Living History with Karen Westbrook Scranton 

" living with that for the rest of their lives" much easier then everyone in the limo for sure

There usually the worst witnesses.

@@jl3322 wdym?

Agreed 💯👍

You're attracted to grandmother's?

@@colonelreb1014 You aren’t?

@@truthof7382 sounds like your preference. But I'm not judging bro. You still live with your parents and never been laid so it's totally understable if you wanna bang the only woman that ever gave you a hug (Your Granny)

She surely aged well. Must be the water.

@James Barlow you grow up ma'am

She seems very rehearsed. Fagin orchestrates every interview to suit his agenda.

Not that pretty but if you need to appease

I agree with you Andy...she's very pretty, well spoken and very classy

The first shot not only missed the limousine, it nearly missed the entire street.

Wonderful Lady, understands her place in history and stepped up to fill it. Most people today would turn a blind eye.

I stood behind the wooden fence on the knoll .. and felt I could have pegged an occupant of the car with an egg sized rock. The X mark on the road is so immediate., It would be professional malpractice if there was a hit squad to NOT locate there. Perfect escape route while intimate to the target.

@@donofon1014 good points and the crowd was sparse by the time of the head shot. A shooter had time to make a quick escape before the crowds rushed the knoll.

The snipers nest was staged!! The shots never came from the 6th floor of the TSBD. I’ve been to Dealey Plaza too & the Sixth Floor Museum and their agenda is to sell LHO did the shooting from that area. Unfortunately it’s all false!!

Most witnesses never did book deals...

@Carl Ferrigno You were smart to avoid that stupidity.

Sad but true, we went from politicians and government agent's we believable to the mask came off and they lie like mob gangsters.

Jimi was playing Purple Haze in 67.

Blame the Beatles for that - Ed Sullivan Show 9th Feb. 1964.

And risk infringing upon the narrative that Oswald acted alone. Nope, We cannot have that. Please do not entertain such thoughts of fancy lol.

He smirks as he shapes her rehearsed responses. His job is to support the government’s official line denying a conspiracy. He’s a puppet, not a truth-seeker.

@@r.c.miller6161 BINGO

Very interesting

Your absolutely right the facts say that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it

@richie r. - it was JONNY QUEST pal, HADJI on a bad turban day

​@@rickyrick1966 Yeah he did I saw him

Yes, she certainly looks great.

What's her secret?

I agree...I am an old guy-75, and do not like to look at women my age!...but she looks very nice indeed.

She said she went to college to get away from being a typest

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yes @ 9.o9 there is old mr Rubinstein ..

@@gregorybathurst4326 mr Rubinstein .. Coo coo - ca-choo Mr. Rubenstein, Jesus loves you more than you will know, whoa whoa whoa

Unfortunately the detail is wrong. There was no "roll-call". The 2nd floor lunch room was not for laborers (can you really imagine African-American "porters" in 1963 Dallas sitting down for lunch with decent god-fearing white collar white folks? No? Correct. Never happened. Those same African-Americans to a man all testified that Oswald ate in the "domino room n the 1st floor with them. Additionally they listed his reading material during lunch as the Dallas Morning News - not the commie literature hinted at in this interview. At some point it was stated she still works in that building and reads everything she can on the assassination. Was she biased and influenced? Sure looks like it. Mr. Fagin needs to man up and admit these interviews are not "history" - they are propaganda.

Thomas: Ignore this ROKC nut case...He comes from a lunatic website known as ROKC that puts itself before witnesses who were there and has the balls to correct them in order to make their bullshit theories work...Don't take him seriously...They are a nut group...Westbrook is mistaken about the woman she is calling Gloria Calvery right next to her...Other photos Fagan doesn't show Westbrook prove the woman is actually either Karen Hicks or Gloria Jeanne Holt...ROKCevents obviously isn't well...No black people were involved...Manager Roy Truly was Intel connected and a right-winger so intelligence agent Lee Oswald was allowed to eat in the 2nd floor lunch room as real witness Westbrook testifies...You can see the nutty logic ROKC tries to deny the original witnesses who were there with...ROKC ignores where Westbrook confirms Mrs Reid seeing Oswald emerge from that lunch room with a Coke...These are not honest people...

