Many people also think Sargeant was a rookie in 2020 when comparing him to Piastri in F3 who was. Sargeant was in his second year in F3 in 2020 when teammates with rookie Piastri and Vesti.
Sargeant didn't technically count as a rookie in 2022, as he had filled in for Jake Hughes in Jeddah the previous season. Hence why Iwasa won the award for best placed rookie.
@@alexsmith32012 his 2019 f2 season was in a charouz which is one of the worst teams out there, so he wasn't really in a position where he can fight for the championship, and he should've won f3 2020, qualified on pole but he got sandwiched into turn 1 in mugello and dnf
one off the biggest problems with young drivers in f1 at the moment is they are being pushed in to F1 to young and to early which is unfair on the drivers.
@@elvincitore1512 Wrong again he was in a Carlin in 2019, Prema 2020 and then Charouz in 2021?. Not even the actual point either, the car being good or bad is irrelevant its the experience gained in the car and series making him not a rookie for the next year compared to rookies coming in for their first year. There is a lot of should haves if you are going to pin point certain incidents. Like Sargaent crashing himself and his teammate out in monza.Piastri losing a 8 point swing because of a half points race or being taken out in 4th at Monza way ahead of Sargaent. Sargaent wasnt pole in the last race either it was Lawson on reverse pole position for the last race Piastri missed that reverse pole by one position he was in 11th. Piastri was ahead on count back still going into that race.
I don't think he has done that bad, because he's literally a rookie and his teammate is having an incredible season. If we do this benchmark, I feel like we have to apply the same thing to Max and Checo of which I'd say the same kind of deficit exists given that Checo is in the top car and is light-years behind his teammate. I think if he goes backwards, he can be let go. But if he can maintain or gain some pace, he deserves another season.
Quite frankly, Logan clearly needed another year in F2 or another feeder series before he was experienced enough for F1. Williams was stupid to try and rush him in - they should have followed what RB are doing with Lawson. Logan clearly is nowhere near ready for an F1 car but if you drop him now, it taints his reputation and it becomes so much harder for him to come back into F1. It's another Albon situation where even though there is talent there, if you rush it, it can totally damage/destroy a driver's career. Luckily Williams was there to pick up Albon eventually after the RB fiasco but Logan might not get that lucky...
Talented driver don't need two years in F2, talented driver comes and wins F3 and F2 on first try - Leclerc. Logan was p4, so he seems talented enough for Formula1. Don't talk about this he needs another year in F2 nonsense. Verstappen debuted 16 years old, he didn't even raced in F2.
It's actually the extra year he did in F3 that's really stunted his potential. Gained absolutely nothing by running around the back with Charouz. Meanwhile Piastri, Lawson and Pouchaire all got their development boosted by going straight into F2.
Verstappen was hella fast but lets not pretend he was mature enough for F1 the moment he walked in...he was a terrorist on wheels for the first 1.5yrs. Leclerc & Oscar are generational talents, which not everyone can be so I'm not sure what your point is??? Mine was that Logan was not ready for the seat yet@@fingerprints2983
I think a good discussion is "how long should a rookie get to show their actual talent?" We've seen many drivers do horrible on one team and do amazing in another. The RB factory is a good example of this of who was seen as mediocre only to find success elsewhere. Albon is perfect example of this. Ricciardo, Sainz, Gasley, De Vries are others. A team's ecosystem appears to suit some drivers while other drivers fail miserably. This includes Alpha Tauri who has seat problems as a less team.
Is he in “big trouble” though? Didn’t Vowels come out just this weekend and say something basically along the lines of “We know we rushed him along a year too soon, but we still have faith in him and will be patient and let him develop”?
I remember last year, Jenson Button was on Sky and asked DR3, after it was announced that McLaren would replace him, if he wouuld be up to/up for helping Williams rebuild. JB promised on air, that Williams was going forward but, they needed a DR3 type driver to help push that development forward. I, as an aussie didnt want DR3 to leave the grid and thus, wanted, hoped and prayed he would take the offer.
I think Audi want Schumacher in and with Toto as a manager they are probably going to secure that seat. As for Williams damn James Vowles is exceptionally good. People thought he may not be ready for the task at hand but he really does deliver, most importantly in aspiring confidence in his plan to make Williams succeed again. With this trajectory they can be fighting for podiums next year.
