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Best video on these new laptops! Josh is in top form. Him and his team are showing the rest of the YT techreview sphere how it is done. Those rushed "reviews" released not long after midnight are pathetic compared to this.
I immediately installed Win 11 Pro and VS Code to my Vivobook that came today. It was a breeze, no hiccups at all. It took probably less than 10 minutes all in all (including a couple of VS Code extensions); much less than taking the laptop to use in the first place.
Probably this happened: Some devices come preinstalled with Windows 11 Home in S mode by the original equipment manufacturer. To increase security and performance, Windows 11 in S mode only runs apps from the Microsoft Store. If you want to install an app that isn't available in the Microsoft Store, or if you have Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise, or Education and want to upgrade to Windows 11, you'll need to permanently switch out of S mode. There's no charge to switch out of S mode, but you won't be able to turn it back on.
Hey Josh, great review! And good idea to put it all down in an article too. Quick article proofing: "Comparing similar laptops together Samsung's Galaxy Book4 Edge 16 with Snapdragon vs Book4 16 with Intel we see around 20% performance for similar power draw. Same with Lenovo's Slim 7x with Snapdragon vs Slim 7 with AMD Zen 4." ..20% performance *difference*
Appreciate the launch adding competition to Intel and AMD. But at the moment, the this product is still not fully developed / supported ... even for daily work
Thanks a lot josh (and your team) for being honest, everyone seems to hype them up like crazy. Appreciate the hands on experience, waiting for a shorter video though lol
Snapdragon laptops by Lenovo and HP might only support 2240 m.2 SSDs? Not 2280? ASUS and XPS appear to support 2280. Are 2240 m.2 drives limited to 2TB?
Josh if you get your hands on a surface laptop 7 can you tell us how it compares to a macbook air? All i care about is the touchpad being smooth and consistent, being able to use the laptop on a bed or couch and not having the vents block up when its on my legs or on the sheets. Also would be cool if you could check if visual studio will install for the coders, but no biggie.
It's great compared with the Air. I prefer it. I have it btw. Used it all day today. I will talk alot about how they compare on the big video I'm working on next week
The performance and efficiency is not mind blowing and there are a lot of compatibility issues. I think for most people it's better to wait for Ryzen Zen 5 laptops coming in 1 month.
or even lunar lake if absolute battery life is needed. Arm needs to mature more on windows. For not it does not seem to have a clear advantage in battery life and actually behind on GPU. difficult to justify a premium knowing this just for CPU efficiency that really was not a bottleneck.
Best strategy to wait until Black Friday this year. Then all new processors should be available and snapdragon should be better supported. So maximum competition, moet choice and best prices for consumers.
A really good effort. Good info. I absolutely get incensed with referring to graphics people as professionals. Excuse me. I’m a senior technology architect and developer. Am I not a professional.
Get intel or AMD. at this point. Watching this is like pulling teeth and failing at it. Its not even ready windows on ARM is like trying to teach a pig to do math.
Why did Microsoft/Qualcomm rushed to release these laptops? Clearly they are not ready. They should have taken more time to properly optimise Windows and give developers time to make ARM versions of their software. Having a half baked product on the market will just kill any hype these products have. My only thought is that they were trying to release before the new chips from Intel/AMD come out because they are afraid that these ARM chips will not be able to compete!
Oh dear guys, your struggle was amazing to watch. This is the only truly informative video on arm windows. I can’t wait for you to test vs and sql server for programming
Does it still have the Recall? cos copilot+ have it. It is not so safe for security right? capturing screen every 5 seconds. Btw there is a keylogging right? they are also capturing what is key on the keyboard too right? Can explain that too? Asking these cos of privacy and security issue on personal data. Especially if use the Co-pilot laptops for accessing to things which require password keying - it will be captured by Recall and the keylogging too. Hence hacker can abuse those setting even if it is disabled. Can advise on these too?
@@rano12321Does your browser or Apple intelligence take a screenshot of everything every 5 seconds? Also Microsoft data isn't secured. There are articles that how can it be hacked and it will have all your passwords too that you typed all your bank account information too..
@@EAC02 it will bring both your system AND you to the knees, especially if there's deadline looming over your shoulders. Absolutely unacceptable. They can't even optimise their own software for their own OS platform. Let alone hopefully integrating the full hardware & software stack someday...an unending series of disappointments.
