJ or Tylee even knew their Mom was happily heading off to Hawaii and leaving them behind after helping to set them up for and hand them off to be slaughtered. I wonder if Lori will decide to turn on Chad to try to save herself? What horrible depravity. These snakes were so blessed and destroyed all the most beautiful and precious gifts entrusted to them. It's unconscionable.
@@NormanBatesNumbers excellent summation! Lori and Chads greed, lust and actions are so depraved it is almost beyond belief. The fact that these two were living in Hawaii on social security and life insurance benefit money from people they slaughtered is hard to process. The two kids buried in Chads backyard in the “pet” cemetery. Then look at those pictures of their “unholy marriage” on a beach in Hawaii. It’s sickening. No other words for it.
He has nothing to defend his client with. At least, this way, Lori can't sulk about not being represented properly and appeal for a mistrial. In a way, this guy is making sure the court only goes through this "song and dance" once. Chad's lawyer is watching this closely, and no doubt advising his client to plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. If Chad fights this, he is a dead man.... probably end up a dead man in jail too. Oh well, no loss there.
Wish he could bave told the goofball where "microplastics" are found and how you get them in your body - not in your nose inside a plastic bag, but thru some bodies of water, and theyre so micro you cant see them... What are you breathing? Air... and then it runs out and you die... Duh!
The Defense has become nothing leas than a circus act! Every tax payer in that state should be outraged that their tax dollars are wasted on such a clown of an attorney ! He should never be paid by the state again ! I wonder how many he has been appointed to defend that have filed Ineffective counsel motions? Again costing tax payers ! I continue to be shocked at his unprofessional attitude his lack of preparedness and his low IQ grasping!
Yes, agree 💯 superb testimony - asphyxiation by plastic bag, which makes it impossible to breathe 😕 you Defense Attorney TWAT. 💙💜💜💙 RIP JJ, Tylee, Tammy, and Charles.
The defence using slang phrases at times such as "do your thing" this a professional man in a court of law! What an embarrassment. They also tend to argumentative and rude toward the witnesses
I’d like to see Lori and Chad get those autopsy photos as a Christmas card every year. Just as a reminder of the horrific things they did to those children.
@@sambia7295 They may not care, but it says something that she won’t look at them and that they didn’t want them shown in court. Everyone said she used to be a living devoted mother, and I believe one day, it will affect her….maybe years down the road, after she has spent time away from Chad.
I can't imagine seeing things like this every day in their job performance and going home to sleep at night. It takes such a strong person to do this job. I'd have to be in some serious therapy to do that job.
It makes me SO ANGRY that poor JJ was most likely awake and aware as they did those terrible things to him . One of my greatest phobias is not being able to breathe. I hope Tylee atleast wasnt aware. I know that doesnt really help anything as they are still gone, but to add terror and pain to knowing people you love are hurting you is just beyond the beyond
I agree. Having children with disabilities I couldn’t imagine the thoughts that went through his little mind. I keep thinking the reason Tylee was dismembered other than the rituals but because she was heavier and couldn’t be lifted or placed in a bag. 😭😭😭😭🤬
Chad and Lori Daybell are absolutely heartless monsters. I keep remembering seeing them in Hawaii on tv when everyone was looking for these precious children. It’s hard to imagine how they just went on with their lives after murdering 4 people?
I still believe she also conspired to have Tylee's dad murdered too, along with her lap dog brother. Who know how many others have suffered untimely deaths after crossing her.
They weren’t in heaven playing with the cute angels. They were tortured, dead and buried in the cold, hard ground. Don’t you understand that all this was done in another, twisted religion citing some kind of god? No god. No heaven. No hell. Just criminal, nasty, heartless, selfish humans.
Chad had to have been the one who killed JJ. Remembering Mel’s account of the night Chad took JJ to “bed” and then came out with scratches on his neck. JJ was not seen after that.
Chad is facing murder charges for asphyxiating Tammy. JJ was asphyxiated to death. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if JJ died directly at his hands, rather than his uncle's, Alex Cox. Either way, the three monsters are demons. Horrible beings.