I wholeheartedly disagree-I think he’s shown enough potential to have earned a second chance, with the clear expectation that he has to take a step up next year. Besides Bahrain and Saudi, he’s shown potential in races like Silverstone and Austria-have we really gotten to the point where we don’t give rookies time to learn? I also think something Williams need desperately is stability. There’s a lot of teams who will be interested in Albon now and I’d be surprised if Williams retain him beyond 2024. They’re going to need someone bedded into the team who can lead them beyond that point and if Logan closes the gap to Albon in 2024 then surely he’s that person? That’s what happened with Tsunoda and Gasly-the trust AT placed in him paid off, so who’s to say it won’t with Logan?
Haas have shown that you can bring an experienced pair of hands in, and immediately see an uptick in performance from that car. Given Williams somewhat competitive pace now, they need to balance up the pros and cons. Is it worthwhile gambling on Logan improving, or are there more solid and reliable options elsewhere.
@@TommoMcCluskey That’s true, but my counter to that would be you comparing Schumacher to Hulkenberg, an established veteran in F1 and Magnussen to Mazepin, one of the worst drivers this sport has ever seen. Maybe I’d be harsher on Logan if I thought there was someone who would be THAT much better than him, but I don’t think that’s the case. Maybe Zhou would do a slightly better job, but I still have faith that Sargeant can take a leap in performance. Also I don’t think Williams want to drop him-he was promoted through their academy, so they want this to work and show that the academy is a valid route to F1.
@@Micfri300 Ferrari is a very realistic possibility. Sainz is out of contract next year and there’s been a lot of discussion about his future at that team and whether he’s going to Audi or not.
@@TommoMcCluskeyEven if Grosjean and Magnussen were in the Haases in 2021, it would have been the same as 2020. The risk almost worked with Mick because we saw what good days looked like, but there were too many bad days that cost them too much money.
sarg has been a revelation at Williams. I think he has rewarded Williams trust in him with some outstanding speed and performances. I would say at times he is much faster than albon but has just had some bad luck. Given some time I think he could be a future race winner. He has done more than enough to earn a seat next year.
I prefer your first option of williams having 2 ALEX ALBONS - they'd be unstoppable. But really, i cant see a good seasoned driver option for williams right now. Seargent might be a bit lackluster in his first season, but Zhou may not be available and indy car super licences seem tough (see herta last year), which kinda just leaves Mick (or a Latifi surprise return 😉)
Zhou could make sense, it would also free up a seat for Pourchaire which is sorely deserved. Vesti is a possibility but it wouldn’t really make sense to replace him with another rookie
I think he will be kept on as look at Russel point less rookie season and look how he turned out so I think he will be kept until next year they will revisit there options
Not disagreeing with you but the Russell comparison isn't fair. Russell outperformed Kubica by a good margin in his rookie year and that Williams was a shitbox. Kubica only got points due to the absolutely insane 2019 German GP so it wasn't very representative of him beating his teammate over the course of the year. Logan on the other hand has struggled quite a bit compared to Albon.
that wiliams was piss poor, 23 williams is a mid table car.if williams want to develop said car Mick is their guy, people say mick is error prone, but magnusen was far less reliable. people love zhou but micks got a much bigger ceiling. Palou might be killing it in indy, but then so is the likes or ericson and grojean. bourdais, zanardi, villeneuve were all indy champs and didn't exactly wow f1(ok villeneuve did for 2years but that car was crazy good)
Maybe I’m biased bc I’m American, but I really really want sergeant to get another year to improve. He came into f1 somewhat prematurely, and has had the misfortune of being compared to piastry who is driving his damn pants off. I don’t think he’s done TOO horribly, and I think Williams will benefit in the long run by investing in a young talent who will show them loyalty and grow with them
Tommo, what do you think about the idea that Lance Stroll's comments about retirement and taking up tennis is because his dad is fed up with his lousy performance this year, especially given Alonso's 7(? I'm still drinking my morning coffee with neuralgia to boot) podiums? My thoughts are that Daddy Stroll has one eye on the future hook up with Honda, and there's a good chance that they're going to want to take Yuki with them. He certainly won't want to lose Alonso in his current vein of form. Also, I think that Alonso hasn't been as "helpful" as it might seem, but has been up to his old head games again. He gives hints and praise over the radio, but Lance can't follow through. Daddy may well have bought the team with a permanent seat for Junior, but he is also a petrolhead and ruthless businessman. AM is showing progress but Lance isn't. My guess is that he's been given some sort of ultimatum to improve and it's given him the yips. There are different types of pressure in any job, and not everyone can deal with every kind. Lance has been doing badly in conditions he's traditionally done well in, such as those seen last weekend. And coming home last of the finishers (or close to it) whilst Fred got a podium... it doesn't look good!