Thanks Exiles. Sounds to me like someone’s entire worldview is about to come crashing down...

A sign of lack of anything else to throw (such as the occasional fact) is the hurling of insults at the messenger. My "worldview" is immaterial. My view on this case is as stated... conspiracy theories are as phony as the Warren Commission report and the only sensible way forward is showing that Oswald's alibi was valid or was not. You know... like it is done in real life cold cases all the time. That view on this case is informed by actual research into the life and times of Oswald and a complete deconstruction of the day of the assassination. But if that is not to your liking, your new friend Brian has an entertaining theory about a Hungarian refugee boy and his mother whom looked like Lee Oswald and his mother respectively. This refugee mother and son were then roped in by the CIA to merge and mesh their lives with the real Lee and Marguerite so that one day in the years to come, the boy could completely take over as Lee Oswald and be sent to the Soviet Union as a false defector. By the latter half of 1963, the real Lee Oswald was busy helping to set up the fake Lee Oswald to take the fall for the assassination (in this theory, the REAL Lee Oswald was the assassin). So not only does Brian believe that the 2nd floor encounter happened as the Warren Commission said, he believes Oswald was indeed the shooter. Somehow though, he manages to stuff the WC turkey.... with an even bigger turkey... Brian stalks me and others whom he perceives have plotted against him in having him barred at nearly every assassination forum on the web. But good luck with him and be aware.. if you ever upset him, you too will be on his stalking sh*t list.

No need for flowery language...There were two Oswalds in the Depository because Roger Craig saw one and Frazier saw the other...Mrs Reid probably saw Craig's...The 2nd floor encounter happened according to the real witnessing and it exonerates Oswald when you combine it with Carolyn Arnold's witnessing...It is ROKC that denies Carolyn Arnold and therefore teams with the Commission...You're lying and nowhere have I ever said Oswald was the shooter...That's a lie and you will not be able to produce any quote from me saying that...(Thomas - this is why ROKC is a nut group that shouldn't be taken seriously)...

plainly she was brain washed later by all the stories she heard later JFK was shot 3 times and one missed simple math atleast 4 shots were fired i think the head shot came from the manhole gutter in front of JFK that may be why she only heard 3 shots im posative the head shot came from the front hearing the Drs interveiws on this channel is 100% PROOF JFKs head was blown out in the back there was a hole big as a fist the autopsy photo doesnt show a hole in the back of JFKs head so this proves the Warren commission coverd it up and many many more other things it is treason to cover this up We The People want the truth

@Nobby Barnes I cant go back to something I never did Dumb Fuck

@@EJ-74 -Good point you made. There was so much psychological pressure afterward to conform one's thinking to the official story ,when so many heard and saw something else.

