Lois in this case actually exhibited behavior seen in her past incarnations. Rash judgement, hot tempered, jumping into dangerous situations just to get to the bottom of a story, all character traits we've seen of her in past versions. The fact that the writers of the show made the audience fall in love with her before we saw all this just shows how well written her character is. People are just mad cause until this point, they just viewed her as a reincarnation of Luz Noceda.
Damn, you just made too much sense. People were expecting Lois to act like adult Luz, not what she actually is: simply another Lois. It's funny that ep 8 really hammers in the notion that she is an alternate universe Lois, I swear these authors had 9.9/10 foresight about internet reactions.
So I am one of the people in on the Luz = Lois jokes/memes, and I am not pissed since I don't see how what happened was ever out of character for Lois proper or for Luz.
That was after her figure out herself already know when he’s superman and was actually shocked that someone was able to injured and even the show showed she wasn’t in the right ether in that scene
I've said this elsewhere: Lois isn't upset at Clark, she is upset at her father. The biggest reason she liked him was his ethics. She thought she found a guy who was exactly the opposite of her father. Now it turns out he has a double life too and it is bringing out all her old resentments. Why do you think she became a "Crusading Journalist"? It's not so strange really. My grandmother said that the reason she fell for my grandfather in the first place was "he was the kindest man I had ever met." Considering that her father's way of greeting her was to loudly complain about how fat she had gotten, I cannot say I am surprised.
I think its more specifically thats she`s upset that clark is acting uncomfortably like her father in these instances. Especially near the end of the episode where hes blatantly lying about being fine despite the huge injuries he took. Thats no far off from how her father hid all the problem her family was having until it all came crashing down.
They were not even officially dating yet. She felt betrayed by Clark lying to her yes but seeing how she liked him because she thought he was honest and exactly who he appeared to be, that's fine. And it was resolved quickly.
The difference between them is this. When Lois is written to be impulsive, sometimes hypercritical and having trust issues it's written as a flaw. She says sorry to clark about lying and she tends to apologize later. With Amber the writing forces invisible to apologize and the story acts like he is the issue.
Invincible’s story also frames Mark as 100% in the wrong and Amber 100% in the right. While MAWS clearly portrays the issue as more gray with both characters having valid points.
While it might be true that the writing is painting Amber as right and Mark as wrong its also being done to push them away as a couple. Its forced drama before the true paring happens.
At least we can all agree about three things: 1- Jimmy is the best. 2 - Clark being a farm himbo is a gift from God. 3 -Lois and Clark had no business being THIS HOT!
They've always been this great. The best part of the Lois and Clark relationship is that it actually has a lot of room to grow and change. Whether it is the more classic relationship where Lois love Superman but think Clark's a dork, or she knows the secret identify and grows to appreciate the man behind the suit or their married and have eyes for only each other. It's a wonderful relationship built on friendship and mutual respect.
I like how the video isn't straight up HATE for Amber, and more just complaining about how she was handled! What I think they should have done was have her figure things out about Mark, but then debate confronting him because he's technically doing the right thing by rushing off to save lives.
Or alternatively just have her not know and be genuinely hurt by him “leaving her to die”, have him reveal his identity and her asking him to let her have time to process things That or ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AukwzDrgnMs.html
I always found Amber unlikeable in the show. Her personality within itself just rubs me the wrong way. I never cared about the race change and whatnot because the comic Amber was barely even a character anyway. I honestly was a little hopeful and excited about what changing her character might bring only to be disappointed with what we got. In short, I never really liked her and that big fight was just the cherry on top.
I’m hoping invincible S2 follows the comics cause pretty much nobody wants or likes Amber in the show. She’s an entitled brat character who wants absolute loyalty no question asked, they should’ve just stayed broken up at the end of S1. I know in the comics Amber wasn’t much in the comics just the GF drama character that served that role well but in the show it’s like an unwanted rude house guest
the weirdest thing was i've learned that Amber was completely differently handled in the graphic novel and that everyone either A) liked her character or B) at the very least, agreed she was handled much better. i don't understand why they decided to change her personality so drastically in the show
I found out that original Comic Amber was super Sweet. But also reasonably concerned for Mark. It makes us all love her, and later on feel heartbreak for whatever happens to her later.
Also what a lot of people seem to forget this. Lois grew up with a father who was always super secretive. It got to a point where she doesn't even talk to him anymore because of how distant he is. To find out that the guy you find you have good chemistry with doing the same thing to you can feel like a betrayal. Edit: Now am I saying that justifies her jumping off a building just to prove a point. NO, but it does explain WHY she did it and WHY she was so mad at Clark. She just doesn't want to go through all that secrecy with her father all over again except this time with a man she's dating.
that still does ntoe xcuse her actions, no matter how is her life was, especially where she did not apologise for that, and is never adressed the fact that she jumped on the building to next episode
Your right, and while it was unintentional, he did manipulate her too. That being said, Lois is a hypocrite (tho it's not just this version, all the Lois' are, lol). As the video pointed out, she's been doing her own share of lying and manipulating too, especially on both Clark and Jimmy. While it not in the same, and for different reasons, she's doing the same thing she's mad at Clark (and was mad at her Dad) for doing!
That reasoning falls apart when you realize Lois shouldn't have lied to Clark (and Jimmy) in the first episode, if she really resents her father who always kept secrets and lied then why would she do the same thing to people she cares about? Even when they start dating Lois still hides the sphere/kryptonite from him. if she actually practiced what she preaches she would've told him the next episode than reassure him she trusts he isn't a bad person, but she only does that later when Clark is at his lowest. Lois is a hypocrite
Amber hated that Mark wasn't spending enough time with her while he was out saving people, and felt entitled to his secret just because. She was mad at Mark for saving people and expressed no sympathy or concern for his safety. Lois hated that Clark kept lying even when she made it clear to him she knows he was lying, she expressed concern for Clark's safety, not concern over how much time they are spending together. She wasn't mad he was saving people, she simply hates being lied to or someone not being upfront with her, like her father did with her mother's health. Lois is not Amber.
and that Mark never gave a reason for constantly bailing on her until after they broke up! I know that Lois and Amber are not the same but I don't like this narrative that Amber is just being an entitled b**ch
I think a lot of people misunderstand the scene bc the writers did a bad job at explaining, but basically Amber figured out Mark was Invincible during the Cyborg attack and she wasn't mad that Mark ran away, but rather that he ran away to put on his costume, while his friend was being choked to death by a cyborg. She calls him a coward for caring more about his secret identity than his best friend. That was supposed to be the point, but they wrote it really really vague since we never get Amber's POV.