Williams is not in a position to let Logan go if they want to upgrade the shop And it takes time to get a new driver on the same page as the team Also I believe Alex Palou will be indycar next year I do think he was lie to by Zach Brown to get Alex Palou to his indycar team
Sargeant absolutely should be given one year more at least. The guy got one season in F2 before getting pulled into F1, you'd think Vowles would give the guy another chance if just for the purposes of potential history to be made. But then again "Valtteri it's James" was a thing so the shit would I know.
Williams knew he was raw, he did 1 season in f2, and the reason they promoted him early was because they did not want to loan another young driver and let them develop, yes he has been underwhelming but he has also shown he can drive at this level, There is a reason why most young drivers do 2-3 season in f2. to get consistency and learn to adapt to tyres. by hotshotting him way earlier, this was always expected, moving the goalpost now makes little sense when they knew they were taking in a very raw prospect who had to waste 1 whole year in f3 adapting to a shite car and did only 1 season in F2. SO IMO they should give him 2 seasons. It is vastly different to a De Vries situation where that rookie was coming with years of simulator and other experiences when compared to a 22 year old who only finished 1 season in F2.
They are typically very patient however if their car is now competing for points regularly they will obviously want a stronger driver, I'm thinking Riccardo or Liam Lawson may well be loaned to Williams for next season
Well I'd argue Yuki had an equally difficult first season, and he didn't get dropped. But the context was different, Honda links + no super strong junior waiting in the wings. Vowles seems chill, but he'll make the big calls when needed IMO.
@@bencruise3156AT/RB/TR are the reason why half the grid started their f1 careers, much more than what can be said for all the other teams. RB even helped guys like Albon to get a seat elsewhere, no other team would do that
I think that Logan definitely deserves a second season. He definitely improved across the season and he has shown some good racecraft every now and then. Had the same opinion on Mick last year and Yuki when he had his first season. Just give Rookies time to actually arrive in F1
See there are rookies who immediately prove they're the sh*t. Hamilton, Vettel, Leclerc, Verstappen, etc etc. Is that standard too high to hold most to? Maybe? But when there's only 20 seats available? Maybe not.
@@TommoMcCluskey I agree with what you're saying to an extent and think they can only have a short period to prove themselves. For me that limit is 2 seasons, however
@@TommoMcCluskey that's a valid argument but racing, especially the whole Formula Series, changed since Hamilton, Vettel etc. Everything got more technical and it isn't only about pure driving anymore. And it should probably be mentioned that since the whole regulation change the F2 cars and tyres are even more different to F1 than they were before. So it's probably not that easy to acclimatise (is that even a word?) to than it was in other eras. But of course I'm neither a driver or team principal, so we could all be wrong about that 😅
. as a collective we shld want th high standrd to b held. none of those racers listed would exist without it etc- vettel n Hamilton 1 .f many rare rookies in f1^
I think you’re spot on Tommo, insofar as rookies who do really well in their first season are usually WDC material. Williams do have the luxury of appealing to top talent this year, partly because their machinery seems to be on the up, and partly because so few spots are open. Maybe a switch now makes the most sense.
I feel it’s also good to keep Logan as it validates their driver academy. You see so often people complain about Renault having awful management of their driver academy but Williams has Logan as their first driver academy promotion since Dorilton capital bought the team. That and Yuki and Logan I’d say are both drivers who needed more than 1 season of F1 to makeup for only 1 year of F2.
@@TommoMcCluskey Still a rookie though. He has about the same amount of experience as Oscar. Granted Oscar is phenomenal but it proves that he’s not a veteran. You look at other mid tier drivers. For example, Lando (got obliterated by Sainz, and we knew Sainz wasn’t amazing). If we look at the points in 2019 would we be making the same case for Norris? Or Yuki even? Took him three years but now he’s getting really good. Logan just needs time.
