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Lost Norwich - Dereham Road 

John Atkins Lost Norwich
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A walk on the road west out of the city - and a request for help with a couple of mysteries.

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@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
I've been asked by picture norfolk to point out that the photos relating to Ladbrookes Dairy are credited to The Museum of Norwich at the Bridewell.
@Arhats_Corner
@Arhats_Corner 8 месяцев назад
Always wondered what used to be on that vacant lot, now I know! thanks!
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich 8 месяцев назад
You're welcome!
@Polysixchick
@Polysixchick Год назад
5:11 looks like a posh wash house, if it has some sort of fireplace or chimney in it, it was prob a wash house. It's a lovely building, I live off Nelson Street so this was an awesome video xx
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you, that's a great comment, very helpful.
@adrianrutterford762
@adrianrutterford762 Год назад
Thank you for another wonderful video.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks Adrian, glad you continue to enjoy them.
@mancroft
@mancroft Год назад
Very interesting as usual, John. Thank you.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks for your comment 👍
@The_Brit_Girls
@The_Brit_Girls Год назад
This was so enjoyable and interesting to watch. I loved the story about the Norwich City footballer cutting the grass for his teammate next door! I was surprised by how rural it looked beyond what is now the ring road. Those mysteries you mentioned were intriguing. Will you let us all know what you find out, please?
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you. Yes I will post any explanation on here in a week or so.
@lukewolsey
@lukewolsey Год назад
I just had horrible flashbacks to my times in Dodger's!
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Oh, sorry about that! But an explanation might be interesting.....🤔
@borleyboo5613
@borleyboo5613 Год назад
Earlham Road cemetery is a lovely place and I’ve had many, many walks through there. Even a couple at night when I’ve had to climb over the gate at the Earlham Road entrance. 😃 It’s a tall gate as well. Fascinating to see the history of my adopted city and places I now know very well. 👍😃
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you. I wonder where the cemetery could make an interesting video. I'll give it some thoughts - though I won't be filming it at night!
@JohnandCaraRetiredTravellers
John thank you for another beautiful and informative tour! Great job! ~Cara 😊
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you Cara. It was a long walk!
@julianwalters5135
@julianwalters5135 Год назад
Keep them coming brilliant video
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks very much!
@IDreamOfGaming
@IDreamOfGaming Год назад
Another fantastic video.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks very much!
@dmsnch
@dmsnch 11 месяцев назад
The building shown at the end is “Dereham Head Post Office”. (Look at the H and Es in “Dereham”.) Someone from Dereham May be able to place it precisely.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich 11 месяцев назад
thank you, you're right!
@davegoldsmith4020
@davegoldsmith4020 Год назад
Another interesting Video John, my son worked in the old Regal cinema when it was a bar before becoming the bowling ally, as recently as about ten years ago it still had a few rows of cinema seat upstairs above the entrance. Several years ago my late mother in law lived in the area, one night returning from the city walking past the provision stores into Goldsmith street we found a guy lying in the middle of the road, paralytic drunk, we dragged him to the pavement and rang the police, they would not believe us when they asked our surname 'Goldsmith"
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Nice one Dave!
@Curryking32000
@Curryking32000 Год назад
I can remember the Regal cinema building used to be a Wetherspoons a few years ago called the City Gates.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks - I knew it was a pub, I didn't know it was a Wetherspoons.
@MultiAndrew1971
@MultiAndrew1971 Год назад
Never went in. Spent many a night in the reindeer over the road though.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@MultiAndrew1971 I remember The Reideer being very small, very packed and very smoky!
@TessyinAustralia
@TessyinAustralia Год назад
This video is really interesting. Nice presentation
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks very much👍
@MrSofakinggreat
@MrSofakinggreat Год назад
The Earl of Leicester pub, (as were many locations around norwich) featured in an episode of Tales of the Unexpected. A couple leave the pub, and go into a park, actually the grounds of the nearby Julian hospital.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks for this. So many episodes were filmed around the city it can make fascinating viewing.
@jackblue4078
@jackblue4078 Год назад
Actually it was the cemetery then Waterloo Park
@dayziecakes
@dayziecakes Год назад
Great video as always John. The garden building is fascinating. My first thought was Victorian because of the rounded arches but they seem almost too flat at the top. And the door / window tops have more of a Tudor shape but I don't think the building is that old, so maybe they're a retro fit... It's certainly got my interest, please do update us if anyone is able to help! An architectural historian perhaps?