@@davidbodor1762yes, thank you. i never understood how most viewer could miss that point. this plot act was about the trope „i am the hero so i need to have a secret identity thingy“. this balancing of private life and super hero life. in this scene, where mark tells amber that he is this superhero guy, he was arrogant and self absorbed. that made me angry. he did not make his friends a priority when they got attacked. he made his secret a priority. he lied and justified that for weeks. when your doing good stuff you don’t have to lie about that. amber deserves to know stuff and then chooses for herself if she wants to deal with that kind of life. and civilians don’t need a savior. superhero stories are all about balancing ethics and morals. not about saving the day and get the praise for that.
I don't get why people compare Lois to Amber when Jimmy is closer to Amber in the whole "knew about the protagonists identity and didn't tell them" thing. And once again MAWS did this much better because while Jimmy disliked Clark hiding this from him he respected his boundaries and never blamed him for things he knew weren't his fault.
I'm glad someone else pointed out how Jimmy gave Clark agency to his identity while Lois didn't, it was a weird thing to add and it makes the relationship sour to me
@@prophetofbara1214 it's all just part of lois' character. Having experienced her father hide so many secrets and slowly distance himself from her, Lois has developed a dislike to anyone who lies or witholds secrets. And she was especially angry with Clark because it's the one person she genuinely loves, and now the revelation is souring it for her. Hence why she gives no shit and directly confronts Clark about it. She feels betrayed yet again just like she was with her father. It's an acceptable flaw in someone brought forth by childhood experience.
I love this version of Lois. Because for once, she feels like a real character. Not just a character’s girlfriend. She makes mistakes but that’s part of being human, and she apologizes for them. The story doesn’t try to pretend she’s automatically right. And in the end, that makes the payoff of her and Clark getting together, all the more satisfying.
I agree. If all that drama and misery didn't come first, those fireworks going off when they have their first kiss would be far too cheesy. Nah, the writers wanted to make this romance feel earned. It definitely helps that Lois went from obsessing over getting secrets out of Clark to wanting to help him learn more about his heritage, as a way of repaying him for all the good things he's done for her. Character development right there.
And it feels natural. Lois does make mistakes but her character feels complete and understandable here. She’s not just some one dimensional love interest who Clark likes for superficial reasons like in the comics.
@@phantomslay5612 You know, it always bugs me whenever people dismiss Lois as "hypocritical" because of the time when she lied to Clark and Jimmy about helping her with a case, and later revealing she hates being lied to. It makes me wonder if they even watched the first episode in its entirety, because at the end of its climax, she apologizes profusely and owns up to her mistake. And after that, she sticks to her guns and makes efforts to do better. I don't see how apologizing for a mistake that aligns with something you detest the most and actually learning from it makes someone hypocritical.
"The story doesn’t try to pretend she’s automatically right" but that's EXACTLY what Episode 6 was about. Her literally denying him the right to be correct in a situation HE WAS RIGHT FOR. EP 6 literally focused on her guilt tripping Clark with HER emotional needs, and ignoring that he had his own to take care of. SO much so that the show FORCED Clark to apologize when he hadnt done anything wrong. Worse yet the statement is inherently wrong becasue she has YET to apologize herself.
One thing the episode right after Lois's jump - their search for Jimmy - did was it made hindsight better. She made it very clear that her anger with Clark stemmed from a hurt, which in turn didn't come from him keeping a secret, but that him keeping that big a secret and being willing to go as far as he did to keep it, left her feeling very uncertain about where they stood as friends and as something more. Lois couldn't see where the lie ended and the truth began, and that made her feel very insecure and manipulated. All of that could apply to Amber too, but the Superman show takes the time to explore that. We get 'the love interest perspective'. Would love a shipping video about them from you! You always add an interesting perspective.
Where the episode FAILS is that it doesn't let Clark set the reality of HIS boundaries. It just lets her guilt trip him into accepting the blame and telling Jimmy, when at the end of the day its still a personal problem on her side. Clark doesn't get to defend himself from being vilified to her problems, and is forced to take the fault. Like a real person SHE ignores the fact he has personal reasons for keeping his secrets, ignores the fact he had the right to the privacy of said secret, ignores the fact that the ONLY lie's he ever told her were to keep his secret secure, ignores the fact she wasn't entitled to said secret, and ignores the fact that SHE was in the wrong about how she handled the situation. She's acting like a real person and people are reasonably getting mad at her for the same reason they would get mad at a real person doing what she does. What s sad is that the show doesn't act like Clark has the right to defend himself against Lois emotionally, acting like Lois being upset emotionally is more important that Clark being treated fairly, which is a very real issue IRL and is sad to see even a fictional character get away with it like it ISN'T a problem.
@@windstar120025 His boundaries are unhealthy and not only hurt Lois, but Jimmy as well as this was the reason why he was captured. Boundaries can be unhealthy by distancing you from others and that causes them to not feel trusted. All the harping on how great they are ignore the truth of life that lying is the beginning of evil, and Clark started something very evil here by lying and hurt not just himself, but others.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 EXCEPT NO THEY Aren't, at least not here.. His boundaries and simple interest to keep his secret secure has only ever caused potential harm to anyone on ONE occasion and that was the conflict of not showing up for Jimmy, which was direvn ENTIRELY by Lois' insecurity with honesty, afterall they only forgot because She blew up on Clark. Every time they had gotten in trouble it has had NOTHING to do with Clarks secret or him keeping it secure, and always to do with Lois and Jimmy being the type of people to throw themselves into the action when sanity would suggest they don't, which is entirely on them. Boundaries are Clarks right, like it is for everyone else. Lois DOES NOT have the right to push Clark as the problem when it is her insecurities that are driving the conflict. There is this whole topic of how it's looking at both sides but arguments like yours forget that the show is COMPLETELY SKIMPING on Clarks perspective being meaningful here as well. It's ALL about how Lois feels and NONE about Clarks reasons being valid. Now hopefully this will change but this isn't good relationship standards to live by, Clark CANT be in the wrong, JUST because Lois has insecurities, without validating the many people who invade their partners privacy just because their suspicious. We cant validate this behaviour because it's reflective of a real life problem.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 Lois wasn't hurt by Clarks boundaries, she was hurt because SHE prioritized her needs above his boundaries and privacy. Jimmy got hurt, because Lois raged so hard at Clark their priorities changed for a bit. All issues still lead back to Lois
@@windstar120025I'm glad you mentioned the safety issue because people defending Lois don't seem to realize Clark is keeping his secret is to protect those he loves as well as himself. It feels really wrong that he can never have agency for himself but Lois can. And what made the Jimmy rescue episode worse for me is Jimmy knew Clark's identity and yet he still respected Clark enough to tell him on his own terms, and Lois doesn't ever self reflect on that situation, she just gets mad at Jimmy for not telling her. Jimmy gave Clark agency to his own identity but Lois didn't, that's not a good way to start a relationship
One of my favorite subversions of this trope happens in Ben 10. When Julie finds out that Ben is a superhero, she supports him and tries to be as understanding as possible. Their relationship is considerably troubled, but the fact that she actually supports him from the beggining is just so refreshing and wholesome imo.
