Loreframe: The Sacrifice 

I think it's a very good plot device to have Ballas so easily stabbable. THink about it - he's Orokin. He doesn't much care for his physical wellbeing because the Orokin used to swap bodies like clothes (what the Grineer Queen wants to do with your tenno for example) and he's the Orokin executor, so he's used to having power over people. Not to mention Umbra tried this once and failed already, because Umbra himself cannot harm his creator. The reason he could in the end was because Umbra's and the Operator's mind working in tandem make it possible to kill Ballas, whereas neither could do it on their own. The best point this quest makes is about the relationship between the frames and the operators - the Tenno are not some puppetmaster, carelessly abusing a once sentient body, but they, like their Warframes are hurt, tortured people. They're children with incredible power turned into soldiers by the Orokin. That's kinda very traumatic, perhaps on par with the trauma the Warframes themselves went through due to their transformation. This is a story about two broken people forging a healthy bond of help and mutual support. And as someone who's undergone years of mental abuse and with a very fragile mental state, this story is very, very close to my heart and I love what DE did here.

Instead of purple lotus, we should have gotten Teshin to order us about.

Regarding Lotus/Natah and Hunhow paradox, I think there could be a simple explanation. In one of the flashbacks Ballas says "All miracles require sacrifice", OUT LOUD, mind you, not by telepathy. I think to him it meant bringing Margulis back in some capacity, something that, it seems, he could only do with Hunhow's help. That's how we ended up with Lotus. He even said that he planned his defection for many lifetimes, which probably means that he started thinking about it shortly after Margulis was executed, so he might have a hand in the creation of Lotus. It also appears that he blames Tenno for Margulis' death, and tried to use Hunhow to finally get rid of us (enemy of my enemy is my friend). Seems like in his grief over the years he has grown to despise or simply not care about Orokin, so he isn't loyal to anyone or anything, aside from his twisted love. And is willing to sacrifice anything to achieve his goals.

If you choose the Dark choice with Ballas, you say that "the cycle has been broken". Ballas then says, "I see what she sees in you". Then Natah comes down and scoops him up

"Styles extra breathing hole" that got me off guard!!!

Next prime: Excalibur prime PRIME

The quest blew my mind. Best quest in Warframe to date. I love how it delved into the relationship between Tenno and Warframe, that we give them peace of mind. I always knew that the frames (or at least the primes) were alive.

There isnt a paradox. Hunhow probably offered Ballas that somehow he can bring Margulis back if he just helps him destroy the rest of the Orokin. Ballas agreed, gave Hunhow all the information and then Hunhow began his plan to put Natah "in charge" of the Tenno.

After this quest and comparing the lore from Warframe quests, it seems all of the frames have an original that were made from people. Quests for those like Titania, harrow, and Inaros all implied that they were once people but suffered in the end. I'm sure in all of these cases they were transformed into warframes for their own sake. Could also mean that each frame's abilities and appearance are reminiscent of the host's personality. This could be the same for the stalker, maybe he was a dax that knew Excalibur umbra while he was still alive, and hates the tenno for controlling frames like him. Also I'm sure stalker himself is like umbra by having his own free will after transformation

This is literaly Neon Genesis Evangelion... kids who control synthetics with human DNA by some sort of "connection"

I just realized something a real mind shacker for Stalker might be if he encountered Umbra Prime face to face and find that he's a fellow Dax betrayed and tortured by the Orokin that might shack Stalker up a bit especially since he's a Dax that Stalker probably looked up to.

I heard something about Margulis, being in the helmet, Natah being in the body, and together they form the Lotus and that Natah was held captive due to this helmet being Margulis her thoughts. Ballas then freed her and so now she is the bad evil Natah. Could this all be true?

I want DE to release more content just so that I can watch more of your videos

Excalibur Umbra - The biggest reason I play warframe so bloody much.

So that's why the Operator talks like there's someone else there during missions.

