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This Formula 1 Team Spent $627,850,000 - during a Financial Crisis 

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2008 was a crazy year for many reasons, F1 included. Not only was it thrilling on track, but the money being thrown around by teams on the backend - was ridiculous.
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@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Anyone else notice that Red Bull AND Toro Rosso's combined budget was STILL lower than like 6 other teams...
@Versatilty
@Versatilty Год назад
Correction: I know it's not really the reason for the video etc. but Obama ran for president in 2008 but didn't take office until January 2009
@mrterp04
@mrterp04 Год назад
Must not include catering
@selder_7
@selder_7 Год назад
A constant throughout F1 is that a parent company being overly involved in the running of its F1 team, and trying to run it as another part of their business, doesn’t end well
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Exactly why Red Bull have been so successful, and Mercedes for that matter. The big bosses hired people who know what they're doing, and let them cook.
@georgebull-mclean3333
@georgebull-mclean3333 Год назад
It's interesting that Toyota is doing so well in endurance racing, considering how badly their F1 approach went. Audi did a similar thing. Controlling the approach the team takes seems to work better in Le Mans than F1. Maybe its because there's more crossover between a Le Mans car and a road car than an F1 car, in terms of what elements are important. Endurance Racing is a slower paced sport in terms of development, so reams have time to test parts fully over a long lead time. F1, you kinda need to gamble more, as the development window between races is weeks or days, rather than months. In automotive industry things are conservative and planned BMW set out their plan in 2006 , that 2007 would be 'get points', 2008 would be "Win a race" and then 2009 would be "win title". Its a good approach for a system where you Control the process. But F1 isn't controllable. You could have the best car ever, but someone else takes you out and you have just as much as if you never started. Motor Racing is a gamble from a marketing perspective.
@miggygetright6344
@miggygetright6344 Год назад
That’s what’s happening with Alpine now
@chriswilder9719
@chriswilder9719 Год назад
Tell that to any Ferrari fan. They will tell you Enzo had every right to bend his team principals over the desk whenever he wanted to
@tomraikes9855
@tomraikes9855 Год назад
@@georgebull-mclean3333 Reason why Toyota are so successful in sports cars is because they learnt their lesson from their F1 programme, Toyota Motorsport Group are now much more separate and autonomous and its due to the lessons learned in the 2000s. I wonder if they'll ever return and how they'd fare with this setup....
@boaandarrows
@boaandarrows Год назад
It's always been crazy to me that Toyota spent so much over the years and never went anywhere with it in terms of really climbing up the ranks of constructors to the point that when they attempted to sign Kimi between his Ferrari and Lotus periods, his response was apparently "make a race winning car" alongside the want for a higher salary. Toyota also never won a race in their time in the sport as both a constructor or engine supplier.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
You can understand why after the huge opportunity that was 2009, big regulation shake up to put all that budget FINALLY to use, Toyota decided to pull the plug. The team just wasn't built well enough to achieve what they wanted, combined with the senior Toyota personnel's constant interference.
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Год назад
Toyota messed up after 2005 when they went to Bridgestone tires from Michelin for advertising reasons and not performance reasons and it ruined any momentum they had from 2005 They wasted any hope of a race winning car they might have had plus the awful strategy at Bahrain 2009 The 2005 and 2009 Toyotas I would say are the second and third cars not to win a race in the 2000s (if you want my list lmao I would say the top 5 cars not to win a race in the 2000s) 2004 BAR 2009 Toyota 2005 Toyota 2006 McLaren 2007 BMW
@boaandarrows
@boaandarrows Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid Yeah, 2009 wouldn't have been too confidence inspiring for them outside of the handful of podiums at the beginning and end while getting outshined by a drink and a car bought for $1. I will say though that the last 2 years were a vast improvement over the beginning of the V8 era for them, but I feel that would have been overlooked when comparing to their previous WRC and Le Mans efforts.
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Год назад
​@@TommoOnRU-vid IIRC Trulli said he had to win the Japanese GP that year to save the F1 group and had he won that race they wouldn't have pulled the plug What could it have been if it wasn't for a young Vettel dominating at his favourite track in the whole world
@kv-5
@kv-5 Год назад
Force India could have had big points from the P4 or P5 finish in Monaco if Kimi didn't punt Adrian Sutil into the shadow realm a few laps from the finish. What a heartbreaking moment that was.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Damn :(
@p0werfu11
@p0werfu11 Год назад
And these points could've place Force India above Honda in the efficiency table here.
