Los Angeles firefighters oppose street modification measure  

That is how it works in NYC.

@@rb810810not really - most bike lanes here in NY are just painted.

I really like this idea. I hate how entitled drivers park in the bike lane though. It kind of kills the benefit.

Till they get stuck behind a bus that can't move out of the way because of the barricades, that will also trap the fire engines.

It doesn't always head in the same direction. Go on a ridealong, youll see it won't work at all.

@@troy.petersDo you think that firetrucks won't get trapped behind miles and miles of traffic and cars? Use your brain here

Bike lanes are stupid. Get em out

@@MikeGoesBadaBoomExplain it. Bikes are a very capable vehicle

All the time money over everything

Vote no on HLA

Where are the less cars coming in to your thinking. No one is going to ride a bike to commute 3-10 miles each day

@kippy101 Not no one. I do it everyday and I've gained quite a lot of muscles from it! No car payment, no gas, no maintenance, no insurance... I save 10s of thousands of dollars a year! Probably what the citizens of the US need, too, since we have the highest obesity rate of almost all countries in the world. We are definitely falling behind in a lot of ways in comparison to those in Europe, especially places like the Netherlands who have the best public transit and infrastructure.

@@MultiSkippy101 no one said “don’t drive. Bike everywhere”. Use the mode of transportation that works best. Short trip to the train station or grocery? Bike. Road trip? Drive. Simple.

@@MultiSkippy101 I don't think he has a commute or kids.

@@MultiSkippy101 If we had safe and robust bike infrastructure, 10 miles each day is easily doable, especially on an electric bike. 3 miles on a bike is easy.

@@Droogs Why? When there are traffic jams at all and highways are usually only lightly traveled? Maybe call the FD for a ride?

​@@Droogs nobody wants to ride a bike when they think they're gonna get murked by a car. Hence the desire for bike lånes. Which, incidentally, make things safer for pedestrian and especially disabled people. A lot of bike safe infrastructure leaves a lot of room for including this people so that they're not disadvantaged by cars. It's just a fact that bikes take up less space and less energy than cars, so if you can make bikes a viable option for people, you're also going to have less traffic, and therefore also less accidents. Increasing space for cars only somehow seems to increase the traffic, paradoxically. The only effective method to reduce traffic AND increase safety is to make roads that make people WANT to use alternative methods. Nobody wants to take a bus when they just get stuck behind cars. No one wants to take their bike if they're always getting screamed at by motorists, or they have to navigate random changes from protected lanes to sharrows. Everyone has to drive their kids to wherever they want to go because kids don't have access to a transportation method that promotes independence. Nobody can let their kids do it. Because it's not safe in it's current iteration. If we make bike lanes big enough for fire trucks, there's no reason to cite this issue. And roads that are too small for a large bike lane should not be for through traffic anyways, and should only be for neighborhood and emergency traffic. If it HAS to be a throughway, then a redesign that accommodates both emergency vehicles and pedestrians would be in order. For example, there's no reason some streets cannot become one way streets if it increases safety. We deserve safe roads for the next generation and the oldest generation.

and where are those park car will park?

@@comprayreventadestorageuni8618 In the white lines marked for parking. Do you not know much about modern bike lane design?

HAH! You must never drive down Sepulveda blvd in the valley. They have a bus only lane and when theres traffic people just use it as another lane. Cops dont care cause what are they going to do, ticket 50 vehicles everyday?

@@Josh-qv3zuwe can put up concrete barriers to fully separate it.

One more lane bro, it's gonna fix traffic.

Just look at the cars parked on the streets of neighborhoods at night. That's classy! $10mm dollar home with cars parked on the streets.

Exactly

Did u see a bus lane in that diagram

@@davidhays2846 but do you see a bus lane in the diagram? Not every road will have a bus lane for emergency vehicles to pass.

Till they get stuck behind a bus that can't move out of the way because of the barricades, that will also trap the fire engines.

@@troy.peters Bus Lanes don’t have barriers. And it’s still more efficient than gridlocked traffic like it is now

I feel like they get paid for no compassion doing absolutely nothing for the public community even though they claim to do I never seen them do much ever nothing

How about no bike lanes and no congestion creation

@@MikeGoesBadaBoom so all of those people they showed riding on bikes, it would be better if each of them had to drive a car? Sounds like more traffic, not less...

HOW?

His argument was a classic straw man, full of misinformation and an appeal to emotion.

The way the dude said "bike lane", you know they have disdain for anyone not in a car. This dude isn't well spoken, obviously nervous, and seemingly full of one-sided talking points that have plenty of counter-arguments.

Boise probadly would also say no. Bill

@@janetlewis7145fire fighters who have strong opinions about the city they serve should live in the city they serve.

That seems to be the plan to eventually get rid of cars.

Exactly!