I sort of thought that Margulis used or was forced to commit transference into Natah, either before or after the "jade light" execution, and that was why ballas decided to turn sides, either in a hostage scenario or by way of that being his deal with the Sentients. The whole calling out at the beginning of the quest drawing our attention, Natahs decision to help the tenno. It would all be more easily explained by this and be a much more convincing explanation as to why Natah decided to flip under the influence of Margulis or her memories.

Teshin knew. He always knew. Space Grandma is the threat from the outer terminus. The threat the conclave was designed to prepare us for.

I love what you pointed out with the Stalker! Excal Umbra was living in a cycle of the only memory he had, which was killing his own son, and it fueled his pain and rage. The Stalker’s codex is himself describing the memory of the Tenno slaughtering the Orokin Executives. He doesn’t seem to remember who he actually is, so it may be that he also is reliving that memory in a continuous cycle, fueling his anger and hatred toward the Tenno. I’m not sure how that would fit into the timeline, but I would love to see that developed within the story, even in puzzle pieces sprinkled into quests.

~Man in the wall~ ~Wall man~ *_w a l l - E_* ✔

I liked the quest but yeah listening to fake lotus for another 6m+ would suck, I expected we'd get lotus back or get a new guide like maybe teshin or ordis, this felt more like a side mission than a main quest, we're just left still chasing lotus same as before.

gurantee there will be an event heavily involving the "man in the wall" with him controlling your oberator with that quest you can only play umbra and go through to get your operator back. kinda obvious to be honest they are planning this with after harrow quest he is within your mind now and slowly he is messing with the operator mind. plus umbra being a warframe with its own mind when separated with the operator that quest will have umbra with the aid of ordis tracking down and free the operator from the man in the wall.

DAMN LOTUS IS THICC

2:58 ...and repeatedly dying if you don’t have a good amp. A lot. You pretty much just get one shotted because of stunlock.

3:25 don't forget Chroma

You're humor and delivery made me just subscribe to your channel. I will now watch all of your videos.

Iv'e never called him Wally, I know others do. I refer to him as my roommate. Whose only recurring feature is his lack of being around when it comes time to pay the rent.

I just want to say I love this guy and his lore videos, hilarious and educational!

5:30 Look next to Lotus hand

LMFAO...OMG dude I love the vids..has help tons learning bits I missed of the lore and funny as hell. Keep up the great work.......space...Nana!!!! Rofl

An interesting concept would be that the next few quests are us tracking down umbra frames who were also trapped on lua, each with their own stories to tell, for example, what if say loki umbra volunteered for the change into a frame in exchange for the guranteed safety of his famil, but he was betrayed

I knew this day would come. I prepared, changed myself. I made sacrifices! Tenno... are you ready for a *SACRIFICE?!*

Honestly this guy deserves so much more love and subscribes, I love your vids man. 1000000x better than most warframe you tubers

If frames we're actually unsespecting people that was infected with a controlled strain of the virus, then what does that make nidus? Just an infected dude with no armor?

What they meant by end of a trilogy is that in the second dream it is your warframe saving your operator and in the war with in it is your operator saving your warframe and in the sacrifice it is both your warframe and operator saving each other and working alongside each other

I'm of the opinion that the alliance between Ballas and Hunhow was a much more recent event, as in possibly just before the Second Dream. I think the reason for this is they struck a deal; Ballas gets Natah back for Hunhow, and Hunhow helps track down and destroy Umbra, possibly Hunhow's biggest threat, as Umbra is essentially a Warframe specialised in Sentient killing.