@lillyartracing5110
@lillyartracing5110 Год назад
A lot of people seem to forget that he was due a time penalty due to overtaking several cars under yellow flags earlier in the race. Chances are he would’ve finished outside the points.
@sulphurous2656
@sulphurous2656 Год назад
I still find it funny how despite getting hit with the $100M fine after spygate, McLaren still managed to increase their budget for 2008.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Chrome money
@neo1711
@neo1711 11 месяцев назад
I think a good portion of that fine was paid by Mercedes
@1greenMitsi
@1greenMitsi Год назад
youre not wrong tommo, so many iconic liveries in 2008 - panasonic denso toyota and chrome coloured vodaphone mclarens are def the pick of the bunch
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Hopefully next season, with all the teams down to the weight limit now, they'll bring back some COLOUR.
@nathanstroud2223
@nathanstroud2223 Год назад
At the time, I really liked the rosso corsa version of the Ferrari livery, but today I would probably rank the Toro Rosso, BMW Sauber and ING Renault in no particular order as my top three from that season.
@benmanutd2
@benmanutd2 Год назад
RBS sponsoring Williams in 2008 got me opening a bank account with them in 2015 I'd say that's money well spent😂
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Same, fellow RBSer (as a child anyway) here
@benmanutd2
@benmanutd2 Год назад
That logo was just symbiotic with the car it's marvelous The Williams car comes up whenever I see that logo❤️
@kolorado7260
@kolorado7260 Год назад
I'm not surprised, those cars were engineered to the limit. I doubt they'd be able to fit any more wings if they tried. Beautiful cars though, definitely the most beautiful ones in recent history imo
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Ugly beautiful
@neroz06m.20
@neroz06m.20 Год назад
​@@TommoOnRU-vid those BMWs are beautiful
@sc8164
@sc8164 Год назад
Personally I preferred the 2017-2021 cars, they just looked so cool and stealthy and fast pahaha
@areebsiddiqui758
@areebsiddiqui758 Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid Rocketship beautiful.
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Год назад
The MP4-22 in its Monza spec might be the prettiest car in F1 history Loved the 2005-08 cars
@bonelesswatermelon420
@bonelesswatermelon420 Год назад
Excellent point about the sponsors back then versus the sponsors we have now. As a non European, I had to Google if Vodafone still existed yesterday since they no longer had any iconic sposorships
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Even on V8 Supercars, they were iconic. Need to head down to my local branch and have a word.
@gilgoodman1012
@gilgoodman1012 Год назад
The reason bmw pulled development on 2008 was because they had a masterplan (not the Ferrari one but equally as bad) to win a race in 08 and then the title in 09. So once they had a win, they abandoned the rest of the season. And still kubica drove his heart out, he was only 12 points behind Hamilton with 2 races to go. For reference raikkonen was 17 points behind at the same point in 07 and won the title
@LordWay
@LordWay Год назад
I wonder what went through Seb's mind when he outscored Red Bull who was the destination for him. Worked brilliantly in the end but wonder if he had doubts about joining for 09
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
That's the thing, even without that win. Say Seb finished that race last, TR still would have finished LEVEL with RB. I guess having two teams means you can test more concepts, fail more in the short term to learn more in the long run?
@LordWay
@LordWay Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid He certainly was a talent you build the team around with his performance immediately
@F1Tom2005
@F1Tom2005 Год назад
​@@TommoOnRU-vid I think it's possible that red bull sank a lot to 2009 early, as they LEAPT forwards to runners up in 2009, while Toro Rosso stayed at the back
@robinthebobin6537
@robinthebobin6537 Год назад
Tommo once again ruthlessly trying to charm us with a cute sausage dog! Shouldn't be allowed, this is outrageous😤😤😂
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Did it work? 😅
@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158
Only bad thing about 2008 season (unless you are Massa's fan) was the early death of Super Aguri. They were such a charming little team. Also, it was the only season Toro Rosso finished ahead of Red Bull and only time in history that Ferrari's customer team won a race. It really was a great year.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
At the time I remember a lot of talk being "why didn't Honda save them??". We saw why by season end...
@JustSomeDinosaurPerson
@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Год назад
Kubica's lapse due to Sauber's underdevelopment was also kind of disappointing considering how strong of a season start he had.
