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Drinker, I just wanna say, you always agree with everything I believe about something and you are the one to get it out there. With every video, you become more and more of my favorite RU-vidr.
Look, tom is ham, i know. And normally id agree with you very realistically cynical rundowns. But this is literally the best thing marvel has done since iron man 1, be realistic.
TVA is just a bunch of incompetent workers. I hardly believe they can prune any stronger being if they can easily cucked by weakest god in Norse mythology
@@explunky if this comment is a joke then I analogise for my obtuseness, however the tva has apparently been a thing for god knows how long and has dealt with (though this may be giving marvel too much credit) infinite possibilities. There’s no way they couldn’t deal with a child. Also, what with the amount of Lokis you’d think they’d learn how to counter them
I love how multiverse of madness decided to play a moral high ground on doctor strange made a horrifically difficult decision to save half the universe, while Wanda got little to no pushback on the fact she selfishly manipulated a town of people and scarred them all for life just because she couldn't handle reality
@@jeffmccool5690 except she does when she steps out of the hex and tells the soldiers or government whoever that she wants them to stay away, so she was definitely conscious
Well it's a response to extreme grief. It's not right in any way, but it has a reason. She couldn't handle reality, no, but she was in extreme pain after having to kill Vision and then watching him die. And not even having a body to bury afterwards. I'd be pretty sad and not wanting to accept reality after that either to be honest.
@@cyanide167 She didn't know that she was holding them hostage. When she first arrived, the town was very depressed. She thought she made everything better.
@@daniellim4649 She did know. “You’ve taken an entire town hostage!” “I’m not the one with the guns, Drechter.” Also, taking away someone’s free will = making them happier. lol what?
thing i hate the most about the marvel films with loki and thor is that their asgaudian ability such as super strength and endurance seem to come and go depending on the plot
Imagine a sci-fi show in which Loki is a Spike from Buffy kind of character - which lets face it - thats what he always was until now - forced to team up on at least one story arc along side Lady Sif from Thor and Agents of Shield Two clashing personality types Two characters with room to grow Greyness of a villain redemption or even just being evil as well and Sif So much potential for Sif - she should have had a bigger role
My two problems with the show: 1) they removed all of Loki's agency, and 2) most of the time it looked like a video game level that had been scripted on rails.
You ain’t wrong about the scripted on rails thing, apparently Sylvie’s entire character was just made up as they wrote the episodes. I can not make this up even if I wanted to.
Loki in the Avengers held his own in a fight with Steve Rogers, Iron Man, and got slammed by the Hulk and lived. Loki in his own TV show got his ass kicked by literally everyone.
That’s mostly because of the fight choreography. The story is written in a way that Loki is supposed to be outmatched. That he’s in an unfamiliar environment that’s beyond his understanding. So, he’s awkwardly trying to figure everything out like a toddler starting his first day of school. Which is okay, but the fight choreographer and director (s) just don’t understand his powers. The abilities and strengths of each character are not fleshed out. So, there isn’t any tension or conflict within the fight sequences. For instance, how does the head of the TVA, who use to just be a high school principal, able to fight and take down a half Asgardian Frost Giant? 🤷 It’s a cool idea on paper. Unfortunately, it’s awkwardly executed on screen.
@@BDLabs2 I'm going to have to disagree with you on the premise that it's ok to take a famous and loved Villain, hype up his own TV show, and then reduce him to the state of a toddler. No one puts up with that in anything else look at say DBGT that went so poorly they retconed the entire universe and made the character a God instead of a child, here they took a God and made him a kid....
This. He is like a few hundreds years old, but still acts like a generic 20 years old clown. Not to menshion he is a trickster god and should be smart and cold AF. But this is more like stupid emo-boy.
I noticed that to, but it only served to establish that the TVA (and the situation) is waaay out of Loki's league... I bought it. It created stakes, and tension. I'm good with it.
This could have been really good, like a marvel version of doctor who with an anti hero. Imagine this for a moment, Loki finds the other Loki in the mega store, but when the hood goes down it's Chris Hemsworth's Thor "It's not about you...brother". He's from an alternate time line where Thor is the bad adopted son and Loki is the good son. That would have been jaw dropping and open the door to great dialog and possibilities.
Sylvie says "he (mobius) cares about you". here, she actually conveyed that she cares about loki, but doesnt doesnt doesnt reveal it to him.. but loki understands this, and conjures a blanket for both in a romantic way with the excuse that its cold
I actually enjoyed the show. However I found it odd that the bad guy in the citadel was a scientist who discovered the multiverse and this somehow meant he was also immortal, could control time and control the beast which could consume all matter, he kind of breezed over how this power was all possible simply because he discovered other universes
I mean he literally was experimenting with time and he was kinda immortal because he found his place right in the end of time which is basically a place where time works very differently and he even said that he is older than he looks so yeah and his evil versions are coming so Im looking forward to it
Well i just took it that this citadel time moves just like the tva. Plus he’s supposed to be Kang and I enjoyed this variant rather than some old man to bore me to death
Isn’t Loki, first and foremost, a Trickster god? That should automatically mean he’s clever, not confused and fumbling-unless it’s an act that’s part of a confidence trick.
