Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - What's the Difference? 

And together they reach the more prosaic number of one gross (144).

John Doe Which is why there were 142 guests (plus Bilbo and Frodo) to the special, after party thing, (which includes Bilbo's speech)

I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half of what you deserve!

Wha?

Chris McWilliams what Bilbo had said in his big speech during the party in TFotR.

Fatty Bolger stays at Frodo's new house so people will think Frodo is still there.

And there's the fifth Hobbit Freddy - who also helps out with seeing to it that Frodo doesn't leave the Shire alone but with Merry, Pippin and Sam.

Frodo also does not sell the house, he actually gives away Bilbo's things as per his "will" and then leaves, leaving his only relatives the Sackville Bagginses as the heirs of Bag End. When he returns Lotho is dead and Lobelia is shattered by this, leaving the house in Frodo's hands and dies in a year.

@@JacquelineMoleski don't forget how Freddy beat the army of gollum. Wich also wasn't in the movie. At the battle of ballszehard Freddy sadly died with a mace to the nuts.

@John M accidentally falling into which cart? I don't follow. Do you mean running into them with all the veg in the corn field, which I think was more to miss out the long time gap, house move, farmer maggot ect. I know the long trip to the new house, moving all his furniture in, the baths, Fatty Bolger and the conspiracy, and Fatty to scared to leave and dare not go into the old forest so stays behind and wears Frodo's clothes to make it look like he is home, lol bad mistake as he nearly gets killed by the ringwraiths

The Extended Edition (believe it or not) is how I first watched the film trilogy, and I how that line from Pippin is also where Fellowship's Extended edition Disc 1 ends. It's perfect timing.

Jordacar: Pretty much😎

Except that Tom saves the hobbits from the wight, which is where Merry gets the blade that he uses on the Nazgul king. Without that blade, the king would not have been destroyed. So, indirectly, Tom plays an important role.

+Jordacar - I think I read somewhere that Tolkien said he had a lot of similarities to Faramir as far as characters go.

Jordacar Bombadil surprised me so much like man how do I resist that power my dude?!

Actually in a letter JRRT said that the character that expresses him best is Faramir, especially as Faramir's reaction to the Ring is how Tolkien believes he'd react to it.

like... WAY MORE

Rather ironic then that Disney didn't buy the rights to them, huh?

Joshua Grahm tell me about it!

most of his hostility to Disney is related to a certain 7 dwarves...

Surely he means the (3) part The Hobbit Saturday morning cartoon movies, but possibly he means the other The Hobbit adaptation which focused on Peter Jackson's all controlling ego (the movie he made into 3 parts)

All three, one night after the other.

yeah

So true

I did not like the extended version's depiction of the orcs at all. They went from being feral pack animals barely obedient to the will of their masters to WW1 british infantry. A few scenes worked well, but the less they talked, the better.

Wait what are you talkin about?

Eleventy-First like

And they leave about nine years AFTER Bilbo disappeared. It wasn't days after.

@Janis1526 In the movies it is actually 20 years as well, they just do a really bad job of showing it. By the time they arrive in Rivendell, Bilbo has already aged a great deal in the movies. Getting rid of the ring doesn't make you look like your actual age, it just means you will begin aging again, albeit slowly. The ring is supposed to extend your life. So if you get the ring at age 50, you will stay looking age 50 until you get rid of the ring, and then slowly continue aging from there. So the fact that Bilbo had aged so much at Rivendell really shows how long it had been.

@Janis1526 Yeah I mean Elijah Wood was a 20-something-year-old playing a 50-year-old lol.

@Janis1526 hobbits don't age like we do, not even the men race in Lotr ages like we do.

​@@johan.ohgren yeah but the adulthood of hobbits begins in their 33 year. So Frodo is not so young even for Hobbits

OP but totally flaky. At some point in the books (in Rivendell, I think?) Frodo suggests giving Tom the ring but Gandalf says, in so many words, Tom would never comprehend its importance and he'd just lose it or something.

so he could solve the problem himself, but is too absent minded to do so

Tom can break 4th wall too. Thats probs why ring has no effect on him.

hes the deadpool of middle earth, then.

very mad guy It's more that he's so old and lived through so much, that the change doesn't really affect him. He's perfectly content taking care of his own turf and nothing more.

al112v5 Kabooooooooom!