@Adam-fj9px
@Adam-fj9px Год назад
Totally agree with your point towards the end about the sponsors being crap nowadays, i dont drink or smoke but the cars looked so much better with alcohol and cigarette brands on them😂
@jwork5680
@jwork5680 Год назад
Martini Williams was simple but beautiful, a bit sad that it was never a championship winning car
@billhoult3262
@billhoult3262 Год назад
Couldnt tell you what most the brands on f1 cars even make/do anymore.
@salim_abid_
@salim_abid_ Год назад
The 2008 cars were so beautiful That chrome Mclaren, The super white BMW, The Renault 🔥🔥🔥 Perhaps you could make a video with 2023 car designs but switch up the sponsors and how they’d look The 2023 shape and colours but with old school sponsors/sponsors we haven’t seen yet on an F1 car
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Yeah that'd be sick for real. Maybe take the 2023 chassis of every team, but apply their best livery of all time to it? A modernised version.
@salim_abid_
@salim_abid_ Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid Would love to see that, The chrome Mclaren 😍😍 Perhaps some of the newer teams could be traced back to their old days too (like Alfa Romeo/Sauber could feature the BMW/Sauber livery) and Alpine could be chosen from Renault liveries. Haas will just be Haas lol
@valentinafuffa535
@valentinafuffa535 Год назад
​@@TommoOnRU-vid what a great idea. i love and much prefer the clean shape of new cars (still hate how big they are) but always thought old liveries were better. would be epic to see old sponsors adjusted on new cars
@dctrsnapl
@dctrsnapl Год назад
The renault was horrible
@titan_fx
@titan_fx Год назад
I love the early V8 cars, the aero devices on those cars is mental. It really looks like spaceships on wheels.
@aaryanagarwal2196
@aaryanagarwal2196 Год назад
Such a great idea for the video! Absolutely love it tommo. Hope you make one about the 2009 brawn season soon. Would love to get more insight.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Appreciate that Aaryan!
@CammyTheSportsEntertainer
@CammyTheSportsEntertainer Год назад
Toyota - the most expensive failure in F1 history. Goes to show, corporate people need to back off and let racing people do racing things since they know what they're doing, not the corporate people. P.S. Their Panasonic red and white liveries were gorgeous. It had a champion's livery but riddled with corporate incompetence.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
More money more problems
@CammyTheSportsEntertainer
@CammyTheSportsEntertainer Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid yes sir! I remember one time in 2006, the design of the car was supposed to be for the Michelin tyres. But because Toyota wanted to move to Bridgestone (Japanese team with Japanese tyres) it prevented Toyota from progressing forward from their 4th place in 05. It was a decent car, but not as competitive as the 05 car.
@LordWay
@LordWay Год назад
Was not expecting Ferrari to have the most efficient budget 🤣
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Turns out they CAN be competent. 15 years ago...
@LordWay
@LordWay Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid I remember the 09 car too it was dreadful
@owl_lxvi
@owl_lxvi Год назад
honda in 2008: spends approx. $561M and puts all the resources for the RA109 which would turn out to be the Brawn BGP-001 also honda in 2021: ya know what, we're leaving f1, goodbye not long after, in 2023: *WE'RE COMING BACK, BABY!* zero brain cells in f1, 2000IQ in the automotive industry: thats honda (basically)
@rachelkoiks
@rachelkoiks Год назад
Glock wanted to pit but was told to stay out. It started raining more and he really wanted to pit but was told to stay. Sure enough he was like driving on ice with slicks in the rain and slowed hella down with just corners left to the checkered flag, Massa wins the race and the 2008 championship, then “Is that Glock?!” going slow and Hamilton drives past and gets p5 or p6 or whatever and because he passed Glock, Massa was no longer the champion and it went to Ham. Massa’s dad and family celebrating and then he gets tapped on the shoulder with the same hand pointing to the broadcast and their faces were just.. ugh, hurt man. Massa is standing on the top step of the podium, race winner at his home race with tears of welling in his eyes is so heartbreaking. But the home support in Brazil and a crying Massa with him one handed pounding his chest is an image I’ll never forget. 1pt.. That’s the difference between being the last Tifosi Ferrari hero to “almost”.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Would have been a deserving champion, no question.
