Interesting how Alicents anxiety she had when she was younger (the fingernail ripping) has grown into full blown paranoia. I’ve seen that happen in real life.
How is she being paranoid when her suspicions are facts? Rhaenerys has failed her duty and dishonor her position. Her antics will easily lose her the support from a grand majority of traditional lord who will raise their support for who should be the rightful aid do westeros according to their laws and traditions: Aegon? She knows Rhaenerys and she knows her ambition could lead her to putting her kids to death if it came to it
Alicent startet to resent Rharnyra amongst other reasons because Rhaenya chose to be free when it came to her sexuality, with her night with Ser Cole but also with the father of her children. Alicent just had to endure sex with an old man, which his father arranged. I think its a good metaphor for feminism even today
Sad to see how Alicent became her father, she uses her children as pawns. But the way these two sisters have become bitter enemies is so heartbreaking, I just know in the culmination of this story, will be gut-wrenching.
I could literally be the only now but I see Alicent's view and she has a point to fear for her children's life. I know this will end up badly but I would love for these two to find a way to live in peace. Without Viserys they would be still a team
Raenhyra said a lot of times when she becomes queen alicent and her children would have place on her court. And then years after at the table to marry raenhyra older son and alicent daughter as peace and union Alicent just doesn't get it and life's in state of paranoia
I think it's more than that, if she was only out ro protect her children she should have let their families marry, that would greatly secure the peace. But she does want her son to be king and have power, even if she has to kill Rhaenyra
@Lily Pond well not exactly - she knows rhaenyras children are bastards, which puts them in an extremely unstable and dangerous position, on top of her not trusting rhaenyras word anymore to begin with
Alicent brought this upon herself. What did she think her father was doing when he offer her to the King? She lived at court, she was best friend to the Princess and she understood what it meant for Rhaenyra if the King had a son. BTW it is Otto’s fault that Rhaenyra is in this mess. He insisted she should be named heir. There was no need for that, specially if he was planning on getting Alicent into the King’s bed; because you know that is also implied. I am not going to sympathize with people who created the situation their are in and who carelessly jeopardize the lives of others. Otto and Alicent can go straight to hell. I feel bad for the kids because they are pushed into this, but once they are adults, specially the males, they can make different decisions. If they don’t, they can go meet mom and grandpa.
*Cries in Valyrian* This is just amazing. The song choice is incredibly fitting and I love seeing young and adult Rhaenicent in this. The relationship from a deep platonic love to an intense hatred of enemies w/ underlying romantic/sexual tension is what makes it so compelling to me. But my goodness that look Alicent gave Rhaenyra @ 1:56-2:01 gets me every single time. The romantic framing of that shot. The longing. I can't even. And then the look between them @ the end...ugh so much tension it's insane. 🔥🔥🔥 Thank you for this beautiful masterpiece!! 🖤💚
their relationship is getting so angsty :c very glad that you liked it! thank you for commenting💖✨ and seriously i appreciate the nice words, those seconds that you mention, I thought exactly the same, it really conveys all that longing
@@calebgarage4254 Ahh, yes the book excuse. Since you've read the books, you would know that their dynamic is different compared to the show. Unlike the book, they decided to make the characters childhood friends before becoming enemies. As for why fans see something more between them, I don't see how it's a problem as it's left to interpretation. We know it's never going to happen.
@@calebgarage4254 the actors played them as having romantic feelings for each other, so sorry for believing the actual ppl who portrays them than a stranger in the internet who only read the books.
Alicent was locked into a life she didn't want, basically being ordered to marry the King and carry his children, while Rhaenyra got to be freer. Alicent was played like a pawn, but she is still my favourite character.
I actually think young alicent even loved romantically (maybe she even didn't knew it herself/wanted to admit it) rhaenerya. Or at least the author was very good to let that subtle doubt grown on viewers.
That's how they seem to be in power. It's good the Iron Throne has been burned forever. Reasons why fallen kingdoms in real life exist because of some family feud in the expense of people's lives.
Alicent does HAVE a point. She was forced to marry. Have children. She doesn't get a say in anything. Rhaenyra, gets to have children with Harwin, everyone knows it. And gets to be in love. I can see why she's pissed. I see both sides.
