Losing Faith When Your Child’s a Mormon Missionary: Julie and Jill Durrant | Ep. 1737 

I am so glad you did research for yourself.

That is why this podcast exists. Informed consent is EVERYTHING. Thank you for being vulnerable in sharing your experience because it is healing for others. Best of luck to you on your faith journey!

Not really. She’s sitting there speaking in that little girl voice like Michele Duggar. Lady, you are in a cult. Figure it out! Get out!

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@@barbwarth8751 what?

I hear you. I have moved away from a lot of Christian theology as well, finding a better path for me of secular spirituality, including Buddhism, which I see as the science of peace of mind. Stoicism also has helped me quite a bit to stand up and be accountable for my own thoughts and actions. This path has helped me to navigate through life including serious mental health issues in the family.

Church and State should have never and should not be mixed. When preachers started getting involved with a specific political party, started telling their flocks to give them money to make themselves rich, (prosperity grifters) and began telling them for whom they should vote, they stopped having time for the teachings of Jesus Christ. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church, and at 63 now, it seems the church started going strong into politics with the Reagan’s. And Nancy Reagan went to psychics and received tarot card readings. And now more churches promote Trump and cry about LGBTQ+ than Christian teachings. That leaves Jesus out completely because there’s nothing in the New Testament that mentions homosexuality. Now we have a Speaker who claims to be Moses and focuses on more on Jodi Hildebrandt type focus with his son than anything else. Just saying. I remember when being kind and helping each other was more important than attacking the most vulnerable in our community.

The walk With Jesus *_IS_* very narrow. You can't stray from the flock.

Amen 🙏🏻 I was raised Baptist but am sda now

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We all do.

Julie has no reason to leave .

Stay strong.

What an amazing story.. I would love to read more.

"He has a dark countenance, you can see the evil in his eyes" 😂😂😂

The spell that the Mormon Corporation uses to exploit those in need of mental peace is debilitating. That a missionary pays to extend the Mormon franchise is inconceivable. Let alone the tithing taxing those in need of salvation.

Did they ever found the bastard who did it?

@@daniellima2973 - yeah, his DNA was already in the system due to a previous rape investigation he was never tried for. They arrested him two weeks later. He was charged with capital murder which is death penalty in Texas. He was found guilty But due to one juror was a hold out on sentencing to death. She was adamant that no one can say with absolute certainty that Zoe did not voluntarily leave with him, which would not be aggravated kidnapping. Almost came to a hung jury but ultimately Zoe's family just wanted it to be over and accepted a murder one sentence of 35 to life. Doesn't seem a fitting sentence for what he did. The abduction was so random, if not for his DNA profile in the system, it would've likely been a cold case.

Miguel is a bully & a troll, I’m just now noticing. I’m blocking & suggest this to anyone else.

thank you for sharing.

Thank you for this. I agree with everything you wrote.

True that!

Her pain is so palpable. I hope in time she'll be able to claim the forgiveness that is our big brother, Jesus Christ, for her own. Blessings to you, Julie ❤️❤️

@@spyiispy absolutely. It’s not even what she says really but the pain in her eyes when she says that, it just wrecks me!

Why is this topic considered as a problem with the church and not a problem with our culture? Sexuality in the culture is incredibly damaging to our children, grooming them from such young ages. Social media now parents our children; kids just look up stuff on the media. Families will no longer be the domestic church and all churches that preach the truth will not be around in many years. This is very sad.

@@janehartman6871 it is both.

Same here ❤

The problem is, Christians are taught that it’s not enough to be an honest, kind and loving person. They make a huge point of it. You have to be a Christian or you’ll burn in hell. And these days, they also demand that you be a Republican Trump-worshiper. I’m really glad for you that your dad is better than that.

sending love❤❤❤

Don't give up on them. Send them the SEC letter maybe?

@@dobnerk I already tried showing them the problem with tscc. It left us with them more entrenched than ever and me suicidal.

@@Maryfs1 I'm so sorry to hear that and I empathize with you. I've had disconnection in my family, as well, and completely understand the sense of loneliness that comes from that loss. I'm hoping and praying you find people in your life who can fill that gap to some degree. This is why I'm almost obsessed with studying cults and high demand organizations. It's a huge issue that's not getting the attention it deserves. I wish you well!

I think they can learn something from you just living your life authentically, or at least that's what I hope for myself and my family. I just wish they could see the truth about this cult that has been hurting our family for generations and continues to do so.