@UGRRetribution
@UGRRetribution Год назад
BMW in 2008 were like "we have hit the target set for the season, now onto the next step"
@c.l.8213
@c.l.8213 11 месяцев назад
Interesting, I've never cared about sponsors. I have no idea why Panasonic or Vodafone are more exciting than any other sponsor, really. As long as the teams have the money to keep F1 going, I'm happy.
@AACG1622
@AACG1622 Год назад
In the start of the season I was afraid Aston becomes a Toyota 2.0 in season 2005 (Jarno Trulli also got podiums in the first races). I hope this will not be the case.
@CameronMcRae09
@CameronMcRae09 Год назад
Ironically if Honda hadn't pulled out Red Bull might've won the title in 2009. Honda would've turned up to the first test (which in reality Brawn missed) giving the other teams about an extra week to study their double diffuser. That would probably mean Honda lose their advantage a little bit earlier than Brawn actually did which could make all the difference
@AndynatorHD
@AndynatorHD Год назад
The Panasonic toyota livery was so nice and the BMW with Petronas 🔥
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Glory days
@anldinc2811
@anldinc2811 Год назад
I wonder why they decided to focus on 2009 in the middle of the season literally kubica was leading championship after canada.
@KimiButNoDrink
@KimiButNoDrink Год назад
Same reason McLaren thought focusing on their 2013 car during 2012 would be a good idea, they were in over their heads
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Год назад
​@@KimiButNoDrink McLaren developing a completely new car in 2013 because they didnt understand why the 2012 car was fast for it to be slower than the 2012 car was peak McLaren lol
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Год назад
And BMW were very rigid in their goals 2009 was meant to be the championship year not 2008 so once they got the race win the bosses stupidly thought job done Kubica was the best performing driver that year and with a car with more updates would have competed for the 08 championship
@dariusradu2369
@dariusradu2369 Год назад
Honestly, it's debatable whether Honda would have won the championship had they stayed for 2009. That Mercedes power in the back of the Brawn was trully a blessing for the team. Who knows if that Honda engine had the ability to compete with RB's Renault engine. It's a fun scenario to think about anyways.
@Neilios1000
@Neilios1000 Год назад
I've often wondered about that. By 2008, I recall that Honda engine being decent, and it had been some time since the Mercedes engines were all conquering. One of F1's great "What if"s.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
It's a fair point, although you have to wonder how they had to optimise that chassis to fit a Merc powerplant in. If at all right. A works engine optimised to a chassis probably put you in a better place no?
@felixlueggerto
@felixlueggerto Год назад
I always had the feeling back than that all the engines were relativley close together since they got frozen in after the 2006 season.
@OnionChoppingNinja
@OnionChoppingNinja Год назад
@@felixlueggerto Indeed. Differences in horsepower between the various engines in those days could be counted on two hands (and maybe a toe or two on your foot)
@Neilios1000
@Neilios1000 Год назад
@@felixlueggerto I'd forgotten that. So that was the engine spec that Button won with, yeah?
@rhysdawes7681
@rhysdawes7681 Год назад
Top 5 Biggest livery upgrades from one year to the next - video idea
@formularacingcenter
@formularacingcenter Год назад
Some CRAZY numbers…
@Jorge.Painkiller
@Jorge.Painkiller Год назад
In defense of Bourdais, he was very unlicky, he was running 4th in Australia before a mechanical DNF and he qualified 4th in Monza and he had problems at the start
@follifeinflauschig5806
@follifeinflauschig5806 Год назад
9:10 i know a DarkViper reference when i see one
@callumhayes7502
@callumhayes7502 Год назад
Those toyota liveries always slapped.
@withoutborders2023
@withoutborders2023 Год назад
Toyota after 2009 season: *Should we have spent so heavily in the past? Probably not. But we lived the dream.*
@Septimus_ii
@Septimus_ii Год назад
2008 was expensive, across the board!
@mobyhuge4346
@mobyhuge4346 Год назад
they spent less but goddamn is that Force India a thing of beauty
@arekayseven
@arekayseven Год назад
But Tom in 2008 the figure was total cost of everything including PU. In 2023 the PU's cost in not considered in budget cap and 1PU cost nearly $10 M with teams nearly using 8 during season. That's $80 M.
@muffinland
@muffinland Год назад
Tommo viewers: "haha wow they spent so much money back in the day" Me: haha holy fuck 2008 was 15 years ago.