This quest brought a whole new meaning to the Loki head stalker throws on the ground in the second dream

Just reminded the Black/White Warframe Prime theory, the black ones could be the tortured and failed,infested, drones that the orokin wanted to make, perhaps the black ones were just a mistake that led them to SOMEHOW making a ,,better'' and usable White Primes to fight the Infestation, Helmith etc. Orokin's downfall was Infestation overall

I love this descriptions for things you give. They're funny af

I feel like were going to get something like the "Apostacy Prologue" later on this year to wrap up the, what I would like to call, "The Missing Lotus" Arc. Also, and this is just a theory on my end, I believe Lotus' Helmet might be an Ayatan Relic/Device containing the consciousness of Margulis/Lotus. Bit of a stretch, but it was confirmed that the sculptures and stars are basically memories of people/events. So there is a slight possibility for the helmet, with the help of some Orokin tech, to contain ALL the memories and the personality of the OG Space Mom.

thank you, I was waiting for your lore ;)

those of us who played darksector im sure are all not totally surprised at the revelation, this has been something they've wanted to bring into the lore for a while and that's the fact that the warframes had people inside them just like in the game dark sector.

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Its nice to have an excalibur prime as a story teller 😂😂

Finally after 2 weeks ( waiting for the quest to come to console) I can watch your vids on this

Umbra Excalibur: what the f don't touch the CHILD Tenno:space mom wh-what have they done to you Space mom or lotus:Nothing this is what I am

For the moon location coords problem, it is entirely possible that these were pre-recorded messages and were to be sent to hunhow, but for some reason (like discovering a dax tapping his comms), ballas didn't send them all.

I'd like to point out that we do have an all-seeing, time-traveling, fleshy tower sitting outside Cetus. My money is on The Unum being the "she," only character I know of that can foresee things.

These always make my day ! Entertaining and thought provoking, keep your great work up

very nice, very concise. I'm gonna have to share this treasure of lore explanation. thank you Xayl.

The paradox you mentioned may well not exist, as Ballus may have joined with the Sentients solely due to his resentment toward the Orokin that executed his beloved. Natah probably would have taken a different form during the old war, as Margulus just reappearing would bring up a lot of questions from everyone. Once everything was said and done, she took Margulus's form as a way to honor her sacrifice, and to cement herself as the mother of the Tenno.

First time watching your vids. You got nice sense of humour and vid was dope.

I think Stalker is the type who voluntarily become a warframe. And by becoming a warframe that should explain why i couldn't warn the guards seconds before the slaughter.

So... just rewatching this as you go throw it. Anyone notice the Sentaint that kills Umbra is actually Nata/Lotus?

My theory was that ballas had created and tested the original corruption, and umbra was the first test. But umbra was able to resist and basically became the first Tenno. Because all of the items you find, according to ordis were very very old and were never seen before in any other item. So my theory still stands that ballas created the corruption, that original corruption was somewhat lost until later where the corpus unleashed it all. Cause In the Natah quest it was mentioned that they found an old ancient weapon of some sorts and basically unleashed it and had it backfire

I think I can resolve the Second Dream plot hole...through the Second Dream. Ballas gave Hunhow all the information he needed to destroy the Tenno after they had destroyed the Orokin so Hunhow just had to wait until then. But the Lotus, who should have been the one to give up the Tenno, had become invested in them. So she pushed Lua into the void before the Sentients could destroy the Tenno.

6:10 ‘Tall, gray and HAND-some!’ No! *Smack* Bad!

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Always love your Loreframe vids. Keep it up!

Been hyped for this more that I was hyped for the sacrifice

Me who did all the quests and never got the man in the wall cutscene: Ah yes, I understand the funny

''Our outer colonies became lush gardens'' Now we know that the orokin grew their buildings. Did they do it the same way before the sentients came? There was something about the sentients turning the orokin ships agains them. So were they forced to search for new ways?

Stalker was actually a gaurdian who saw the tenno murder the emperors and so he swore revenge

I loved how umbra and the tenno United in peace and control in my playthrough

This was all the Lotus' plan to begin with. Lau must be necessary in the creation of Umbra/ Prime frames. Since she was a sentient she used us to retrieve Lau from the Void, as she couldn't enter.