@@EAC02 Any decently powerful productivity work you need to do with applications as yet unoptimised for ARM, I wouldn't rely on these to have your back. Its horrendously slow, probably due to the emulation overload. And who knows how many other code inefficiency issues. Its msft we're talking about after all.
Appreciate the late night review and tests - I've been holding off from buying a laptop until the ARM ones came out, but it looks like I might need to go with x64 sadly...
Josh, excellent video, this is the best most realistic first look video I've seen, really glad you're not jumping through qualcomm hoops and telling it the way you see it hands on. Clearly buyers need beware, don't jump in unless there's an admirable return policy, and pointing out both lunar lake and zen 5 are here already, wait to see what this actually brings to table compared to competitors. Everything I've seen hands on demonstrates this CPU loses to year old x86 cpus, without givving much more efficiency, it's not really something to look forward to unless you need something immediately and you just want to get away from intel and amd Glad you pointed out, if the user wants more than a couple of years from this they'll need more ram than the 2 year old standard of 16, standard for beyond 2024 is 32 gigs ram, standard in 2026 will be 64 gigs ram
Tonight, I'll try to boot an Ubuntu 24.04 on my Yoga 7 Pro - AMD R7 8845HS and let you know. I'd be surprised if it doesn't work. So far, ALL my previous laptop could boot a Linux live USB key created with Rufus. Have you tried to install Notepad++ and VLC Media Player on the Snap X machines? Also, what software would be potentially working to detect laptop hardware with ARM? HWINFO? Well done for the live stream! That's quite an intensive effort for the whole team. The fact that you were broadcasting "as doing" has revealed that for a regular user (not us), it's going to be very painful to use in the coming months and confusing. The third-party software providers - even big tech companies - are not providing an efficient experience for the users. Let see when Microsoft releases their big advertisement campaign about it (here in France, I reckon it might be later than in the US). Also, at the moment, the baked in Copiot AI is rather discrete ... a few features in the Camera App, some gimmick functionalities in Paint, a magic eraser in the Photo app ... Not that groundbreaking. By the way, what would be SUPER interesting - in a dedicated video - is a comparison of the Copilot features between the Core Ultra / AMD Ryzen that have integrated NPUs (like my R7 8845HS) vs. the Snap X. Does that make a big difference for the end user? Your Yoga AMD with the 8840HS HAS an NPU already ... just make sure you update the latest chipset drivers from AMD => AMD Support / Chipsets / Laptop Chipsets / AMD Ryzen Mobile. Then you will see, NPU will appear in the Task Manager.
Great review. Sadly, when compared to the marketing hype and general expectations of these new Snapdragon laptops, all I can say is... Wow... what a train wreck.
Dave2D just put up a glowing review video - honestly, he should have watched this one before release his. Just not covering enough corners like Josh's.
I havent watched 90% of stream but read the article and was surprised to read about the Chromium browsers. I have heard the opposite from many others, since Edge should be natively running on these chips. Very strange!
Love from india.. I will highly appreciate if u help me..want to buy a windows laptop out of lenovo yoga slim7x, surface laptop 7 15 inch or galaxy book 4 edge 16 inch.. which is best for long term use like 5-7 years.. casual office user (no gaming or creative work) . Need premium laptop alternative to mac. Ram 16 or 32gb(preferred for future proof) long battery & good display with good build quality . Android user. Good performance on battery with long battery life. I would have waited for review but don't have time...need to order within 24 hrs to bring it in india from USA
Qualcomm has not finished upstreaming support for the new SoCs. In May they announced a six month roadmap to reach parity and right now they have a reference Debian image that only works on they're reference laptop. So support is coming but not very soon.
2:08:38 Sums it up. "Do not buy these laptops now, they dont work" (because ARM software emulation on Windows is garbage) Embarrassing that these Qualcomm CPUs wont even run a lot of Windows applications because the emulation fails. Just stick to Intel and AMD based laptops, they are just as good hardware and work 100% as intended as they dont need to emulate, as they natively run x86. Dont spend $1000+ to be a beta tester for these broken Arm laptops.