@thatoneguy7191
@thatoneguy7191 Год назад
The dirty air wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now lmao, the cars could actually race each other back then (probably mostly helped by the smaller size and lower weight, as well as the fact that these cars had way less downforce than the cars today)
@Abb0able
@Abb0able Год назад
0:11 Marketing budget for f1 Tommo? F1 teams and the results they get are the marketing vehicle for others. I havnt had a Williams add on RU-vid yet.
@hugolouessard3914
@hugolouessard3914 Год назад
Personnally I think the 2008 cars are beautiful ! Some of the best even. I understand that many prefer the simpleer 1998-2004 cars but I don't know, I love them. And I don't know how McLaren could possibly spend that much ! No wonder they ended up in financial difficulties and fell from grace. And Honda... Oh Honda... The clowns of Formula 1. Retiring in 2008 when they had made the best car for 2009, then anouncing their retirement in 2020 for the end of 2021 where they finally win... Aston Martin must be praying that they don't decide to retire after 2 seaons in 2027 or something lol. I wouldn't even be surprised if Lawrence Stroll asked for a 4 years guarantee from them so they don't leave F1 at the next change of CEO
@joribremer5260
@joribremer5260 Год назад
6:55 “We dont want to fight for the title this year, that’s scheduled NEXT year!” (What a terrible decision…. )
@ThistleThings
@ThistleThings Год назад
Video suggestion: 2008 liveries v 2023 liveries
@kennyyong8257
@kennyyong8257 Год назад
Dr. Mario Theissen who was the team principal of BMW Sauber claimed their resources was more allocated to the 2008 car based on his Beyond The Grid podcast but Kubica did not believe him. Despite that, I still think it would have been very hard for both driver and team to win either championship...🤔🤔
@turbo_brian
@turbo_brian Год назад
If you ask any team principle if they'd rather be p5 in the championship with a p2 and p3 or p6 in the championship with a win, what do you think they'd say? Even toro rosso finished ahead of toyota in my mind lol.
@aslamnurfikri7640
@aslamnurfikri7640 Год назад
If you make 2007 version McLaren would be the most efficient with $0 per point
@3211SD
@3211SD Год назад
The cars from that era looked awful and had those stupid tires but they were so much smaller than today's cars . If you compare on a track like Monaco then the space that they have around them to move about is really noticeable. We dont realize how big these current f1 cars are . We need to find a way of making the cars smaller
@user-pt7xm6ln8z
@user-pt7xm6ln8z Год назад
the 2008 cars were beautifull
@gibospartan6185
@gibospartan6185 Год назад
To be fair, Honda probably couldn’t have won the 2009 championship. Honda’s biggest weakness at that time was the mediocre Honda engine. Brawn striking a deal to use the Mercedes engine was crucial to their title win.
@3211SD
@3211SD Год назад
Is it cold in your house ? I think you need a scarf
@theread3480
@theread3480 Год назад
With Ferrari in 2008 as well Felipe would have won the championship if crash gate didn’t happen
@Lance_Lough
@Lance_Lough Год назад
Minton!
@lukedanielgalon1596
@lukedanielgalon1596 11 месяцев назад
Kubica still driving in LMP2 and stil performs
@barba9rupen2apex
@barba9rupen2apex Год назад
They do be spending them bags tho!🤑
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
More money, less points.
@edwardtustian6717
@edwardtustian6717 Год назад
Me when Tommo :)
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
🙌
@rusheelgongulur9689
@rusheelgongulur9689 Год назад
Only true tommo fans know that this title was changed two times
@thomasfairhurst1212
@thomasfairhurst1212 Год назад
is your cap a breaking bad reference?
@pendremacherald6758
@pendremacherald6758 Год назад
Your dog is cute.
@nerdculture6521
@nerdculture6521 Год назад
Honda is like that annoying Ex that will beg for your attention when you are not interested but will ghost as soon as things get good between you!!
@mike_romine
@mike_romine Год назад
How much is a point worth in prize money?
@bzilla1090
@bzilla1090 Год назад
It doesn't always work out having a works team, ask Toyota, BMW and Ford. BMW came the closest during the V8 era and could've been champions if they didn't focus on developing the next seasons car after McLaren were disqualified.
