LiveScope Perspective VS. Mega 360 - Garmin VS Humminbird 

Glad it helped!

Hope to do a Mega Live VS. video as well

Glad the video helped you out!

Agreed...on the water footage of the same object will really be huge. My intention was more to compare the technologies against each other. Of course on the water could either confirm my suspicions or prove me completely wrong!

My buddy has both on his boat. While the 360 is really nice, the Live Scope offers a big advantage to seeing what the fish are doing in real time. Lawren got it right when comparing image quality. They are two different technologies. The biggest downfall I see to the Live Scope is when you need to turn the TM which this video covered as well. I am putting the Live Scope on my boat next week.

👍 glad you liked it!

Yeah both are different and help in certain situations. LiveScope changes the way you fish for sure (and not saying that's a good thing, but it's true).

I think the best way to mount them is on another pole rather than the trolling motor. On most boats though this is an inconvenience as it ties up one hand to operate it.

I initially bought the livescope ice fishing bundle last fall. But I recently picked up kayak fishing for trolling for walleye. I also pole mounted the transducer and it works great. Today I updated for perspective view and made a bracket out of an aluminum bar. I haven't seen much video on perspective view and I'm curious how it's been working.

For sure! Can't wait for a motorized one

Thank you!

Thank you!!

Yes you could mount both on the trolling motor if it is an Ultrex. The Garmin Force or Lowrance Ghost don't have a mount you can buy out of the box, but I am sure something could be fabricated to run the "Ultrex Mega 360" on the Force or Ghost. I have a Minn Kota right now.

Thanks for the sub!

haha!

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by that time they will have superscope that find mermaid and atlantis.

All The fish will be caught bye then😭

Haha!

Thank you!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks for the kind words! I personally prefer the Garmin for their operating system over the Humminbird. Personally I wouldn't buy a Solix system as my main one because of how annoying they are to use. And I wouldn't buy a Helix system because they aren't touchscreen. I don't really like Garmin's menu system either as Lowrance's is by far the most well thought out menu. But they don't have the same sonar abilities of Garmin or Humminbird. Again this is all just my personal opinion and its not right or wrong, just my thoughts/feelings. Humminbird sells a ton of Helix units because there are a lot of people who disagree with me on touchscreen and prefer to have a non touch unit. In that case a Helix main system and a Garmin up front with Panoptix Livescope would work. Give me an apple phone and I find it so frustrating to use because the Android system makes more sense to me. The next guy will be the opposite. My recommendation is always to get to a store that has all the units on display so you can play with them. Then decide which technologies you'll use the most based on how you'll fish. My videos are always coming from a tournament/serious recreational bass anglers perspective because that's how I think. A walleye guy or a salmon trolling guy would be able to use the same units, just differently. Hope that makes sense :)

@@InDepthSonar I love touch screen in every way on every thing. Last year I bought the Solix12 and a Unterra112 because of the deploy and spot lock. During this winter here was getting the winter itch and I bought the 360 and mounted it hasn't been in the water yet. Then last week I bought a Solix10 because it was Si-Di G2 for under $1900 new in box. How I am thinking of selling the Solix12 and buy the Garmin. But I don't like standing for hours up front. Just getting to old. So placement might need to be all in back area some how This can be very indictive with all the toy options

Did you try this? I'm trying to think of the best way to rig my hobie adventure island pedal kayak. Live scope perspective view would be amazing.

@@anonymous_friend no I have not, but I didn't realize you could tilt the unit side ways. It might not be as effective in deep water but cruising around the bank in 12 feet or less water hunting bass would be amazing.

Humminbird/Minn Kota have really got the one boat network thing down. They do it the best for sure!

Agreed! One would be great, but both awesome! Glad you liked the vid!

Yes for sure! Great way to put it

I think Mega 360 for structure and LiveScope in forward or down mode is best. But putting both on your boat gets expensive so it is nice that Garmin has this option. And Mega 360 does a good job of marking fish, but just not in real time like LiveScope

Not yet. A foot of ice on the lakes still

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Glad it helped. Thanks for watching

If you don't mind the extra work/time a pole mount makes then it's a great option.