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks Daisy. I suspect the building is the same age as the house, so possibly late Victorian. Yes it's very intriguing! Too big for the normal outside loo.
@traceybedford4332
@traceybedford4332 Год назад
Great video again John, could I be cheeky could you do a vidro on Heigham Street as would love to see howw that looked years ago.xx
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Hi Tracey, I will certainly do that, but it won't be until the early part of next year, I'm afraid. In the meantime, parts of this video include some shots from around the area of Heigham Street. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wLtr7t690ZY.html
@simplycm
@simplycm Год назад
Another interesting Video John
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you!
@jokennedy2943
@jokennedy2943 Год назад
That little garden building looks very interesting. Studded door etc. Great video as always.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
It's fascinating. It's relatively large size makes it difficult to know what it might have been.
@jokennedy2943
@jokennedy2943 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Nothing on any old maps of the area?
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@jokennedy2943 the building does show, but with no clue as to what it was.
@jokennedy2943
@jokennedy2943 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Fascinating! I love things like this.
@williamhogarth1292
@williamhogarth1292 Год назад
The Dereham Road Post Office is the old Post Office that stood on the market place in East Dereham. Unfortunately demolished in the late 1960s. It is now a Subway, Betting shop and barbers.
@williamhogarth1292
@williamhogarth1292 Год назад
From an old postcard I’ve found it could read Dereham Head Post Office this would concur with a earlier comment.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks very much for adding those details. Much appreciated. Yes, it's not "Road", but "Head".
@grahamgooda4712
@grahamgooda4712 Год назад
John, thanks for another lovely video. I've watched and enjoyed them all. I'm after some help/advice regarding my home in Norwich but obviously don't want to post personal details. It's an old place, possibly an old coach house. I can't find much about its history except that it was around before the time Hellesdon hospital was built. Can you point me in the right direction please. Any help appreciated Graham
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
I can suggest you look on george.plunkett.co.uk and picture.norfolk.gov.uk. Either might give you relevant pictures, or if you want to send me a personal message via Facebook (there is now a Lost Norwich page) we could perhaps go into more detail.
@geoffpoole483
@geoffpoole483 Год назад
Have you tried the local records office? It's likely to have information on that sort of thing. Good luck!
@TV_BANDITS
@TV_BANDITS Год назад
Very nice John 👍 you little editor you!
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks Kris, who'd have thought it, eh?
@ic66
@ic66 4 месяца назад
My mum used the Victory pub in the mid-1980s. I think the landlord was called Eric?
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich 4 месяца назад
Not Eric, according to the Norwich Pub Index website.
@ic66
@ic66 4 месяца назад
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich I'll have to ask my mum to see if she can remember!
@kanarykev
@kanarykev Год назад
Lived on Barn Road as a youngster and used to catch the 81 bus to the Earl Of Leicester,remember it being 2d per trip ! Regarding Dereham Road post office there was a sub office at 152 Dereham Road which was on the corner of Alexandra Road,I remember Alan and Doris who ran the Provision Stores and it was a lovely little pub.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks Kev. Other comments suggest that the post office was in Dereham, and the wording reads Dereham Head Post Office.
@kanarykev
@kanarykev Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich you’re welcome John,this was my neck of the woods as I went to Nelson Street infant school and then on to Wensum View,remember the dairy too.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@kanarykev thanks, it's great when viewers can relate to the area I'm covering!
@victormuckleston
@victormuckleston 10 месяцев назад
@@kanarykev living on helena rd, i went to Nelson Street infant school and then on to Wensum View 1967~1974
@alexdawson1450
@alexdawson1450 Год назад
Looks like the PO could read "Dereham Head Post Office" to me, which would agree with other comments that it was in (East) Dereham. "The Provision Stores" carried on through the 00's (I vaguely recall visiting) and possibly into the 2010's as simply "The Stores" before finally closing.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Ah, Dereham Head Office - yes I see what you mean, thank you. And thanks for the additional info about the pub.
@dogwoodtube
@dogwoodtube Год назад
Very interesting
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you.