Logan has done solid for a rookie. Hes bang average 10-15 years ago but now we dont have any mazepins/latifis he sticks out but unless youre special ie piastri, leclerc hamilton etc then you cant ask for more
Williams said it very clearly that Logan was getting that seat one year earlier than they wanted to. Meaning this year is a write off regardless. In addition to that his crash on sunday was very clearly a technical problem. I dont know why the moderators in sky were taking the pss on him when you could easily see in the cockpit replay that he was steering the wheel, but the wheels weren't. I am not even his biggest fan, but the amount of crap he gets is definitely too much.
Being new to F1, it’s incredibly sad to see how HARD rookies are weighed and judged on their performances during their first seasons…definitely not like any other sport I’ve watched. And don’t get me wrong, I understand every team has different objectives at the beginning of the year but still…they’re rookies!!! Nonetheless, great vid Tommo and thanks for helping me in becoming a fan of F1.
The thing is, you want to see a rookie show some improvement over the course of the season. Sargeant isn't doing that, yet. It's a decision that Williams should wait until the end of the season to make.
They're rookies but in the pinnacle of motorsports. F1 shouldn't be the place where the sheep get separated from the wolves. That's what F4/3/2 is for. When these boys get their chance they should better be ready to grab it.
I've been F1 fan 25 years, and rookies have been always weighed hard. Many times they have been declared non-worthy before the season even begins. And not only, even experienced drivers get the same scrutiny - from hero to zero goes very quickly in F1.
Seats are so few and far between in this sport, which is pretty unique for a sport with such a blend of human talent & engineering. Appreciate the support!
@@justawhisperintheuniverse8257he just got to q3 last race and barring the terrible strategy and car failure who knows where he would have been in the race
I'd like to see someone like Bottas return for a year or two just to see him use the pace that I still believe he has if Alfa drops him in preparation for a star driver to come in ready for the Audi project
13:25 Latiffi finished P7 in Hungary 2021 so yes, he did scored points in Williams. In fact, he scored before George Russel for this team as the Brit finished P8 the same day. Latiffi also Finished P9 on the Belgiam GP in 2021... and even if you say that there was no race on that day he still qualified P9 to get a point on Sunday
I think Mick deserves a shot at a team that believes in him and is supportive whenever things go wrong. Haas was by far the worst situation he could of find himself in which really annoys me to this day, they literally treated him like garbage. On the other hand I think that Palou would maybe be the best and safest option cause he is pretty much the only driver avaiblable who is proven to be able to deliver in high stakes and against other proven drivers.
Mick is a big risk, but you're right - Williams would manage and support him way better. But if they drop Logan, surely they're doing it in order to get assurances that the replacement will be somewhat proven. The environment at Williams would be way better and more likely to help Mick succeed, but it's hard to say for sure.
@@TommoMcCluskeysure it‘s a risk, and his qualy against KMag was awfull 100%. But when his confidence was high (which unfortunately was almost impossible for him in the Haas environment) like in Austria he was awesome, that race was unbelievable from him and with a team that helps him keep his confidence high I think he has a lot of those performances in him and I haven’t seen anything remotely close from sargeant to compare.
Why would he be such a big risk? He, from what I hear is a massive help in the development/setup of Mercedes at the moment and has two years (only one that is really of note) of experience in F1. There were 4 crashes, 3 of which pretty big but the majority of those crashes were very early on in the season. In the second half of the season there was also significant improvement but Haas their "one upgrade and inshallah" way meant the car had fallen off big. Several times he also lost points due to factors completely outside of his control like a Haas disasterclass in Zandvoort (and other tracks) and Russel terrorism in Singapore. (Haas their strategists were something to study) Quali was towards Kevin yes, however to the end of the season it was again getting a lot closer and in race h2h he beat Magnussen.@@TommoMcCluskey
Zandvort showed that Logan is getting faster, even if he is crashing a bit. Hopefully it's because he is getting more confidence & will sort it out. Personally I think he'll be doing well enough by the end of the season & Williams will stick with him. If not, it'll depend on who's losing their seat. Perez? Zhou? Tsunoda?