4knots will put you right in the ballpark to get a good image. If the boat is large you'll find it even if you are going faster. If it is a small boat (under 15') speed will be more crucial. Any of the units out there today will do what you need. Lowrance Active Imaging will give you the best detail over the largest distance. However, Humminbird and Garmin will provide you with the highest detail, but won't go as far as the Lowrance while maintaining detail.

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I agree...Lowrance has the easiest units to use these days

Agreed, however not convenient. That is why most bass pro's haven't adopted that setup yet.

Haha nice! That was Talladega 2009 when Jamie McMurray won. The fall race. Single file around the rim until the last 5 laps. I don't miss the COT at all :)

Totally agree! COT SUCKED!

That'll be a nice setup.

@@InDepthSonar thanks!

Yes seen the ghosting a few times. I think Humminbird has the best SI and DI. Garmin a close second with their new GT56UHD transducer

I like the idea of fishing being a different color like Raymarine and Lowrance did with their 3D

Thank you!

Humminbird or Garmin and you can't go wrong. Get the Mega SI+ or UHD for the best detail

@@InDepthSonar I went for the humminbird solix with the mega si+. Will arrive Friday. Looking forward to finding some lost treasure next week!

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Thank you!

Yes and not. Personally for bass fishing I don't find those practical so we're stuck with the trolling motor issue. However, if you can handle letting go of your rod to adjust the pole, then obviously it removes the issue I mentioned

Yes, but only when Mega 360 is connected to a Solix G2 and then it would be shared to the G1 over Ethernet

I would get a sonar/GPS first, then SideScan, then LiveScope, then 360. But it all depends on how you fish so your order may be different. Anything is better than nothing so if you get LiveScope over 360 its not a bad decision and if you get 360 over LivesScope that's not a bad decision. If you fish once a year both technologies are worth it, if you can afford it. It really comes down to how much you want to invest in it personally. You DO NOT need two units on the bow. I have run two before on several boats, but you can easily get away with one unit. I ran one unit on my last boat and it was an 8" screen and was enough for Panoptix, SideScan, GPS etc.

Livescope is really good for ice fishing. That's for sure.

Go Livescope for sure. It will be much more useful for ice fishing

Yes it will work great in those depths. Anything under 120' is fine from my experience, but the shallower the better but still more than 15' deep.

@@InDepthSonar Great.... Thanks

The Mega DI+ units will show SI with the Mega 360? I know the SI will do that, but seeing how this isn't a network source I would be surprised if that was the case. If it is that's great though!

I am in the market to upgrade..I bought a new boat Oct 2021..it came with a helix 7..I want 360 Down imagery and Side...I don't know enough to know What I don't know ..

You don't have to, but really the trolling motor is the most convenient place as it keeps your hands free. I personally know 1 person who has used a second pole and everyone else hasn't. So I don't think the majority is there yet.

You could be close to that budget if you did a pair of Helix 8 units and Mega 360.

@@InDepthSonar Thank you I very much appreciate the reply.

Yes its an option, but not really practical for a bass boat or tournament fishermen.

What brand had the remote control rods in testing? I've been waiting for this

@@InDepthSonar I'm not sure it has a brand name yet. My dad is a crappie fishing guide and he got offered to beta test it. I'll see if I can find out.

Yeah that would be awesome. I've been dying for that to come out

For sure! Definitely they way to go if you can only have one of them

If you’re not a tournament angler, Garmin is the way to go......but both is better

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I agree if it is detail you are after Humminbird is the way to go. They are the only ones that I am aware of that repair units as well. The others just replace so it can get expensive if past warranty. And Lowrance only services for 5 years after initial purchase. After that its "Nothing I can do for you!", which I don't agree with as well.

that would be big if they did

@@InDepthSonar its true

Which just means humminbird with come out with a live scope.

You could rig something up, but then you'll have to turn the entire kayak to point the transducer at a object. The over the side option is much better

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Why two LiveScope? Front and back?