LiamPhill Bagoooom!

+al112v5 In the opinion of some people.......

Lol my bad.

Sybille Stahl have you seen extended versions they are much more accurate and much better

Doesn't Bilbo call Gandalf an "interferey old busy body" for shooting off the fireworks and also Bilbo saying the fireworks scared him because he didn't expect them?

He also says "you cannot pass" in the film, if I recall correctly. He says it TWICE, and the second time he says "you shall not pass".

@@LordofFullmetal Which was also a mistake by Ian McKellan. In the script, it is just "you cannot pass" like in the book.

@@brooksboy78 Eighter way it's badass as hell

@@LordofFullmetal Correct, both film and novel have "You cannot pass" but then the film adds "YOU. SHALL NOT. PASSSSSS" for extra dramatic effect

“You shall not pass” sounds better

TheBass1310 Damn I'm still listening to two towers

TheBass1310 Extended or Theatrical?

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it was a long weekend

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Josiah Moreng You're correct.

You're mostly correct. It's Aragorn who says that everyone must be blindfolded instead.

Thank you!

How would Gimli see that they did that?

Aragorn suggested it.

No. It was better the way they did it. The short, abridged versions that felt like movies were realeased in theaters. The more lenghty ones, that add a lot of filler and break pacing are on Bluray for fans to enjoy.

I honestly think Return of the King is the only worthwhile extended edition to watch since most of its scenes tie up loose ends and actually have importance, the other two break the pacing for me and feel like filler

The scene with Sauruman should have been included.. arguably. Everything else has been trimmed well within reason imho.

The explaining of Aragorn on the way to helms deep was also cut out and was important. It was never mentioned, that Aragorn is like 90 years old. Before i red the books, i thought he was like 40 or so, thinking he just would have a long live thanks to his blood.

It is in the directors cut of The Two Towers, though :)

I am so glad they got rid of Tom Bombadil, He was a complete waste of time! TBF Fellowship of the Ring is not a great novel, it's so slow, half of it is useless extras that are completely unnecessary to the story and when it finally starts getting somewhere it ends. The film however is an absolute masterpiece! Two Towers was a much better book and the film for me was not quite to Fellowship's standard while Return of the King pretty much suffers the same problem in the movie that it does in the book - The ending is such an anti-climax {and the film has another problem too, it completely removes the Scouring of the Shire!}. Fellowship Book 6/10, Film 10/10 Two Towers Book 10/10, Film 9/10 Return of the King Book 5/10, Film 8/10 On the whole, I can't complain too much about the 3 films as they do everything else so well - It's just RotK's ending really can't be helped, I'm not gonna blame the film too heavily for something that was a major problem with the book. It's pretty annoying though that it was RotK that got all the awards that Hollywood had failed to give the superior films!

Francis Wright I agree with the Return of the King. Why would you remove the battle that actually ENDED the War of the Ring and I think Tolkien had made Book Six too boring. I mean, after the chapter Mount Doom I kinda zoned out until I reached the Scouring of the Shire.

Yeah, it's strange that the movie kept all the messing about and back and forth after Mt Doom but removed the scouring of the shire - WHY!?! But the biggest problem with RotK {Book and Movie but Book worse} is that the denouement at Mt Doom is just so Anti-climactic after a 2 and a 3rd book {what 1000 pages?} set-up and journey to this point! I've been told over and over again that Sword of Shannara is an LotR rip-off, Sword of Shannara is what LotR SHOULD HAVE BEEN! Sword of Shannara is better in literally every way! And I'm so glad that almost 30 years ago at the age of 12 years old and in WH Smith's in Bowness on Windermere looking for the Silmarillion I was given the amazing advice by another customer to buy this instead! Oh and if you want to see an atrocious adaptation you only have to look for MTV's travesty that was The Shannara Chronicles season 1 {I can't believe they're actually making a season 2 but there's no chance of me watching it because it has absolutely b'gger all to do with the Books!}!

Francis Wright the ending rotk was already seemed never ending after 3 hrs of film, adding that chapter would be stupid. that chapter is removed in every adaptation as every producer wanted to give a happy straight forward ending.

Plus I suppose it made sense not to do it seeing as how in the Extended Edition Saruman died in Isengard. Yeah, Jackson had probably made it like that so Saruman couldn't go conquering the Shire. Clever move, Peter.