Latifi wanted to quit motorsport Piastri was supposed to drive for Williams this year but went to Mclaren Sargeant was supposed to have another season in F2, but Williams was forced to bring him into F1 prematurely. Vowles has made it clear this season is for training, we've seen plenty of potential from him. He was 3 seconds from P10 in Silverstone. If he got that point we wouldn't be asking these questions
@@TommoMcCluskey My guess from a money perspective, it's probably cheaper to keep Sargeant around with him being a rookie and all. More money for the car.
I think it's smart for at least next year to retain Sargeant. Given William's investment in him and that Alex is such a solid driver, it makes sense to give him the time to develop with how quickly he was rushed into F1. He may not have adapted as fast as Piastri, but given how close Sargeant was to him in F3 he's shown he has potential. If he can't cut it next year though then I think he should probably be dropped.
People forget about logan’s absolutely rapid lap in Jeddah because it was deleted for him going on the pit entry line on the straight but it was FAST. look back and you’ll see he was faster than albon. he has the pace. just not the consistency.
For me, Williams is showing how you sctually handle a rookie. Case in point, Mick Schumacher at Haas. When Mick had issues with the car, Guenther immediately said that he needed to step up and that he wasn't doing well enough. When Logan has issues with the car, the team immediately explains that the car was at fault and that there was little he could do. That makes a huge difference in a driver's morale. Haas & Guenther are a poor environment and I'm glad Williams is actually trying to help Logan instead of just putring the whole blame on him.
that is because there is nothing to blame, the crashes have all been technical issues and not Sarg's fault. Williams are supportive because they are being repayed by the speed and consistance race pace that Sarg shows.
Zhou's chinese backing might have been great until recently, but China's going through a bit of a financial crisis right now. I think it makes sense that Zhou's financiers might be reluctant to fork out more money to Alfa/Sauber for Zhou's 2024 drive. Zhou's shown himself to be a competent driver though, so I think he'd be a good candidate for another team to snap up. He's not got any glaring weaknesses, he's a capable pair of hands.
IMO don't forget most rookies up until recently have had more testing time, and roughly half of Logan's experience with F1 cars is the same as his F2 experience i.e. not in the ground effect cars, so its a sort of baptism by fire.
@@e2rqey Alex was also in that position and Williams signed him. I think they should sign him if Liam does not get the AT seat for 2024. If not, I would try to sign Zhou if Alfa does not renew him or even Pourchaire if Alfa does not give him a chance. Also, I would sign Valtteri if Alfa decided to end his contract to promote Pourchaire. My last choices would be Frederik Vesti or Mick Schumacher if Merc offered money, if not, I would renew Logan.
@@54_ocram46 The thing is that for Lawson, there's no real RB prodigy that's breathing down his neck atm. Iwasa is quick but Lawson is younger and has been far more consistent in his junior career. (Plus we don't know who will get him in the RB-Honda divorce proceedings) Hauger has basically bottled his chance. Crawford and Maloney are promising but haven't wowed yet. So basically Lawson can afford to wait at RB even if he has to do another year as a reserve. He's incredibly adaptable so RB will be more than happy to shove him in another series to develop him.
I think that the main problem is that F2 machinery is too different in driving qualities as F1 cars, just like in last days of F3000 regulations, and back then Renault came and solve the problem with Formula Renault ladder, but now we have FIA sanctioned F2-F3 monopoly, which makes the problem even worse.
Like Logan, but is he really the right American to put in F1? We seem so desperate to put an American in a seat we don’t ask herself if we “should.” Here’s the thing: naturally talented Americans don’t pursue F1. Reality check, but from a raw talent perspective, he may not even be a top 100 American actively racing. Ty Gibbs, Zane Smith, etc are all better young natural talent and they pursued other forms of racing.
The problem is that the teams who can afford to develop a driver for 2-3 years without having to worry about money aren’t the ones who are bringing I new drivers. The only recent exceptions are Leclerc in 2019, Norris in 2020, and Piastri this year. But all of those guys hit the ground running and didn’t need much development.
kinda weird that were so aggressively pushing for rookie's to be dropped from the sport. Actually its very weird, idk why you guys want a grid full of Kmags and other old backmarkers trundling in the rear, instead of giving rookies time to learn and prove themselves.