Nope. Not even a trick. A lot of people thought Loki faked breaking the time device just to get to know more about Sylvie, but in fact he did actually break it. Loki is a sidekick in his own show.
The bit that bothered me the most was the inconsistency in Loki's strengths and feats. The way he levitated that falling building and struggles against randos after being too much for Cap to handle in 2012.
Following that train of thought how tf does the TVA handle a varient Thanos, Ronan, Hella or Hulk? Hell even Tony Stark without armor seems like he could outsmart them. They needed to have reprogrammed heros and villain varients so the villains actually seem capable. Also Lokis magic and infinity stones don't work but Odins magic saving the makeup department having to make him blue every time he's in no magic zone still functions.
Dr. Strange: I saw over 14 million realities of the coming fight against Thanos Tony Stark: How many do we win? Dr. Strange: All of them. We win 1 naturally and the other 14 million some TVA people come in and erase Thanos and reset the timeline until we win.
The MCU is a sloppy, sloppy, sloppy mess. It's hard enough to maintain a consistent universe & story when it's just one writer in charge of everything. Imagine how chaotic the MCU has to be behind the scenes with dozens of different directors, writers and mandates from the higher-ups.
@@Nothingness4907 Well, they're supposed to be. But thanks to Loki, they are now all actualized. But then again, Endgame set up multiple universes, so maybe it screwed itself.
Answer this, did you occur to watch the show?or a you pulling stuff out of that small peanut sized thing in your head you call a brain. Loki was the central character of the show from top to bottom; his character was indeed the main focus and 99.999 percent of the time the camera was positioned to the character, Loki is actually one of the only marvel series I've watched that doesn't take that much camera time of that main character, and the whole plot centers around the main character in a beautiful and marvelous storytelling. So this it is not not WTF! Marvel is misusing Loki, it's instead WTF! Marvel execuianted the character of Loki So maybe your peanut sized brain can comprehend this, Marvel used Loki beautiful and in no way shape or form reduced his character but elevated him from a Villain to a Hero that as saved the universe and multiverse spacetime continuum 🎤🎤🎤
I hated Sylvie the moment I saw that she was the " female Loki". Because first, I've seen female Loki cosplay by fans that were ten thousands times better. And two, I've felt since then ( and the show haven't even aired yet) that she was going to be a recurring character while I was watching only to see Loki. OUR LOKI
essientaly now she's going to be the replacement for Loki in the main timeline, so get ready for another Captain Marvel. Also we are supposed to get a female Thor, female Iron Man, female Hawkeye, extra-female Black Widow, and a female hulk that supposed be some fat black lesbian chick.
Sylvie could've worked if they respected her, Loki and the audience and made her Enchantress, instead of "Female Loki" which if you think about it is really sexist of the writers. She's a character that already exists and from what I rember basically she has the same powers Loki has, she just has different goals, my point being she isn't Loki, but this show doesn't respect her enough to do that. Same goes for She-Hulk, if that's who she's suppose to be. I remember her from the "Hulk" 90s cartoon. She was Bruce's cousin and feminine, so why ruin literally a strong female character to make a token minority, it's just more nonsense.
Exactly how I felt. Loki was my favorite character with unique character traits, and by far the most entertaining with his tricks. Now he's a nobody with no unique traits, and the most boring.
Well since there are different loki variants, the show is about them and doesn't have to focus on the loki we know and love. Not my thinking or opinion. But this is basically what i was being told when i expressed how sorry and sad Loki is.
That because they’re brothers, it’s pretty much a guarantee that their fights would go down like a choreographed dance Loki was never much of a physical fighter, it makes sense that he gets his ass handed to him by trained soldiers
@@Goblinhandler Loki is a literal god who's been raised in a warrior culture on steroids. "Never much of a physical fighter" are you kidding me? Go watch Thor TDW again, look how many dark elves he took down at once. Go watch Thor 1- Thor wouldn't have been able to overpower Loki if he hadn't pinned him down with his hammer. Go watch Avengers 1- Loki beat ALL the Avengers' asses even after being tortured by Thanos for a year and clearly not being at 100% energy or strength. The writers of the show are incompetent and ignorant.
I had to quit watching Loki halfway through because my uncontrollable desire to punch Sylvia in the head was way too distracting. Plus, the disappointment I would feel every time I realized that I would never fulfill that desire just bummed me the hell out.
But he tries. The trick is he's dealing with people that know his entire timeline. It's hard to trick people who know what you are going to do and how you are going to do it because they have access to your entire evolution across time and who can nullify certain aspects of your powers. Other context is that while he tries to trick, he's very much without his normal swagger because he's in a situation he really has never been in. So to me this came off well: someone who tries to revert to character but constantly gets stymied because he can't rely on his usual tricks.