@@malkiyahu Matthew 7:2

I hope she watches it too. Any luck yet?

I am so happy for you. It’s okay that you struggle but never allow that anyone to use that against you. I’m glad you found a happier place.

@@malkiyahu Wow. My God doesn't need money or a hierarchy. If your religion has a business model it's not about God, it's about human greed and desire for power. I believe in GOD, not religion.

Me to.💯

I pray this helps also. Evidence for Book of Mormon in ancient America- none Evidence showing Book of Mormon is a 19th century religious fiction below: No wheat, no barley, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no temples, no steel swords, no skeletons of these warriors, no graves, no cities (it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla to leave no trace), no cattle, no chariot parts, no Nephite coins (listed in book of Alma as being used for a thousand years), no Jewish relics from supposed jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly had, no artifacts whatsoever, no Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings; and no evidence the book of Mormon "prophets" ever existed. There is zero archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, or DNA evidence to support the Book of Mormon. It would be impossible for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) with millions of people to have vanished off the face of the earth. The whole face of the land had become covered with buildings” (Mormon 1:7) “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2) 38 cities are catalogued in the Book of Mormon, along with iron, steel, brass, metal swords, breast-plates, shields, armor, or chariots. Yet, not one item mentioned in the Book of Mormon has ever been discovered in America. The Book of Mormon speaks of sheep, swine, goats, wheat, barley, silk, and elephants-even though they weren’t brought to America until centuries later by Europeans in post-Columbian times. Again we see that Joseph Smith was thinking about things in his current day as he was fabricating the Book of Mormon. CAN WE TRUST OUR HEARTS as to book of Mormon since there is no evidence? Maroni chapter 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" But: THE BIBLE WARNS YOU about trusting your own heart. Jeremiah 17:9 "the heart is deceitful above all things". Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool." Please don't be a fool. The entire belief system and premise of Mormonism is based on a false claim the Bible was corrupted and "plain and precious parts" were removed by early Christian translators sometime after the apostles had all died. This is a very dangerous claim to make against the word of God, especially since God promised us his word would never pass away and would be with us forever (Isaiah 40:8; Psalms 100:5; Matthew 16:18, 24:35; 1 Peter 1:23-25). An Objective Test of the Bible and Book of Mormon The Claim: In the Book of Mormon, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was corrupted after the 12 apostles preached it and after the formation of the “great and abominable church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this to be the Catholic Church which was formed early in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the Devil to lead souls to hell (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine both the Bible and the Book of Mormon to be fair and test if any have errors. Bible: The earliest Dead Sea Scrolls have been historically dated by three different dating techniques to as early as 350 BC. Included in this discovery was the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known complete copy of the Book of Isaiah and is dated to approximately 200 BC. Study the dead sea scrolls which are over 2,000 years old and see if they have Joseph Smith's uncorrupted version. They should if Joseph Smith was correct and the bible had been corrupted over time but, no they do not. They are the same today as they were over 2,100 years ago with only minor spelling or punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. The bible had not been corrupted. “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make the claim that there were no gods before him, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of every member of the LDS church. The new testament has not been corrupted either. Take for example John 1:1 a very important verse than Smith changed to make Jesus a created being. A papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri which is almost 1900 years old of the book of John. (this papyri was written not long after the apostle John would have died and it shows joseph smith changed the book of John, not that it got corrupted later as he alleged) John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ I post this in love. The manuscript and archeological evidence for the bible is the greatest of anything in antiquity. I pray that you know the real Jesus, real peace, love and true salvation. "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1 One is a Jesus who is not eternal and was the spirit brother of lucifer in pre-existence & a God the Farther who was once a man - an exulted man. The other is the eternal Word, the Alpha and Omega- Jesus, by whom created all things, seen and unseen. And a God the Father who says the He alone is God, nor any god before, not any god after. There is no way for the Biblical account of Jesus to arrive at the account of the Book of Mormon. Mormons have been taught that the bible was corrupted. I hope to open eyes that God is much greater than the humanoid that you have been told about. He is the creator of all creation not just this solar system. Jesus said all scripture shall not fade away but many wolves and false prophets will come and try to add to the word. It pains my heart to see mormons fall for the lie that Satan first told Adam and Eve that we can be like the most high. Genesis 3 Joseph Smith sold the same lie. Another lie, a Temple like Solomon's Temple built in America does not exist. 100% impossibility as we would have some remains and there were no Levites in the Americas to serve in the temple so it would have been against Jewish law which book of mormon says were kept. If you study the bible you know this. Mormon's own the Hill Cumorah yet they do not excavate it because they know there is nothing there from previous digs. An excavation would be a grand embarrassment and would prove the religion is a lie. It did not happen. Look at Mormon Chapter 8 the evidence for it does not exist and evidence would exist if it happened. Why did Joseph Smith condone polygamy as an ordinance from God (Doctrine and Covenants 132) when the Book of Mormon had already condemned the practice (Jacob 1:15, 2:24)? Why did Brigham Young teach that Adam is “our Father and our God” when both the Bible and the Book of Mormon (Mormon 9:12) say that Adam is a creation of God (Journal of Discourses, Apr. 9, 1852, vol.1, p.50)? If Brigham Young was a true prophet, how come one of your later prophets overturned his declaration which stated that the black man could never hold the priesthood in the LDS Church until after the resurrection of all other races (Journal of Discourses, Dec. 12, 1854, 2:142-143)?