@TermsofService The problem is that there is so little solid or credible evidence. They claim that three shots were fired, but they have only one and a half bullets. Of those, the only whole bullet they have has a less than ideal chain of custody. I understand how that can happen, but if I'm being fair to all possible ideas, I admit that the chain of custody on the bullet found on the stretcher at the hospital is questionable. Otherwise, we have a third bullet that disappeared into nowhere. I am very skeptical of the idea that this bullet went directly from Oswald's rifle to the curb by the triple underpass. The bullet would have retained enough energy in those 160 yards that the bullet would have caused more damage to the curb and likely sprayed fragments into James Tague's pants. You simply can't reference "solid, credible REAL evidence" when you're missing one and a half bullets for your theory and one of the one and a half bullets has a questionable chain of custody. If this happened today, the police would have parked two patrol cars at the corner of Elm and Houston and stopped all further traffic on Elm Street. On that day in 1963, they reopened Elm Street as soon as the motorcade passed. Regular traffic was driving along Elm Street ten minutes after the shots were fired. If this happened today, the police would have put crime scene tape all around Dealey Plaza and made a thorough, careful, detailed sweep of every square inch of pavement and grass. People on every side insist that doing that kind of search wouldn't have changed anything, but that's just stupid. Unless someone takes the time to look, no one knows what would have been found. On the day after the assassination, a guy found a piece of the president's skull in the grass on the south side of Elm Street. In a worthwhile investigation, crime scene technicians would have found and documented that piece of skull fragment. The excuse that they just didn't understand forensics back then isn't credible. I'm not blaming them for what they may not have known, but as we look back at history, we have to evaluate by what we know today. When that look back shows sloppy work, we need to accept that evidence may have been lost. People are welcome to believe that more valid evidence would only have reinforced Oswald's guilt as the sole assassin, but without that evidence, they are just projecting their beliefs onto the evidence instead of letting the evidence guide their beliefs. When they examined the limousine, they found bullet fragments on the floor of the front seat. They also found a crack in the windshield and a dent in the chrome on the frame above the windshield. For the fragments to be found where they were and for the damage to the car to be where it was, the bullet fragments had to have hit the windshield and the chrome and bounced to the floor at Agent Kellerman's feet. That's two bullet fragments hitting parts of the car less than three feet from him and passing within inches of his legs and feet. When those bullets hit the windshield and chrome would be important evidence, but neither Agent Kellerman nor Agent Greer (the driver) mentioned bullet fragments hitting anything in the reports that they wrote that night. The point is not that this omission is part of some kind of conspiracy. The point is that in the fear and confusion of the moment, they didn't notice something that would be important evidence. That's normal for people in those situations, but that also shows how unreliable much of the evidence is. The Bugliosi and Posner types insist that Oswald's leaving the book depository is evidence of guilt. What they ignore is that the cab driver testified that as Oswald was sitting in the cab waiting to start, an older woman walked up to the cab to see if he was in service. Oswald opened the door and was getting out of the cab to let the woman have the cab when she insisted that he keep the cab. If I've just taken a shot at the president, I'm not going to offer the getaway cab to another person for any reason. Yes, Oswald could have easily gotten to the second floor break room before Officer Baker got there and not been out of breath. On the other hand, both Officer Baker and Roy Truly were looking for an assassin. If anything in Oswald's demeanor had suggested a consciousness of guilt, they wouldn't have just left him standing there in the break room. If you're like most people who make these kind of insistent declarations on any side of the question, you aren't capable of understanding enough to see any way that you can be wrong. I don't really write this to you. I write this to others who might be following the conversation and want to understand how weak the evidence is for every theory of what happened.

TermsofService what about the magic bullet, how did it move through the bodies in such an odd manner?

Agree. I also think she falls victim to having told the same story for so many years, the scary part of human memory. It's incredibly faulty and subject to influence. We change it based on what we hear from others, see in video, make up out of many reasons too numerous to list. A memory (especially after 60 years) is a generality. Imagine taking 6 seconds of your life - at any given time - and being asked to dissect it, explain it and go over it as much as she has. Both officially and unofficially, both under oath and casual conversation...when you weren't prepared to remember those 6 seconds ahead of time. BAM! Something randomly happens and you're asked a half century later to bare witness to those 6 seconds. Impossible. 6 seconds. I'd even suspect that she doesn't have much of any true recollection of the event beyond generalities. No way the later stories, lore and such doesn't change your memory of those 6 seconds. At the point this video was made she probably only retains the vague outlines of truth in happening. She even alludes to this about Lee himself. She says that only after did everything about him seem to come together. The truth is probably that she didn't think much about him at all. She was an 18yo girl and Lee was an early-20s loner (by her account). Her true relation to Oswald was probably very light gossip and mockery with the other young women at work. Nothing. Had JFK never been killed she probably wouldn't even remember him at all. Again, she can't even recall who was with her by the road on that day. Surely a woman she saw and interacted with 100x more than Oswald...and she doesn't know who the last woman is. So imagine how little Lee meant *before* the event. He was maybe the talk of light gossip among girls. Maybe. Still, probably not much even then as he's just a guy she worked around (again, not even coworkers but simply in the same massive building). I'll end by just saying that human memory is notoriously and predictably bad. Test after test shows that we both lose information and accuracy with time, but, more importantly, we add false information with time. We change our relation to aspects of a memory with time. Meaning we attribute into memory things we *want* or *wish* to have happened, both subtle and major things. We often change the narrative entirely to suit both how we wish we were in the moment and other info gathered after the fact. So now take that fact of human nature and attribute it to 6 seconds in the life of an 18yo girl. Yes, 6 seconds that changed history but still just 6 seconds of her life that took place over a half century ago. It's gone with the wind. Her story of that day, those 6 seconds in particular, cannot reasonably be asked to be more than a very generalized telling. That's the scary part about memory.