@@ammo7204 Well, rather than resort to childish statements, what we can do is put on our mature hats and act like art can have differing interpretations by people. This way people can disagree but still actually discuss things. I can entirely see some of the flaws that people mention about Loki as the series developed; but I can also see ways to frame those flaws as at least narrative elements that can make sense given the context. It's up to each person if that makes sense to them or not.
@@JeffNyman Incels- We don't do that here (Crying Child Voice) Everything is woke aahh there putting a women in there aaa what loki is bisexual(which he was in comics too)ahh black guy becomes the Captain America(which he did in the comics too) Female Thor ahh (Which is in the comics too). I mean nobody really gives a shit about these small percentage of crybabies look at the fandom and trailers majority of the people are liking it and discussing the possibilities.
@@Akshaytyagixin Loki was a Frost Giant who was abandoned by his father, when Odin found him he used his powers to change his appearance and raised him alongside Thor as his son.
Here's what I expected from the show. The TVA keeps the various timelines from descending into chaos. Loki gets the time stone and irresponsibly goes back to various points in history - dodging the TVA with clever tricks and manipulations (because they can't act too openly). Ancient Greece, China, Egypt, Europe etc. His meddling muddles the timelines, creating new branches. Owen Wilson is the TVA's best agent and comes close to stopping him many times. As the show progresses, Loki is gradually touched by the events he witnesses in the places he goes and finally comes to terms with the consequences of his actions when Wilson finally traps him. He then sets out to make amends but things have spiralled out of control and he needs to convince the other variants of himself to join in and help unravel his own mischief. (segue into season 2)
@@thanosnoctem4473 I'm no director - that takes a supreme amount of skill. But a good director/showrunner gets ideas from wherever they can and make the best of it. Sadly, those in charge of Loki didn't.
As both an MCU and comics Loki fan with enormous appreciation for Tom Hiddleston’s portrayal of Loki throughout the years… thank you. THANK YOU. This show may have driven the plot of the MCU forward, but it made a mockery of Loki (and Hiddleston) in the process
I remember while watching the films I'd never know what Loki had in mind, I always wondered "is he really helping them or is he playing a part?" and it was exciting in some matter. Not once during the series I ever thought of him playing a double's game.
I think the point of the series is that, the TBA shows him how he ultimately fails in life, which creates a catalyst for his change, but he ends up pairing up with his female counter part, who IS in fact playing the double's game. You have to remember, this version of Loki isn't our original Loki to begin with. But I do agree, some of his temperament is inconsistent because someone above mentioned that -this- version of Loki, is the one that escaped during their trip to the past to the first avengers, so he should have been much more blood thirsty and cunning.
@@thanosnoctem4473 Because if you stay in line with how your character is supposed to act, then it becomes boring...? Kind of like how Luke Skywalker or Obi-Wan Kenobi got completely butchered by new writers.
@@Count_Virgil What do you mean this version of Loki isn't our original Loki?? You do realise that Thor 1 and Avengers still took place right? So he is infact our original Loki from Thor 1 and Avengers. They just used that shitty PowerPoint presentation to downgrade his character so that Sylvie takes the lead in the show.
To be fair Loki in the title could mean any of the variants in the show not just Tom Hiddleston Loki. Hell Tom played more than one version of the character in the show alone
@@rhetiq9989 Then that is deceptive as they obviously know that Marvel and Loki fans were looking for Avengers 1 Loki, not variants that were never hinted at before the show in the MCU.
It seems that Disney and Netflix are currently locked in an arms race, where they are fighting to see which one can churn out the most diverse/pro-feminism/pro-lgbt shows, but the only thing they are really accomplishing, is getting in a tie for the worst quality content being released. In Loki, for example, it’s disheartening to see the wasted potential of two massively good actors - Hiddleton and Owen Wilson - being bogged down by such a horribly written story. It’s like seeing two sports cars aching to throttle up and zoom away, but they can’t, because the road is made of wet manure.
Look, the problem is not the feminism or the lgbtq, it’s bad writing…all of this is like a competition of which can attract more viewers, and they use all of the above not in a natural and organic way, but in a forced one, trying to attract more viewers by how “woke” they are… and this is even annoying for the minorities and target audience they want to please. The quantity over quality mentality combined with this makes what could have been a great show kind of a disappointment
@Kryptoskillet so even though he basically smiled at people dying and because he saw his mother being killed by thanos it makes him good...? he saw his mother die in the second thor movie which didn't make him good dying doesn't make him good either it just means he would want to alter the timeline to change that.
@@thephoenix4093 1. The mind stone was affecting him throughout Avengers. 2. He recognized that he was dealing with a much bigger power that knew him from the inside out, his history, and his future. Not hard to think about why he would concede so easily
@@tatremy6936 not the avengers the Thor movie Loki literally smiled at Jane foster almost dying and sent the armor to kill innocent people and his own brother when he had no powers he is EVIL that's the point of the redemption arc that he had he became good he wasn't good all along.
