most 300blk rounds out of most guns are going subsonic around 6-700m. So yeah, crapshoot. Good to see someone has the time and money to do this though...I don't lol.
No shit lol. It isn't a sniper round, that isn't what it was made for. 1000 yard tests are just fun. Realistically you will never shoot a person that far away unless you are military, Leo, or its post apocalypse. My opinion, 300blk shorty and an ar10 in .308 (or lapua if you are loaded) make a damn good pair
Adam Morgan's NorthEast Texas Tactical Range in Kaufman, TX looks like a good place to shoot. I thank you and Adam for sharing this video. I wonder how well I could do with the Ballistically similar 160 grain 30-30 Hornady pointed tip rounds. They offer a heavier and similar shaped 160 grain bullet that leaves a 20" barrel at about 2400 feet per second or leaves a 16" barrel at an estimated 2300 fps.... This could be fun. I also wonder if the 300 Whisper'ing Blackout Drop compensation scopes might match 140 or 160 grain hornady flight well.....Hmmmh ... The dual drop reticle for super and subsonic flights might be fun too with handloads at subsonic velocity... Look out whitetails Mr. Marlin is coming to a forest near you this fall.
I enjoyed your video. I've read some comments that suggest the problem you were having not making hits on your target was due to incorrect windage adjustments or failing to understand what you were doing. I wish these people would listen to what you said from the very beginning. Although you did give it a brief mention, you clearly stated that you would be dealing with the bullet transitioning from supersonic to subsonic. This explains everything with regard to your results. The bullet went subsonic at aprox 700-720 yards. That left a significant distance to go in order to hit the target. I'm surprised you hit it at all. Thanks for putting this up.... Your video clearly demonstrated the limitations of this caliber perfectly... which I presume was your intent.
Ryan Thomas Not really, when the bullet is going this slow, it's not stable or predictable. Wind was a factor, I was holding 4-5 mils of wind, but this bullet is subsonic for over 400 yards..
+Ryan's Range Report Wind, plus not waiting for wind breaks, only using 125 grain when there is such better ammo if your trying to get long shots. I use 220 grain Sig Sauer sub ammo and never have a problem hitting my targets at 1000 yards. I only go to the range probably every 6 months and haven't missed but 18 shots of 500 at 1000 yards. So be patient and wait for the wind breaks if you want to hit it every time and use better ammo if shooting this far. Silencer Co. has some Harvester 220 grain ammo that has the best grouping I have seen so far out of a 300 blackout and I actually just switched all of my ammo out of my mags to this and I am never going back and its only a dollar a round. You can get a case of 20 or a case of 200. They only have it in 300 blackout right now.
Windham Weaponry AR15 chambered in 7.62x39 NO PROBLEMS and can put a suppressor on it and to make it subsonic Just take some powder out and BAM SUBSONIC. & they make 7.62x39 rounds that are more than 3000 FPS. LOOK IT UP
X39 is way more expensive to reload for, and the 300blk is an amazing cartridge to reload. There's a ridiculous amount of things you can do with it. Plus it uses all the same parts as a regular ar unlike the x39.
That's a long distance to try to hot with the 300 blackout in high winds. Or it sounds like high winds. The 300 blkout was designed to burn it's powder out in 10 inches or so. That way it could be fired from a shorter barrel with a suppressor. Though with a lighter bullet it can be extended to longer barrels because there is less resistance and the powder can burn faster. However, you lose round stability in long flight with the lighter bullet. Impressive shooting though. Gotta wonder what the wind speed was. If it was more than a five mph cross wind those are amazing shots
So this was a long time ago, but I legit remember holding 5-7 mils of wind! I'll try and work up the numbers, but I'm pretty sure it was 12-16mph winds that day.
So what bullet do you recommend to shoot in 300 blk out for max accuracy and terminal ballistics though say an 11 inch barrel using the caliber for what it was intended for? cqb ranges to 500 yards...say. There is so many choices right now from 110g. to 220g subs...but which ones really blow up the watermelon??? any ideas???
