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On 9th February 1933, Oxford Union members voted 275 to 153 in favour of the motion 'This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and Country', a result met with outrage from the political establishment. Sir Winston Churchill described the vote as an 'abject, squalid, shameless, avowel', citing it as a reason for Adolf Hitler's later brinkmanship. Ninety years to the day after this motion was first put to the House, would this house still not fight for its sovereign and kingdom?
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Комментарии : 53   
@paulmatters2641
@paulmatters2641 Год назад
The point is that For King and Country is an ideological justification for imperialist wars.
@xyzzyx101xyz9
@xyzzyx101xyz9 Год назад
Well argued and succinct.
@TheAmerican1963
@TheAmerican1963 Год назад
Yes, defense cuts ....... but a camera on every corner street of England ............
@grassypants4450
@grassypants4450 Год назад
British military intervention in Northern Ireland did work. It forced the paramilitaries to the negotiation table.
@paullygate2942
@paullygate2942 Год назад
Aye so it did British forces supported the uda and uvf with arms and logistics
@stevesandford1437
@stevesandford1437 Год назад
Excellent young speaker with a clear, succint and well-presented argument. (Union President Charlie Makintosh please take note...) xx SF
@natmeyy7590
@natmeyy7590 Год назад
We are constantly being told that we should be proud of Britain ,Bow down to the unelected monarch and their family ,give our money to them in what's being framed as a democracy. I have an idea let people choose what they do with their taxes ,let's have an opt in opt out option and let's redistribute the unelected monarchys wealth back to the nation ,and allow them the opportunity of employment like everybody else.
@sovkhan4359
@sovkhan4359 Год назад
And look what people do when millions of people simultaneously have free control, they want foreign “refugees” and illegal immigrants to enter the country on dinghies so we can give them the best quality housing and cars so our own children will have nothing by the time they grow up; they will struggle to get their own housing and they will struggle to find jobs because they will rather have a foreigner do it for them for cheaper. Those people make me sick to the stomach.
@WSmith_1984
@WSmith_1984 Год назад
I second this....
@HenryLeslieGraham
@HenryLeslieGraham Год назад
communism????? when has that ever ever ever worked???????????? delusional
@natmeyy7590
@natmeyy7590 Год назад
@@HenryLeslieGraham democracy! When has that ever worked? Brainwashed!
@HenryLeslieGraham
@HenryLeslieGraham Год назад
@@natmeyy7590 are you for real???? seriously wtf is wrong with you????? gulag archipelago means nothing to you? holodomor? great leap forward? killing fields? or do you not live in the real world where wealth distribution cannot ever work
@jsade6800
@jsade6800 Год назад
Well done , young man
@MichaelHolloway
@MichaelHolloway Год назад
he argues for imperialism, but the right to choose which imperial adventure is the best one to fight. sad but not new.
@Loundsify
@Loundsify Год назад
He never says that. He argues that if territories are attacked we should be able to defend ourselves and having the tools and funding to do so is important. The main argument is diplomacy should always be the first option and basically to never escalate to full scale war.
@atticlight9048
@atticlight9048 6 месяцев назад
A very impressive speech.
@why-fi926
@why-fi926 Год назад
@WSmith_1984
@WSmith_1984 Год назад
Be careful who you trust, never trust the government, even your own teeth bite your tongue now and then..... The we people win this was is by not showing up to fight it for those who wouldn't be willing nor capable of doing the same...... Peace, power and freedom to all.
@nannyplum0194
@nannyplum0194 Год назад
And for that Blair was knighted instead of being tried for war crimes
@Johndonald-cz1gl
@Johndonald-cz1gl Год назад
great speech, Louis.
@matthewo2261
@matthewo2261 Год назад
Soldiers say they fight for country, while mercenaries fight for money, only one of these two is truly aware of what they're doing, both are merely pawns.
@sayantanigupta2131
@sayantanigupta2131 Год назад
Well argued and decisive. Kudos
@zacboyles1396
@zacboyles1396 Год назад
“King AND country” It doesn’t matter if your country is invaded, it doesn’t matter if you have a gun in hand fighting off the invading forces, why oh why would you consider that as fighting for some ‘divine’ monarchy? You could say never fight for “king and country” while also support fighting to defend your country. These students sound intelligent in some ways while in others they seem to lack basic logic.
@hermitpermit2553
@hermitpermit2553 Год назад
All of these arguments against assume that you always have a choice. The wars we must fight are the ones that reach our shores or limit our freedom whether we have chosen to fight them or not
@nickward230
@nickward230 Год назад
He literally acknowledged that as a just reason for fighting a war.
@davidcoleman2796
@davidcoleman2796 Год назад
No more . Now we have this new king . It's time to stop all this .
@Llowdar
@Llowdar Год назад
The point of the speaker is correct looked by his point of view, but I think he's misunderstanding the proposition. "You should fight for king and country" demands to question if we (even if I don't leave in UK) have a common superordinate set of values to be united in. It's an expansion of the concept "whould you fight for your kids and family?", the answer is yes. After assessed that we can debate on the circumstances. Edit: typos
@The_New_IKB
@The_New_IKB Год назад
I would argue that failure of Afghanistan and Iraq are both related to the Americans being in charge of how the states were set up afterwards!
@chidiizunwanne
@chidiizunwanne Год назад
How could you make a case for ending military interventions, and increasing the military budget in the same argument? I really hope you evolve from neoliberalism, but I fear for our future.
@naynay1139
@naynay1139 Год назад
What’s happening now in western societies, people are now afraid to be anti war. It’s the scariest time to be alive
@zacboyles1396
@zacboyles1396 Год назад
I too was taken aback, although in a way it was fitting in a speech that acknowledged untrustworthy politicians lying a country into wars but then seemingly had unquestioning support of Ukraine as if the same revelations won’t come out about that in 20 years - aside from what’s already come out or hell, what’s long been understood about the place.
@Loundsify
@Loundsify Год назад
I think it's more that if we have the tools to defend ourselves, diplomacy will work as our enemies would think twice than to invade or attack us.
@agreeneish
@agreeneish Год назад
Yeah you’d fight for your right to party ..
@robertwatson9940
@robertwatson9940 Год назад
Long live King Charles.We have to fight Russians if you are called up.
@samuelturner1668
@samuelturner1668 Год назад
How can this guy just make up his own exceptions? Fighting for other countries isn't part of the motion. The motion here is about fighting for your own country.
@The_New_IKB
@The_New_IKB Год назад
I have more trust in the King than in any elected politicians!
@f.u.c.kfrance2023
@f.u.c.kfrance2023 Год назад
Nice talk
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