@@thephoenix4093 doesnt really negate my point. When you’re dealing with a much bigger, more powerful source after spending your entire life thinking you’re better than everyone else, of course you’re going to concede and change. Mans had his whole reality flipped upside down and found out how nearly everyone he loved and cared about would eventually die including himself. No one in his position would stay the same after finding that out. Plus, Im pretty sure that thor says somewhere along the line that there was always good in loki. His redemption arc wasnt his character completely changing IMO. It was him coming to terms with his true self.
This could have been so much more interesting if the lokis' roles were reversed. Have the original Loki be on the run, and include a few conflicts with the other Loki before her big reveal. Have a scene where Loki is thinking about how he is being tracked down so fast and realising the only person who could do this is himself.
Yeah, that would've been more in line with the post-Avengers 1 Loki and I could even see the female Loki working for the TVA and not even realize she's a variant, just like all the other variants working there. *That* is a Sylvie I could really see wanting to kill the person on top after she finds out the truth.
Loki is NOT “half Asgardian” though . . . He’s born completely of the Ice Giants . . . Odin adopted him., He can still fight THOR though so it’s much MUCH stronger than they allowed here.
Drinker is a bit off the rails on this one, a lot of his complaints seem either straight up misinformed or completely uninformed at all. I didn't get the feeling that the writers dislike the property at all, and seem to have lovingly crafted this, yet he seems to think they hate Loki altogether. Very strange considering most of Drinker's shit is relatively rational. Also there is a lot of forced diversity shit nowadays, but at no point did it seem that way with Renslayer, at all. The whole "loki is really strong how did he get his ass kicked at the beginning part is really stupid too because they caught him off guard and used basically time magic to slow him and get the collar on so his powers and shit didn't work anymore. I really do respect Drinker's opinions on a lot of stuff, but he is so far off base here and I cannot fathom why beyond he just doesn't like MCU stuff and he doesn't diversity in any form. Both of which do not seem accurate but what other conclusion can be drawn from this take?
Worst thing Marvel did from the beginning was bastardize Norse mythology in order to pander to a simple minded audience. Then Disney turned up the dial to make it worse.
@@CridgetMan1234 only point of watching the critical drinker is for the laughs. I don't know how you can take his critiquing seriously. If the plot involves women or people of color it fucking sucks, really that simple lol.
Everyone was shocked when I decided I hated the Loki show. I everyone knows I’m a die hard Loki *simp* and they destroyed everything about him I loved! His strong personality his sense of self worth, ability to fight, his powers, his strange dichotomy of unbelievably smart and unbearably naïveté and even his character development where he’s no longer selfish and the good his mother planted in him as a traumatized child had an opportunity to flourish.
The beginning to Loki was just terrible character development. It was almost like they wrote him as the Loki from Thor: Ragnarok, but this was supposed to be 2012. He was supposed to be the exact same Loki from the first Avengers movie - you know, the one who was willing to kill a random old man who stood up to him and the one who was able to catch Hawkeye's arrow while speeding through the air and not even looking in its direction. The first scene with Loki and Sylvie would've been so much better if Loki was wicked and violent like he used to be. With all three shows, I liked the idea of them, but the execution was not good at all.
I haven't watched this show yet, but I was thinking along the same lines. Loki really developed and grew as a character throughout the Thor movies. I thought the tv Loki was going to be just as clever and charismatic, but also cunning and somewhat ruthless like the 2012 Loki. I thought the plots and events of the tv show, whatever they might be, would help him to go through similar changes - developing his character to become more compassionate, but still keeping his charisma and cunning. However, there seems to be a complete lack of consistency in the character. Kinda makes me not want to watch the tv show. Too bad! :(
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697 Yeah, the show became a chore for me, but it had some really good moments too. If you want to watch any of the future Marvel movies, you'll have to watch Loki because there are things that happen that are really important to know. You can watch it just for Owen Wilson cause he's great.
@@klc7275 - Thanks! I didn't realize that aspects of the show would be incorporated into the movies, but I guess that makes sense from a financial point of view! I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and subscribe to Disney+ for a month or two. Also want to watch Hamilton, so I don't really mind! :)
It would've been interesting if he betrayed Sylvie in the very end, revealing that it was all an act and that she effectively did his dirty work for him. Then everything would work in context - he's manipulating her way more than she's controlling and overshadowing him.
@@mrgreenboy644 Yes! The show would've been amazing and Loki would still be Loki. But of course, we all know the producers and writers will never let that happen. Its The Sylvie Show after all
The TVA and their tech was something that i just couldn't buy, throughout the whole season. Like, the ONLY weapons they ever seem to possess were those shock batons, and i always wondered: If theyre already having such a hard time restraining two average people and a CHILD, now how the hell would they be able to capture, say, a Thanos? A Captain America Variant? Yes, apparently all magic or supernatural / superhuman powers don't work in TVA realm, but even then, how would they handle a 8ft tall giant in combat, or a regular human in peak physical condition with expert training in Martial Arts? How would they handle , say, a Winter Soldier Variant? Or , as it was once shown very briefly, a Hulk(-ish) Variant of Loki?