I'm a big fan of Schumacher and would love to see Drugovich in the shout to replace Logan. He won the F2 championship last year so why isn't he in the conversation more?
What the heck does Williams' history have to do with anything? That old Williams is completely gone, for at least 10 years. Williams are not a sleeping giant, they are a once giant that is asleep It's the same as saying that if you want to win, you got to go Kurtis Kraft, or Maserati...
I really don’t understand the argument about the constructors position, if Williams had double their current points tally, they would still have less than half as many points as Alpine so the argument that Logan is holding them back doesn’t really hold water
@@RdeCGaming that is an absolute myth. Neither last, nor this season has he been equal to Bottas. It's like Chinese influence goes far, that it effects with people's brains. You look at Zhou and he is a complete bland MEH, yet for some reason everyone is praising him, when he hasn't done anything in F3, F2 or F1. The highlight of his career is 2022 Silverstone.
He’s has 2 point scoring finishes this season, qualified p5 in Hungary. If you’re gonna say it’s because he’s not a rookie and sargeant is, Zhou finished in the points on his first race in 2022…
Now, one of Zhou sponsorship from China, "Sensetime" (China tech firm) is not paying the money they promised to Sauber As "Sensetime" reported lost 4 billion usd in Q1-Q2 and laying off some of their staff again
Eh, he’ll get a second season at the very least. Williams are all in on him. Listening to his Beyond the Grid ep, I got the impression that he’s extremely excited to be in F1, but he’s rather timid, and perhaps isn’t as ambitious as other drivers. I can’t really say why I felt that, I just did. I wish him well, tho. I believe he can pick it up but he’s gonna need to light that fire.
100 percent give him another season, we know what he has done in f3 and F2. And he has definitely improved slowly as the season has gone ahead. I truely believe if he has gets another season he can prove himself.
Hoping logan can just put a good race together. I feel for the young man at the moment. Williams wont have him back if his current form continues. But there is quite a few races left for him to settle in and show what hes worth.
Vowles has already alluded to this being ‘Year 0’ for Logan since they know they brought him in a year earlier than planned. I reckon he will get another year, his pace has been overly criticised for a rookie and he’s shown improvement over the course of the season. As long as he doesn’t Mick it and start crashing every other weekend, I feel Williams will offer him a second year and then go from there.
I like Logan and think he can improve. If he gets the boot, I just hope someone among the lines of Deugovich, Lawson, Doohan or Pourchaire get the seat instead of Mick
everyone forgets yuki got a p4 in 2021, even tho i think that alpha tauri was a proper midfield car, p4 was still an amazing result. id say thats the equivalent to a p9-p8 for a williams this year. and logan hasn't shown that kind of potential so far (but plenty of races left so lets see)
Everyone also forget that Yuki, like Max, benefitted from the AD fiasco call. Yuki would've still finished in the points if the race was conducted by the rules, and that too would have been a decent result, but he wouldn't have gotten to P4.
I've been a fan of Logan since that heartbreaking F3 race in 2020 cost him the championship. But I've got to say he didn't perform quite as well as I expected when he got his F2 shot, and in F1 he's been... okay at best. He's also one of only two current F1 drivers not to have a championship win in their post-karting junior career. I hope Williams give him another season, but I can't say it'd be totally unfair if they choose otherwise. I still think if he can put together a complete race weekend we'll still see that he's got what it takes, and a good result would settle his nerves and give him the confidence needed to start performing at a higher level.
Schumacher being inconsistent is a very wrong image generated by how inconsistent Haas was. Consistency is what gave him the F3 Euro and F2 titles in the first place. Especially in F2, he was just always there. Sure a mistake or 2 did kinda throw some results away but he still got the most podiums that season. F1 isn't any different, but if the car and team are just a big mess (I mean they have really not improved at all in 2023 and guess what, their drivers are still crashing like crazy. Not like its the team or something...) then you are bound to reflect at least some of that. F1 needs to undo or just change the testing bans so rookies actually have a fair chance. Logan just happens to do a bunch of acceptable rookie mistakes. He is constantly improving and working on himself, luck may not be on his side sometimes but thats racing. Him reaching Q3 in Zandvoort was incredible. The only rookies lately that visibly struggled were both Mazepin and De Vries. Mazepin was just not really meant to be in F1 and it was very clear he was struggling, De Vries was also struggling but that was because of the stupidly high expectations, taking 1 sorta expected result (Albon would have finished higher most likely), being a World Champion in a series he spent more time crashing into others than going forwards.... yeah that just doesn't sound good. And also he got incredibly lucky to even win that title cause everyone else just happened to have the worst luck imaginable in the final race.