I recon space mum still loves u y’know how ordis Suddenly change his voice and looks a lot more alienated on ur log yeah I recon the locus possessed him and tried to tell some thing to us

Umbra frames are likely the originals from which all others are copied/cloned. Primes are the "favored" frames that performed some notable function admirably. Akin to a Dax receiving Golden Armor. An award for service, and likely ironically awarded to most of the tenno who participated in the victory ceremony where they killed the Orokin themselves... Also I highly believe ALL frames have some reflection of their base personality. Their static animations and often quests portray this heavily. I believe the laughing Mirage does all the way to her death is indeed the frame itself, perhaps in a small way taking over the Operator. I myself play Nidus quite a bit, who often reaches out with his/its clawed hand in a zombie/infested-like manner before shaking his head to "snap" out of it. Octavia is ALWAYS moving. Baruk has issues with his/its emotions. Inaros likes to act like an ACTUAL mummy. Limbo's showmanship and the fact that the frame literally mathed itself into another dimension and eventually its own demise. The list goes on. In a way, I'd say all frames have a form of "ghost in the shell" deal going on for them. Umbra Excal, being an Umbra/Original was the REAL DEAL, and being a willful person in life held on to its most recent and haunting memory. I hope DE has some final thing that brings this "Mind, Body, Soul" bullshit together into something meaningful as opposed to the fractured bits of "the true power of the tenno" that we have now. Also, we are fucking space ninja warriors. If we DON'T achieve some state if "ultimate one-ness" of bringing it all together then we will have failed the meme entirely.

This is so awesome yet so hard to keep up with! I need captions!

My theory with the Warframes were that "Umbra" Warframes were the only ones that were actually people at one point. The Primes were artificially constructed from scans from the Umbras made with the sole purpose of tenno transference, allowing for more controllable "drones". The basic Warframes, in turn, are modern copies of the primes created via reverse engineering. In other words, Umbras are the originals, Primes are copies, and Basics are copies of copies. It helps to explain while Excalibur Prime is stronger than basic Excalibur, Excalibur Umbra is the only one to show any form of life without transference. EDIT: Grammatical and spelling errors

Traveling to another solar system would be really nice. I always thought that the starchart isn't big enough

So Umbras predate primes? According to ballas umbra were people who were infected with the hybrid virus, but retained sentience, but then went insane. They were supposedly all killed. So the tenno were used to control a new wave of frames, which would be the primes. Also the person who killed umbra I'm pretty sure was the lotus in that cutscene, it was just unknown at the time that that was what she looked like now.

After choosing squirm like a worm you are ballas says I'm just a stone and she 'lotus' is the hand. Telling that lotus played all the game behind the scene and ballas is just a pawn. Lotus killed umbra as she is the one wearing that sentient suit.

i think what that moment meant is a referance of the chains of harrow and it does show the link in the story as WE killed RELL

As Ballas tells Umbra his story over that board game, he mentions something about Umbra finding out about his treachery, and then follows it with "how could I turn against my own kind?" in a tone that seems like he's questioning Umbra's thinking and knows it's wrong. Like Big Daddy Baller planned it all anyway. And the way he sends Hunhow to Lua, the sentients seeming to not know what Tenno are cause Ballas has to explain it to him, seems more like he's acting like he's helping Hunhow, but is actually sending the entire sentient force to their deaths. Assuming past-Tenno knew how to work transference, an army of voidkids would have little trouble dispatching a large force of sentients drones, maybe putting a serious hole in Hunhow's army.

Maybe margules was baren and loved us so much was because she saw us as the children she couldn't have so when she died and lotus got her memories it kinda reminded her of the pain margules felt not being able to have kids just like her so that's when she starts to see the tenno as her children and now that I think ballus removed some or all her memories she reverted but to natah by unplugging because I think get this..... margules consciousness is in the lotus helmet so when he disconnected lotus from her helmet that disconnected the memories and she love she has for the tenno

THAT FEELING WHEN YOU REALLY WANT TO WATCH BUT THE SACRIFICE STILL HASN'T DROPPED ON XBOX

How do you only have 9k subs...your presentation is fantastic.