Loki was literally a reason I got into MCU. I found his character really interesting and with a lot of potential for further development. Thor 1-2 and Avengers with him were great. YET, then came the Ragnarok which completely changed how characters were before, and past things were basically forgotten. Characters and story just became a joke after a joke. Then Infinity War decided to kill Loki off as quick as possible. And now this bullshit did its absolute best to destroy his character into nothingness. The moment I heard there would be Loki series and saw the trailer, I just wanted to forget I even heard about it. I didn´t even need to try it to know it's a disaster. The best I can do is just forget everything related to Loki after Thor 2 exists. RIP to his character development and story.
Thor 2 and Ragnarok had Loki experiencing some character growth as a result of the events involved, which culminated in Loki using his trickery to try and save the day against Thanos in Infinity War. Giving him his own show was an opportunity to contrast his character growth with what he had been before, but rather than play to the character's strengths of deviousness, trickery, illusions, and charisma, we got a Loki that didn't really have any agency of his own.
Anyone remember the movie Loki that had the frigging Hulk smash him around and into a floor and survived, compared to this Loki that gets knocked out from body positive fisticuffs?
He grabbed a dude and removed his eyeball in Avengers, he stabbed Phil Coulson dead, but he screams in the Time court when some random tool gets disintegrated.
Something about the trauma of getting smashed that put two of the most awesome characters (Loki and Hulk) on the shelf. Really, really bad idea. The fact that Hulk never got a rematch with Thanos and this castrated Loki means Marvel doesn't understand their audience anymore.
@@yankee1376 maybe because those were basic ass humans and he was above them compared to a whole a organization that can disintegrate you in a matter of seconds🗿
Loki is supposed to weigh like 900 pounds , I hate how easily people and things knock him around it kills me because he shook off a spinning kick to the face from freaking captain America. Cap even says this guy can take a hit
Actually, in the comics, Loki weighs just under 500 lbs. Still, your conclusion is correct. Cap's exact quote: "This guy packs a wallop." In this series, he comes off as just a decently trained regular guy. Lazy writing. Just lazy. Too lazy to come up with a valid explanation for the ease of his capture by the TVA goons.
I think the real problem with Loki is that he's always been a side character repeating the same story lesson from the very beginning, any growth given to him was wiped away the next movie. Instead of a truly terrifyingly powerful character who you can't predict what they'll do next, we have a B grade magician playing whatever role the plot needs him to. The MCU has always written Loki like this, he's always been a character that has great potential but has been relegated to being a poorly written bad guy. I'm not surprised the show isn't really about the Loki we want to see and I highly doubt marvel/Disney cares enough to listen to their fans.
In the first Avengers movie, Captain America had his hands full with fighting Loki until reinforcements came. And now he can' t fight three normal humans with shock batons?
Yeah, pretty disappointed with that one. It felt so forced and unorganic, like they were explaining it solely because they had to explain it, not because it made sense in universe. Really annoyed by the Miss Minutes part, felt a bit unnecessary considering what we got next was another helping of exposition, so they should have just removed the talking clock.
@@cyberleaderandy1 i think it's more because the series is just setting up some MCU shit later on which i really don't like. can't they just make the series stand on its own instead of explaining the next MCU bad guy in it with a PowerPoint
Honestly, I watched the show, but it felt kind of soulless. Everyone even möbius (who I heard was a very human like character that someone could identify with) felt rather soulless. The show had an alright premise, but the execution was terrible. There was some good moments, but Loki is a shadow of his former self, and his shows reflects that.
I’m sad cuz when I first watched the show, I LOVED it. And the reason why I loved it is because Loki was my favorite character and I was desperate for new Loki content. I was in denial for a long time. But then… I rethought everything. How sidelined, weakened, and humiliated Loki was. We watched the show for him, not to be told he’s the inferior version of a female counterpart. Not to see him be so out of character he’d be unidentifiable if it wasn’t for the name and appearance of Tom Hiddleston. Not to see him be more nerfed than ever. It’s just so disappointing. I wish they stuck with the initial pitch idea of Loki traveling across time and causing mischief. So much better.
@@fuckknowledge even without powers he can fight thor survive against the hulk bitch slap Tony gold Steve Roger's react to arrows that are far away survive bombs but yet he isnt able to take one hit from a baton?
@@TSH425 You know, thinking about it after seeing black widow fall from bridges and get blown up without damage, maybe in the mcu everyone is just basically indestructible by default.
The thing that annoys me is that those time cops are just humans, they had a life on Earth before the TVA. Explain to me how Loki was captured by them when he was overpowering Captain America, and man handling Thor by his own. What if there’s a variant of Thanos or Dr Strange or some other powerful being? How would they capture those?
Fem loki appearing and saying “this isn’t about you.” Is emblematic of the show as a whole. It isn’t about loki in his own show. He’s just the hook to drag in his fans so the writers can make the entire thing about fem loki. They did the same thing with Fin in the Star Wars.