@KaraWisdom
@KaraWisdom Год назад
Honda probably would've lost the 2009 championship because their engine was appalling, without the mercedes ilmor in the back that car might not even win a race
@benbradbury3665
@benbradbury3665 Год назад
But what does an actual team spend today with marketing and driver pay and the contracting services they don’t cap
@finnjb3249
@finnjb3249 Год назад
If Honda had ran their 2009 car how they developed it (i.e. with a Honda engine not a Mercedes engine) then they wouldn't have done nearly as well as they did, Nick Fry has said that the Mercedes engine was one of the main reasons they were so much quicker
@dariusradu2369
@dariusradu2369 Год назад
Actually insane that the team that finished P10 in the championship in 2008 spent 40 MILLION $$ more during that season than even the top teams are allowed to spend nowadays. Blows my mind a bit.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Baffling eh. I can only assume that a sizeable chunk of that budget was going into the 2009 Honda... which obviously became the Brawn. That's the only way that level of uncompetitiveness in 2008 is remotely justifiable.
@dariusradu2369
@dariusradu2369 Год назад
​@@TommoOnRU-vidI was talking about Force India, but...sure😂
@turbo_brian
@turbo_brian Год назад
I always say, toyota doesn't know how to build sports cars. They're trying to change the narrative but the supra and 86 are made by other OEMs.
@gmark007isGianmarcoMaioli
@gmark007isGianmarcoMaioli Год назад
Correct me if I’m wrong, the 2009 Brawn chassis was from Honda, but the double-diffuser was introduced by Ross Brawn. Thus, the greatest advantage of that car might have not been present if Honda kept on managing the team.
@Neilios1000
@Neilios1000 Год назад
@Tommo, my immediate response to your "Triple Crown McLaren livery ... is stunning" comment was "ARE YOU HIGH?!??" I feel it is ultra busy and not a patch on their one-off Gulf livery from 2021. Obviously this kind of thing is subjective, so play your own game on that one. Weirdly, despite not being a Toyota person (I've long held a belief that if you buy a Toyota, you've given up on life), I was disappointed when Toyota pulled out as it was finally coming together, and there were races in 2009 where they were credible chances for a win. Oh, and for all you Toyota owners out there; I feel like Toyota have woken up in the last few years and are actually designing exciting cars again. The issue I had with them was that their cars were the personification of bland for a good two decades. However, it was obviously a winning marketing strategy, so what the hell do I know?
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Neil nooooo. TBF I do love colour blocking more than most, so that livery just hits my taste on the nose. Toyota are so hit and miss man, but then again they're the biggest car company in the world. Trying to be all things to all people, ain't easy. At least Lexus exists, I love a Lexus.
@Neilios1000
@Neilios1000 Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid Oh, I immediately saw the colour blocking which matched the classic Marlboro blocking, and was quietly impressed. But like I said, it's all a bit subjective and I clearly seem to be in the minority here, as I've seen nothing but praise. Actually, Lexus would be a good pull, and I could easily get behind a Lexus F1 team. I also wish Lexus would join the V8 Supercars (being Australian and all). Thanks for responding man. Much appreciated.
@Ikcatcher
@Ikcatcher Год назад
I can’t wait for Honda to immediately pussy out the millisecond Aston Martin starts declining
@jakem5039
@jakem5039 Год назад
Mercedes 2014-2019 would be interesting (isnt their budget over that time about $500m)
@oj7177
@oj7177 Год назад
No, it was around 420/430 from 2015 to 2019 or 2020
@Versatilty
@Versatilty Год назад
Correction: I know it's not really the reason for the video etc. but Obama ran for president in 2008 but didn't take office until January 2009
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ Год назад
I want Toyota back.
@ananastudio
@ananastudio Год назад
Nah, they should stay in WEC where they are at the top
@IGG2002
@IGG2002 Год назад
The 2008-2020 period was clearly INJUSTICE period.
@ifeelcoke4347
@ifeelcoke4347 Год назад
🐶 doggo
@gp2engine823
@gp2engine823 Год назад
MINTON
@LogieT2K
@LogieT2K Год назад
Snag dog!
@boyutang6990
@boyutang6990 Год назад
Once upon a time Ferrari was good :D
@yindyamarra
@yindyamarra Год назад
To many fins, those front fins looked horrible,
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
They were a bit much.