+Mickel Burgess Check out the Barnes TSX 110grn. It's sub MOA in HPR and Barnes factory loaded ammo, and a few reviews will show you that it's terminal ballistics are top-notch. It's expensive, but why skimp on the bullet?
+Mickel Burgess For long range accuracy, I've found the .308 Sierra Matchking 125 grain #2121 to be an excellent performer at distance. Long bullet. Good coefficient. Flat base. I also like the 125 grain Hornady SST's and the 110 grain V-Max
Ryan's Range Report Vmax 110 is still over 1000FPS at 600yrds, I normally shoot at pigs at around 60 yards. The Navy says effective vest kill range is 440 meters, so I would guess that would be as far as you want to get with 300 Blk.
Edward van halen At 1000 fps a whopping 242 ft-lbs of energy it's going to poke a .30 caliber hole halfway through whatever you hit, if you hit anything at all. A 9mm pistol has more energy than that, are you going mule deer hunting with your Beretta? Another mildly important detail, when a supersonic bullet drops below the sound barrier it destabilizes and accuracy goes out the window, as demonstrated by this video. So, go shoot a mule deer in the ass with your 9mm and tell me about how effective that's going to be.
The video just going to black screen for an ending sucked for me. I thought my phone cut off. 🙄 But the rest was cool. But you sure need a better spotting scope. Great shooting for what you were working with and that wind. 😎👍
I like the .300 AAC Blackout and believe it is better than 5.56 x 45 out to about 250 yards. Bullet drop of .300 AAC Blackout is about 18 inches using supersonic 125 grain bullets with a 16 inch barrel at about 275 yards range. Beyond 300 yards is extreme range for this round with supersonic ammo. Subsonic ammo has much less range than supersonic ammunition. Maximum effective range is about 400 yards with this cartridge. The bullet drop is likely beyond 40 inches at 400 yards range. I don't think I could get reliable hits beyond 275 yards with a .300 Blackout rifle so I would not even try.
Jon Kim This is MUCH MUCH quieter than a 300 blackout AR. With Subsonics you can use a much softer load with different powder, as you do not need the pressure to cycle the bolt. I'll be doing a video w/ Liberty suppressors soon, and we'll do some DB testing on that very gun.
No with the suppressor. It's not completely silent, standing out in afield is not completely silent. It is however much quieter. I have a few videos on it, check them out
I'm pretty sure the first shot where it hits high is a ricochet off the ground. I played it in super slo mo and it hits the ground and bounced up and hit the top. I couldn't hear it cause I put the volume down when I played it slow.
For taking such a difficult shot with an admittedly difficult round you should have taken off your suppressor. The suppressor/velocity debate is dead these days, but one thing people seem to forget is that the weight of the suppressor (which is usually not insignificant) is "pushing" the barrel down, effectively throwing your shots low. Unsuppressed you have a high likelihood of having a "straighter*" shot. *Obviously there is no such thing as a straight shot, hence the quotations.
It's the exact same reason you want a free floated barrel, to not fire from a position that has the barrel itself being supported or not having a rifle sling too taught from any shooting position, all of these will affect the barrel and from I've heard the barrel is kind-of a big deal. Unless your suppressor is made of unobtainium it weighs in the ballpark of 2 pounds. That's probably as much as your barrel itself. That is definitely going to affect barrel whip, harmonics, ect.
This is nothing like a free floated barrel. My suppressor weights 11oz, and my other weights 9oz. If the weight, and contact is consistent, you will have zero issues. You can make a non free floated rifle run just fine, if the pressure is consistent along w/ the contact with the barrel.
