Lobotomy: A Dangerous Fad's Lingering Effect on Mental Illness Treatment | Retro Report 

Grenzer 23 😂😂

LOL I was just thinking "What the hell kind of doctor dreams up a brain surgery by looking at a prison shiv?!?"

I agree😬

@Tyler Tyler -You can say that again, lol.

@Grenzer 23 Sharon Stone.

The latter. That's exactly right. Her father thought shed disrupt JFKs political career and didnt like the fact that she was sexually active smh

Taylor Ashleigh exactly what I thought

Taylor Ashleigh "she couldn't talk politics at the table."

Joshua Traffanstedt But yet there was the scandal of the Kennedy Brothers & Marilyn Monroe...

Rosemary should not have had that treatment. She had some mild brain damage from her brain being deprived of oxygen at the time of her birth, (the doctor was called and told the nurse to hold/keep the baby in the birth canal as HE WOULDN'T GET FULL PAYMENT FOR THE BIRTH if Rose Kennedy had the baby without him present), but Rosemary never was, and should never have been, an obvious candidate for this procedure. A lobotomy, for God's sake!!

Felipe M. you think the rise in depression is real ?

@@mrijk1946 Not really people are mixing up emotions with chemical imbalances. Often mentally ill people don't realise they have anything wrong with them. I was diagnosed with ocd and I thought it would never happen because I had such a warped idea on what it was. It's like oh this isn't normal right? but you don't really bring it up to anyone. You'll constantly think of suicide, self harm turn to drugs maybe even etc. Yet a lot of us can't see it. I thought I just had high functioning depression. Came out with ocd, BPD and Bipolar and had experienced delusions and psychosis had no idea.

@Anomic Anchorite I'm not American so I can't relate to a lot of what you said. We don't advertise medication in my country lol it's taboo as hell and I'm in a 3rd world Country to btw only our main urban areas have access to help. I don't understand how one can advertise meds for depression etc it makes no sense

TRUE

Eve Lyn it used to be illegal to advertise any prescription medication here in the USA not just psychotropic meds. It was okay to advertise over the counter meds like aspirin or cold remedies but not prescription. I’m old enough to remember when this was challenged. The debates/arguments were contentious. Eventually the advertising side won. So now I’ll be watching tv or reading a magazine and get an ad about a drug I’ve never heard of to help with a condition I don’t have. I suppose it makes the hypochondriacs happy. Drives my doctor and his colleagues nuts since they get asked about drugs their patients simply saw on tv.

Got some statistics to cite? Links?

Who: www.wondersandmarvels.com/2016/12/race-gender-selection-patients-lobotomy.html

@@BradPwnsU True. It is an anomaly whether it sounds bad or not.

@@BradPwnsU , diversity in sexuality is NOT a mental illness! Just as being left handed isn't a mental illness!

@@BradPwnsU - Ummm... says who?

She was a victim of her mother being instructed to sit up when the baby was crowning. Oxygen deprivation caused her disabilities. The Doctor would not get paid if he was not present when the infant was born. The Medical profession got away unscathed.

agreed

@@ecnash8272 wtf that really sucks

Indeed it doea! @@YurimoHikashi

Or just developmentally challenged and never going to be up for the high caliber of kennedy dinner conversation but still able to have a functioning life.

LOL I feel the same way I don't know why I started this video.I'm literally laying in bed thinking how am I going to fall asleep now, needless to say I didn't finish the video.

asian dude cause veterans, sick people and mentally ill people had ice picks shoved into their brain through their eye

I thought it was just me

Jeez.. I was beginning to think I was alone.. I can't even finish the video

@Frances Christine this has nothing to do with Religion you moron if you said this in 1950 you would've been LOBOTOMIZED 😂😂

What the fuck is this interaction going on in this comment chain. I'm just trying to watch a mini documentary on lobotomy

Areksha Chan that is such a fucking mood

wtf, I check on this comment after a hot minute and people are looking to hookup in the replies?

Emily Wass And pretending no one knows about Belgium? I’m so confused lmao

When did they do lobotomies to non-mentally ill people or color just because they weren’t white in the 1900’s or even at all? Don’t mislead people

how could if it is inspired by a saw at the garage 😂😭😂😭

No normal person has a ice pick in there kitchen drawers

davey Konijnenberg Back then they did, well a good number. Ice makers weren’t really a thing in fridges so they had ice blocks and chip away at to get chunks of ice.