Lois has and always will act like she has a super powerful boyfriend who will get her out of her bullshit at all times. Even the Harley Quinn show poked fun at it. Her character has always had knife kid vine energy and Clark is there to balance her out. Because despite the fact he is a literal god among men, the scariest thing in the universe is the bat shit woman who has him wrapped around her thumb. I love that this show is leaning into that so much. 😂
Amber is toxic, and the Invincible writers seem to think her views and actions are justified. In contrast Lois is a sympathetic character who exhibits human flaws. I don't think the Superman writers expect the audience to cosign on her behavior. I just wish they'd fix some of the tumblrish dialog.
In the Comics, the Same Thing happend with Amber. With one key diffrence - Amber did not knew he was a Super Hero and instead feared He was selling drugs or something like that.
@@BrotherMag actually No. The Comic writer is actually heavily involved. But because (WARNING SPOILER AHEAD) Amber will not play a big role later on. In the Comic there would be Just on scene Post season 2 (when it will Release), where Amber is Seen.
Lois is infinitely more likable and entertaining too. Amber is just a boring character regardless of the “I always knew you were Invincible. You giving me attention is more important than you saving lives.” moment
By far, honestly, it is just the worst offender in how show adapted comic in general. The only episode that didn't suck was Atom Eve one, because every other flanderizes everyone to a point of being parodies of themselves and CW melodrama trash book mocked.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 I wouldn't say *EVERYONE* was flanderized. Debbie, for example, was much more proactive to the Omni-Man mystery than she was in the comics.
@@michaelstrong5383 I honestly think, barring Amber, the female characters were all handled better in the show. Eve in the comic was just kind of obsessed with Mark and even starts dating Will to try to get close to him, and when that doesn't work out she seems to just ditch superhero stuff to go to Africa, while in the show while she's still into Mark she tends to make a lot of decisions based on her own ideas.
This is why I love the retcon that MJ always knew Peter was Spider-Man. The drama is less about him continually missing dates and more about how many times she has to be put through him almost dying. And then One More Day happens.
@@michaelstrong5383 I really miss Nick Spencer's run. I swear aside from the Kindred mystery going on too long it's only real problems were due to editorial meddling.
@@valentinkambushev4968Peter has been through a lot even before One More Day became a thing, but they managed to balance the good with the bad. Nowadays, it feels like the world just can't give him a break.
Lois was worried about Clark’s safety and hated that he still kept lying to her, even when she made it clear she knows he’s lying. She’s also mad that she’s been on a wild goose chase this whole time when the answer was right there. Amber, did not give a shit that Mark was saving people or his safety. She merely felt entitled to his secret just because they were dating. Like that gives her a free pass to know that. These two are not the same.
She did not feel entitled to the secret identity it the bare minimum of not lying to your partner and making them a priority in you life. If you are getting serious with someone you are dating, you should tell them your secret identity instead of stinging the person along knowing the secret identity is a root cause for the relationship problems.
@@mangamandrew I must disagree. Secrets are secrets for a reason, if Mark didn’t want to tell Amber his secret yet because it’s his secret identity (something that can place both of them in danger) then he’s allowed to keep it. Amber did not care that he was saving people, did not appreciate that he saved her life, or even being sympathetic to his situation in the least. She’s in the wrong.
@@aaroneclipse514 Except he did want to tell her his secret but just didn’t. And while secrets are secret for a reason, that does not mean they have to remain secrets from everyone. And just because he was saving lives does not mean she can’t be mad at Mark for being a bad BF. She had no idea that Mark was the one that saved them. She did not know who “Invincible” was. Him making her feel stupid and unimportant, lying to her, and breaking his promise have nothing to do with the secret identity inherently. Even if he was not a superhero, but still acted the same, her reasons for being made at mark would still exist.
@@mangamandrew did you watch the show? She said she figured out his identity weeks ago. Meaning she knew it was him when he saved her at the College and even prior. And she was still pissed at him for no reason other than entitlement. It’s HIS secret, he’s allowed to share it whenever he feels it’s right. But Amber doesn’t understand that because she’s the type of person who expects a guy to share his credit number after dating him for a few days. Yes he did want to tell her, but Eve made it clear to him he has to choose the right moment and determine if she is the right person because once he does it he can’t take it back. He can’t just share it out of the blue because it puts his life and even hers in jeopardy. Heck, if they break up she may even have blackmail on him. It’s not simple.
@@aaroneclipse514 no, she said she knew he was a “superhero” for weeks. But knowing he is a superhero does not mean she knows he is Invincible. And she was made because he lied to her and broke his promise. And while he is allowed to keep his secret identity, if he wanted to continue the relationship, he needed to fix his behavior which he was unwilling to do while his secret identity is secret. She expected Mark to not lie to her. Keep a secret is not lying but lying to keep the secret is. And while yes, Eve does say that, Mark already decided he wanted to tell her but kept stringing her along while being an asshole. And what puts her life in jeopardy more than revealing the secret is being in a relationship with them. Her life is in danger ether or not she knows his secret identity as a superhero because she is dating a superhero. He would not be sharing out of the blue because sharing with Amber would be no different that sharing it with Eve, someone he had known just as long as Amber. Amber established that the relationship was serious, Mark almost gave up be a hero because of Amber so that means that if he was willing to do that for her then he should have told her sooner. You don’t give up being a hero for someone you are not serious with.
The whole “Amber’s known for weeks” reveal honestly felt like it was just there to subvert expectations, but the writers didn’t put enough thought into it and it ended up contradicting things and making Amber a hypocrite, which is weird considering that the rest of the show feels pretty well planned out
Reminder in a really old superman comic, Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane, Lois' car breaks down on her way to work and her solution was to jump off a cliff so that Superman can catch her and fly her to the Daily Planet. Except Superman was out in space at the time so she just ended up hitting the ground and getting a brain injury.