We definitely need to get rid of as much street parking as possible. It is the worst use of public space. Getting rid of it is the best way to reduce traffic.

People are so brainwashed they actually believe this will speed up traffic we already HAVE IT so bad in traffic taking one car lane off for some schmucks who like to drive there bikes on Sundays is MAJOR NO TO ME

@@Droogs Yes we are. Speak for yourself don't' speak for me. I ride all the time but I'm limited where I can go because most roads are too dangerous. LA is the perfect city in the world for bike lanes. This should have been done long ago. With safe bike lanes away from major roads, less people drive, which means less traffic jams. All car drivers should love this.

Rich? You underestimate the number of working class Angelenos who drive cars.

@@Droogs "Angelenos aren't riding bikes" Do you go outside? "L.A. is an automobile city." No. It was built on the tram. "We should be focusing on ways to make using an automobile more efficient." Cars cannot be "efficient". They are to spacious and heavy.

@@Droogs "Stand on a corner of any major street intersection in L.A. (say, Wilshire & Westwood) " These places don't have any adequate bike infastructure. THey are large stroads that emphasize cars. This is a ridiculous argument. No one wants to bike next to a highway. "The car drivers will outnumber the bikers by at least 1,000 to 1." So? Cars are terrible vehicles. " Transportation in L.A. is clearly centered around the automobile. " Again, it used to be centered around the tram. LA used to have the greatest public transportation in the world. "And you want to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (which we don't have)" LAPD gets billions. Literally as much as the NORTH KOREAN MILITARY. " to accomnodate .01% of the population." Do you not realize that the only reason people use cars is because every other option is impractical. HLA would force LA to make biking and buses viable. How is this complicated for you?

@@Droogswhen the close streets for biking people ride a ton. no one rides because it's not safe. they ride bikes more in seattle which has more hills and colder weather

He sure did.

I agreed! Just want to add the river trails!

I used to live in Germany. Bike lanes over there are ELEVATED, so beyond the curb and level with the pedestrian walk; in many cases pedestrian walk is elevated an inch from the bike lane as well. I believe that is much safer than bike lanes on the same level with vehicular traffic. Of course the German model is much more expensive. The City of LA seems to have a good budget. So it is only a matter of choosing priorities.

Vote no. Voting yes is voting for more traffic and idiocy. Let me guess you’re going to vote for that failure Gascon too.

@@MikeGoesBadaBoom To late now

cars move over & bikes get out of the way. try it & find out.

@@raffyzoo2130 Not on a very narrow street. Where are they going to move over when there is only one lane of traffic each direction and no parking side available. Where are they going to move, on to the sidewalk ? And put pedestrians at risk. Thats not a plan at all! Would you like to be the front or rear driver on a hook and ladder truck and try that maneuver yourself?

Vote no to more traffic and useless bike lanes.

​@@MikeGoesBadaBoomyou're ironically just voting for more traffic lol

You clearly haven't thought about it for any amount of time

@@handsfortoothpicksyou clearly haven’t. Road diets when there’s no viable alternatives is a stupid concept. We don’t have enough public transit to replace car use. Our public transit is filled with homeless scum.

@@handsfortoothpicksindeed, the facts don't support their conclusion. they're scientifically proven wrong

Search up “induced demand” Then come back when you have been educated

Bicyclist are skinny as well, no double sitting.

why? u feel safe in your stupid little cave of a car?

​@@mrpogi23Do you feel safer on a gay little bike than in a car?

@@Narcissistic_opinionation "gay little bike" 1st. homphobia. 2nd. They're literaly doing more exercise than you. Stop being lazy then?

@handsfortoothpicks wow you're a little crybaby 😂😂😂

@@handsfortoothpicks shed some more tears for me

Ban bikes.

This is truly what we need a major change in Emergency services and community cities In The Almighty name of Jesus Amen🙏💪❤

I wonder if sinclair owns them

Expert on putting out fires, not so much on urban planning and infrastructure.

And Those ballots are very tricky when you vote no it really means yes 🤦‍♀️

@@New-bw4kz Like when that firefighter said building more bicycle infrastructure would make it more dangerous for bicyclists. What these "No" people are failing to mention is that Measure HLA doesn't add any new lanes of any kind. All it does is require the city to follow the laws on the books, which they have failed to do.

The cons of HLA? None.

@@handsfortoothpicks No room for cars to pull over for emergency vehicles is not a "con" to you?

@@Jeanne90275 compared to all of the room we currently have with traffic everywhere?

Completely forgetting that people will use bikes and busses

@@handsfortoothpicks Im forgetting?

@@JaredBowls Why? It is an awesome shortcut.

ride a bike.

​@@wesleyp3024they can't, toooooo dangerous.