Sylvie existing is the second worst thing to happen this year, only behind “TASKMASTER” (if you even call her that). Sylvie is just PERFECTION and, some-fucking-how, replaces Loki in protagonism just to make her better. It and she infuriates me to no end
Sylvie's character arc is actually well written compare to other female leads that has no arc to been seen. If she infuriates you to no end, maybe stop watching Disney movies. That will do you some good.
@@Mriya2012 Well written my foot 🤣🤣 What's original about her character?? Please describe her character and what do you like about her? Her entire character is a Rip off of Hiddleston's Loki. She has no unique identy of her own except her unique name "Sylvie". Her biological father's name is also Laufey, she has a sibling Thor, she was adopted as well by Odin and frigga and she's from Asgard. What's different about her that we don't know already from Loki's character in Thor Movies?
Also why didn’t he ever make himself some proper Loki clothes? Once he was away from the tva he could have made himself a new outfit. He literally complained about fine asgardian leather. But the. He’s just in an office outfit the rest of the show. I was expecting a cool new costume by the end like the last two shows. But nope, not for Loki
I'm glad I wasnt the only one bothered by this... I really disliked a lot of outfits in this show. The blue outfitted officers? Looks like an amature made them. The Young Loki variant? His outfit was super clean and looked weirdly/cheaply assembled, while the other Loki variants outfits were dirty and rugged. Loki got an office outfit, and Siv got a superior outfit. A small thing, but it bugged me, I'm thinking they had different designers on the set that didnt collaborate
8:20 To be fair, in the comics the infinity stones only really worked in their own universe, so it would make sense that they would be powerless in a realm that existed outside of their original timeline. Then again, we see Ultron use infinity stones from his universe to subjugate, or rather destroy, other universes that he comes into in the What If series, so then that doesn't make much sense either.
The Infinity Stones can work in other universes/timelines, but they don't work in the universe where the TVA is based.
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"If they have sex, is it incest or masturbation?" Man, if he comes up with these this alone, you got appreciate Critical Drinker for his insights. This question is genius level intellect.
It's great that they gave Loki character development after all these years, but it seemed so.. rushed. Like the God of Mischief isn't going to change into a whole-hearted protagonist in just two episodes. And the fact that most of his development was due to a 'girl variant' of himself is kind of dumb. The way they made those two kiss ended up being really uncomfortable. Plus the end of the show left me looking forward to absolutely nothing whatsoever.
Well, looking back on my own experiences, it is exactly that what changes us most. Sudden, undeniable realization of reality and seeing the own flaws in another person while loving other parts at the same time, always leads to intensification of the inner conflicts until they surface into consciousness and demand change. Change of habit takes time, yes, but realization of a persons own habits happens in an instant. If that realisation is contrasting enough, change of habit also changes in an instant. Like discovering a cheating partner, finding love, god, scientific explanations, or just plainly intuitive insight like "This drug is not helping me". Especially in situations where time is not been given in abundance.
@@levnzt6949 But you cannot make a statement like this without completely ignoring Loki’s character traits. What do we know about him up to Avengers 1 (which he is directly ripped from)? Loki is vindictive, cunning, self-interested, egotistical, cruel, tyrannical, flamboyant, among many other things. What is much more likely in a scenario in which Loki is shown his future events is that he sees them, realizes that he has made mistakes and declares “You’ve already told me that I’m not really this man. Therefore I won’t make the same mistakes he made.” And then he will continue to work toward his goals doing things differently knowing the outcomes. This is a complete assassination of Loki’s character whether his tears convinced you or not, because the show tries to say that Loki NEVER wanted to hurt anyone in the first place, that it’s somehow all an act when the people who actually watched Avengers know that that’s bullshit. This Loki attempted to conquer Earth in Thanos’ name, he murdered 80 people in two days, he gleefully ripped the eyeball from a man in front of hundreds of terrified people, he was going to execute an old man for standing up to him, he set the Hulk loose on the helicarrier, he managed to threaten Black Widow so badly that she felt compromised in her mission, when Thor offers him a chance at redemption IN THE MIDDLE of the Battle of New York, Loki stabs him in the chest. This is so drastically different from Loki in Ragnarok who received FIVE FILMS of character development and STILL had to rescue and help people in a manner that was self-gratifying.
@@Daily_Bassist Let's also not forget that even in his character development, the idea of having power always lingered. Leading to him taking the tesseract. It's not bad that he has a change of heart at the end, but what lead up to it makes him out to be such a dog on a leash, and it's embarrassingly inconsistent.
I agree the kids was awkward I kind of wish they didn’t fall in love but that does seem like something loki would do, literally fall in love with himself lol. Yeah but your just watching it like 😬😳 In the end I actually still really liked the show. I think the marvel shows are ok. I rank them like this. I’d say I really like top three Best 1.) moonknight 2.)Loki 3.) Hawkeye 4.) WandaVision 5.) Falcon winter soldier Worst
This guy is the same guy who was smashed against the ground multiple times by the same green gorilla who killed a giant alien worm with one single punch a few minutes earlier, and still managed to get up some minutes after. And a random girl is capable of knocking him with some punches.