Windows on Arm is the future. Nothing can stop it. Intel have to catch up or become the next Nokia. Performance on snapdragon is insane, same for battery life. Driver glitches will be corrected. Happens on all platforms on release even on Apple. Software list getting massively populated. Next 5yrs, x86 may be gone.
@@a675432100x86 isn't going anywhere. Lunar Lake is already addressing the power efficiency concerns without any of the compatibility issues / early adapter nonsense.
Stop this shit hype about ARM architecture being power efficient. If you exclude the process advantage (TSMC 4nm Snapdragon vs. Intel 4-7nm Meteor Lake x86), there's no advantage for these Snapdragon chips in terms of efficiency. The performance per watt for these chips isn't promising. The ARM efficiency hype is misleading and it comes from the smartphone industry since power optimization is essential there... Now you can say Apple - the amazing performance there isn't about ARM (RISC) itself, it's about the microarchitecture design, process node, and OS software optimized for the M series - which isn't the case on Windows laptops... With the new x86 processors - AMD Zen 5 and Lunar Lake/Arrow Lake, this Snapdragon is dead on arrival.
@@a675432100 don't know what you are smoking - thinking 20 years wintel software maturity can be achieved in a short 1-2 years？It's egg and chicken, if there are are not enough early adopters (buyers), then who is gonna spend time and money to fix the software glitches? You need a big army of win-arm developers to work out the kinks. The other thing is Intel and AMD offerings are good enough and priced right for majority of users. Let's see how the so-called battery efficiency stack against the upcoming AMD/Intel chips. So far, the performance is not something to be touted.
@@JustJoshTech yeah, but it all seems so so negative. I have this feeling that something is not right in the testing process. You talk about real world but I don't know man, it seems like you're testing it for failing.
@@BearMetro or maybe just too hasty that nothing seems to be working properly. They should take the time and run the tests properly without rigging it up for failure. I just lost all trust I had in Josh's testing process.
@@abhijith_mb It was an out of box experience more or less. If they were having so many issues with it maybe it'll enlighten those who are jumping into the new architecture without the realization of what the transition will entail. I think you're taking this way too seriously. Personally, I think this is better than being kept in the dark for several days. Getting a few first impressions can be helpful when making a choice on what to purchase. I suppose it's okay if you feel otherwise. I just think you're overreacting.
1:51:52 maybe they know a better way to install these programs?! You really think Microsoft and Qualcomm and Lenovo would launch a product with so much hype and not be able to download basic programming softwares?
My job is to report on what we are experiencing so my viewers can make the best purchase decision. Computers and the layers of software on them are extremely complex. Yes, it is very possible that they had a situation that slipped through their quality control
@@JustJoshTech yes there's that possibility. But look at the overall tone of the video, it's too negative, without even appreciating what just happened in the PC industry. That's what bothers me Josh.
Calm your shit. It’s a critical and unbiased test and first impressions. You want fake hype, go watch Unbox Therapy or any other reviewers that have sold themselves out. The harsh truth is that the Snapdragon processors are a good step forward, but it’s nothing impressive
@@adequatequality I was expecting a better first impressions dude. I don't want hyped up paid reviews neither do I want biased negative reviews. You don't get it do you? You have a very small sense of understanding what is happening in the PC industry. Better waste your time replying to someone with lesser knowledge than you.
Yes, unless you only use web browser and office; or you like troubleshooting app compatibility issues. Compared to this right now, Linux on x86 is much user-friendlier.
The summary is that Snapdragon X Elite powered devices are better than Macbook Air for light and medium tasks, and some heavy tasks that are ARM native.
This is exactly why Apple still rules the technology world and Iphones, Ipads and Macboooks are considered the pinnacle of consumer devices because they mostly does just work. All other are just following on the footstep of Apple ( even bad things like removing headphone jack, irrepairability, etc ).
i have a macbook air M1. my logitech mouse work like shyt on it. they say i should use the $80 apple magic mouse. nope. not paying $80 for a fckin mouse. my wireless tp-link wifi adapter? don't work. also only 1 video out compared to 3 output on the snapdragon. apple just work? work like shyt.
Hey josh ive mailed you multiple times but I think my nails aren’t reaching so please please please reply to my comment and let’s get in contact I believe I can greatly help with the whole edge computing process Thanks really appreciate a chance to speak on the topic