Lawren Wetzel well, I tried that. Now I have both up front for a 40 degree cone, instead of 20. I primarily got it to have a back up.

I would put one in perspective and still might, but pretty convinced that mega 360 will me more useful

Nice! I like the idea for the 40° angle

Thank you!

Yes those mounts help for sure. I am waiting for a remote controlled one

Yeah... Read the comments for my thoughts on that. It's an option for sure though

The video (like all my sonar videos) are done from the perspective of a bass tournament angler so additional poles are practical to mount or use in that application. For other applications a pole may work, so for us the problem still persists

@@InDepthSonar I see Lawren. Fair call mate. Cheers

Thomas Bridges where’d you find the deal? I’m in the market!

@@kylecoen4689 I have a Solix 12 Mega Si-Di and thinking of selling it. It has 4 hours on it. You interested

Thomas Bridges that’s a little big in size for me unfortunately

Thomas Bridges where’d you find the 10?

Sell on of the solix units how much would you ask for one

hahah "weed catcher 5000". That is a downside for sure that is rarely talked about, but like you say, its worth it!

You'd connect it directly to the shaft of the motor below the water line

Can't wait!

@@InDepthSonar Lawren, as I currently have bow mount Mega-DI 3GN and dash Mega-SI 3GN, was looking at upgrading to Ultrex with possibly Mega 360. didnt know about Humminbird new product in March. Where can I get info on that product?

Jim, as I currently have bow mount Mega-DI 3GN and dash Mega-SI 3GN, was looking at upgrading to trolling motor to Ultrex with possibly Mega 360. didnt know about Humminbird new product in March. Where can I get info on that product?

Nowhere right now because there isn't much on it. Google Mega Live and you'll get the little that is known about it

Did you end up getting a Force TM? If so, any thoughts/review? I am going all Garmin graphs, but I found the Force TM foot pedal to be very tight/small. I have a size 12 foot...not massive...and my foot (in a deck boot) hang over the pad and accidently pushes buttons. Inadvertent button pushes can be dangerous, so it has given me serious pause on the Force. I might have to go Minn Kota due to the better (safer?) pedal. Unfortunately, I'd lose the networked boat. Tough call.

@@54Burg yes, got it. I'm a size 11.5 shoe. I can't use my normal big shoes very well. I either go shoeless, or I use a pair of Vans which have a small sole. Either works very good. Having the TM networked isn't much of a benefit for me. I've played with that, but I don't use it as networked when I'm fishing. In other words, I don't control my TM from the graphs. That just proved cumbersome. Though if following a contour line from the graph, it would be necessary. I decided I didn't need/want to do that. My only complaint with the Force is that when I spot lock, it backs up to where I was some seconds prior. It's annoying. To cure it, I hit spot lock, wait a few seconds, hit it again to turn it off, then turn it on again. That seems to keep it from backing up. My motorguide TM was much better with it's spot lock. I'll give the Force a B. It does not deserve an A.

That's the best setup for sure.

LOL yeah both are nice, but can be difficult on marriages haha

I'd do an echomap unit and the Livescope. It's the most versatile between the two.

@@InDepthSonar can you please give me some guidance on a unit I might invest in the Echomap I willing to invest $2300-2500 or do I even need to invest that much? I've looked at this bundle Garmin Panoptix Livescope LVS32 System with Echomap 93SV UHD & GT54UHD Bundle and I also have an XI5 trolling motor

Yes I know several people who are running both without a problem.

Nothing has changed between these two since the video was posted

That solves the problem, but not practical for tournament bass fishing at this point yet

No I'm in Ontario. Fish the Toronto area

Very cool! It's so awesome to see fish moving with both these systems

I believe there are some CMap cards that will work with the TI however everything I've seen the Navionics is better

@@InDepthSonar Thanks, I follow your channel and have learned some things about my TI.

It's possible you have a problem or the transducer isn't positioned correctly

You can do that now by mounting the transducer on a pvc pipe and not on the trolling motor. Seen a few videos where guys just do that and turn it to the directing they want.