Also, the episode before episode five, is revealed that Lois has a lot of trust issues, based on what happened to her father. So when she finds out Clark secret, you got a wonder what she’s thinking. Who is Clark and who is Superman? Is the person I love genuine or is this all just the cover to protect the secret. That’s probably was running through her head is completely genuine
I’m loving the show and how it’s handling it’s characters. Thank god these versions of jimmy and Lois aren’t stupid enough to not figure out Clark is Superman cause we all joke about how they act like some glasses makes Clark look completely different💀.
To be fair, I started a job during Covid times and I actually couldn’t tell half the people I worked with in and out of masks so the whole glasses/mask thing isn’t actually that impossible to happen. Additionally yeah it’s not just his glasses Clark actually changes his whole demeanor,behavior and posture to make it look like he the two are completely separate beings
To be fair, if a superhero suddenly started saving people all over the people, you also would never assume it's the person closest to you. But Clark made it really easy for them to figure it out.
Good comparison of how Lois is NOT as bad as Amber. I honestly think that Lois was wrong to do what she did to expose Clark's secret since it wasn't hers to know until Clark was ready to tell, but I understand why Lois would do what she did. I honestly think that Lois and Clark will be able to work out this issue better than Mark and Amber because Lois and Clark do genuinely care about each other, and they haven't even started a relationship.
Lois is actually well written and nowhere near toxic. Jumping off the building was a toxic thing to do, but it's not poor writing they're flawed. All the characters are flawed. The major issue I think people have with it, is what entitled Lois to know Clark's the secret, when he had every reason to believe she'd blab about it? She's not a bad character, she just made a bad choice.
As the video said, "Lois is messy!" Really all versions of Lois are, as even Ep. 8 spoofed, lol! Fortunately, all animated versions, and live-action TV versions, of Clark are not "mild-mannered" doormats. Really, most of the iterations in recent decades aren't. He does get angry, and will snap back! Same for ALL versions of Superman! And I think you're right, while some are comparing her to (their perception of) Amber, some people are upset that Lois felt entitled to Clark's secret from the start. Even with her issues with her father, she only recently met Clark. Thinking he's automatically obligated to tell her he's Superman wouldn't sit right with many. (Interestingly, all versions of Lois get angrier at a character when she gets mad and they respond in kind, including Clark/Supes. Like they suppose to let her yell at them and just take it. Sorry Lois, but no way everyone would be okay with that. Even more interesting is in this case, both Lois and Clark got mad at each other for lying/manipulating each other and keep secrets from each other (as the video also mentions). Then, they got madder cause the other wasn't understanding their thoughts and feelings about it. THEN each got angrier because the other was mad at them! And Lois, like again all other Lois', got even angrier because again Clark responded in kind to her yelling at him! Her both pushing her insecurities and trust issues from her father onto Clark and in opposition to his insecurities was the icing on the cake.)
Well because Lois is still a good person, and Clark sees that in her. Which is why he was still so supportive about her Superman quest, and why near the end of episode 3, he allowed her to do the interview. And also why immediately after the interview when Lois apologized to Clark for putting him in danger, he forgave her and reassured her.
Let me preface by saying, I like this new Lois. She's enthusiastic and hard-working with backstory and motivations that make sense for how her character has developed over her life span. She is not perfect either, as it was mentioned, she has a rather human reckless streak that has bitten her on more than one occasion. Lois is better written than Amber, by far, her disdain for his secret keeping behaviors is more foreshadowed throughout the episodes and she seems to genuinely care about Clark when he got hurt fighting crime....HOWEVER, throwing herself off of the roof was not the way to handle it because she never confirmed that as truth. You can frame that as conviction...but in truth, IF she was wrong (which she so single-mindedly believed she wasn't), then she instantaneously proved that she was content letting the burden of her crumpled body on the sidewalk fall solely on Clark's shoulders. She cared more about being right in that moment than she ever did about Clark. I understand that she was hurt, but she directed all of that pain and more at someone who had been as kind and supportive of her as he could be given the genuine gravity of his true identity. Putting this kind of burden on someone who is close to you, even if you think you can rely on them to endure it, is cruel at best. Moreover, even if she is right, what if Clark decided it was for the best to let her fall? Clark is genuinely a stand up guy among stand up guys, but what if Superman thought that his complete anonymity was too valuable? She would still have died.... She (in an understandable fit of anger against his secrecy and reckless behavior) threw her life away in an equally reckless fashion. Even if she is trying to prove a point, there may be repercussions to those actions that could have never been taken back. Clark is reckless because he naturally can be....not to say that he should be reckless, but the writer's are aware that she and him cannot handle life threatening challenges in the same way. When he later saves her from being shot at and is asked if he knew that he was bulletproof, his response was, "I just knew you weren't." This is the same reckless behavior both of them keep expressing...it comes from a good place, but it's mindless and only one of them can bank on taking chances like that. Lastly, juxtaposed to Jimmy's reaction, Lois did not handle the reveal of Clark's identity well. Jimmy is Clark's best friend, but the 3 of them are often depicted as being equally close (minus the romantic interests). Moreover, Jimmy was not as invested in finding out Superman's identity and likely knew even less than she did despite living with him, while Lois was so wholeheartedly certain to the point that she would jump off a building to verify the claim. Why are their responses so different? Because she is obsessive and wants to be right. Yes, she is hurt, but she had not displayed signs of being depressed to the point of self-harm. She threw herself off simply because she wanted to know something she already knew, and then blew up at him afterward for not telling her what she already knew. If you are that certain, why do you need to risk your life to force it out of him? Again... I love Lois, and I could see many people doing some questionable things when someone they care about deeply is keeping large secrets from them, but this was extreme and shows some real cracks in the pavement.
Exactly. People can't be entitled to know other people's secrets. Privacy is a right everyone should have. Some secrets are there to protect themselves or others. Imagine if Lois was trying to bully someone else to reveal they were gay or had been abused in the past? All of a sudden, it reads as obviously toxic. Which it still is with Clark. This is not an acceptable way to handle privacy and I wish the writing would stop trying to make them look equally culpable, when Lois is the one who needs to learn to respect people's boundaries. (even if she is a reporter... even they need to follow the law)
I get where you're coming from, but imo this is a good take on a young Lois who is so reckless and tunnel-visioned in her quest for truth that she would literally throw herself off a building to prove a point. This is kind of the crux of her character-she has good intuition for a story but the self preservation of a lemming. In literally the first episode she insists on staying for the fight just because she wants to know what's going on. In my opinion, if the writers are at all competent she will start to be more willing to think things through and plan her investigations, rather than having "fuck around, find out" be her motto. This is the start of a character arc, and it will hopefully end in a place where she is more able to judge when something is worth the danger (and also how putting herself in danger takes a toll on other people, Clark especially). She is kind of self centred at the moment, and that makes me excited to see what will change her to be more willing to look at things from other people's points of view.
