Tobias Ellwood MP: We SHOULD Fight for King and Country - 4/6 | Oxford Union 

Another puppet

George Galloway wiped the floor with this charlatan

Unimpressed

A great prime minister will not come from that room. A great prime minister will come from the working class. From those who live in the real world. Not a Labour government we need.a complete change.

Slimy

I notice that George did not simply read a pre prepared text.

rubbish talk

Ellwood will fight till the last drop of Ukrainian blood.....what a pratt

Galloway destroyed this man

All the generals, Royals, super rich and all parliament should start ironing their military uniforms and medals 🏅 and go to Ukraine, the people won’t be fighting for you

🗣️ Send this guy to the front lines!

George Galloway DESTROYED them.

What a terrible uninspiring speech.

How about if all politicians and they sons and daughters will go to fight for they king and country to show to the public how much they care and love even to die for they king and country !!

Elwood is apparently according to most who ‘know’ him say he’s a “nice chap”; the in essence he’s right, but he’s talking of intervention, which is antithetical to actually fighting for one’s own country; further the “interventions” in Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Syria, Libya, etc were for regime change to suit the average politicians pocket; none of these countries were a direct threat to us; Russia isn’t a direct threat to us now, the issues they have, like those countries I just mentioned, are THEIRS to sort out, they are simply nothing to do with the west! We need to take heed of what President Eisenhower said in his farewell address to the nation, about “influence so ought or unsought” by the “military industrial complex”; this is all happening now; there was a time where I’d have fought for this King, for the Queen who preceded him, and this country; not any more, nor my sons, because of todays breed of self-seeking politicians who want to involve us in country-sized money-laundering schemes like Ukraine…

Don't ever fight for anyone who wouldn't fight for you.

When I invade it’s okay, but when someone else does it, “fight for king and country” even if it doesn’t involve your homeland. 😂😂😂

How about let the king go out and fight for his people's like they did in the old days instead of the other way round

Dear Oxford students. By "we" they mean "you" not "them".

Oh dear, the valour stolen for the insignia of his 77 Brigade from a true hero Orde Wingate and his Chindits. The very worst of slippery politico.

We should NEVER fight for anyone! We should seek truth and justice, and fight to spread this across the world!

Booooo

Prior to his political career, Ellwood served in the Royal Green Jackets and reached the rank of captain. He transferred to the Army Reserve and has gone on to reach the rank of lieutenant colonel in the psyop '77th Brigade'.

The one’s who vote for it should be the first to go to demonstrate their belief in their ideology. It’s easy to vote for policy that does not and will not directly effect them🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

George Galloway destroyed him.

We need to fight our own invaders not go abroad to fight.

Great speech Tobias. But as usual with politicians, you just don't get the point. Fighting for King & Country should mean fighting for the people of this great country not because the miss guided Politicians took their eye of the ball. So now ordinary people have to back up mistakes made by incompetent politicians - leaders. Now we have a war in Ukraine. A war the west could have stopped by simply listening to the stage. Not just America. Instead, Boris tried to save his PM ship by going to Ukraine saying UK will back This Ukraine war. Nobody asked the people of the UK? If they had politicians would have stuck to the MINSK agreement instead of using it to train Ukraine's Azov Nasi group. Not my words but the BBC. the very people that issue out the west propaganda. NO FIGHTING FOR KING & COUNTRY IS NOT FIGHTING BECAUSE THE KING OR POLITICIANS SAY SO. Its because we have a just war to fight for. UKRAINE IS NO SUCH WAR.

His opening softening of the audience puts me in mind of the day that David Cameron (then Prime Minister) addressed the crew of the Ark Royal expressing his gratitude and pride in the young men and women fighting (if required) for the very freedom of their country……and shortly thereafter he scrapped the ship and cast the crew and their families to one side…. Beware people like Tobias Elwood

From my learnt lived experience, they don't look after their service personnel. They don't take responsibility for their own agency when things go wrong, so why should anyone sacrifice themselves for people who don't really care, for a system that doesn't support you. Short of the land itself being attacked and one having to defend the country, I would avoid these people like the plague.

Off you go then.

bla bla bla history started in 2001 bla bla bla (eyes rolling)

What a fud!

Eviscerated by George.