Joe King there’s more inconsistencies between directions and the map in two towers. The Uruks turn north east to go to Isengard when they are traveling from Amen Hen which is north east of Isengard. Also, Tree Beard tells Mary and Pipin that he’ll take them to the western edge of the forest to go south to their home. The western edge of the forest is on the edge of the Misty mountains, and the shire is a good bit north of Fangorn anyway.

@@sokandueler9578 yes fangorn reached the Misty mountains, however he also says that the hobbits must go north to the shire afterwards.

I think Saruman actually secretly desired the ring for himself but tried to disguise it by joining with Sauron. He asked the Uruk-hai to bring the ring-bearer “unspoiled” to him at Isengard. He wasn’t just going to get it and then say, “Ok Sauron. Like I promised, here it is.”

And Fredegar Bolgar, who honestly would have deserved at least a short name drop.

Eemrod I love Bill! He went through so much with the Fellowship. So far that's the bravest pony I know.

Bill the Pony did travel with them in the movie as well, just was less of a bigger deal in the movie.

The Millennial Geek all together he was still there. I wish he could have stayed for the whole trilogy

Eemrod the GREATEST character in anything ever

movies are able to elicit more feeling than any other form of art

Fr

Lol, now I'm just hearing this in a southern accent. "Y'alls goin' to Rivendaail?"

And in two towers “Ay-o-meir”

Also, it's kind of weird to let someone with no knowledge about that part of the world at all decide where they should go.

Actually, Frodo does say something along the lines of: 'Why don't we all rest now, and we'll decide later' when asked about it

he says that about whether to go to Minas Tirith or to Mordor. In the Book they are not sure of what route to take, in the movie its clear that they will ALL go strait to Mordor. In the Book Aragorn plans to pick Sam, Gimili and himself to go Mordor while Boromir, Legolas and the Hobbits go to Minas Tirith. This is why Frodo goes off by himself in Fellowship, to decide what course to take.

He actually says it in both places. For Caradhras/Moria, Frodo asks them to wait until dawn to decide after the first assault failed, as Gandalf's arguments for Moria were not being helped by the darkness. Then, the Wargs attack, and the decision is made for them. Moria then only takes a day to get to. At Parth Galen, Frodo asks for an hour to decide his path (though as Sam got it, he knew his course, and only had to "screw himself up" to go East.) Then Boromir seeks him out, attacks him, recovers by virtue of being a clutz, and the Fellowship is broken)

A bigger change, is how Merry, Pippin and Gimli are generally portrayed. they are (at least in this film but also later) just there for comedic relief. Never do we in the movie know that Merry and Pippin are close friends of Frodo, and that Pippin helped Sam and Frodo move. Gimli as a dwarf is a noble, modest being that has a strong will and can work out for whole days. This is a trait that made him the only one being able to fight of the spell Gandalf put on them in the Forest of Fangorn and attack (though the axe just bounced off). Which during the running sequence at the start of The Two Towers when we see Gimli stop and start panting does not make any sense. And Legolas kinda seems to have a power upgrade in the movies. He never runs of out arrows and gets to do cool things like skating on a shield. I am not saying he is not cool in the books, but he seems kind of overpowered in a Mary Sue style in the films

cornishphilosopher Caradhras the Cruel

Or it might have been the Stone Giants mentioned in the Hobbit.

Caradhas is the cruel mountain, but it is likely not Saruman that is doing this as he has not seen them at this point. This is the point in the story where they cannot go the way Bilbo did, and turn away from that path.

there is also mewntion of fell voices on the wind (which are supposed to be sauraman spell.)

'cornish', you are absolutely right. Gandalf believes that it is "a contrivance of the enemy", but how could they possibly know either way.

the Balrog pauses at the loud, brash sound of the horn but it doesn't represent Gondor being powerful, it announces Boromir and Aragorn arriving. This is a beast that destroyed Gondolin and fought alongside Sauron's master- a mere horn won't scare it.

@@IinferusS lmao. True true

LMAO, Balrog is a fucking Maia. He doesn't fear no man's horn. And Merry is not smart in books. He's smarter than Pippin but still irresponsible compared to Sam and Frodo.

aurë entuluva! if you know, you know

When a book gets a litteral cult folllowing, it's bound to be ferociously defended by Ayatollahs... "YOU ARE NOT ADAPTING EVERY SINGLE LINE AND WORD IN THE CORRECT ORDER! YOU SHALL BURN AT THE STAKE, HERETIC!!!"