Then add a train and bike lanes. People would use those to avoid traffic

Not really. Having a double tracked protected bike lane w/emergency crews coming through is the best solution

The point is getting to a critical mass of safe and efficient bike and pedestrian infrastructure, nobody is going to bike if there's only a protected lane on one street during their trip/commute. Once the network is more robust it'll be a viable option for many people.

I bet most of them are smarter than you, vote no, safety first.

The city is rethinking about those bike lanes in the middle of Valencia street. Businesses along that street are suffering

Yet Switzerland & Austria are Almost Covered by mountains yet they have better infrastructure than anywhere in California tho

"This isn't a flat tiny piece of crap European city. It's LA" lmfao

The Netherlands has Bike lane all over the County & Ifs bigger & Less dense than LA County

why? the firefighters need to do a test run with sirens and see the bikes move and the cars refuse to move.

@raffyzoo2130 lol not these bike riders.

Most people will only ride in the bike lanes if they are reasonably safe, which the current minimal ones aren't, as they often put people in the door zone of parked cars and with fast moving traffic directly beside them. there needs to be true protection, but that takes more space. And the bus will only broadly be an attractive option if it's not stuck in traffic, hence the need for bus lanes. Transit needs to be efficient for it to be a viable option for people. Sooner or later LA is going to need to make these changes anyway if there is to be any hope of safer streets and better mobility options. The status quo is not acceptable. Oh and also there is this climate crisis thing.

Like what you see in Santa Monica

& Make it safer for pedestrians

@@JermaniBurroughs Pedestrians are already safe with Side walks, Bikes were also safe as long as they followed the rules of the road. Keep right except when you trying to make a left turn. It called share the road. But some Bike people get right in the middle of the lane and will have 20 cars that can't go around them. Think to drive a bike on the road, you should be required a License for a bike, saying you know the rules of the road for a bike. Some Pedestrians are worse then bikers. They wear all black at night and expect drivers see them walking in the middle of the road. They usually do as they hit them and say, Where was they at?

@@fnusecurity5112 That’s why cars have lights & There building Protected bike lanes so bikes can be safe & The reason why that Bike might get into a car lane is because a bike lane would end & there’s possibly no sidewalks

instead of thousands of bikes in bike lanes imagine thousands more autos on the same road added to the huge number of autos already there.

You don't seem to know how induced demand works. If you don't support cyclists, that is stupid, car-centric, and a tyranny of the majority.

It's not very fiscally responsible to keep spending money on expensive roads when there are other cheaper, more efficient methods of transit available, rather than everyone needing a car to do anything in the city.

Broadly, the City of Los Angeles allows bicycles to ride on the sidewalk unless they are not acting with a “willful and wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property.” To translate: as long as you ride responsibly, you are allowed to be on the sidewalk.

Meanwhile The Netherlands & Norway had the Same Infrastructure that LA had Decades ago

@@JermaniBurroughs Wrong, there is no City in Norway or the Netherlands that is the same size as LA, and in both Norway and the Netherlands there are not the same number of cars that circulate through the city every day like it is in LA

@@juniorpaulo3494 The Netherlands is the same size of La County & The Netherlands has Bike Lanes all over the Country Add that with a robust Rail System That Circulates the Country & 50 years ago The Netherlands was just as Car-Minded like LA but They Improve We didn’t (for now)& let’s also not forget that the fact the Netherlands is Less Denser than LA & The Netherlands is almost twice the Population as LA.

Even the most used bike lanes typically look empty. It is because bicycles are way smaller than cars and bike lanes can handle a much bigger flow than vehicle lanes. A hundred bikes will flow through quickly and leave an empty lane. Twenty cars can cause a traffic jam. Try this; Next time you are sitting in traffic on a road with two lanes going in your direction, look around and count how many cars you see around you. It'll probably only be a couple dozen, maybe three if you have a tall SUV and can see over many. Cars just take up a lot of space. And they are loud.

You also need to consider network connectivity: if a bike lane isn’t truely being used, it might not be connected to other protected bike lanes due to the current patchwork of class 4 bike lanes in LA. Think of it this way: would you take the freeway if it was just a patchwork of short disconnected freeways? No.

Then it's a bad bike lane.

@@mathieufaltyswe don’t need more bike lanes. Traffic already sucks and nobody is ditching their cars quickly enough. No one HLA. Maybe when this city has a proper transit network that can alleviate the traffic on streets. Jamming the streets to a greater extent is no solution. Vote no.

@@MikeGoesBadaBoom Bike lanes are an integral part of a proper transit network. We cannot have a proper transit network until we build it. If traffic sucks too much for you (it should) then ditch your car. I did and can't imagine going back.

Imagine being mad at someone who doesn't want to be in a car all the time

@@handsfortoothpicksthey're mad because cyclists pass them while they're stuck in traffic and they want others to be miserable like them

then why do people complain when people ride bikes on the sidewalk?

Disable, Pedestrians come have priority.