@notlurking2128 This is the exact mindset I'm watching with too. She is learning and making some bad decisions, like any human being would, on their way to finding a fulfilling pupose. This iteration, is probably my favorite BECAUSE she isn't a perfect character out of the box. She has a role in the story and enough room to visibly progress without undermining the rest of the story. That's how you know the writer's took great care when they wrote her.
@chronorogue863 I can agree to an extent. Everyone does have a right to privacy, but keeping important secrets from the people you care about and surround yourself with will only lead to tension and pain in the future. She wasn't right to force it out of him, and she certainly did not make it easy to talk about with how often she bashed Superman in front of Clark, but he needed to lower his walls to the few trustworthy people who were bound to find out eventually. Bottling stress and putting up extra walls to isolate oneself in one aspect or another is also a toxic behavior. In short, their association (while very cute) was destined to be toxic, and they both can do better.
5:26 - The thing a lot of people miss there, where she calls him a coward, I think that's where she put it together that Mark IS Invincible, and she's calling him a coward not because Mark ran away, but rather because Mark ran away to put on his costume instead of immediately saving his best friends life who was almost choked out by a cyborg. Essentially calling out that he cares more about his secret identity than his best friend's life. I think a lot of people just interpret this as her being mad at Mark, and that's a disservice to Amber. But yes, I agree, the writers did it badly, they should've explained it straightforwardly, bc clearly everyone assumed the worst.
People aren't missing anything. What your saying isn't supported much by the show. It's head canon. What is in the show is lines like "You took off. You left us here with that thing." and "I'm not an idiot, I figured it out weeks ago." Next you will say Amber was lying about figuring it out to cover for the fact that she hadn't figured it out. She never, not even once, calls him out forvaluing his secret identity over his best friend's life. She only calls him out for flaking and lying.
@@JinzoTK You literally quote the line "You took off. You left us here with that thing." Yes, he left to put on his costume while his best friend was about to be murdered by a cyborg bot. She also says 'who was that?' after Mark flies away when the fight was done, so how does that mesh with her saying she figured it out weeks ago in your opinion? She also says as a joke that Mark was off saving the world when they go on a date, which could be read as her not knowing and just joking, or she's suspecting him and just tries to give a hint so that Mark would open up about it and tell her the truth. The writers didn't make it clear what she knew and when and whether she suspected it and just wasn't sure before, because we aren't following Amber's POV.
@@davidbodor1762 It doesn't mesh. The writers did a poor job and messed up her character with that she knew line. We all know that. And we are right to assume the worst of her given what we know and is shown. My point was you said people are missing something when in fact your point is basically your own head canon and until new scenes in the show release supporting your point, the show as it is currently is actually doing the opposite. Because based on your logic, I could just say: "Unfortunately, people are missing a major character trait of Amber. She is self-reliant, independent, likes having all the facts, and knowing that she is the smartest in the room. So when Mark revealed his identity to her, she had to pretend she knew all along because it was obvious in hindsight and not figuring it out herself makes her look stupid. That's why the previous scenes don't make sense. Its because she is lying. She is pretending to have known because she doesn't want that to be an excuse." In fact, the writers could go this route to give Amber more flaws and have the previous scenes mesh better. Would fans like it, at this point, no. The show itself went out of its way to make her right.
Here are the reasons Lois>>>Amber: 1. Lois actually gives a damn about Clark's safety and wellbeing 2. Lois takes charge in confronting Clark about his offense against her. No passive-aggressive silent treatment nonsense. 3. We actually see Lois figure out Clark's identity herself(show, don't tell) 4. The script doesn't try to gaslight us into thinking Lois is a Mary Sue. We're shown she has flaws and she admits them when she makes up with Clark.
in regards to that final point, FUCKING PREACH! and here's the painful irony: anyone who is shitting on her for not doing what THEY want her to do would flat out call her a Mary Sue if she DID do what they want her to do.
I think the funniest thing about this video is learning that Lois Lane in the comics leaps out of buildings with zero provocation. I mean at least thisLois knew that Superman was right in front of her and she was in no actual danger, the comics ones are like "elevator's broken, not interested in stairs, I'll just jump out the window and hope Superman saves me!".
No she wasn't she was mad that her bf only told the secret to get out of an argument. Not out of trust. Plus the entire show every character is telling Mark to tell Amber bc that classic superhero thing doesn't work, that's why nobody felt sad for him bc they warn & told him to just tell her off the bat
Lois was still acting out of entitlement, whether she felt betrayed doesn't change that it was privileged information she had no right to force out of him. She was acting out a need/desire to be told the truth regardless of the reason it was kept from her. Imagine being mad at someone for not coming out the closet to you, or being mad at them for not telling you about a history with Abuse. She knew the secret and still refused to even remotely think that Clark had the right to keep it private.
Thank youuuu oh my god I can't read two sentences into a reddit discussion about Amber before they try to pin "race swapping" as the problem and no one ever talks about how she's written as a painfully obvious stopgap measure before Eve and Mark get together
People have clearly low-ley forgotten the problems with Amber if they think Lois is anywhere near that level. That being said, the biggest takeaway I had this whole thing is a study in bad arguments when it comes to defending and hating something. So... a normal day on Twitter.
I think the better comparison is actually Amber and Jimmy. They both knew this whole time and were pissed when Clark/Mark came out to them. The comparison shows what you should do and what you shouldn’t. Amber knew and got pissed every time Mark returned after Invincible left. I guess she was trying to pressure him into telling her (which, btw, is still different from how Lous did it as she more hinted at and only jumped off a building when he met he concern with more lies) meanwhile, Jimmy knew the who time and while he dropped a few opportunities for Clark to open up (ie, “why does our alarm clock keep exploding?”) doesn’t ever get upset when Clark returns because it’s up to Clark to open up when he’s ready.