Honeybee, yes, that caught my attention, also. It's a good thing he didn't spot the wine corkscrew first.

davey Konijnenberg I do. I use it for the normal things you would use an ice pick for, like breaking ice cubes out of ice trays, cutting things, claiming lives, you know, the usual.

Is that true? What were these 'siblings' doing all the time that she was in an institution (if what I read is true?) that this was until their father got ill & said where she was, that they'd been told she was 'mentally retarded' but hadn't(?) been to see her(?), Rosemary was then about 43? Had they 'forgotten' about her all that time, or what?

@@jennyhughes4474 they didn't know where she was or what happened to her. her mother didn't know either. I can't remember what they were told, but it was only after their father died that they were able to find her again.

@@helenafarkas4534 What, her mother 'didn't know' = you saying everyone let her father not tell them ehere she was (or they didn't ask?), none of them made enquiries around to try find her? All sounds very fishy to me...

@@jennyhughes4474 I don't know any more details than that. the dad was a piece of work, and once the operation happened, he made Rosemary disappear. presumably they asked, but he stonewalled them, and as patriarch of the family, they couldn't force him to tell them anything. it was only after he died, and they went through his papers that they found her.

@@helenafarkas4534 That's so terrible. I know how it feels to not be able to get people (guilty doctors) to tell me things I want/need to know & refuse to answer my questions (stonewalled) - except with lies, it HURTS so much. It isn't often that secrets are good - and even if they are supposed to be (may be/are) often the answers+ come after huge delays = way too late...

To be fair, I've had headaches bad enough that I've wanted to do that myself! Of course, I've always had this little thing - I think it's called "common sense?" - that stops me :p

@Frances Christine thanks i will try it

In his defense, it did help the headaches.

@andrewwakefield

Just look at Dr Richard (Rachel) Levine No problem with butching young boys, No one seems to say anything And women whom live with the memories of abuse he is happy to allow men into our bathrooms and spaces to force us to relive our nightmares Nothing changes

He was an old school Fauci

Kind of like doctors who do gender affirming surgery today.

(Name a scientist who _wasn't_ concerned with his own notoriety and fame, especially today.)

imagine the things today that are labeled as science that we are told to just blindly follow

@@stitches318 true

Trotsky had a ice pick in his brain and it didn't cure him.

Bro-science

Its sad to imagine the last lobotomies were done only 50yrs ago...

Thanks for sharing that information I was diagnosed with IBD when I was 9 years old I just turned 37 a couple months ago

I have a question, how would the disconnect brain tissue after the lobotomy not affect a persons health? If that brain tissue is cut and removed from the thalamus it is no longer receiving blood supply or oxygen, how does that part of the brain not rot inside the persons head?

@@orangutank626 you know that's a really interesting question. One of the amazing things about the human body is that the brain is not connected to anything but the spinal cord. When something is cut out somehow it still continues to survive. The brain is the most amazing thing on our world. We honestly may never figure out how it works.

Since when has IBS been considered psychosomatic?

It's sort of like lnfant clrcumclslon.

Lisa bartelli try magic mushrooms

I’m a chronic migraine sufferer. And I’m not that dumb to believe the next fad.

Francine Jones Back then they didn’t have a choice. Now we have medicine that is FDA approved and Doctors who have to follow strict codes. And if you were a woman probably didn’t have access to such knowledge except the advertising in magazines.

Apparently lobotomies help genetic pulmonary TB. Or so my great grandfather's doctor thought before being thrown by a 6 foot Irish immigrant out the door.

Yes she was 😔

agree with that

??????? Huh?! Define beautiful.

She was a beautiful girl but. Average beauty not insanely.

@Austin Gerhardt: Pun not intended?

There is no evidence Howard Dully had anything except for a sociopathic step mother and a loser, pushover father.

He also lost his mother and was being tortured by his stepmother who hated him. But of course Dr. Freeman didn’t even take that into consideration

Clown World YOU ARE A CONFUSED MENTAL CASE

Lisa Harbers lol

Lisa Harbers lol 😂😭😂

That's not far from the truth! The dude was obsessed with giving them!