Real friends don't leave you.

Yea, I can understand where you are coming from. When leaving the church. I think at times it can be like a grieving process for instance leaving your friends behind.

You lost faith in LDS, but did you repent of being a sinner and ask the true Lord Jesus Christ to save you to the uttermost??? If not, you are not going to heaven. Bad news and good news.

@@duststorm2699 your comment seems to condemn you . Who are you to judge anyone ? Oh ya you are nobody . But then how you judge others is how you will be judged so guess you will be seen in hell yourself lol.

Going bananas… I grew up in the Mormon culture….my world revolved around it….when I left I had no friends…I was so sad…. My heart was broken

Its sad when the corruption of man alienates people from our Creator. Will pray for yall.

My parents were traumatized by Catholicism so I didn’t have to be 😅 my husband is ex Mormon. Our kids are toddlers but they will be free too.

@@Considerable_Ounce Do you know that agnostic doesn’t mean atheist?

Free of religion - AWESOME!! Closer to God/Yahweh - I sure hope so. Religion is man-made and most, if not all of them, are filled with false doctrine.

@@madisonrose1576 agnostic is believing that there might be a God. A "maybe" isnt a relationship.

100%

Brad Wilcox was in my ward when he was a teenager. He was very talented and a positive natural leader. I have watched him grow spiritually as an adult. I still highly admire him. He has a great, righteous spirit.

@@LucyLu-wj3vn To me the video of his fireside speaks for itself. No rumors or inuendo about BW necessary when you have the video.

​@Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez, you are wrong! He is her son, and she is his mother. Any religion that separates a family is no religion !

@@malkiyahu Be a good boy and keep quiet.

So nice you may appreciate their story profoundlly.

I hope love and solidarity of family love rises above all things up to and including religion. The hypocrisy of a corporation that “serves God” to separate families not because there is abuse or crimes happening but because they chose a different path is heart shattering for all believers. You’ve got this!

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You do not have to choose the church of your child?? If you do then that is on you no one else or the church . That is on you . Many members have. Gay children . So what . They do big disown them . dTodd Christopher brother is gay . They still love and include him .

@@lindamartinez7006 I think the bigger question Linda is where does the LGBTQ community or members fit in with the church. Do they feel like they belong or accepted.

@@ExploreXplore394 if your child is gay so what Doctrine is not changing . But yes they are still loved . This lady does not understand how many members have this exact same heartache with their children . They do not cut their children off or the church . God makes his own ways . His own plans of salvation and exaltation which I feel is a perfect just plan . All will be happy in the end and comfortable to what degree they want and enjoy . I have children with some of these Beth same problems . So do many many people . Levi’s sons tired to kill him even and never believed their prophet father . So what . They also tried to kill their own brother also a prophet . This lady says she lived so righteously and was promised perfect children . That is a lie . She needs to study up on prophets themselves families . Jacob had mostly bad sons except for two . How does that make the church wrong . Many missionaries come home and leave . Elder David Bednar talks on that and gives the reason why . She also should go study the sower parable and the different kinds of ground and how they reacted to the seeds . Meaning same messages but all had different hearts . All receive a way better portion then here still . Maybe some do not understand that parable .