...I'm mean no she was a nothing character in the comics they made her an actual character I'f fans want to misrepresent what happened or Walter White the story by putting the blame on Amber that's fine but at least this Amber is a character Like this isn't new It's the Skylar White issue where fans don't grasp that Mark was a shit person he could have handled it way better the secret identity isn't even the issue At least Clark said he was going out to grab bagels Mark just out right neglected her and made no attempt to explain anything
@@YakuKikyo yes, so Rowling should be banned from writing Harry Potter. Seems fair. Edit: New Danny Phantom comic is pretty loved and there's no Butch in sight. All the while Bioshock 2 gets more love than sequel from original creator and Origins story is pretty much better than anything Rocksteady tried to do. Sometime fans do know better than creators who go up their asses.
@@demonking-zm3rs it's no Skylar White and Amber actually had good role in the story as also a mocker of melodrama in the comic book relationships and how better to avoid that shit, all the while display of healthy break up. If there's a choice to make a competently written character who serves commentary well or bitch who story tries and fails to justify and becomes a prime example of "woke writing", I will take first one.
The best fix for amber ive ever seen, is if they retcon Amber into being Darkwing's daughter, and have her be pissed over him recklessly throwing himself at stuff repeatedly, rather than focusing on rescuing only, and avoiding fighting, with her reasoning being that she JUST lost her dad to that kind of shit, and meanwhile mark is doing the same kind of reckless stupid things. Without the retcon, amber retroactively becomes a MAJOR manipulative narcissist.
Can we talk about how the Superman cartoon got away with a reference to a romcom reverse harem anime in an episode about exploring the multiverse instead of comparing two love interests that aren’t even close to similar
It is because humans look for similar traits in things they perceive as negative to not eat something else that is dangerous but this trait has some unintended side effects on the media we consume
Looking back, it kind of makes sense why Amber was mad at Mark for leaving her during the Cyberman attack despite knowing he's Invincible. In her eyes he could've saved her and Will right then and there, but he valued his secret identity more.
@@Scalesthelizardwizardokay, why is that an issue. Also, Spiderman has at multiple occasions has revealed his secret to others. Also, people in universe won’t have the same understanding of a secret identity as the viewers.
@@mangamandrewusually to people he trusted right? Like people he fought alongside for a long while. (I mostly seen the cartoons and stuff so who knows if there was some comic I missed) If Batman started spouting to Commissioner Gordon or some doctor in the Asylum that he's also Bruce Wayne then having a secret identity has no point. People will start targeting them just to get at the newly found out Brucie Batman. It's the usual rule for most super hero types.
@@jamesbond3w Not every time. In the movies, he has revealed his secret identity to people to help save them or to people he wanted to build a stronger relationship with. This spans from all forms of media. And the thing is that there is a difference between telling people you don’t know vs people that you trust/are close too. And the thing is that if a villain finds out the secret identity, it’s going to in danger the people around them. While Batman keeps his identity secret, he also keeps people at arms length. The point being that even if you tell no one your secret, a single accident can cause everyone you know to be targeted wether or not they know your secret identity
Lois sped run Superman's secret identity and I respect it. Episode 1, she never saw his face. Episode 2, she briefly saw his face after surviving what I assume has been the first ever superhuman battle in history. Episode 3, is able to fully see him, acknowledge him, and realizes exactly who Superman is. It's great that the show allowed Lois to logically acknowledge Clark's identity.
Episode 4 Learns his identity, Episode 5 abuses that information out of a sense of entitlement to force him to "Reveal" his secret then immediately attacks him for keeping a reasonable secret, Episode 6 pushes all the fault of HER actions onto him and guilt trips him into accepting the blame, Episode 7 acts like she didn't completely disrespect his right to privacy.
One argument I've heard someone make against Lois was that her knowing Clark's Superman puts her in danger....as if the fact that Lois being put in danger and Superman coming to save her wasn't so prevalent that it's been acknowledged and made fun of in various adaptations from the second Christopher Reeve movie to the DCAU
I'm honestly so glad that this show got past the secret identity thing so soon. Clark and Lois are a lot more interesting and engaging to me when they're both on the same level about Clark's being Superman, and _still_ able to a happy, healthy, and supportive couple no matter what comes up. They've been married for almost 30 years of real-world time in the comics, and not even the New 52 alterations and the SuperWonder ship could erase it forever. The getting there in the show was rocky and they're both still young and figuring themselves out here, but lo and behold they were able to get things worked out and patched up, and I'm glad that we're past that point.
Personally, I think the reason this comparison is even happening to begin with is because not only did Invincible handle it badly, it did it really badly, bad enough it basically soured anything similar to it. It basically handled the situation so badly that when the next superhero cartoon decides to do something similar our first thought was the Amber situation and how bad it was/we couldn’t view the Superman one in a vacuum. It’s sorta like what happened with Sam raimi’s Mary Jane , I love those Spider-Man films but MJ was done really bad in those and basically every MJ afterwards had to sorta over correct and go “I’m not like OTHER MJs” because it sorta soured how people view her
Lois had a moment of irrational, emotional, human impulse, as we all do; and that's how the show treats it. That is the biggest difference between this and the Invincible situation. Invincible's writing in itself was on Amber's side, leading to really audaciously written moments like where both Eve and Will, against all logic and reason, reprimand Mark for what happened with Amber despite the fact that any member of the audience *with common sense* knows that he didn't do a damn thing he shouldn't have. In MAWSM, when Lois makes a mistake, it is *treated like a mistake* by the writers; because unlike Amber, Lois is not written as a pretentious, noxiously holier-than-thou Mary Sue. She is *meant* to be a flawed, layered human being. One who, also unlike Amber, is sincerely apologetic toward Clark after making dumb decisions.
@@jettsett9354 Besides the point, my guy; which is that it's okay for a character to be dumb and make mistakes, so long as the writing treats it as such, they own up to it, and learn from it. Which we got none of from Amber in Invincible. As far as the writing staff was concerned, she's just a flawless little saint of a flower who all of Mark's time and investment should apparently be spent on instead of, you know, saving people.
Look, I'm not saying "Media literacy is dead! Things were better back in my day" but I do think streaming services and the binge routine of watching tv shows has kind of messed up people's ability to fully digest episodes and plot points, like just f*cking wait a minute. "WHAT LOIS LANE JUMPED OFF THE BUILDING TO GET CLARK TO REVEAL HIS SECRET AND DIDN'T APOLOGISE!? I CAN'T BELIEVE THE WRITERS THINK WHAT SHE DID WAS OK!" Like we're five episodes it, just give it a minute, it's okay to have a conflict and build tensions that aren't immediately resolved. "WHY DID SHE DO THAT?!" "Just wait till the next episode." "I WANT TO KNOW NOW!" "Just give it a second!" "I WANT TO KNOW NOW! I WANT TO KNOW RIGHT NOW!" "THEY'RE F*CKING SETTING THEM UP AS A COUPLE YOU F*CKING SCUMBAGS!"