Alyx : "you don't have the degree gordon".

but Lobotomy *IS* the ONLY cure for sneezing¡ by the way: you spelt "psychopathic butcher' wrongly

I saw that very saying on a Keychain when I was a kid in the 90s. Never forgot ...because I remember asking my mom what it meant

Huh ?!

Sarcasm

Hahaha

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🤣🤣🤣🤣

Exactly.

They still should.

Yeah, but he performed these until 1967! I was 10 years old then.

Now doctors just perform irreversible experimental surgeries on people's genitals.

@@MrsMacWifey Or give pills withouth really knowing what the longtherm effects are..😑

Now we just abort children

yes then i wouldnt come out the mental hospital if he was my doctor😂😂😂

Awkward Athena lets be honest, people were thrown in asylums for premarital sex... I’m sure you’d be in the loony bin.

Agreed. If I did t die giving birth(which 49 years ago I would have) for sure I would have been locked up and honestly most likely lobotomized

@Awkward Athena - Brain chemistry issues can be a bitch. I suffer with Depression & anxiety. I've watched many a documentary from the last century & have always come away from it thanking God that I was born during the age of anesthetics, antibiotics & pain medication. >__

Did you get PTSD from twitter?

Gunnar Marr darling you need to reread what she wrote and do it slower. She knows she had PTSD. It is autism that she is not entirely certain of which makes sense because it can years for doctors to specify which area of the spectrum you fit. And complex does not mean made up. Complex refers to multiple affecting factors within her particular diagnoses of PTSD. And you are incorrect, many people have it without knowing they do. It took me 7 years to discover that a certain situation had caused me ongoing trauma. I thought I had dealt with it and that was that. Not until much therapy and differentiation and actual diagnoses of several different disorders was it correctly identified. I have PTSD from more then one incident and a vast family history of mental illness so it took a hell of a lot of time and therapy(20years) to actually breakdown and differentiate each Illness, and thankfully then with proper diagnoses by a psychiatrist (not self diagnosis, helI had no clue I was as messed as I was) I could address and treat each illness. 😊

Yeah my parents used to do that. They used to threaten to institutionalize me when I was little. It wasn't really effective. Yes, I listened to them, but also I was terrifyied of them. I was so afraid of being sent away to the places my parents described. They told me they would send me to a place where I would be locked in an empty room, and I'd have to earn things like a pillow, a bed, a hairbrush, etc... through good behavior.

@@strugglingcollegestudent wow your parents are really horrible people

​@@strugglingcollegestudentyour parents are jus s holes lots of pp should never become.parents. i am familiar with ur case.

Kind of like a girl we grew up with would be threatened with "being sent to Charter Hospital" when he grades started to slip. And she was a perfectionist with straight As.

Idk maybe watch the fuckin vid

Go to an actual modern-day mental asylum. No, they do not do lobotomies regularly. But they do them chemically to so many patients, and its obvious. Unfortunately society is never presented this type of information. True evil is always following the money.

What about today! Dr Richard levin thinks cutting off boys gentile is just ok God help us when we look back on this mess what do we say to these young men think about the horrific life this monster is doing under the Biden administration

Howard Dully wrote a harrowing book about being lobotomized at age 12 by Freeman. It is truly horrifying to think this happened, not only to vulnerable adults but to children as young as age four!

That must have been incredibly disturbing to see :( I once had to take a patient for Electro-Convulsive Therapy and finding it shocking that the treatment was still given, as I didn't know that at the time and thought it was an archaic treatment.

Did mom live in Florida? My great aunt Mary had to be due to ppd

none. it was literally based on him making up a theory, then immediately going on to do it. Performing lobotomies on people WAS the research.

CRAP IS "NOT HOLY!"

Formerly agitated, aggressive patients stopped hurting themselves and others in mental hospitals after lobotomy, so that was an improvement, in a sense.

I highly doubt that

​@@Mars20231lol

Cap

Did the electroshock therapy work?

@@peekaboots01 For a time, it did.

@@vegasjk27 interesting. I think people still have electro shock therapy done

This happened to my grandma too she was depressed and had schizophrenia ,all electroshock therapy gave her was nightmares and ptsd :(

Sooo you get diagnosed in a hospital about mental illness?

people questioned him at the time and so did many doctors. the media was to blame, the same way the media was to blame for how we handled covid.