@@mysticalmargaret6105 yup I'd say youre right about Chad doing it and Alex was roped into the burials..😒so disgusted by this as a man who wasn't blessed with having kids it's heartbreaking hearing this😔..
@Mia Jackson all of this is vial. These people are demon filled. So difficult for any of us to truly figure out who did what. But they all had a role. Even Melanie Gibbs. How in the world do you not realize something wrong and sick was going on when you see those scratches on Chad. And them talking about JJ climbing the fridge. They had to add that JJ knocked the picture of Christ. That had to be put in.....
I checked on my kids before i watched this 17,15,13, and 8 after hearing this I had to go back and kiss their foreheads as they sleep. Im sure in the morning my teens will be like mom what the heck why did you come in kissing on me last night. A mom is supposed to love and protect her kids and lori did not. How she let anyone harm her babies I will never understand!
I think she took part in it. A psychic who predicted how these kids died exactly down to a white bag on JJ’s head and black bag on his body and duct tape and described Tylee’s dismemberment in January (months before they were found) said Lori took part in putting the bag over JJ and she beat Tylee repeatedly in the head while Alex or Chad strangled her and beat her way beyond necessary to kill the poor girl. I’m inclined to believe it although I’ve always been told to stay away from this kind of thing. I was shocked to find out this psychic was correct! She said they dismembered Tylee in Chad’s workshop on his property. So sad!
Was thankful my grandkids came to visit so I could do the same with them! ❤ Lori is no Mom in my opinion! Being able to give birth doesn't make a Mom to me, just as depositing seeds doesn't make Dad! My teens never mentioned the midnight Mom prayer watches! Lol
I am also grateful that the autopsy photos were not released to the public. That is a good thing. Those are private and although I know the the jurors have to see them but not the general public.
Oh god this is beyond awful the physical and emotional torture of the two children and all other family members is beyond horrific! I cannot imagine the pain and horror they have all suffered!
I feel even worse for Kay & Larry Woodcock who allowed Lori & Charles to adopt JJ. They believed they were giving him a home where he would have a full time stay at home Mom & excellent schools & resources for his special needs. They couldn't possibly have foreseen what would happen, but I'm sure they feel regret & anguish everyday over giving JJ up to them. This will go on until the day they die.
Dr. Garth Warren is highly qualified and educated. Has done numerous homicide autopsies. The defense attorney's questions were ludicrous!! He grilled him why he didn't check sinuses or throat for evidence of plastics. Doc said that's never done. And then the defense attorney stated "he was going off of movies he saw." Dr. Warren: "That's scary." Priceless! Tylee and JJ died horrific, traumatizing deaths. JJ had evidence of a struggle so he was fighting for his life. We don't know what Tylee went through but I am sure it was just as bad. All at the hands of their Mother and new step dad, Chad. We do not know for sure if Alex was involved in its entirety. I say this due to Alex's last words stating Lori and Chad were going to make him the fall guy. Chad could have set Alex up by calling him over to his house/yard knowing his cell phone would locate him there. There's too many unanswered questions. JJ was bound. That goes along with Chad and Lori's religious beliefs. Bound the evil spirit. Tylee was burned. Same applies with religious beliefs: Burn evil spirits by fire. Which btw, Melanie Gibb had full knowledge of burning by fire. Just sayin'. I hope both Chad and Lori receive "prison justice." What they did to these precious children is beyond any human comprehension. My heart goes out to the Woodstocks and all family and loved ones. This is heart wrenching!!
What a fantastic Doctor, Dr Garth Warren. The fact the defence is going off movies is very scary.. It's almost like you care more about that sweet boy than his own mother did.
@@annohalloran6020 when he kept asking had he looked up the nose, the Dr had to explain how JJ would have died with a plastic bag over his head, the fact there was no air left!! I can't quite believe he would push that so hard. JJ didn't put that bag over his own head and bury himself 6 feet under. Is she saying she's not guilty and that Chad is or that neither are do you know?