I'm kinda baffled that people who watched the show are gawking over Sylvie despite she's practically a teenage fanfiction writer's self insert character.
@@alencia7203 They had all the opportunity to "explore" his powers in this and they didn't As Loki would say "are you ever going to *not* fall for that?"
@@malzo1701 well ask that to writer, he answers things on Twitter.....maybe they introduced classic loki to show lokis true potential....i actually liked the slow scenes with his development by seeing and experiencing things
@@alencia7203 they have no plan going forward, and just recently decided to have a meeting about were they are going to go with all of this. They are pulling the same shit they did with Star Wars.
Okay but seriously, can we just let women be actual villains without needing to have some pseudo-sympathetic backstory? Those villains make for some of the most iconic characters in media, And, right now, women aren't allowed to participate in that because they always have to be morally half-good. *Edit* for everyone saying "no one is born evil": Yes, in real life this is true. However, whether it's Jauffre in GOT, or Palpatine, or hell, if we expand our scope and include anime, there's a flood of awesome villains in fiction who are just huge dicks. That's because there are many ways to write a good villain. Them being realistic and being morally grey is not the only way to do that.
Honestly, as far as Disney goes, no. They seem to have a serious aversion to depicting a female character who is evil for its own sake any more, like Maleficent in “Sleeping Beauty.” They’re all now victims of something which forced them to make evil choices and would otherwise have been totally normal women. Check every modern Disney product; it’s the same in every case. Makes you wonder...
And possibly Wanda would be the main villain in Dr Strange 2 after we learn her backstory of her still grieving of her android boyfriend and the lost of her kids.
True omg, Karli was boring as fuck, same with Taskmaster who didn’t even had a line of dialogue, I suppose Agatha was fine on that area. She really felt like a power hungry witch who didn’t felt too Sympathetic to me. But then again even she has a unnecessary sad back story.
Wow, you didn't even get the most significant aspect of Lokis character. He's so arrogant and narcissistic he overestimates his significance and power all the time. He gets humbled over and over in every movie. By Thor, by the Hulk, even by an old german man.
Everyone seemed pretty cynical and nit picked the fuck out the writing as if it weren’t a series with way more to unpack. I enjoyed the 2nd season just as much as the 1st, if not more. Y’all need lil more patience
Lo más triste es que creo que el alligator, cómo Sylvie y otros Loki que no se vieran como Tom, no tendrían que existir. Si existe una sola posibilidad, una sagrada línea de tiempo sola, es en la que Loki nace y se ve como Tom Hiddleston. No puede existir un Loki mujer o alligator cómo está explicado en la serie, Ya que, sus eventos Nexus o "alerta de variante" para la TVA fue, en el caso del alligator, comer un gato. Sería más factible que el evento Nexus fuese haberse convertido en alligator.
@@spicy9116 I love Owen Wilson (who doesn't), but the feminist diversity hires turned him into a puss. His character is the kind of guy who gets cheated on and says "What did I do wrong, my queen?!"
2012 Loki: Killed bunch of people on Earth, didn't care about anyone but himself, was prepared to kill his own brother to achieve his goal, was borderline evil. also 2012 Loki: i'M jUst mIsuNdErStOoD
@David Chenet That's such a stupid thing to say in 3rd party source material. He acted like he was acting in Thor 1. If you remember in Thor 1 when Loki sent destroyer after Thor, he said: "Ensure that my brother doesn't return. Destroy everything". Not to mention his plot to gain father's favor, to destroy an entire planet, etc. Loki is not misunderstood anti-hero, he is villain. And we liked him as villain. Yes, he got redemption arc, but it was over a long period of time, a lot of suffering and mistakes. Not after watching a slideshow of what his future self went through.
In the first Thor Loki kills his biological father Laufey then tries to genocide his biological species by destroying their home planet. Seems several degrees more evil than trying to kill his step-brother, Thor.
They do a good job of explaining in the show his actions and Mobius calls him on it several times. And if you follow his MCU arc its not hard to see it.
@@RiseAgainst369 really don't think there was anything "woke" in this besides admitting a prince who lived for thousands of the years in the past probably slept with men and women like in our own earth. So not really woke, more just truthful
I think ever since The Force Awakens, Disney become so woke with Ma-Rey Sue. And then, MCU tries to become "Girl Power" ever since Captain Marvel appeared. *Insert Slow Motion Leelo Laugh*
@Damian Rubio he isn't. The fact his female counterpart shoving him aside to steal his thunder as the important character betrays the script writer's agenda to project woman as dominant. This is a rising trend.
I watched Avengers yesterday... Loki's whole shtick is that if he subdued humanity he can save them by removing their free will. Surely if they had turned that tables on Loki and caused him to have an existential crisis that was more than just pictures, then it may have been more believable
Watching Avengers vs Loki opened my eyes as to how they basically characterized him as Ragnarok Loki and he never spoke about Thanos. Loki was pale and sallow and vicious but he gets chumped by Sif kneeling him in the balls for hours wtffff
@@vanstoutenburg8932 it's hollow because he's a completely different character. But I am excited for the Kangz because Jonathan Majors just chewed the scene.