@LegoGrandPrix13
@LegoGrandPrix13 Год назад
@15:45: Cripto wil be the next bubble.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Hard to disagree 😬
@LegoGrandPrix13
@LegoGrandPrix13 Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid It's easy to say in hindsight. But I didn't see the value in Cripto and NFTs back then. Maybe it's autism, but for me everything has to have a visible value. :P
@orangeballs4536
@orangeballs4536 Год назад
imagine rog or razer logo on a mercedes louis vuitton on the ferrari that would look sick rather than those crypto stuff. then you have haas with a pringles logo that would be hilarious.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Capri Sun used to sponsor Force India ffs
@valecasini
@valecasini Год назад
It's a shame that Ferrari didn't win the Championship😢
@proffesionalretard
@proffesionalretard Год назад
The Sebastian Vettel effect
@MrBryan86
@MrBryan86 Год назад
only point I absolutely don't agree is the 2008 cars being ugly!!
@gp2engine823
@gp2engine823 Год назад
Monaco would have been quite successful, if something hadn't happened
@waverod9275
@waverod9275 Год назад
Does your pup think (s)he's a parrot?
@p0labecool123
@p0labecool123 Год назад
Love Bmw such a shame they left the sport
@deskher
@deskher Год назад
well they could have spend 600 million and finished 12th
@vatsaldvora
@vatsaldvora Год назад
Bring back the tobacco sponsorship days😂
@caitlin465
@caitlin465 Год назад
I mean Mclarens livery this week kind of looks like a cigar
@TakodaTGL
@TakodaTGL Год назад
@@caitlin465 Fr it does hahahahaha Orange filter white black literally a halfway smoked cig
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Well we already have e-ciggies, and they don't exactly bring the aesthetic. 😬
@AleksanderBrunsch3
@AleksanderBrunsch3 Год назад
Did he just say that 2008 cars were ugly?! *U N S U B S C R I B E*
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Ugly beautiful
@shltmeup9078
@shltmeup9078 Год назад
It kinda feels to me that 2008 was an old version of 2021( last year before new regs, championship fight with a controversial end in the last lap etc)
@kianolner3818
@kianolner3818 Год назад
Hamilton was champion, Massa is my champion, but everyone knows Kubica was the best driver that year. Argue with a wall because I don’t need to justify.
@hamza-chaudhry
@hamza-chaudhry Год назад
You actually liked that Toyota livery? I thought it was one of the worst that season.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Hamza nooooooooooo
@beauty.of.the.struggle
@beauty.of.the.struggle 11 месяцев назад
"ugly"?? Bro, were you watching an entirely different sport? 2008 produced probably some of the best looking cars of all time. This HAD to have been sarcasm
@MrReese
@MrReese Год назад
Would like to see one of those videos for some seasons closer to today, like let's say during the Red Bull Vettel dominated era and the Mercedes dominated era. Because there are people who are of the opinion that Mercedes was only on top because they out-spent everyone like crazy. While I know this is not true whatsoever (there are articles about it) it would be nice to see someone with a bigger voice show how things actually were in those days.
@TakodaTGL
@TakodaTGL Год назад
Right before the global financial crisis 😂😂😂 Crazy how alot of teams could stay alive. Not honda however 😢
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Both Honda teams didn't make it past the year end. 😬
@TPH250290
@TPH250290 Год назад
Toyota and BMW were done not long after though, and Renault scaled back too. Only Ferrari and Mercedes had the strength to power through.
@TakodaTGL
@TakodaTGL Год назад
@@TPH250290 Redbull also powered through but they came from further back iguess.
@TPH250290
@TPH250290 Год назад
@@TakodaTGL I was talking about manufacturers. Obviously Red Bull survived the effects of the financial crash on F1, they were a customer team.
@DjDolHaus86
@DjDolHaus86 Год назад
I think there's something wrong with your parrot, mate?
@egkol849
@egkol849 Год назад
I miss the cigarettes sponsors
@ryanq9843
@ryanq9843 Год назад
Well I’m sure some F1 Fans are not missing having Lung Cancer despite the logos looking good
@nicholasbelardo4273
@nicholasbelardo4273 Год назад
And this is exactly why all the idiots who put Red Bull's dominant car down to their overspend, are exactly that.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
If a $500k overspend = 0.5% performance gain then I'll get a loan for Williams myself.
@andresmartinezramos7513
@andresmartinezramos7513 Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid I will home-cook for Ferrari if that is what it takes
@AllGuitarSucks
@AllGuitarSucks Год назад
Honda CEOs needs to chill
@MooncricketsInc
@MooncricketsInc Год назад
So in 15 years, F1 lost their sound,grid girls,refueling, some tracks, and their balls.. RiP
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