+sakor88 Thanks for replying respectfully. I would say it's not a strawman as this comment was not referring to you or anybody with a similar opinion to yourself. My comments reflect the community who dislike the films of Lord of the Rings for the mere fact they left a lot of aspects out. The films run three hours and keeps the narrative of the book trilogy tight. If it was a television series, this could have been fixed. But as films these are closest to what an adaptation of The Lord of the Rings should be structured as (even if it wasn't done to many people's liking). Of course I have a lot of irks with some aspects of the film trilogy myself (ghost army, eagles, etc.), but as film adaptations go this was the closest thing to what I could personally hope for.

"Battle of Hornburg was not unnecessarily long" In my opinion, definitely not. Watch Nerdwriter's new video as he explains precisely why I and so many others think the Battle of Hornburg was brilliantly handled. "The problem is in huge alteration of central characters." I didn't mind some of the alterations. I felt Legolas' dry wit and Gimli's goofy demeanor were necessary changes that helped contrast them and make them memorable on screen. It's easy for Tolkien to give pages of information to help us distinguish these characters, but the films didn't have this huge advantage. Other changes I personally liked was Faramir's selfish behavior in The Two Towers film as it helped his character grow into a better man by the ending. It was a necessary arc that helped keep the story flowing within the film. "and even downplaying some central themes of the book" Yes, the films had to decrease many aspects of the books. The world building, expository dialogue, conceptualization, and characters. What I always appreciated was how Peter Jackson could deduce the complex structuring into a single flowing story with most of the major plot threads intact. I don't think it was perfect, but I was impressed with how he managed to keep much of the major plots from the books. I understand that Tolkien wasn't really a plot driven writer. He was always interested in big ideas and conceptualizing the world and characters of Middle Earth. But I honestly never felt Peter Jackson undermined Tolkien's themes just because he reduced them. He implemented Tolkien's ideas ONLY if it adhered to the narrative that he was trying to adapt.

Under no circumstances throughout the movie has the Ring been used against Sauron. It's only ever been a hindrance for Frodo and Sam, and an advantage for Sauron. The Ring has always been an ultimate power for Sauron, but an evil that corrupted anybody else who possessed it.

Honestly, outside the medium of Tolkien's books, this would have been way too convoluted especially for a film to explain. But the central theme wasn't even lost. The Ring corrupts the minds of good men in the film trilogy also, but they didn't need the Ring to make them powerful. It was quite simple. The Ring can corrupt even the best of men. That's all that was needed to be said to understand this central theme. Sauron's one fear in the film trilogy was that the Ring could be destroyed which would mean his own death and the loss of his powers. This one motive was comprehensible enough to understand why he was motivated. He didn't need another motive or fear to drive him.

He made the story have more urgency and tension. Honestly an upgrade.

@@filmaticpictures9693 - if you like urgency and tension.

That's awesome! That's what writing/art is all about. Fantastical escape. Glad you made it out.

You picked an amazing world to live in then :), hope you are doing good now Debbie, take care!

Looooooolllll

@@andrejristic4956 yea I'm OK that was back in 87 so I grew up and I havnt seen her for years since my dad passed

@@Daniel-ri2dy what is so funny?? Im talking books not films.. This happened back in 87 before films.. What you do to a child lasts forever never goes away abuse... I sat and read it was my escape I fail to see how child abuse is so funny

no thats not true. only Boromir was going home, Aragorn was going to go to war for Gondor but whether he was going to be king or not was not said. Gimli and Legolas were definalty not going home since they both lived North East of Rivendell and were heading away from home.

Boromir's case is even more convoluted. If you read the books closely you will find that first Faramir had the prophetic dreams about having to go to Rivendell in search of answers, and later Boromir got them, too. But Boromir, being the more headstrong, forceful, and warlike butted in and pressured his father to let him go instead of Faramir, who was more scholarly. This becomes a problem later in the books, as Boromir, being more forceful and less careful, always sought a means to defend Gondor first, then worry about the consequences later. While Faramir sees the whole picture and knows that using the One Ring would only result in catastrophic changes. This is to show how easily humans are swayed by the One Ring if their intent is more on war, than doing the right thing.