Frost giants in first thor movie: sneakily kills Asgardian soldiers in brutal and quick ways. Loki in this show who is a frost giant: gets beat up by random guy in a shop
that random guy was under control of a Frost Giant. He wasn't trying to fight, he was trying to talk. And DNA doesn't make someone's skills automatically, he (probably) wasn't trained in that type of fighting.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 maybe but it's still a pretty piss poor explanation. That's like a little kid fighting a body builder and engaging first, sure the body builder isn't interested in fighting or killing a child but the child will still get clapped regardless it's just rlly bad writing that makes Loki such a weakling
Same, I used to be obsessed with the MCU, but with the current crap they have been putting out lately, I’ve gotten bored of it and have no interest in what comes next.
And "The Multiverse of Madness" rewrote the definition of Multiverses in the Marvel Universe, making the definition mentioned in the "Loki" tv series' incorrect, invalidating the entire series.
@@jamescarr8196 imo. The Loki show's definition of the Multiverse is based on people not doing what they're supposed to and causing another universe, although you would think Sophie would have been a variant as soon as she was born but that doesn't make sense considering Loki can change his sex at will. The Multiverse of Madness just showed that every dream you have is a reality in another universe and that it doesn't show any effort into making one universe the only timeline. The movie shows all of these different timelines not causing wars of any kind. What both the show and movie did though, is put each of their titled stars in the backgrounds in favor of other characters. The MCU is really a mess right now. It has lost focus. Although I really did enjoy the movie despite its flaws.
@@jamescarr8196 Thank you. I did not take your comment as rude just as having a different opinion than my comment. I'm happy that you guess you agree. :)
Totally agree with you on your views about Marvel’s lacklustre nonsense since Endgame. I feel like we’re all going back in time with superhero movies now. This show turned Locke into a bore , just like Endgame lost the Hulk. They seem to have forgotten the simplicity of some stories from the comics. Now it’s a CGI blur & impossible storylines.
If only someone controlled enough stock to tell Bob Iger to do that and take his host of not-so-merry maladroits with him. I used to think KK was the problem, but clearly she would be on the street with 2 weeks severance, the wages of gross incompetence if he didn't approve every offensive thing she did.
Imagine a sci-fi show in which Loki is a Spike from Buffy kind of character - which lets face it - thats what he always was until now - forced to team up on at least one story arc along side Lady Sith from Thor and Agents of Shield Two clashing personality types Two characters with room to grow Greyness of a villain redemption or even just being evil as well and Sith So much potiential for Sith - she should have had a bigger role
This wasn't Loki at all, especially a 2012 Avengers Loki. This was a Simp Loki and absolutely no version of any Loki would ever be this horrendously well-intended.
Bro he developed and didn’t act like the 2012 Loki because he isn’t the 2012 Loki. He can change within the show you know. I mean when he first shows up in the show he was very much the Loki from avengers and changes throughout the show to become a different version of himself.
They promised me a show where Loki gets to do fun things and travel the multiverse and goof off or whatever. They hyped me up for President Loki! And guess what? Loki gets restrained by episode 1. And then I get served that President Loki scene for only like two minutes and a half and that's it. Damn
The 6 episodes of season 1 were actually rather good. The only weird part was how they nerfed the hell out of him, and randomly gave him plot powers. Loki was to much for Cap to handle, and he was durable enough to be rag dolled by Hulk.
Don’t forget that every woman storm trooper fought only men and threw them around and Lady Loki only fought men storm troopers killing every one of them. Oh yeah and didn’t take the first punch too.
@@houselemuellan8756 when it happens multiple times in a row, you know, like a pattern, you begin to notice it. By the end of the show it did become difficult to _not_ notice it.
Was there more then one named hunter tough? I'd just boil that down to her being a named character in a marvel show so of course she wins against grunts.
When the writer flat out says "how do we show that literally everything the MCU is built on, is bullshit and doesn't matter" that's an amazing strategy to get people to watch your show.
I just fail to understand how they made shit that came before not matter just because they are trying expand the universe youd be complaining if things stayed the same
Me and my mother watched all of your critiques in this series since Loki used to be one of our favourite characters and were beyond disappointed by the show. We agree with *EVERYTHING* that you have said!
Shame in the comics loki is a heavy hitter, Ignoring his magic even in just raw strength some of his feats such as lifting a car one handed and throwing it.
Yep. He could stay competitive with Thor in the first movie (maybe not beat him but just going a round means he should wipe the floor with any non-enhanced humans).
Marvel ended when thanos was defeated. While endgame was somewhat disappointing in comparison to infinity war it was a solid enough conclusion. I don’t regret not watching any of this phase 4 crap and I probably never will
@@yuvrajbanerjee8578 take out the nostalgia and it doesnt hold up. Why did they bring back previous spidys and villiains? Cause Toms ironboy cant hold a movie on his own.