The only thing I have against this position you seem to be taking is that it leaves it where no driver ever really gets development with any team. The teams at the front (RBR, Merc, etc) need two competitive veterans or freak rookies like Max, Lewis, Oscar, to be fully competitive instantly. The teams in the middle need competitive veterans to battle and make gains towards the front like Ocon, Sainz, Norris etc, and the teams at the back like Haas can't afford to have rookies so they have confident experienced drivers like Hulk or Kmag or Bottas. The only team that would be willing to developer a drive is AT. That's a real oroborus kind of scenario.
This all feels a little overblown. Vowles has done the exact opposite of what Marko did with De Vries and supported him at every juncture. He's said they knew they were bringing him up a year too early and that this year is very much a learning experience. If Williams has a car that can fight for a midfield position in the WCC next year and he's still underperforming, I get it. But right now, it feels like he's just become the media's new punching bag now that they no longer have De Vries, despite there being zero evidence in this case that Williams is losing patience with him.
I always say that rookies deserve at least two seasons but Sargeant should show a performance that he has potential. Yuki's first year was bad but he had very good races like Bahrain and Abu Dhabi in that year as well. We will see what he can do for the rest of the season though
No Williams wouldn’t be close to alpine if they had 2 Albons. I’m not surprised about Zhou. He hasn’t been that special. And Audi want Germany drivers.
TommoIndy sounds like a great name... no, it doesn't. Don't go there Tommo, just be yourself. No need for a suffix. Also the last time, the "TommoF1" case, no need to go through that again. A cease and desist, etc.
How is Schumacher gonna be any better, in his 2 years, he scored points a grand total of 2 times and crashed the car so much he was the most expensive driver on the grid. Also this guy loves to ride Albon like crazy so he’s probably doing this to make his driver look better as well. Logan is struggling, but he definitely deserves more time because he is making good progress
yes he is a bit. But may he be a american yuki. Zandvoort was narrow and slippery, the boy asked for rain tires. And comparing his perforamnce to Albon is also not fair. Nah so just let him finish the season. Suits Williams to be more forgiving, since many a driver also is on the level they offer.
Jamie Whincup once said it takes two years to settle into a sport. Williams are building for the future and they have two drivers that can help them get there. Also, it must be stated, how important it is to have an AMERICAN DRIVER behind the wheel for an AMERICAN OWNED TEAM. I doubt Dorlton Capital has such as a priority, but it certainly helps. If I were the marketing execs at F1, I'd market the shit out of Logan in AMERICA. We have more American viewers than ever before, and they surely want one of their own in the sport. Plus, think about Logan's personal backers, and ones that aren't yet supporting him or one of the US race, but would if they saw enough potential profit in it
Hey Tommo, to start, great video, second off as an American I can’t lie that it hurt to see you post a video saying Logan is in “BIG TROUBLE” but more importantly I think it would be cool if you made some Indy car videos too, not that the Formula 1 stuff is dull, it would just be cool to see stuff about “our” open wheel racing, I’m saying that but I’ve only ever watched the Indy 500 once, anyways just an idea, been loving your vids for almost 2 years now, keep ‘em coming :)
Kinda tired of the Sargeant dogpiling, especially with how Vowles doesn't need to stick his neck out for him but has. He's a rookie who's shown gradual improvement that most people clearly can't see outside of the on paper results. Albon beat Latifi for the record but that doesn't fit your narrative I guess. Also what message does signing a vet in Ricciardo who IS washed up, Zhou who's barely keeping touch with a regressing Bottas, Mic who's no better and brings the bad press of Ralf Schumacher, or Vesti who is NOT their junior say? Why would Colapinto, O'Sullivan, Gray, or Browning want to stay in their academy if they can't give the junior they admittedly rushed up time? Then get rid of the academy at that point because it'd be a pointless expense. Fucking sick of these clickbait takes.