I think the way she sees it is that she wants “it” more and has sacrificed more than Rhaenyra, because well… she has. She essentially gave away her life so she could be a royal womb for an old king. That resulted in her losing her closest friendship and probably strained her relationship with her father when he was removed from his position. Rhaenyra married a friend and is clearly having sex with and loving who she pleases. I adore Rhaenyra but she is flawed like any character and is very clearly spoiled and somewhat entitled. And anyways, it’s really not crazy for Alicent to be concerned about the safety of her sons - the very fact that they’re boys makes them threats to Rhaenyra’s throne.
But why be pissed is the question? If someone is truly your friend and you wish them well, you would not despise them for living their lives freely. You shouldn’t feel that way about anyone period because you get back what you put out but that’s a topic for a different video lol What you are describing is jealously- you’re rooting for the side of jealousy. Alicent is not the morality police and yet she’s obsessed with outing Rhaenyra’s sins.
@@Kadasberry11 I don't know I think relationships between women our especially complicated. I think being her friend just makes jealously more likely. You compare yourself the most to your close female friends. And often friendships becomes toxic as you get older because you are supposed to be close but gradually end up hurting each other. Because of friendship you continue the relationship long before it should have ended.
SO GOOD! I love them both so much and want them to be happy but we all know they cant and your edit does such a good job at getting at the underlying tragedy between these two! And such an excellent song choice as well!
I think the people who are sticking up for Alicents would have good points if Rhaeyah actually did things to make her believe the moment she sit on the throne she will kill Alicent and her children. Two the argument of saying I understand Alicent because she had no choice is crazy and that because Rhayah has more freedom it’s understandable for her to react like that. That’s jealousy and that’s a deadly disease. You can’t call someone a friend but have some type of resentment or animosity towards them because their living there life they way they want to or following the rules they want to that just doesn’t make sense
All point out how Rhaenyra allowed herself to be free to father her children with whomever she so chose, but as a very important side question which viewers are privy to, wasn't she essentially obliged to do so because her own husband is gay (even if she didn't plan to be "free" from the start)? What was the other choice- forcefully make a man sleep with her to have heirs? Naturally Alicent doesn't know these details, but knowledge of them takes the edge of judgment from Rhaenyra's actions.
Her husband being Gay is not an excuse. Rhaenyra needs to understand that because she will be queen then her life is not her own. She belongs to the realm. If Laenor couldn’t get her pregnant then she could’ve hopped on the back of her dragon and made a quick trip to see her uncle. There were options. She just chose the worst one.
@@jjh2456 I completely disagree. How's hopping on a dragon to see her MARRIED uncle better than her choice? That's ethically wrong, far more so than falling in love with another free man who loved her back. Because Rhaenyra suggested to Laenor from the very beginning that they may dine as they so wish after doing their duty, we all know this forced relationship wasn't going to be monogamous (and miserable) from the start. But they COULDN'T DO THEIR "DUTY." It wasn't happening. A straight woman marrying a gay man, let alone when it is her duty to have heirs, does call for countermeasures when the first plan fails. Between being childless, "hopping" to her uncle who left her, or doing her best to keep appearances while having a relationship based on mutual respect instead of betrayal toward Laena, she did what she had to do.
I don't understand people who hates alicent she unfortunately has a point when it comes to the safety of her children because when the time comes and rheaneyre takes the throne there will be people who want aegon for the throne and she might even have to eliminate her brothers and marriage promises makes no difference we saw that with joffrey
People forget who betrayed who, and said, "no, it's not her fault. She's manipulated by her father." She still did it. Every human have control with their actions. "Don't blame the alcohol for your wrong doing"
It’s not the same if you are minor. You do everything your parents ask of you. You can arrest a drunk driver but you can’t arrest a minor for the crimes their parents asked them to commit
The way a lot of people outside HOTD appreciate Alicent makes me happy. I think Olivia and Emily did a terrific job. I just hope they change her ending and make her die in peace or at least change the Brothel thing.
@@kingalicent totally, the books as well, it's the most realistic "growing up" story for me as a girl and it really shows a true female friend/rivalry across the protagonists years
How beautiful was when they were friends then that friendship went to hell and to the garbage, once Alicent married Rhaenyras father it could never be like how it was before
By the time the dance of dragons civil war is over y'all are going to be depressed as hell if this is how you're all reacting to it before it even begins.