Nah, fuck that melodrama shit, the whole reason she jumped was because Clark literally denied it when she just wanted to understand why he is hurt, which stinks. Besides, the best thing about Invincible comic was the ability to avoid bs melodrama tropes while building characters in organic way.
I think they could've fixed the Amber and Mark/Invincible thing if they had added in a line where it basically says she found out recently, like in a "I put it together on the car ride home after news reports of a beat up Invincible came on and I saw how badly you were hurt. I looked further into it while you slept, and past events where you were gone lined up when Invincible wasn't." Kind of thing to (possibly) not have the actual revel go down as badly as it did
Lois Lane has always been wreckless, there is literally nothing she won't do to get a story. And this isn't even the first version of the character to put herself in danger to expose Clark.
As you said, the writers really botched it with the reveal that she knew. Up to that point her actions are extremely reasonable, and she is even very forgiving. The overwhelming hate for her has kind of scared me. I don’t like seeing a woman character getting bashed this hard for a failure on the writers part. It just… it makes me wonder if the hate is coming from somewhere else.
cough cough unexamined racism cough cough okay but fr what is up with the people forgetting that fictional characters are not real people and are WRITTEN characters whenever a female character is written poorly? Amber is not toxic character she was inconsistently written character
So true about the unbelievable and over the top hatred people have for Amber. It's no secret that female characters, especially Black female characters, receive a great amount of vitriol whenever they don't act the way (sexist and racist) fans want them to. People literally have said she's worse than f*cking Omni Man, lmfao! God, that kind of sh*t tells me everything that I need to know. We Black fangirls have been calling out fandom misogynoir for a long while now and it's great that even Sarcastic brought up the "Disposable Black Girlfriend" trope. The writers are at fault for the inconsistency, not the character of Amber.
Throwing yourself off a building and threatening to kill yourself just so someone will out their secret to you is still a bit extreme even if its something Lois tends to always do.
I love how the use of a secret identity is being changed and how My Adventure with Superman does a good job with how competent with Jimmy and Lois in the show. Invincible tried to do something different but it failed due to how it didn't execute it well enough when Amber reaction didn't give enough to when Mark revealed himself.
Lois and competent is a hard thing to put together, Jimmy though yeah. For Lois there is the critical issue of her actions being driven by a "Betrayal" fueled sense of entitlement. She didn't ever think about whether Clark had the right to his privacy, ONLYE thought about herself NOT being told. Its a realistic issue with people, but the realism isn't the issue people are simply having a natural response of distaste to Lois' behavior.
Gee I wonder why the girl whose father kept important stuff away from her (including how severe her mothers illness was mind you) would act out after important stuff was once again being kept away from her by her own best friend/partner
The worst thing about Amber, even if Amber was justified in everything else she does, is that she decides to give Mark more time to tell her he’s a hero, but then gets mad at him immediately after he shows back up from the attack, despite giving him literally zero chances to tell her he was Invincible, since they were either in public, or she was avoiding him. He even tells her the first chance he gets, and she slams the door in his face, then tells him to ‘fly away, flyboy.’
Any normal person should just break up with someone who mysteriously has to always disappear. That being said, if ya can’t trust your partner to keep a secret, are they really worth it?
@@Scalesthelizardwizard Yeah, that’s fair in my opinion. Crazy how Sarcastic Chorus doesn’t think she’s at least a bit more toxic, considering she even puts her life on the line for what, a measly truth that provides nothing but knowledge who Superman really is? It’s not like she’ll rat him out to the public, so her sacrificing herself is ultimately meaningless. At least if she was the average selfish reporter, her extreme drive for wanting to 100% confirm his identity for clout would make more logical sense. The story wants to portray her as a character we should root for, meanwhile her actions resemble more of a character we would otherwise dislike, not because they’re badly written, but because the plot demands it.
@@Scalesthelizardwizardeven tho episodes after this he admits he wasn't of that bc he knows Lois wouldn't he was scared of being rejected, not accepted for being an alien & how he really doesn't really care about the secret identity thing
I think the main difference between Amber and Louis is that for Amber, she was in the right and Mark was in the wrong, but for Clark and Louis both of them were in the wrong.
@@thecluckster3908 Nope. Amber was a misfire, the writers learned their lesson on "delivery". But Lois is an improvement on the Amber reveal. It's like writing fanfiction, getting feedback and then writing the preferred finished script before publishing it. E.L. James and Cassanadra Clare did it
I remember in Invincible Amber said something Eve like "Saving the world as usual?" I thought that was a subtle hint that Amber knew Eve was a superhero too, but it was revealed in the last episode Amber didn't know.
Don't forget that Lois has Dad issues, on top of that. Dad issues I would have liked to see, but for some reason, they took a "tell, don't show" approach to it.
I feel like her dad will show up. But he will probably be too busy leading a team of criminals, monsters, and references to kill his daughter's boyfriend.
As someone that's read the comic the reason the Amber reveal feels inconsistent is because despite changing her character and having her figure out Mark's identity on her own they didn't change any story beats leading up to that. The freakout at the college is straight from the comics written for a version of Amber that doesn't know Mark is Invincible
You are a brave person, bringing Amber back into the mix and not crucifying her. Now your comment section is going to be on fire with people ignoring everything you said, just to talk about "how awful" Amber is. Great vid BTW.
Lol, you hit the nail right on the head! Sarcastic literally gives Amber grace and the nuance that she deserves and people in the comment section are still bringing up how much they HATEEEE her, lol. God, this fandom blows and that's why I've only stuck with watching the show and not engaging with this fandom unless it's with a few trusted friends. The fandom misogynoir is just too much. 😑
@@sadtitties222While maybe a few complainers are mysogonistic, most rightfully hate this character. She’s simply written poorly and has very few qualities to actually make you like her.
@@OriginalJohnnyCage Invincible show fans are sure are dense and repeat same lines when I critique the show "Kirkman is old so he improved as writer." My dude, can you counter my issue with adaptation and not repeat that line? Also, "Omni man let himself being bruised by GG" is fanbase after Sherlock season four level of coping.
