Very nice demo, nice 2 see people using an original thought process without jumping 2 conclusions about the strap when it is about the modification of the whole setup.
Thank you 👊 up in the stand system now. Would send pictures of the mods, but don't know how to send pictures or run RU-vid that well. Have all the nodded sticks, but this is lighter and better for me. Really appreciate you guys teaching me and others about this option 😊
I have been trying to come up with something that would work like that thank you for sharing that is going to be with my setup have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year
Just tried my Lone Wolf Hand Climber with my Tethrd Phantom and what an awesome combo! It took minutes to get comfortable with the system and start climbing. I used the little clipping straps that came with my Lone Wolf to strap the feet and clip that to the tether ala your mod in this video. I'm somewhere between you and your buddy on the flexibility scale so adjusting it with the pull up strap and so on was easy. I used your zip tie shortcut to raise the angle today. Will likely do the bolt now that I know how easy it works. Thanks for producing your videos here!
Thanks for the compliment and I'm glad you like the combo. I just Modded one two days ago for my cousins buddy. I also used one of the black straps as a foot strap. I just add 2 zip ties to the buckle so it can't come apart. More vids to come, just hunting at the moment..good luck
Try the S.M.A.R.T. climbing method, with that climber (would if I had one). You can see it in (One Stixing like a BOSS) video. It's all advancing the rope. It will be like chocolate, and PeanutButter. Have you ever climbed down and left the rappel rope to go back up? It's like that. It will be safer, easier, and quick. I hope you like it.
Very good video. The angle from the factory is INCORRECT! needs to be closer to a 45degrees.This guy has figured it out. It helps with the clearance of the floppy belt. It helps with the "inline pull of the floppy belt. make the teeth bite directly into the tree.100% certain!
I have been using 4LW 3step sticks and they are a pain. Heavy, bulky and can be noisy. I am going to look into get something like this setup. I have even thought of the one stick method and that seems like it would be cumbersome. This I like.
As a 44 year old non flexible stroke survivor, I appreciate your videos!! I plan on using this method, or modifying my Viper bottom platform. I don't care about only being able to be in straight trees using this method, I care about lightening my load to be able to walk 2+ miles into my spot without a 20 pound climber on my back! Thanks! Also, is that a Train I hear in the background?! My other obsession is trains!
Speaking as an engineer. There is one issue that doing this mod creates that must be considered. Increasing the angle and lengthening the strap effectively increases the vertical distance from the contact point of the stand on the front of the tree to the contact point of the band on the back of the tree. This mod will reduce the contact forces between the stands gripping surface and the tree. If we use easy numbers to do the calculations the math goes like this. if a 200 lb man stands on the end of the platform and the platform is 12 inches away from the tree horizontally and the vertical distance to the bands contact point on the back of the tree is 6" prior to the mod and 12" after the mod. Then prior to the mod the stand will exert approximately 400 lbs of force into the bark of the tree. After the mod the stand will exert only 200 lbs of force into the bark of the tree. So, if you choose to make this mod, be sure you remember this fact and take into account the bark of the tree you are climbing in. Makes sure it is got some roughness to it. Also, pay attention whether the tree is wet. Any issue that could make the tree harder to grab onto is important including how hard the tree is. Just be safe and make sure we all come home at the end of the hunt.
With the cord of the seat climber tied to your saddle like you had in previous videos to adjust platform angles while climbing...why couldn't you utilize that same method to climb around branches? Just bring an extra teather? Also are those stock length belts, or the extended ones from lw? Thank you for the videos.
Yes you can. I had my cord off (laying on the ground) for the video, thought it might be in the way. Yes they are the stock belts on both climbers. I do have a new XL belt at home though. Thanks for the complement!
Thanks for the video. It looks like it solves the problem that has frustrated me every couple of climes. Could you provide enough measurements so I can replicate the hole placement? Also if you have a base platform does the resulting angle match the base angle?