I'm still listening, almost done. Tylee was burned in the fire pit. I am baffled how none of the neighbors smelled burning flesh, bones and organs?! This has a distinct, putrid, awful smell. J.D. Salinger, who helped liberate concentration camps in World War II, told his daughter, “You never really get the smell of burning flesh out of your nose entirely. No matter how long you live.”
As a mom of a sweet little boy with Autism… I cannot imagine! This breaks my heart so much. He was already in a world that was so much harder for him to navigate and the people who are supposed to love and protect him didn’t! He was loved and WANTED by his grandparents! I truly believe she murdered him for the SS money and in retaliation for Kay getting the life insurance money. Sweet JJ RIP 😭
Condolences 🙏 to all family members who loved these children and have been damaged by this horrific situation...RIP JJ, Tylee, Charles and I suspect Joe Ryan...may justice be served...❤
I'm also wondering if Lori had anything to do with the mysterious death of her sister back in 98... She might have wanted the sister out of the way so that she could have full access to her niece.
Well the defense attorney has to try something…-anything or else the guilty can claim ineffective counsel later. Don’t blame the attorney for doing their job even in a hopeless case where the guilt is so clear.
He just described the manner/cause of death of my daughter with a gun shot wound to her head. It looked as though either of them could have shot her. It was undetermined. It was like he was describing her. God help everyone trying to cope with and understand the loss of these 2 precious children. 😢 I've lost two and I just cannot imagine living with it being at my own hands. I just can't understand. 😢😢😢
My heart goes out to all the people, friends and family that have to go through this horrendous time. May your hearts and minds be healed and come to peace in time. 😢
How could Anyone do this to Children… or anyone for that matter! I hope Lori listened and Saw, this Evidence! These are Your Children! Prayers for the family of these Children 🙏🙏🙏
I think she should have been made to watch and look instead of turning her back, She's a fruit basket , she's worse than evil idk even why she gets a trial! I get it but she don't deserve it! As a parent myself? omg my kids are everything no matter what! hurt em and I'd rain hell fire on whoever hurt them!
My God, how can a Mother sit there and listen to this horror about her child. It’s beyond sick. There’s a special place in hell for Lori, Chad and Alex
🤣 I’m sure he’d try to tell everyone how it doesn’t happen like that in the movies! Or ask for a stunt double. Seriously though, he is a piece of work. Talking to the witness like he has no idea what he’s doing. Never mind his years of education and real world experience.
Defense has nothing to loose. By the way he is a bit wacko that lawyer and unpleasant voice. The jury already made their mind up. Even if she was, which I don't believe, under the influence of Daybell what mother let this happen knowingly. Exit with Lori.
Lori, does not want to look at the photos, but she needs them engraved into her head, it is engraved in our minds the cruel and appalling things that were done to these poor innocent children & their spouses! I am still floored s to no one bringing up that chad was a grave digger and worked for a cemetery!!
Should take lori down the the morgue and have her sit in a room with her children Maybe have her last memory of them be just as impactful as it is to everyone having to see and hear about it that loved those babies
The Loser's attorney doesn't want those autopsy photos to be shown to ANYONE! What is he so afraid of? The disgusting truth of what really happened to those two children? Why in the hell does he think they are in court? He has annoyed me throughout this trial. Both of them.
I agree. I know it's their job to give her a vigorous defense, but they don't have to be dicks while doing it. Not only that but how redundant some of their questions are, it's like the prosecutor already asked that, ask something different! Like when the prosecutor asked the forensic pathologist about his education and then the defense attorney turns around and asks the exact same questions. If I was on the jury I would be annoyed with that. And just their tone of voice sometimes, they can ask questions without being so condescending. It's no wonder they lost.
The sketch artist has really come into her own. She has captured the emotions (or lack of) in the courtroom. I appreciate her work. I would love her to capture the audience especially you, Nate.