My whole life 11 seconds was not used in any of the many test fireing when did that change

@@markcooper9063 I always heard 6 seconds. It changed, right?

Thats a very good question! I wondered about that too, especially since she was standing with the 'zombie- like' people that wasnt clapping and waving when the car came by, like they were in the downtown area.

Great question!! Maybe she mistook lee for harvey? Mmmmm.

"What's wrong with keeping to yourself ?": what's wrong is not so much that as it is the shooting Kennedy part.

The safe contains The Secret Files that Exonerates Oswald, along with all the names addresses and phone numbers of the real assassins, along with actual rifles, pistols shell casings and bullets the real assassins used that day. There. Is that what you wanted to hear? 😂

@@radar0412 Nice thoughts. I was thinking the safe might contain clues as to what the “Depository” building was really used for. Possibly storage for the flotsam and jetsam that corrupt “officials” sucked out of Dallas. Honest Joe’s Pawn shop was probably on the bottom rung of the ladder that included “estates” of dead Dallas residents. Maybe drugs came into Texas here. Guns, porn...Vice. The Depository was another job Lee Harvey Oswald had and like in New Orleans he was doing something...not just stacking school book boxes.

Aaron Paterson: What a steamy little pile of conspiracy-promulgating BS.

You've been reading cheap, unreliable stories and choosing to believe them - that's your tough luck.

@Etchemin :You wish to base your case for conspiracy on a single outlier ear-witness who says she "heard things?" The pro-conspiracy engine, always running primarily on fumes, has sputtered to a standstill.

She heard the shot coming from behind her but the building is standing forward left of her.: No, it isn't. Look at a map or something of the area.

Dont forgot he escaped jail and traveled to fbi to put his palm print on the rifle.concidering the first time it was tested, it had no prints then majically later found entire palm print they missed.then Oswald broke back in jail without being discovered.

Seven floor s to the building...

And the people of this Country let our corrupt GOVERNMENT FRAME OSWALD. AND COVER UP THE REAL TRUTH. AND THEN ALSO 911. NOW WE HAVE COVID 19. HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS AWESOME COUNTRY GONNA LET THINGS LUKE THIS HAPPEN 😞😞

So by her account, the back of jfks head exploded, ie exit wound.

@@stevenrobert3681 "So by her account, the back of jfks head exploded, ie exit wound" I did not hear her say the "back" of JFK's exploded, or any word or words of similar meaning such as "rear." At c.22:45 I hear her saying "I will remember seeing the President's head explode," without making any reference to which part of his head exploded. Now, admittedly she does at the same time put her hand over the right side of her head behind her ear, but that's still not quite the same thing as her specifically saying the rear of his head exploded. Is there another place in the video where she specifically said it was the "back" or the "rear" of his head exploded, and if so, how many minutes into the video is it? Thanks. Also, even if she did say it, her statement would be at variance with a larger number of witnesses who also saw the head shot from the north side of the street as she did, and who said it was the right side of his head that exploded, not the rear, exactly what we see in the Zapruder film. Bill and Gayle Newman, Marilyn Sitzman, and even Abraham Zapruder himself all side it was the right side of his head that exploded.

"How did he get out of the book building and not be stopped by anyone who was there and": An employee steps out of the building that he works in, maybe casually drinking a sody pop and not looking guilty. There were lots of people around the entrance and other people were in the building too. It's not like everyone knew right then exactly where the shots had just come from. Oswald wasn't wearing a t-shirt that said "I just shot Kennedy, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt'.

@@peterfraser9070 Exactly--lol

how could he be convicted without a trial?

NOT EVEN slight SHADING ?

@@artemuspyle4860 convicted in the media and killed like a dog.

@@jenniferwise8515 True that. Not that it wasn’t deserved, Oswald was a nasty piece of work.