They came for advice, went home to report, came back to Rivendell and Elrond chose them to be in the Company (never explicitly called the Fellowship of the Ring I think).

+Jan Uzzell Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb and answer before I check. I think the 'if.....then his arm has grown long' refers to Sauron. And someone answers, 'His arm has grown long.' But yes, Caradhras was called Cruel and had an evil name before.....I forget. Going to go and check it.

+Jan Uzzell Got it: I wonder if this is a contrivance of the Enemy,' said Boromir. They say in my land that he can govern the storms in the Mountains of Shadow that stand upon the borders of Mordor. He has strange powers and many allies.' 'His arm has grown long indeed,' said Gimli, 'if he can draw snow down from the North to trouble us here three hundred leagues away.' ''His arm has grown long,' said Gandalf. ...and on the next page: 'Caradhras was called the Cruel, and had an ill name,' said Gimli, 'long years ago, when rumour of Sauron had not been heard in these lands.'

In the books Caradhras is made to seem almost sentient, as if it chose not to allow them passage. It could just be that it was a part of Melkor's Ring, which would lend some possibility to Sauron being able to use it's powers.

Ahha! Thank you! This was why I wanted to check! I couldn't remember if they'd mentioned Saruman in that passage or Sauron! I was trying to find that passage but someone appears to have moved my copies of the Lord of the Rings .... sigh! A quest in itself - considering how many books we have! But it would still stand as a possible reason why they decided, in the film, to make Saurman the instigator for cinematic storytelling effect :)

"they did wonder at one point whether Saruman had cast the snow their way" No, SAURON. However it turned out to be the mountain itself.

Just scrolled through to see if someone else had pointed this out! Well done - nice to see someone who has read the books and remembers what is in them.

So much mispronunciation in this video

Dale Sajdak He says both in the book, but only says you shall not pass once. He repeats you can not pass several times.

shbsuri Oh I’m sorry. I haven’t read FoTR in a while.

Yes but in FOTR (movie), Merry and Pippin are little more than comic relief.

It’s kind of annoying how Merry and Pippin were dumbed down in the movies but it honestly makes their character arcs a lot more meaningful and powerful. The way those two run after Aragorn during the final battle outside Mordor before anyone else is genuinely the most underrated moment in the trilogy and truly shows how much these two characters have developed

Actually not Saruman but "The Enemy" and there are specific references to the Mountains Shadow bordering Mordor. Clearly they are talking about Sauron.

farts of doom The guy at the end admits that he's reading these differences for the first time, meaning he probs never read the books to begin with.

farts of doom well not everyone rereads books so maybe he is talking from memory.

@@David-gj9qr I usually would be inclined to agree with you. But the point of this video is to compare the book and the film, they should have an intimate knowledge with the source material if they're claiming to compare the two.

I doubt you will see this but didnt Saruman actually help the mountain fall before moriah? I swear I remember reading that there were voices in the wind.

David Baines you're not wrong, but then again not everyone makes RU-vid videos comparing the book and movie

Kerley Gaming! Yea

Wait, he wrote that Frodo had blonde hair? K I have _not_ paid attention

Frodo has BROWN hair like most of his kin. When Sam's daughter Eleanor is born she is very golden haired, something said to be a rarity. Frodo is not that adventurous like Bilbo was but had the same yearning to travel, and wanted to meet Gloin and the others. Gandalf is somewhat glad that when he was gone Frodo did not get fat and a bit lazy like Bilbo did.

@@SantomPh Oh thank god

@@SantomPh Frodo had "fair" hair compared to other hobbits. So not really blond but not dark haired either.

Hell to the no

​@@wildeskompositum9556Why, mate?

Who in their right minds would even compare them?

Jacob Elmes That’s a silly comparison 😛

Of course it is.

Lord Of The Rings came out in 2001.

It is better tho, endgame is forgettable, it's lots of fun tho. LOTR is just on another level

Actually it was Merry who asked the simple question.

MicWhiskey It makes Frodo, the central character of the film, a bigger player which is important for the narrative to work

For that matter, a lot of Gandalf's wisdom was given to other characters in the films.

exactly!