I knew the measurement questions were coming, ill work on that. I do know a few degrees positive or negative won't hurt anything. I do not have a base platform but I did stare at it in pics. It may be close but I'm sure my mod has more angle. Remember the hand climber was designed to stay flat for climbing because you lean on it to climb. I just modded it to work as a foot platform. Are you on" SADDLE hunter" forum? I could send you a pic.
I've never left a comment on RU-vid. I wanted to thank you for the video. I still carry my Muddy climbing sticks with the LW hand climber just in case there isn't a deasent tree to climb then the hand climber becomes my platform. Thanks again for the information.
Thanks for the compliment. I don't comment much myself. The handclimber is a great tool and I also use sticks but with a ROS. I need to make some more vids, probably after the season closes.
ROS? I have XOP sticks and Muddy sticks. I like the Muddy sticks for the rope cam. I've been using the hand climber with a 30ft tree tether and a Petz Grigi. I climb up and slide down the rope. And in case of an emergency I can get to the bottom of the tree safe. Don't try this at home. To those who may read this comment and try this method I am not a professional tree climber and I recommend that you get professional training from your local rock climbing store.
@@johnnypalmer2574 They look to be a good option. I thought about the beast stick to long and they were sold out. Good luck the rest of the season. Im in the one buck state of Ohio so im still waiting for the right deer.
Please don't crucify me.... do you use a rope to protect against losing the hand climber part? If so, where do you hook it too? What do you do during the hunt. I love this method and will 110% give it a shot!
WOW... this is SO much faster and simpler than DRT, SRT or sticks! The only possible issue is (as was mentioned by another in this channel)... if you're up high and one of the bolts breaks, it will be a bit dicey coming down. What am I missing? Love it.
Thanks man...I'll do a long over due 4th video soon. I have the original modded HC and it has never broke a bolt. But if a bolt broke the arm would move down to the original resting place and would climb down fine
Just be careful guys. I had the hand climber bolt broke on me, while twenty feet up. Luckily I have some para cord to make it work so I can get down. And this was with the regular hand climber set up. Imagine sadle up 30ft and this happens. Now I have a bigger bolt on it. Wear n tear will gradually weaken the factory bolts.
i have a 35' climbing rope for my tether and at the end of the hunt i can just repel down and if climber breaks or falls can always get down with this method
@@johnnypalmer2574 Thank you! I will follow that recommendation. Like some other guys I m not a fan of drilling the platform so I will try the garden hose/zip ties option
@@Picard80 I hear you, also try a hose clamp with the bolt area resting on the stand...you will love it. Climbing with a 4lb platform and a piece of rope is great!
My body weight keeps it locked and I keep my feet under my foot strap. If leaning to the side for a shot is not enough ( usually is ) I'll bring/pivot the platform around the tree a little bit. Like if you were stepping around on a ring of steps.
My cousin (1st video) likes the strap better. He said it doesn't bite as good as a rope on wet trees though. Speed wise, it's just practice practice. Honestly I like going slow and steady up and down trees. Then I can look around for deer and try to not sweat as bad.
What happens when that slips off your feet and you are hanging there with no way to climb down? All the climbing stands have the top and bottom tied together to prevent that.
The problem is, you can only point your ankles/feet so far down to create the stand angle that achieves more clearance for the belt. The mod artificially increases the stand angle and when added with max foot angle, creates the extra belt clearance. If you could increase the foot angle, you wouldn’t need to mod the stand. How about a wedged shape piece of dense foam under your forefeet? It would compress when you stand on it, but as soon as you take your weight off of it, it would push against the stand creating a steeper angle. When combined with max foot angle it would effectively create a steeper stand angle, producing the same type of “clearance” as your mod. I just bought a top. I will try this out soon and see how it works. If it works, you wouldn’t need to “mod” your stand. I have seen some stands eventually break at the mod bolt hole if not perfectly.
No...you need to get a LWHC in your hand. Put it around the tree by hand. Angle it any way you want by hand and you will see the band is to choose to the tree. I know of 2 that broke that were UNmodded because people bounce on them. Mine and about 90 others out there are still going strong so I think it works for most people.
U could probably while u have your lineman saddle attached just put a Wild Edge steppladder on 2 put a foot on while u adjust your climbing seat around the hindering branch.