My heart breaks for Tylee she appeared in those pictures to love JJ more than anything especially showing more love than the wicked Lori. May Lori and Chad rot in hell for eternity.
I don't know how you could have lunch after this pathologist testified .After hearing and seeing this, I would need a pack of cigarettes and a couple of shots of wiskey..Horrible to hear, let alone see his pictures. I would definitely expect sleeplessness and nightmares .
I think it will be interesting to see if Chad tries to negotiate the DP off the table in exchange for the truth of what really happened?..Since Lori's defense is it was the men, I would like to see how Chad plays his hand moving forward.
Very true. I feel like his lawyers were there to see how her trial is going to feel it out since we should be getting a date hopefully by next week. I feel like that would be his only option. It may be hard to "prove" Lori's involvement (conspiracy), but you cannot deny Chad's and Alex's. Now unless he and Lori believe he will be a martyr and this is the plan is another story.
I forced myself to hear all of this. i did it as if I too, were a juror. i also did it, trying to keep an open mind. This is just beyond gruesome. my heart is sick with grief for these 2 innocent children. There was just NO need for these murders ! There is NO justification. The Woodcocks stated many times they were willing to take these children off of Lori's hands. So, why murder ? It has to be out of sheer ------without mitigation ----- greed & rage. The only remedy we have is DEATH. if anyone meets this remedy it is, for certain, Lori Vallow .She was their Mother ------she HAD to be fully aware of the deaths of her 2 children. She bears full legal, & without doubt, moral responsibility for these unspeakable deaths. --------MJL, 76 y/o
I totally hear you on this- Money is the only real reasons for Chad Daybell to be able to complete his cult mission & she was with him hook line & sinker.
Imo, the defense trying to wiggle out of the autopsy photos being shown is laughable!!! To top it off Lori has the audacity to ask if she can leave the courtroom? Are you kidding me? I mean, she does realize why she's in that chair right? She conspired to kill them! And even if she was absent from the scene where they were shamelessly murdered SHE knew dam well what was happening!😮😢 there are no words for what kind of person she is! If she call even be referred to as a human being
Lori should be made to watch this and tortured until she admits her exact part. And I hate to say that because I’m a Christian woman 😩 But for the love of those children, who could EVER ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN?!?!! And in the name of Jesus??? Blasphemy! I just can’t comprehend this 😭😭
Not surprised a Christian recommends torture … religious people can be the most horrible, righteous people around. They do all kinds of horrible things but say it’s ok. god made them do it. You and Lori and chad have much in common. Poor deluded you.
This is the most gruesome horrible case I have ever heard. Poor babies 😥😥😥 I wonder what the monster Lori is thinking while this man is talking!!!!! HORRIBLE
She is completely detached and delusional! The few tears she supposedly shed, were an act imo... either that or she wiped a few tears away for herself!! I believe these pictures made her realize she's going down
I don't know if anybody else has noticed through this trial, but it seems like that alarm goes off when there's details spoken about the kids and specifically and more so Tylee. 😮
How many more concessions is this Judge going to give to the Defense? Looks like they are running the show for Lori. Sidebars etc audio visuals etc. I wish this circus was over and done with and Lori either euthanised or locked up until she no longer breathes the same air as the rest of us. As this goes on it becomes more difficult to contemplate the suffering of Tylee and JJ. May she suffer from lack of air like JJ. In prison she will be viewed as a child killer and suffer the consequences of prison justice.
The public SHOULD be able to view those photographs and the juriors SHOULD BE ABLE to see these photos in large format to view the incredible horrific death J J endured by that MONSTER....
I think they gave him NyQuil (which has alcohol as an ingredient) to knock him out. I believe Lori carried him over to Alex’s apartment where they killed him together. One put duck tape on his mouth and then held his arms down while the other put the bag over his head and duck taped it around his head.