Warmonger

Yes, we were wrong in Afghanistan to think those people were ready for democracy - yet people like this guy and other politicians insisted that we bring Afghanistanis to the UK, a democratic country and very different to Afghanistan culture!

Respect to Tobias Ellwood for his service. However, clearly stating that the Afghanistan Intervention 'was wrong' in attempting to impose Western values on that country and that this was a mistake by politicians and THEN expecting, asking, demanding that young soldiers should NONETHELESS risk their lives and possibly die in such disastrous and ill thought out causes is a nonsense. (Any student of history, indeed anybody with half a brain, knew that Western military involvement in Afghanistan was destined to fail... Even Alexander The Great never conquered Afghanistan...) Great Britain has historically fought SEVEN wars in Afghanistan and lost in all of them...YET this speaker suggests that soldiers, brave serving men and women, should WITHOUT QUESTION lay down their lives for an impossible and ill-thought-through political idea? (No modern GENERAL thought that the West might 'triumph' in the Afghanistan. NOR WERE THEY PERMITTED TO SAY SO PUBLICLY!!!!) Given the subsequent and ignominious withdrawal, would ANYBODY say that the common soldiery were 'duty bound' to fight that unwinnable war? Do the mothers of the fallen think their children died for 'King and Country'??? And if so, was that sacrifice worth it? Afghanistan was no threat to 'King and Country'... Afghanistan under the Taliban maintains an embassy in London. (With full diplomatic priviliges...) Relations with the new Taliban state are 'cordial'... Almost 500 UK servicemen and women lost their lives in the most recent (2001-2014) Afghanistan war. Hundreds more were horribly maimed. THOUSANDS MORE continue to suffer physically and mentally from the aftermath of that conflict... For 'King and Country'???? No. Simply no. xx SF

Fail.

A win certainly....but using tactics that left a bad taste in the mouth. I would have hoped students at Oxford would have seen through this. At least he showed-up though, unlike his colleague who clearly lacked the bottle for this debate in the end.

Elmore Fudge choked big time. he looks like prince andrew on crack. as usual, great job Sir. George Galloway.

We mustn't let our guard down; we live in a volatile, uncertain world.

Tobias 'Odious' Ellwood

if you ever wondered whether we live in a meritocracy....

so a Ukraine War will be another policing action, he says. He is walking blind and smiling into 210* million dead. (* --- conventional weapons only --- estimated increase in killing power of 3X over WWII (very conservative; includes the fact of artillery power increases; accuracy increase + amazing stand-off accuracy; digital communications were made to be applied to combined operations)

If one applies the arguments of Tobias to their natural conclusions, you could argue we should actually be fighting with Russia against the naxi threat posed by ukranian nationalism. Just a thought...

Underwhelmed… and fancy admitting you went to Loughborough!

Which democracy does he talking about? Serving your little red dragon of king? Come on! Wake up folks! Free Julian Assange and stop demagogy, that's the only battle you have to fight to keep your liberty.

Lots of empty slogan !🙄

He's just talking foreign politics and not about "fighting for king and country". It lacks sincere passion and conviction like Galloways speech.

that's twice the opposition threatened to have put in jail one of the For side. Not cricket, and is fascist; a sign of the times.

Great Prime Ministers never want the job, they come to the job at time of need, Churchill was one of them, he was actually very unpopular at times, he was known as warmonger, and my nan commented once of his attitude towards The Great Smog, but he had the steel and grit that Brits needed during his first and second term partly because the options like today are limited to numpties and do gooders.

Give it 20 years and this speech will go in the bin with all the other pro war speeches throughout history.

Always failing at understanding other's nations cultures. western culture is not really based on wellfare but on capitalism

U fkn do it pal

WW2 another pointless occurrence.

terrible.

Another word smith spouting off. Its only the young who fight, like you would have done when you were a young British Soldier. you weave such words together now your on safe ground. Get us real veterans recognised! then I will listen to you and may even agree with you.

George spoke frm feeling and knowledge, this dude had to read his notes. lifelss not engaging delivery. like slime off a dirty wall

Uninspiring. Unimpressive. Unimaginative. Underwhelming. We witnessed a reading rather than a persuasive speech. Would you fight for this man's pride?

I enjoyed Galloway s contribution, however, having stood in a trench during enemy bombardment, I can attest that Richard Shirreff nails this debate.

Great speech.