It's an option for sure... But I'm not a fan of something the ties up a hand when you are fishing. This is where Garmin's gesture control remote could come in handy maybe?

Yes. Where bass fishermen put them

I think Mega SI from Humminbird is best today. I prefer Lowrance for their GPS and ease of use over the other brands. Their 2D sonar is also one of the best today

Yeah... Sorry lol

You'll be fine. There are many doing it without any issue.

Yes that's an option, but another thing to worry about controlling so not really practical for bass fishing

Yes

A pole is an option, but not to a tournament bass fishermen, which this video and all my videos are from that perspective.

Yes you can use the Mega 360 as your SI source, but you can't use it at the same time as 360 so it's one of the other. The MDI+ units won't show SI unless you have the Mega 360 plugged into a MSI unit which is networked to the MDI unit

It doesn't really matter. IF it is extremely muddy it may have a slight effect on the LiveScope, but Mega 360 would be fine.

Yeah, but that's not practical for a bass boat. It ties up another hand to move it so the issue remains for bass fishermen, who this video is meant for

That shouldn't change...in fact it should be better when you are stationary on the 360. The LiveScope will give you just as good an image, but when you are moving there will be more things changing on the screen (because its updating) and could appear to give you an easier to understand image

They tried to follow Humminbird with their SpotlightScan transducer. It failed. Now they are trying to follow Garmin with their LiveSight transducer...again same results as SpoltlightScan. Hopefully they can begin to innovate again very soon.

Main reason I wouldn't do Humminbird as a main system is because of their user interface. Helix units are not touchscreen and Solix units are not intuitive. I personally don't really like the Garmin user interface either as I find Raymarine Lighthouse III and Lowrance HDS units the easiest to use and navigate through. But those two don't offer all the things Garmin does sonar wise.

@@InDepthSonar I'm considering buying a boat with a set of the best equipment for fishfinding but I'm not willing to invest too much in two vendor set. So I prefer Humminbird Solix 10" + Mega360 + Minn Kota Ulterra to alternative Garmin based solution with Livescope. What will be your choice if you need to choose one solution?

@@InDepthSonar Btw, check this out: theese guys from Ukraine produced 360 vision transducer compatible with Lowrance Еlite Ti/Ti2 HD’S gen2touch-gen3-Carb-Live :) Very similar to what Mega360 is doing

I'd still go Garmin.... In fact I'd go Lowrance over a Solix. I personally don't like them and find them really annoying to navigate through. That's just my opinion though and doesn't mean they are bad units. I just don't find them intuitive... They remind me of an iPhone where nothing is as easy as Android

I'll check that out. A guy here in Canada was doing something like that too

Its a great choice!

Right!!!

You can record the data on the Garmin unit with the Garmin Helm app on an Android phone or Tablet

@@InDepthSonar, thanks a lot!

Garmin Livescope LVS34가 최고입니다. 그러나 XR이라고 하는 새로운 것이 나올 수 있으므로 기다리십시오.

@@InDepthSonar 그렇군요. 답변 감사합니다. (Thanks ..for your reply. )

Problem is more bank, canoe, etc fishermen aren't going to spend $5000 on electronics. Ice fisherman have really been the only exception to this, where a person who doesn't own a boat, still buys a highend system

Lawren Wetzel , maybe thay can make the graph with just panoptix function and portable, it would be more cost friendly then, do you think thay would consider this thought

@@outdoorsman9384 They have already done that with the LVS12 transducer that nobody bought. Problem is to reduce cost you have to reduce quality (of sonar I am referring to) and people generally don't want that. So people either pay or don't

Lawren Wetzel still think they would sell a ton of just panoptix mode graphs on a portable setup for a fair price, so that lower budget boys could get in the game, but who knows , maybe there like politics , thay don't want blue collar boys walking with there chin up

What would a fair price be I guess?

The maximum useable distance is going to be about 80'. It can go further but that is more realistic of the max you'll ever get useful information at.