With all the whispers that these sensitive mics pick up, at approx 36:20 does anyone hear the phrase "Chad's trying so hard to get in," like I heard with earbuds? Of course I don't know who is saying it and I could be wrong on exactly what is being said, but it happened right after the microphones stopped some really bad, eerie feedback. I thought someone may have been sarcastically saying it since Chad believes in "portals" and teleporting his being from place to place... Lol. 🙄😉 Good day all, hold your loved ones tight! ❤️
The defense attorney seems a little dense. And he's rude to the pathologist. He is trying and failing to discredit the doctor, but he managed to discredit his own self. Rude and dense is not a good combination.
I heard this before about the cross... so let's me get this straight... the defense has more knowledge based on Hollywood hmm to quote Trump YOUR FIRED!!
So What Dr Warren is telling us all, that the Children Where Drugged, What Discusting Coward Would do Such a thing?Only Evil Monster Work in Such Heinous Ways!!!!RIP 2 BEAUTIFUL ANGELS JJ👼⚘🙏🕊➕& TYLEE👼⚘🙏🕊➕
What would the defence object to colour photographs? That’s how those poor children were murdered … in full colour. Is he trying to somehow minimize the horror? He can’t fool anyone. In black or white or colour, the murders were real.
might be a stretch but i just started rewatching how to get away with murder and i’m overwhelmed with the creepy feeling that those idiots replicated sam keating’s death with poor tylee. episode 1:9 shows sam being bludgeoned, burned, dismembered and then put into black bags. idk why but after what we’ve heard abt alex, chad and lori; i can see them believing the show and it’s title could help them complete their mission. it’s really a tragedy to see a mom who can take part in such evil in the supposed name of god. may the lord bless and allow rest to tylee’s beautiful soul and for jj as well poor babies🥺
@@nonmihiseddeo4181I cant believe that's even an option.. especially in sudden deaths...terrifying that it came so close to never being determined what really happened to her..😣 hopefully justice will come soon..
Especially given how many people to whom Chad "prophesized" her death, how she had been suspiciously shot at from someone in a vehicle (she thought it was a paint ball gun?), her life insurance, and Chad's affair with Lori and all the "dark" ratings Chad was characterizing her as. Charles tried to warn her and reach out to her, but underestimated Lori's sociopathy and warned/threatened Lori that Charles would be contacting Tammy, so Chad and/or Lori likely were able to prebunk or intercept and delete some or all of the messages and contact efforts by Charles once he figured out Lori was sending fake emails to Tammy pretending to be Charles and others providing invitations of work and employment so that Chad & Lori could hook up without Tammy realizing what Chad was up to ...
Maybe the defense attorney was looking for a way to try and blame Co-Vid as the cause of death of JJ? Guess they have to grasp at straws… there’s absolutely no defense for these horrific actions!
I realize the defence is there to save the defendant so there job is to point things out, that maybe give her an out, an excuse etc etc But I really hate how he puts people down ,question their abilities and make sarcastic remarks! You can do the same thing without being a jerk! I’m hoping it works against the defence in the jurors minds. And I hope it’s not going to cast any doubt on Lori because I they let her go, or give her a minimal sentence, I think I give up believing in the USA ! He’s is questioning this coroners ability, and talks about methods that he “ got from the movies”! Yet no one is objecting ! How do you disagree on something that’s not even factual ? Yet no objections from the other side? Maybe they are so sure they got this in the bag,but we have seen others go free, while everyone knew they were guilty 🤷♀️ I just think they need to be more aggressive !
I don't understand why would it be inappropriate to view the photographs on the big monitor? It's the REALITY of what those two CHILDREN have been through, what SOMEBODY did to them!!!!!!!!!
I was waiting for the defence to ask: are you sure it was a white plastic bag? How do you know the bag used to be pink and turned white? Are you sure JJ is dead? Desperate, seriously inane questions. And then quoting a movie he saw as the expertise this experienced pathologist should have used instead of his knowledge. Insane.
Because of the apparent drugs used speaks to how premeditated JJs death was. I am sure Alex had used the date rape drug before.Lori would have planned this out asking Alex to supply her with this drug. I also think he gave it to tylee as I assume she was also raped by Alex.