Zdenek Jaks no no no you marathon the theatricals then some time after watch the extended, it helps you better appreciate the extended editions

CommandoXProductions, you're right on all counts. PKD had particularly high praise for Rutger Hauer as Batty, describing him as "perfect, Aryan," not in the Nazi sense, but in the original sense. I have to agree. Hauer is no longer a young man, but even he says that he never has and never will ever exceed that role.

Hayden D. Ealy I refuse to watch the rest of Blade Runner because such a fantastic commentary on emotion and AI/organic was completely ignored. I'm glad PKD protested the movie if that's true; I'd be insulted if they did to my source material what they did to his.

Maybe. That means slogging through a movie with Harrison Ford, who, contrary to nerddom laws, I absolutely abhor.

Hayden D. Ealy the Lost in Translation guy has a good video on it.

The music makes me so happy but yet so sad yknow...

You say graphics like it's a video game. You mean "special effects"

You still alive?

so sorry and so glad this cheered you up.

*OOF*

@@semanticsalmon543 Wow you couldn't be a bigger piece of shit

@@semanticsalmon543 come on man

what is the difference then? don't moan and then leave.

I know this comment is literally two years old, but, well, I think it's also worth remembering that even though they're both just comic relief in the first movie, the pair of them really come into their own by The Two Towers and they get to have the coming of age/loss of innocence arc, which is done a lot more poignantly in the movies. Which just becomes a lot more gutting when you remember that in the book Pippin was the only one who wasn't of age yet. He was probably, what, 14 or 15 in human years?

There is a reason Merry and Pippin are very forgettable in the books and their development is not felt at all. They were always strong and remained strong. No change. Pippin was a bit better because he was a little funny. "Fool of a Took" is straight from the books. In Jackson'a films, they grew as characters, they *became* cool and strong.

@@tiaaaron3278 why the fuck are u defending the movies which are even though very faithful than other book to film adaptation still not as good in character development as the books each and every comment of yours is the bullshit that books are much worse than the movies

@@suryamgangwal8315 This person literally defends every single Peter Jackson choice whenever anyone criticizes the movies.

Dude, could you imagine? Getting to wander around a fully detailed and vibrant Middle-Earth, meeting key characters and partaking in huge battles. I would be so happy.

Making that game would take like 10 years lol

B T Wiseman The pacing in the theatrical is much better

@@fernandososa6507 True, but that is the only thing that is better.

With the Peter Jackson movies you aren't watching the LOTR, in any way at all. It is somewhat related to the books, but he absolutely massacred the intent and the meaning of the books by his whimsical adaptation.

@@RustyDust101 *But he absolutely massacred the intent of bla bla bla* People who knows about or how to differentiate both mediums (film and book) won't say something like this against FOTR, even Simon Tolkien himself (Tolkien's grandson) said that FOTR is a good adaptation. The Two Towers? I can understand. Return of the King? The Army of the Dead, the rest are okay at best.

@@andreekap6963 "I disagree with you therefore you don't know what you're talking about" is not a good look.

No it's not. The Extended Cut is only availible on BluRay, and while it's mostly superior (except for a few scenes in Two Towers) is much less widespread. The reruns on TV are all theatrical cut, no matter which country. SO unless yo buy a bluray, or pirate it or maybe watch it on Nerflix you're getting the shorter version

The extended trilogy came out on DVD at least a year after the theatrical version. A lot of ppl had already bought it.

DirtyMack It's not on Netflix, is it?

DirtyMack not true. the reruns of lord of the rings trilogy on tv in my country are the extended additions.

makes me wanna move to your country now xD

Honestly I found that one of the least problematic changes between book and film.

Yeah but the eye of Sauron was used as a rhetorical and symbolic device there. I actually like this change, it makes Sauron more mysterious and scary. It is the best way to portray him in the movie

@@tj-co9go you’ve got a point there

Merry and Pippen, unlike in the movie, were actually very brave, honorable, and loyal hobbits throughout the books.

In the movies when theyre on top of the mountains discussing how to proceed its Frodo who tells Gandalf to go the mines

It wasn’t really a riddle though. It’s more of a “lost in translation” thing. Instead of “speak, friend, and enter.” It should be translated, “ say ‘friend,’ and enter.” Gandalf didn’t understand that because it seemed too easy for the password to actually be there for all to see. He wasn’t taking into consideration that it was made in friendlier times, when elves and dwarves got along.