I can't be the only one who likes Alicent, she's just acting in self-preservation after being thrown into a horrible set of circumstances! Team Green 💚
Rhaenyra never threatened Alicent or her children. Alicent was manipulated like a child and then turned everything into anger and resentment. She not only supported Rhaenyra's usurpation, but condemned all women after her to be treated like time bombs due to the situation that put Rhaenyra... the greens are the villains of this story. Regardless of Alicent's motives, she still traumatized her own children out of pettiness and paranoia. Team Blacks 🖤
@@isabellelaet6431 There's literally no reason to assume Rhaenyra wouldn't have Alicent's children killed the second a threat to her claim was posed. If it won't be her it'll be Daemon. Just last episode they had an innocent servant thrown into the fire just to fake Laenor's death and marry. Rhaenyra is privileged, entitled, and power hungry beyond imagination
Yes, Alicent is very popular outside HOTD Twitter. Book Alicent was loved by the small folk, but while Book Rhaenyra throw an expensive party while peasants were dying, killed her own dragon riders because they were "bastards" (the irony) and other things. Show Alicent has a lot of fans too.
Young rhaeynra and Alicent were in love it’s facts and also the actresses have played them that way except book readers will not budge and see Alicent from the books?? This is the show a completely different interpretation! They were in love Damn it and men and politics tore them apart.
Am I the only one who just sees them as former friends? I don't see it as anything romantic. Each to their own but I want more shows to portray bonds like normal friendships or family bonds
The writers didn't intend any romantic tension, but the actors chose to add that layer to give more depth to their performance 💞 they say so in interviews with young Ali and young Rhae
Alicent : When you just trying to call out the family th0t, raise an actual man, and hold the realm together through male primogeniture but the audience hates you 😔 Nah lol jokes aside Rhaenyra didn’t make that marriage offer out of the kindness of her golden heart and generosity. She did it to entrench the claim of her illegitimate son who has no right whatsoever to the throne. A flimsy marriage alliance is not gonna save Prince Aegon & Aemond’s lives if Rhaenyra spawn by Harwin take the throne & ppl start calling him what he really is. Black-cest fans swearing this time their Queen won't turn out to be a complete psycho. Insert Pepe Silva gif. 👏👏 Moar Gurlboss Warlords 👏👏
Imagining being on the team of someone who literally slept with her best friend’s father then proceeded to make said friend’s life a misery because she could sleep with people she loved lmao-
@@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura Imagine transplanting 21st century sensibilities on a medieval people. The marriage was the most conventional thing for that time. Being a treasonous infidel was not.
@@SDG.12 You’re not a medieval person lmao. You don’t have to use the same sensibilities as Alicent to come to a conclusion on the show. That’s ridiculous. Anyone with a brain can clearly see how unreasonable and hypocritical Ali is, there was literally no need to ruin Rhae’s life because she had sex with people she liked. It’s giving misogyny.
Rhaenyra could have avoided half of the things that led to the things as they are if she didn't have bastards. A lot of the conflict comes from that in itself, ultimately she was a woman who wanted a lot but wasn't willing to act in a way befitting that. It's reasonable alicent wouldn't want her daughter married to the bastard ot rhaenyra. For people in our age it probably doesn't matter much, not like most of you lot are nobility or anything like that... That stuff has lost importance either way. To them it's an extremely important thing. Dance of the dragons was for the best in that regards, in the end aegon ||| took the throne as a pure Targaryen unlike the trueborn half targaryens or the strong bastards
Not so much that but instead the constant gaslighting. The bastards was just one instance. When her son Aemond lost his eye to one of those bastards though there was no turning back after that.
I love your Rhaenyra/Alicent videos! Especially the song choice for this one. This would also be a great song for them imo: (My Enemy by Chvrches) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7Wc8aJChPQQ.html
Still Team Alicent. Alicent got betrayed by her friend. Lost her father. Her womb sold to the crown. A loveless marriage. No friends because of status. Her children threatened to lose the game for the crown. Rhaenyra could have manage at least a little and she did not do it. Alicent was a great friend. No one tries to understand her. She is just terribly alone in her life.
I actually think young alicent even loved romantically (maybe she even didn't knew it herself/wanted to admit it) rhaenerya. Or at least the author was very good to let that subtle doubt grown on viewers.
What a great friend Alicent was, she had meetings with Viserys right after Aemma's death and hide it from Rhaenyra. Alicent had a very powerful position at court and most of the council had her back. Rhaenyra was also alone, she didn't have anyone but sor Harwin and Laenor, and Alicent's children were threatened to lose the game because the crown was never theirs on the first place, the Greeens brought this war upon themselves mainly by greedy reasons.
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