Thats right. Believe me i question authority and get in trouble for it. Be proactive and do not let those rote learned people get you down. The fact is that there are doctors who are creative and save lives and have good hearts. The rest of these so called doctors are fakes. All flash and no real genius. I know as i am a artist. There is a big difference trust me..Bottom line they are weak people.

We experienced an identical period in the past 3 years, we're all fully experienced in how the masses of people can also be blamed for their gullibility and Innate desire to obey authority.

They think they are Gods

Science... Not doctors!!! Faith in Science is deadly.

Those same people run your life bud

exactly what I was thinking reading about how everyone is so shocked in the comments.

You don't think the people that were suffering were also a concern? Ask anyone with significant mental illness if they would like it to go away. Sure there were evil people that did the wrong things, but let's not act like all doctors were evil back then. Many were really trying to help people with the technology they had available.

Let's hope it's a mix of "Shutter Island" & "American Horror Story 3". He wakes up every day thinking he's a doctor/of importance. He then gets brutally lobotomized repeatedly..

Hell doesn't exist.

@@scottcharney1091 I hope it specifically does for this one guy

@@scottcharney1091 it should some people deserve it

*GOOD* !!!!

She also said she didn't feel anything and wasn't capable of showering or taking care of herself. And it wasn't "craziness", it was severe depression.

being an employee is hell ... capitalism is to blame @@awright119021

omg. do you remember anything else?

@@heartfeltgirll I remember a lot of things about that place, it was one creepy ass place in the 1950's. They did "insulin shock", elctro shock, had straight jackets and seclusion rooms with chains. I've been there twice, only been through about half of it. My first guide said she started in 1967 as a nurse. I asked her if she knew Walter Freeman, she snarled "DOCTOR FREEMAN" like I'd said something wrong and Freeman was God. I got the impression she either knew or knew of Freeman. She said Freeman did the lobotomies in the "medical building, on the first floor". She pointed to it, it had bars on the windows, I didn't go in that one. (it costed more). There are tunnels all under that place, they were used to move patients in the winter between buildings. She said once a patient got down in there and they wanted her to go look for him. She said she'd never do that again. My second guide was a young girl but she was extremely knowledgeable about the place. She said the thing that would have scared her the most was a "Uttica crib". I thought "what the hell is a Uttica crib"? She pointed to it, I was standing about 1 foot away from it. It was a large box made out of heavy wooden slats about the size and shape of a coffin. She said they would lock patients in them and ship them in on trains. She said the patients were always screaming because they didn't know where they were going. I think they outlawed Uttica cribs in the 1920's or 30's. I wandered into one room by myself, there was a child's coffin sitting on a trolley that looked like about the 1920's. I didn't open the lid. That place was still open in the 1980's, here a video about it--ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aLrkrN9vMC8.html

They were doing that in the 80's?

Grace Mallory one day they’ll say that about chemotherapy

I live in Ireland, in John f Kennedys father's town, his relations are neighbours of mine, there's a new bridge called the rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Bridge look it up

Rbaker97 omg I was thinking the same thing

I think big pharma knew about the benefits of psychedelic drugs but had by then invested heavily on patented drugs. They needed to recover research costs and sell their design drugs. Unfortunately the phychedelic approach was abandoned and subsequently those drugs made illegal. It's an actual crime that this happened, all in the name of profit.

They're just like yo that's pretty unconventional... moving on, anti-depressant are comparable to lobotomy with plant medicine used for thousands of years

Totally agree with you! Psychedelic therapy could seriously help an incredible amount of “incurable” people in such short time, what a shame it isn’t so widely practiced. However I will say it certainly isn’t without its own risks, even still it should be put into practice

A nurse administered you the Thorazine prescription BECAUSE the physician ordered it!!! Nurses do not prescribe medications.

@@lindawinegar1311 thank youuuu! Nurses always get the blame; we LEGIT save patients everyday from ruthless MD’s

There is definitely a place for hospitals. Some people would greatly benefit from being hospitalized.

Half of people with serious mental illness (Bipolar 1 and Schizophrenia) relapse because they don't think they're ill. Hence why they revolve in and out of hospitals. Required medications is necessary in that group. Unfortunately, most laws only allow that in hospitals.