I'm Exmo and you don't need to keep the delusions of an invisible man in the sky and supposed half mortal man who came from a supposed "virgin" birth! Origins of purity culture stem from the paternal religions if the past couple of thousand years. Please allow yourself the space to question all religious beliefs through logic.❤

That's part of the social bubble members live in, TBMs or not. It is easier to follow the path than use rational thinking.

I feel your pain. Teaching seminary tests anyone's faith.

@@malkiyahu Scott is smarter than you are.

But did you find the truth in your Bible? Just leaving something is not enough. You don't seem to have the true joy of being a born again Christian. Have you replaced the false teaching with sound doctrine? Thanks

So Susan, are you still a "robot" and "slave" to the Mormon Cult Church or not today??

Did you stay out or go home?

My title would be this: When your child's a mormon missionary and you don't tell him his grandmother died until a year later when he gets home.

​@@thelastgoonie6555wow.

@@Revbone450 I completed my entire 18-month mission. I found out about my parents leaving a year into the mission. That was almost 2 years ago when I found out about my parents leaving.

@@delight743 Have you now left too?

Thanks for listening

❤It is one of the best!

You were a good mother. Their choices are no longer your responsibility. You do need to trust the true Jesus of the Bible, who is much different from the Mormon Jesus. Read the books of John and Romans in your King James Bible.

@@malkiyahu It is called "common sense", Miguel. There is no need for Brent to pray/enquire about it because God give us a BRAIN TO USE instead of praying/enquire to a Mormon God who is racists! Brent used his BRAIN to determine what is right and wrong...DUHHH!

Marine, I thought the same thing.

@@malkiyahu When it comes to losing your faith in the Mormon Cult Church, it is always amazing because one has broken the brainwashing of the Mormon Cult Religion. That is something you can't say about yourself there Miguel, huh???

@@malkiyahu I am grateful for your observations and I am making critical changes motivated by your compelling arguments. Keep up the good work!

That's sad. 🫂

Does that make you question the church?( that it wouldn’t let you go to your own daughter’s wedding). If not, why not?

I am so sorry. That is the danger of Bishop roulette. I’m in Connecticut. I’ll keep an eye out for your daughter. ❤

@@juliebrooke6099 the bishop helped escort me out of the church (mentally). I attend once in a while with my wife and am still living all the 'standards' of the church more as a way of honoring my wives beliefs. When I allowed myself to consider the question 'what if it's not true?' it just unwrapped the confusion in my mind about the church. I recently attended ward conference and without premeditation could not show my support by raising my hand to anyone being sustained that day. I also couldn't summon the courage to vote opposed.There were friends sitting behind me that noticed my non-vote who gave me just a worried vibe about seeing me not vote either way.

@@jennieloomis1252 She has been transferred now. I feel she has helped some people who have some struggles in life and for them the church will help until it doesn't. I know the believing members of my immediate family think I've lost my way. My youngest child had checked out before me and though we don't talk about the church much we have respect for each other and an ease in our relationship that is such a bonus in my life. The one getting the least amount of preaching about Christian values is showing me the most compassion and acceptance.

Good for you! We are not alone.

I find it ironic how so many people who've left the Mormon church can't leave the Mormon church alone.

@@cindywoodbury385 True. I find it may be due to the culture attached to the church. if family, friends and co-workers are still in, it is hard to fully leave. Utah would be an example where in some cities there are chapels every few blocks. There are universities tied to the church and public figures are members. People like Dehlin make a decent living on the LDS or ex-mormon industry. Others find it a traumatic experience. This was not so much the church but individual members that made things difficult. Greg Matsen of Cwic Media said it may more indicative of a culture where individual narratives are valued along with group identity. The Ex-Mo community is just one example.

@@cindywoodbury385 I think it would be ironic for ex-Mormons to stop talking about their church experience because that is the opposite of what you would expect. People need time to process their emotions, if it takes a lifetime that is ok. People are entitled to examine and share significant aspects of their life. Cultural heritage is part of a person's lived experience, even if they have processed the emotional trauma it's still their right to share their stories. Humans share their stories it's natural and to be expected. An ex-Mormon sharing their stories does not mean they can't leave the church alone, it is in most cases an unrelated action.

​@@cindywoodbury385 You could just say you lack empathy. "I just can't understand why people can't just walk away from everything they were taught for their entire life, a place where they still have friends and family.”

​@@malkiyahu That's a pretty gross sentiment. "I don't care about my wife and kids, they're replaceable.” Que feo.