Oh snap, someone with an understanding of the quest that makes sense.

Glad for more lore videos! Love this one!!

The SUCCrifice left us with so many fucking questions. 5:56 Never knew our hot SpaceMommy had a SpaceMommy too. *Spacemom 2 cliche confirmed*

I think all frames are made of infested human, but only the Umbra had consciousness as the Orokin didnt have the Tenno so they needed to keep the mind for control. The later Warframes likely to have their mind wiped out empty for the Tenno, with the exception of a few like Valkyr, Rhino.

i hope that The New War is super spooky. Maybe a new threat to face in the Tau system if we go there

Could be the first video that made it make sense and with comedy.

To clear it up: your warframe breaking the hunhow sword in the seccond dream is not of its own accord. When your operator was removed from the reservoir, you had a temporary elevation of your void powers, thus the shooting lasers out of your hands before the war within bit. Whats happening later is your operator is barely able to control the warframe without direct contact due to a combination of the recent removal from the reservoir and the fact that your all up on adrenilan, and being choked to death. So your operator has partial control over your warframe and is able to move everything above the waist, to break the sword.

I legit just found your channel lol so I don’t know if you talked about this and we don’t really have a lot to go on about the man in the wall. But I also haven’t seen anyone else mention this, but did anyone notice how in TWW your character mentions your father saying something like, “we’re getting close kiddo” and TMITW also ends his sentences with kiddo. I’m not sure if that’s some sort of play on him getting in your mind or if he actually could have a connection to your father but I just found that interesting.

Well that's sums it up nicely good for you m8 congrats. Can't wait for the newest quest

1:34 this aged well

Only the Umbras were people turned into frames, when Ballas says they were failures, that's what he's referring to. The Umbras went crazy due to the Infestation, and they were hunted down and killed. All of this happened before the children of the Zariman were found. Once the Tenno were recovered, the Orokin wanted to kill them because their powers were a threat to them and couldn't be controlled. That's when Margulas steps up and says she will find a way to control their powers, by transferring their excess energy into an empty body, a Warframe. When we 1st see the memories of Excal Umbra, the Operator says that he saw a memory, and Ordis tells us that it's not possible because Warframes have no memories, they are just empty bodies made for the Operators to control. That's why Umbra can run around during transference and no other Frame can. Also, when our Frame breaks the War in Second Dream, that's just us controlling it to protect our fragile, mortal body.

Theres a pod in the infested part of the ship for a person to lay in

if you have seen the trailer to the new war quest then i bet that it is gonna answer some questions that we had in mind. or we.end up saving the lotus depending on our path or decision we make

The Open World Eres can totally be hosted by the Glast Gambit's introduced colony, the Myconians,