Ryan's Range Report Bullet stability: Is your twist rate matched well to the bullet weight used ? Scope Reticle Type & MOA : is your scope conducive to long range shooting ? I hate to blast you with the 20 questions but I'm really trying to see if a 18" Wilson Combat 300 black barrel can fit an SPR role better than a 223 wylde in a 18" - 24" can.
justinwoolee I don't feel like you get any extra speed out of a 18" 300 blackout. The scope was a MK6 with a TMR reticle , twist rate was 1:7. It had everything it needed. It's just a hard shot at 1000 yards. I can easily get on at 1000 yards with my 18" 556 from daniel defense using 68gr ammo from stand 1 armory.
I've used for white tail plenty of times... but I also live in NC and have thick pine forests so my longest shot on average is about 50 yards unless I'm hunting the edge of a field then it might get up to 100-150 yards. Running a 16" barrel with pistol length gas tube
While I can't debate much as there's too little information to really state what the problem would be. What was the wind speed and direction? What range did you sight in at and did you use your DOPE from this to make your adjustments? By far I'm not an expert. What I've been doing is researching as much as I can to understand this round and it seems to be a 300 yard or less with subs while there's not much info on supersonic rounds; everyone seems to be using supersonic (assuming that's what you were using in this with the 110grn). Did you test for max effective ranges with the super? I didn't see you writing anything down, was there a reason you didn't? I can tell you're not a dummy as you made your mil adjustments, some on the fly others on the scope. Also, which scope were you using? I apologize I have a bazillion questions that have me scratching at an itch on the supersonic rounds and there's not much out there. Thanks Duh... I feel like an idiot.. I should have read through the comments first.. hahahahahaha thanks for the vid buddy
I'll answer some anyway though. Did not write anything down as I had already shot out to 700 yards with this caliber, and was using that for my dope. I did not adjust the scope because it was maxed out and I was holding 5 mils past the max elevation.
3 out of 20ish aint bad.... well those were luck. You should check your ammo because the report from the 110g supersonic rounds was pretty drastic from where I was sitting. Check your powder charge because something is wrong.
If you are going to do videos of using platforms in situations they are not designed for, can you do a video of using a suppressed minigun (wow thats a lot of cans at the end of a gun) shooting subsonics in a CQB scenario?
Nice P&W shirt. I work at H&D, your seal supplier. Just bought a .300 actually by mistake (was using filters to buy my first ar, so I didn't know sig made the exact same gun in 5.56 and .300), so I've been watching vids to decide whether to keep it or switch it out
That's a pretty hard-core claim - that you upgraded to the 300 before ever having the 5.56, lol. The benefit would be that your AR is now a hunting caliber, but ammo won't be as cheap. When I got my first AR15, I bought a Lee reloading kit within months. Perhaps you could consider the same to save money on loads over the long run, and to have better control of the accuracy of your rifle? It certainly adds en entire new dimension to shooting, and usually one is less prone to go to the range and just blast through $40 of ammo in 5 minutes. The slower pace of accuracy shooting, even with a normal 16" barrel, is great for kids and girlfriends to do as well (but it means investing in a scope).
yup,... must be a 300 blackout or else why would it take so long to get to the pile of dirt with the miniature targets right in front of your porch? ... ;-)
How bout that corioilis effect. Did ya take that into account?? FYI.... No I am most certain you did not, because the earth is a flat plane, not a spinning ball with water sticking to it, and that's right.... the earth does not spin, it is stationary. You might take in the effect of barometric pressure, temperature, wind direction and speed but you don't take account for no earth spin did ya? And be honest.
The name of your channel would suggest that you have (or are offering) knowledge in the area of ballistics and firearms... Why, under any circumstances, would you feel the need to 'establish' that subsonic ammunition (any caliber/any chambering) is not suitable for 1000yard shots?? That information would be in the general 'duh' category for a range reporter.. and pretty common assumption amongst the average shooter or hunter. Perhaps you should have quantified 'xxxgr subsonic loads' are not suitable, instead of declaring an entire cartridge which has loadings from 70gr-230gr isn't suited for this or that..