@jackblue4078
@jackblue4078 Год назад
We used to live on Exeter Street in the 60s. I remember Ladbrokes milkman delivery at our house. Also in the 70s i worked in Micks foam shop. Happy days
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks for your comment! You might also like this video which includes historic shots of Exeter Street and the surrounding area.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YYeWv7F1ENI.html
@richardnorman1158
@richardnorman1158 Год назад
dereham road ring round looked so lovely in the 20s what a great video do u have any of colman road by any chance
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you. I haven't yet done one on Colman Road, but will add it to my list!
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
In the meantime you might like this video where Colman Road features briefly. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zsdkwkBkN10.html
@richardnorman1158
@richardnorman1158 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich oh my goodness look at those photos these are awesome thank u so much 😊
@guy2726
@guy2726 Год назад
Nice video! Suggest that the voiceover needs mention the date of "today" up front (for the benefit of future viewers). Enjoyed! PS in the 1980's I used to go around taking photos of Norwich pubs (and got a few comissions too)... those of any interest? Forget how many, perhaps 20 or 30. No Earl of Leicester tho. Suspect that the pub was demolished without planning permission & council said "put it back" hence that plot on stop forever.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks very much! It's funny, I was just looking at an old map for another purpose, and was struck by how many pubs the city once had. If you'd be willing to let me use your old photos, I'd love to have the opportunity. It's a good idea to mention the date up front. I've got several videos already done for fortnightly release, but beyond those, I'll certainly do that.
@susanwestern6434
@susanwestern6434 Год назад
I remember the Earl of Leicester. I went to a pub quiz a couple of days before it shut permanently. It was very sudden and unexpected. There was some talk about getting it being listed, it was demolished before that happened....... Local talk was that someone to do with Norwich City Football Club management wanted to develop the site. The pub was lovely inside. Great shame.
@mmafia1
@mmafia1 Год назад
The Dereham road post office was in Dereham (East Dereham) itself, not Norwich. Built 1892 closed and replaced in 1964.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Ah, thank you. I've had it suggested it might have been on Waddington Street in Norwich just off Dereham Road, but the details you have given look definitive!
@mmafia1
@mmafia1 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich No problem. Not sure if I can send links on this but if you google “old East Dereham Post Office” and have a look on the images you’ll see it there!
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@mmafia1 thank you, I've found it
@dmsnch
@dmsnch 11 месяцев назад
Yes. Dereham Head Post Office. (Not “Road”)
@stevecampbell9686
@stevecampbell9686 Год назад
Very interesting John and much nicer without the background music! 😊 Thank you
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you! It's also much easy for me not to have to find music!
@LiftManAmer
@LiftManAmer Год назад
Great video John! The former Artful Dodger pub is currently used as a mosque
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks for adding that detail 👍
@richardarmed4847
@richardarmed4847 9 месяцев назад
The Artful Dodger was so named after Roger Aspland, a used car salesman who I bought a few cars from. He bought the pub in the early 90's and turned it into a karaoke pub which was always rammed even on week nights. I think his business still exists.
@LiftManAmer
@LiftManAmer 9 месяцев назад
@@richardarmed4847 Im positive that its now being used as a mosque
@richardarmed4847
@richardarmed4847 9 месяцев назад
@@LiftManAmer I haven't lived in Norwich for several years, I'm sure you're right!
@303cerebral
@303cerebral Год назад
At 5 minutes I wonder if there is any more information (names, date of opening/closing) on what looks like a pub with the sign outside? I am assuming it was demolished to make way for the ring road. As usual a very interesting video, thanks!
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks - I should have made it clear in my commentry - it was, and still is, a pub. It's called The Gatehouse.
@simonrichardson2586
@simonrichardson2586 Год назад
Gatehouse still as John says but a different building. Most of the Ring Road built in the 1930s
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@simonrichardson2586 thanks very much, that's helpful.
@303cerebral
@303cerebral Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Thanks! I did wonder, but it is hard to get a reference point with it being the only building in the photo! I imagined it might have been on the corner of Sweet Briar and Dereham Road roundabout.
@303cerebral
@303cerebral Год назад
@@simonrichardson2586 Thanks Simon! Yes, it is a different building, it didn't look like The Gatehouse today - I never knew that pub went that far back in history!
@simongee8928
@simongee8928 Год назад
When the more recent Earl of Leicester pub was demolished, there was a rumour flying about that the site had been 'acquired' by a property developer. That nothing has happened makes one wonder.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Yes it remains a large vacant site. Who knows what the future holds....