Hey Adam, we (3 of us) have not had any issues and I have the original with the most miles on it. I know of at least 30 guys around the country who have done my bolt mod without issues. I hear it's more like 100 guys...i know that 3 or 4 guys had issues and one of them started with a used bent platform. I think some people just bounce on it etc and break them. If you don't want to drill, use a piece of rubber in between and zip tie it down. I did that at first while I was trying different arm angles...i will do a new video soon.
Johnny Palmer - Adrena123 awesome!! I appreciate it! Just tried it briefly today for the first time and quickly learned a bungie for the foot stirrups is a bad idea. I’ll tinker and keep an eye out for the new video. Thank you!
@@a.b.k1983 yea bungee is no good...i use a 2 piece summit strap that is adjustable. Girth hitch on each side with adjuster in the middle. Helps adjust for different boot sizes through out the season.
Why not just use the LW Assault Hand Climber the way it was designed to climb the tree. Then when you get to hunting height you can use your saddle. Bring a couple of ratchet straps and you now have 2 platforms to stand on.
@@TerryKetterer76 I do use the LW hand climber as it’s designed at times. The reason I climb with two seats is just to drop weight when I have long walks to my set. You can easily convert the sit and climb seat to a platform.
It climbs any tree well. I just pay more attention when the tree is wet if you know what I mean. I used a loggy bayou climber for over 20yrs on many trees. That tree stand has no teeth, all rubber contact points and I never had an issue. You just have to be on your A game when the tree is wet and or smooth bark. Don't rush.
So fast forward four years from your video, why hasn’t accompany even Lonewolf come out with a modified single platform for saddle hunting, combination? I’ve only seen one. It was poorly designed and very heavy. I’m assuming Lonewolf won’t just sell me half of a climbing stand ? As soon as someone comes out with one, I’ll be getting rid of my sticks.
Well your in luck...if you like them Ofcourse. I just saw two new ones come out about a month ago. One seems decent, the other kinda not. The one is called panther platforms I think. I'm still using my LW but I modified it about 2 yrs ago with more length so I can turn freely like a hang on stand will allow. That is why I don't like or use saddle platforms, to small. Damn 4 yrs and no videos, time fly's. The internet and social media is such a double edged sword to me, that's why. So much BS out there but there is good stuff too. ..I might get the bug again
I've tried it. The issue is that the amount of travel of the platform is limited so it takes longer to get up the tree and down. When you have the sit and climb method of a climber you can bring your knees higher. The saddle prevents this cause youre up against the tree with your knees bent already, thus reducing length of travel. I guess in order to travel lighter this is an option but it does have that drawback. Also you need limbless trees.
Remember we're all at different fitness levels. Plus the more someone practices, the better they get. Idon't know how long it takes you but i can climb 30' in 6 minutes, 7 minutes to be stealthy. My cousin can do it in less than 5 minutes! He's flexible, I'm not. As far as limbed trees go, some guys do it. I could see one limb to deal with but I'd rather use my rope on steps. The hand climber is just another tool in the box.
@@johnnypalmer2574 I agree, its very innovative just not right for me. I admire the ingenuity. I'm a big dude and not that flexible. Obviously, the better shape your in, the more options you have.
Wassup man, none of us have had to use the larger band. I do have one though still in the package. When we lean back in our saddles with our feet against the trunk, we look like a branch growing up and out. Real natural looking compared to a dude sitting in a metal chair off the side of a tree.
Best way I've found is to simply set the arm at 50 degrees, hold the nut underneath and mark it. I used a thin pencil to mark through the inside of the nut. Try to make the hole as low as possible for strength. Not much room for error. As far as a grade 8 bolt, nobody's bolts are breaking. Not a bad idea though, so go for it.
@@johnnypalmer2574 Thanks....I have a seat here I hate carrying stuff into the wood...grab a pack an platform an go.be up a tree in 5 minutes or less...less is best
The amount of problems you Saddle hunters have to solve is endless. I did the saddle thing for years and gave up on it. It’s an endless stream of challenges and problems to overcome. Not worth the trouble.