The issue with Amber was less her getting mad at Mark and more the weird “I knew you were a superhero already” twist they clearly didn’t have planned out If they had just stuck to her not knowing, then it would’ve been pretty justified to be upset at Mark for constantly running off on her out of nowhere and leading her on With Lois, her figuring out Clark’s identity was clearly planned out, so the writers could write around her being upset Clark would lie to her over the course of the show. That’s really different from Amber cause they basically changed the reason she was upset last minute for the sake of the twist. And in retrospect, her having the full context of Mark’s situation made her being upset worse
I adore this show and I keep getting so nervous when everyone is criticizing and comparing it to every other animated property in existence. People aren’t realizing how rare a show like this is. DC IS ANIMATING EXPRESSIONS IT’S AMAZING PLEASE STOP TAKING IT FOR GRANTED
Also lois puts her life on the line multiple times for the truth whether that's against the alien weapons or a psycho with bombs, I see her as a messy chatacter with no regard for her safety and just looking for the truth. She's the definition of curiosity killed the cat
Forcing Clark to have a panic attack watching the person he loves possibly about to die? Gee, wonder where Lois got that idea? Maybe like, 10 minutes ago when Clark did the same shit to her? Lois' action was completely valid in this mess. She clearly was more upset about Clark brushing of her literally fearing for his life and being so upset at being unable to help him, so she gave him a moment to be in her position and understand he can't handle it.
How i view it, she knew he was a superhero, but not invincible. The series established while people can discover a secret of someone being a hero… that they are literally blind to to until specifically revealed to them. Even Eve and Mark who are either superheroes or have superheroes as a parent can’t realize other people’s identities even if the face is fully exposed. Also, know the secret identity does not excuse Mark being a Bad BF or the constant lying.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 No one sees them so what’s the point. From what I see, no one has disliked me yet. Also, getting ratios has never been about disliking nor has it ever been used to describe a RU-vid comment.
On one hand, a Spider-Man vid made an important point that you should let your loved ones know about the secret identity for their safety. God forbid a villain figures it out and decides to go after a significant other, kid(s) etc., they can at least have some kind of game plan/strategy to escape and get help or just not freak out to the point of having a heart attack. On the other hand, despite relationships requiring honest and clear communication, I don’t think that it necessarily means anyone’s entitled to everything about someone. I also keep in mind that despite what the show is trying to depict, these couples have only known each other for a relatively short time (anywhere from say a few weeks to a couple months) at least in my eyes. The time obviously varies from person to person, I’d wait longer to reveal something of this magnitude to anyone. Thanks for awesome vid SC!❤
Lois got mad because Clark tried to hide the fact he's Superman from her Amber got mad because Mark tried to protect the people, including her, knowing damn well he couldn't risk his identity totally the same situation according to twatter
1. Lois in this show was alrey setup to have massive trust issues because of her father 2. She gets over it pretty quickly and is understanding that, at the end of the day, Clark is genuine about wanting to help people and that he didn't want his friends to treat him differently cause of him being a literal alien Unlike Amber who KNEW about Mark being Invincible and still called him a coward in front of everyone, probably hoping to goad him into telling the truth and then acts like *he's in the wrong*
Pretty much nailed all the counterpoints to this claim I have, though there's also the major detail that Lois the episode prior to this scene told Clark she's alredy gone through a rough time where her father's secrecy and unwillingness to let Lois in on what he's hiding has caused her years of grief and a divide from her father. The fact she told Clark that clearly shows how much she trusts him with such personal details & how much she values him in her life, cut to later on and now she learns Clark has his own big secret he's hiding from her so now it's become not so much Lois wants to know who Superman is for personal gain, it's wanting Clark to show the same trust she just put into him back to her, making it sting all the more he keeps dipping the chance, making her feel like Clark isn't as genuine with his clear feelings for her as she thought. You can trade the secret being about a superhero identity out with any other major secret, it's still an issue of trust & how well-meaning yet flawed actions can cause even the most good natured & positive relationships to create cracks of their own making.
You were smart to wait a bit before finally posting this. Meanwhile, other people are just jumping on the "Lois is toxic" train so quickly that it's beyond dumb.
Lois doing something like that is perfectly in character with many versions of the character. The biggest difference between Lois and Amber is that Lois is endgame for Clark while Amber is just Mark's first love. So making her look bad to push Mark away from her and towards Eve is kind of the point. Especially since the show removed another road block toward Mark and Eve ending up together that exists in the comics. William being openly gay instead of a closet case like in the comics means they will skip him and Eve dating.
Thea Queen had the most realistic reaction to the identity drop in Arrow. "Oh my god. This whole time, I thought you were a flake, but this whole time... You were out there, saving people."
This video actually covered every point I wanted to see in a video involving the Amber Situation and then some. it covers Amber's perspective before the twist, Mark's Superhero dilemma, the general tropes involved in Superhero dating involving the Secret Identity. I especially like the covering of how this twist conflicts with previous events and makes Amber look worse than the writers intended. Like this twist was probably decided on after the cyborg human attack scene at the university and the writers either didn't realize the subversion was impossible to do without making Amber look bad or they realized it but really wanted to make it work. The second option would explain why Mark's friends' immediate side with Amber after the situation. They needed for it to be Marks fault so they double down by having his two closest friends tell him he's the one at fault.
Yes!! Like, sure, you can criticize some of the dialogue, you can criticize the rushed pace, you can criticize some narrative inconsistencies, but criticizing the characterizations is just reaching.
The reason people didn’t like Lois, is because, she is more human. Superman and Lois being the dysfunctional couple is the best thing to happen in any superman related stuff. But unlike Amber, Lois has a lot of likeable traits. And the picture I seen of her, is her smiling.
I always dislike when the show wants me to believe that the hero is doing something bad by not revealing their most important secret to a person they've barely met. Like, trying to show that the love interest is entitled to this secret. Clark has been hiding his secret his entire life, and he would literally loose his personal Clark Kent life if it was discovered. So yeah, i am usually by the heroe's side on this, it's too important to just go around telling any new girlfriend he has know for 3 weeks.
I said I will be pissed IF they turn Lois into an Amber. They did not, and in the next episode when you find out she was more worried about all of Clarks affections being lies (to cover for Superman) I was ok with that reasoning... enough. Just thank Mxyzptlk they get over it in one episode!
When I started this show I was like "ok If Lois doesn't figure out that Clark is Supes by like episode 5 than this is gonna be exhausting". So I'm glad they got that done fast.
All I’m gonna say, an aroace superhero would have an easier time, none of this romantic drama bs. Still the consequences of not giving people time but not the tired trope of being a bad partner. Also would be some cool representation
My issue was never with Lois because I grew up with her jumping out of windows. My issue was with the trope used that has been on the rise and used more often. It’s lazy writing for me because the writers haven’t executed it well for a while. Amber is poorly written and Lois is, well, Lois.