Because he killed Tippit and Kennedy that day, injured Connally, and attempted to kill General Walker earlier that year. He is Guilty as sin. Unfortunately Ruby took away the chance of him being convicted and sentenced to death as he surely would have been.

I grew up there in Dallas. I was there as a 4 year old that day. But it was fairly common and easy in Dallas to be employed as a Junior in High School. After high school it was easy to get a job for permanent employment there. I left and joined the service to get the GI Bill so I could get my degree

Many of us Boomers did something like that, even though joining the service could be a deadly choice, thanks to the crazy war inViet-Nam...four of my 1965 HS classmates went over and did not come back....I stayed in college for four years, but still had to join the service (the draft), or make my own choice--I went Navy.

"Did the limousine actually stop?": it's incredibly clear that the limo did not stop; maybe slowed a little, but did not stop. That's an Oliver stone type theory.

@@peterfraser9070 True...some people saw the sun, reflecting in the tail lights, and thought the brake lights lit up...the car never stopped, but did slow down very briefly, then sped up quickly...Agent Hill nearly fell off the back!

No, the limousine did not stop. I’m sure she would have mentioned that. Even if it did, what does that prove? That the driver was part of a conspiracy? Obviously you don’t need to stop a vehicle to get shot. The fact is that Kennedy was shot, and plenty of people have been shot and killed in moving vehicles.

Who was Dark Complected Man ? Was he a signaller to Snipers ?": Who was who and was he a what now??

What do they have to signal for? The car and the president was in plain view. Oswald had a scope on his rifle.

@@normagrimstad8869 To signal that all shots would be fired at as near the same times as possible and also as a distance marker for the snipers. ~ ~ JFK was Not going to survive = = no way.

Cuban spotter

Yes , but notice the book writers & other interviewers wanted her to say 4 or 5 ! Great point about the shots from behind. I'll bet the sounds can really echo a bit there.

She was standing in front of a huge road sign which could possibly blocked out any sound from the other direction.

Look at a big view of Dealey Plaza - like at the start of the above video - and think again.

You have quite the over-active imagination, which comes from reading exciting stories.

@@peterfraser9070 You say? Aaaah poor Americans....., you are a nation of powerful people and then you let yourself be fooled by the official truths they tell to give answers to such important facts. Blessed are you who still believe in fairy tales, without raising the slightest doubt about how some events in history went. I advise you to read up on better.

@@vincenzodangelo127 Try paragraph breaks.

@@peterfraser9070 Explain yourself better, please.

@@vincenzodangelo127 Dividing what you write into paragraphs makes it easier to read, is what I meant. Were those guys using guns that make the bullets fly sideways? The bullet that hit Connolly's back entered sideways, because it had been tumbling when it exited Kennedy's throat. In the Z Film we see Connolly's sudden movement at the same time Kennedy's arms go up. Look again.

Yes...Sadly, I have a son, who shows signs of being a loner, who has sociopathic thoughts...No real friends, etc...he, like so many of his ilk, lives through his many hours on the computer.

you loons are hysterical.

@@sixslinger9951 Who are " You loons " ?

@@ultrasignificantfootnote3378 if she turns to her right as the car goes by, lo and behold, the TSBD is behind her

"t truly is crazy the witnesses allowed to talk compared to people with different opinions!": That's just a myth you got from a cheap CT book

This particular witness had the assassination happen right on top of her. I'd think we should people who were actually there more time, rather than people like you and me who weren't there don't you think?

The phones went dead??? Wow. Isn't that odd, suspicious, and convenient for a high level plot to kill a president?

@@jamesmeadow9206 prob an overload of phone calls,same happened on 9/11 ,not surprising.

@@jamesmeadow9206 I read the power was cut off to the building.

@@shernitadee "I read the power was cut off to the building": I read the same book. It also said there was a Roy Truly double; and it must be true because one went with officer Baker inside the building, yet the other was photographed in front of the building.

To prevent people bearing their testimony of what happened and who was where. Oswald was on the first floor. The Warren Commision refused statements that confirmed where Oswald was.

The electricity was shut off in the building.

What's his name?