@melancholy5131
@melancholy5131 Год назад
I'm pretty sure they demolished it without permission or demolished it when told no and done it anyway. As a result I'm sure the council banned them from building on it.
@kevintracey4644
@kevintracey4644 Год назад
Really interesting video as always. I wish I could help with your mysteries but sadly I can’t. I’d love to know the answers though!
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks Kevin. I'll collate any answers I get and put them in the comments in a couple of weeks.
@geoffpoole483
@geoffpoole483 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich This is a wild guess (and very probably wrong) but the building in the garden looks like a tiny chapel.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@geoffpoole483 thanks for the suggestion! However, I believe some other properties in the area have something similar.
@geoffpoole483
@geoffpoole483 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich The plot thickens! About the dairy; this morning I was cycling along Gloucester Street and spotted a house with a very similar frontage to the one you mention in the video. On the corner of Gloucester Street and Unthank Road is a large and rather ornate building. It might have been a pub at one time.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@geoffpoole483 surprisingly my historic pub map doesn't cover that area so I'm unable to confirm if it was a pub.
@geoffpoole483
@geoffpoole483 Год назад
About the houses rented by Norwich City footballers; until 1961 there was a maximum (yes, maximum) wage for footballers. I think the majority of people rented their homes in the 1950s. It was common for football clubs to own houses and rent them out to players. I don't that happens these days.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Oddly enough, near me, there are a couple of flats that have been rented to NCFC players, but they've both been on loan. I suspect once they get any degree of permanence, they get a luxury pad somewhere!
@theoloyla
@theoloyla Год назад
My parents lived in lodgings with a Mrs Stone in Dereham Road in 1948/9 when they were first married and dad was demobbed. He worked for Fletchers Printers before joining the Eastern Daily Press as a compositor. They were recruited by Dr Calvin Wells and moved to The Mount, Rosary Road where he had a surgery and I was born in 1950 before moving to 75 Thorpe Rd where his new surgery was located. My mum was his receptionist/caretaker/cleaner etc. Next to Rainthorpes Stationers pictured in your video was a butchers shop on the corner of the next road and I remember we used to go there to buy our meat even though it was far from Thorpe Hamlet as my parents knew them from having lived in Dereham Road. Cant remember the name of the shop though
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Great comment, thank you, and you might find someone reading this can answer your question and add it here.
@martinthirkettle599
@martinthirkettle599 Год назад
I know my family had a butchers shop somewhere on Dereham Road but I haven’t a clue where it was. We also had shops on Magdalen Street and St Stephens Street - when they closed I don’t know but I believe it was sometime probably in the 1950s.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@martinthirkettle599 Kelly's Directory of 1900 (a bit early) had Legrice Butchers at no 2 Dereham Road...but that would have been the first building.
@martinthirkettle599
@martinthirkettle599 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich It might have been St Benedicts rather than Dereham Road - there’s an EDP reference to it being damaged in the Baedeker air raids in 1942 in WWII.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@martinthirkettle599 let's discuss!
@melancholy5131
@melancholy5131 Год назад
Great video John. You're not a distant relative of mine are you? Family on my mums side are all Atkins.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Ooh, I have no idea! PM me your details and we can see. I have a family tree to the 1800s.
@melancholy5131
@melancholy5131 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich ill do it in Facebook it'll be easier. 😊
@victormuckleston
@victormuckleston 10 месяцев назад
monuments news agent, were we bought our sweets, got fags for my dad and my first job delivering news papers, also had a side job of keeping the trade bikes in working order. Living on helena rd we had the cemetery at the end of the garden. the dial pub was my dads local, played cribage every friday night, we got to stay up late when our parents went to the pub and watch what we wanted on tv.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for adding all those memories.
@chrishannon6011
@chrishannon6011 Год назад
Me and my father delivered milk to the dairy in the 60s.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Brilliant, thanks 👍
@kanarykev
@kanarykev Год назад
Hi John the answers to theoloyla and Martin Thirkettles queries are hopefully in the replies section.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thank you 👍
@pmcfarlane7660
@pmcfarlane7660 Год назад
Really interesting video.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
Thanks 👍
@pmcfarlane7660
@pmcfarlane7660 Год назад
@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Thank you for posting it, John. As we know Norwich is indeed 'a fine city', and its history is fascinating. I really enjoyed watching your video.
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Год назад
@@pmcfarlane7660 thank you for commenting - it is definitely a fine city, but we must never take that for granted!
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