I personally think that the warframes - both 'normal' and Primes - are made of inert infested flesh. A body without a mind to operate it, if you will. That is why the tenno can easily control them - they simply command a body that is ready to accept the commands. However, in the case of Umbra; Ballas trapped his mind by transforming his body into that of a warframe (via the infestation) and the loss of control over his own body was Ballas' way of punishing him. His first order to his unwillingly subservient new creation being to kill his own son. My case for this would be that the infested bosses (Phorid, Jordas Golem etc) refer to the warframes as being of one flesh but different - implying that they cannot communicate with the infested biomass that forms the warframes. I personally think this is because the warframe has no 'mind' present in the body. (which would also explain what Alad V alluded to when he said he had dissected a warframe and what he saw didn't make sense. I always intepreted that to mean he didn't understand how they could function (no brain, perhaps?) as autonomous entities.) The absence of a mind means that there is nothing for the infestation to communicate with which is why they urge the warframe to 'assimilate' and 'be reborn' by reconnecting to the hivemind via consumption of 'non-inert' infestation. Lephantis specifically urges the warframe to 'consume us and be reborn'. We have also seen the tenno (operators) controlling machinery such as the Golden Maw - implying that transferrence can override basic functions or programming such as what would be needed to keep the biomass alive (nutrient intake and whatever). I suspect Ballas 'programmed' Umbra's new body to accept transferrence - meaning he was trapped inside a body and watching as his obeyed orders/programming. That would explain how Ballas can so easily restrain Umbra when he tries to kill him at the end of The Sacrifice - he gave a command which triggered a 'precept' (like what the Cephalons have) in Umbra's body. The existence of Umbra's consciousness within the warframe itself would also explain why the Umbra warframe reacts so violently to our attempts to control it - he has built up a tolerance or found a way to do his own thing without disobeying the 'precepts'. (E.g. a precept stating the need for continued survival could be used to justify circumventing a precept stating that Orokin cannot be harmed (for example by classifying them as rouge) but that could not be brought directly into conflict with a precept like 'you must obey all Orokin orders' which would likely outrank the precept stating the need for survival - hence Umbra could attack Ballas but when Ballas commanded him to stop he was forced to obey by the higher ranking precept) This would lead me to the conclusion that no other warframes possess a consciousness - the broken war incident during the second dream was the operator somehow accessing a greater extent of their transferrence powers in desperation. The codex entries of the Prime warframes can be explained as adverse reactions from the infested biomass (or human victim) before programming was implanted and their consciousness was removed/terminated/overrriden - which explains why they are no longer self aware. Anyway, that's my view on it - all feedback is welcome.

just want to mention the mother lotus is referring to may be hunhow...."but he's her father" i hear you say well we know that that natah is a fragment of hunhow and the sentient fragments refer to their source sentient as their mother as we see in some of the eidolon related stuff so...could be we finally are gonna get a face to face with hunhow and then proceed to get incinerated but who knows (also yes i am aware in the second dream quest lotus refers to hunhow as her father but for the sake of theorizing im gonna gloss over that) also i know alot of people are saying we might end up heading to tau and imo thats very possible and im inclined to agree accept for 2 reasons reason (A) ifcrossing the void the first time ruinined their wombs and in octavia's anthem hunhow needed to drain suda's energy to sustain a group of decaying sentients in the void how does natah plan to get back to tau as would most likely be what occurs as a catalyst to lead us to tau. and (B) what about hunhow it seems to me his plan was to clear a path for his brethren to return to the origin system (though with the part about protecting tau in the sacrifice maybe not) it seems unlikely he'd head to tau then and so saying that if he doesn't go i doubt natah would since she's his drone/daughter as a side note if we kill hunhow does natah and the other fragments die too? (assuming a mother sentient can be fully killed i mean the eidolon is still very much so alive even in its severely weakened state) but all this is just a theory a game...wait no a warframe theory no wait LOREframe theory

Nothing in this quest is more terrifying than a board game with Ballas.

6:03 where did you find that picture of The Mother? I tried to search for it but never found it. Or did you just use the head of some random sentient?

And then Tennocon came and three big boy updates were dropped onto our already blown minds.

I think it makes more sense that Lotos is our enemy. She has basically forced us to fight the most powerful factions currently in our system making every party involved weaker. Also through our adventures lotos has constantly tried to keep us week and vulnerable while trying to keep our faith in her as a leader.

Seems to me that the Primes were constructed from Orokins, the Umbras from Dax soldiers, and the regular warframes from tenno or regular humans. That would explain all the variations.

I think the voice you hear when going toward the mask is perhaps the spiritual form of Margulis her self.

My guess is that Warframe are just able-bodied human of similar skill that's been handpicked to be injected with corresponding Helminth mutating strain. The few special humans were given specific strain that would turn them into Prime Warframe, and be given to dedicated Tenno of old. Now, with the invention of Specters, we can bypass the first part and focus on making them into Warframes. Again that's just my guess.

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