They had a crash in the Alpha series that had holes. It was called a Swiss Crash. I use one regularly. They have since moved that to the PSTX range. They sound awesome.
I was a sound tech for a church band that played at camps and retreats and stuff and the day they brought these low volume cymbals with their kit, I immediately loved them. No feedback issues on lead vocals, no overpowering the room with them, it was great. At first I thought they were super weird compared to usual cymbals but instantly found out why small stage bands and A1s like using them.
@@paramourcat I wish our churches had bands with drums and stuff! Unfortunately the churches around here are Christian and any kind of rock or pop music is a sin, so no bands for me haha 🌈
I imagine they're probably really good for that low volume drumming that goes along with smooth bar jazz, a suuper soft ride symbal just sounds so good
I use these often, they’re great and really warm but bad for that funky sound, they make a thicker stainless steal version that is the perfect mix of soft and hard imo
Wade touched on something super important for any musician - being able to hear the sound you want to produce in your head. The better and clearer you can imagine the note you want to sing/play, the better it'll come out - if you've put the practice and trust your technique.
The trust is very important, but lots of people will trust wrong. Trust in your ability to achieve it, never that you are good enough (sounds counter intuitive, but perfection is impossible and trying to achieve it is a sisyphean task)
@@vandread Good point, rings true from my experience as a guitarist. Plenty of people who don't think they can play a song (usually one that sounds more complex than it is) because they think they're not good enough, but who also don't practice anything beyond the point of being able to do it once. I think a lot of people are pretty anxious at the prospect of actually analysing the bad points of their own technique regardless of craft/instrument, the really great artists are people who've practiced their instrument to a truly impressive degree and who can analyse their weak points and work to compensate for them. Its hard work learning an instrument, a lot of people think that great players making it look easy means it should be easy. Most people I've practiced or had music lessons with don't understand that practicing something AFTER you've got the basic idea down pat is just as if not more important than rote copying.
This works for cooking too... If you know where you want to go. And know what to mix. And how certain spices blend together. You get there. It's so weird.
Came across a cover of a song that used these cymbals. The guy was in like a typical NY apartment so i was shocked to see him actually playing. Apparently they also make low noise kits and everything. Super cool actually.
Yeah I just purchased some evans db ones because I live in a condo and they're super quiet, mixed with the Ls I can play without annoying my neighbours too much. It still makes noise so you have to be a bit careful about when you play and/or use some soundproofing but all in all, they're amazing if you aren't able to play a normal loud kit and don't want to use electrics
They're pretty great for practice in general, the lower volume of the cymbals kinda helps pick out good or bad details in your playing of the actual drums. Added to the fact they don't irritate the neighbours as much they're a great idea for beginners. Probably still need decent earplugs though, might just be the ones I have but they're certainly loud enough to a c t i v a t e t h e t i n n i t u s
Honestly, I know you said these sounded bad, but when you did the demo with them I just kinda fell in love with the sound. Having a quiet cymbal REALLY emphasized the drum hits in a way that I've never heard before. If I ever get back into drumming I might have to save up for a pack of those.
I'm the drummer and sound tech for my church and I love these. I really had to hold back to not overpower the other musicians and the room in general. With these and some Remo Silent Stroke I can focus on just playing without worrying about being too loud. And it certainly beats being trapped behind one of those plexiglass screens 😄
these cymbals came in clutch practicing in my quintet in a pretty small rehearsal space. Also sounded pretty cool when layered on top of normal cymbals
These actually aren't really bad for my trypophobia. It usually only gets set off by non-uniform sets of holes, in terms of both spacing and size. All these are very organised/patterened, so they don't trigger it at all really.
I have very mild trypophobia so I've never really looked into what triggers it or not but this makes a lot of sense to me since these also don't trigger it.
I loved working with these when I was teaching music. All the replication of technique and feeling, but way less cacophony from rooms on top of each other. These mitigate the overwhelm of "there's 4 drum lessons going on right next to each other" A LOT. I adore them. They're great.
Over here in the US we have these potato chips called Munchos. They’re known for being THIN and AIRY and ,Often times, they’re translucent. These Cymbals remind me of Munchos.
Thank you for telling me about this, I'd wondered if America had anything like Quavers (which are a UK thing but also a Walkers/Frito-lay product) and, yep, Munches look pretty much identical. Probably different flavours though, I've never seen a Quaver be anything other than cheese flavour, whereas I'm seeing quite a few different flavours of Munchos in this image search. Which sounds better honestly.
i snagged a bunch of these off facebook marketplace for a steal and they've been a friggen god send for me and my tiny flat. I've got em set up in my lounge with a practice kick pad and and pad sitting on top of my snare and I'm practicing a thousand times more because its just so easy to have them there and jump on anytime. Would recommend for apartment dwellers
Hi Wade, I recently played with a guy who had symbals that were embedded with metal parts that reverberated with the cymbals to create a unique and long sound. Would love to see a video about these! Love the videos btw
A practice studio I go to sometimes has one, strange sounds fantastic, somewhere between an open hi hat and ride. Sorta crashy but not really, just lots of extra noise. I think that one was originally a light or medium ride
Rivets are cool, but I prefer to just drape chains over the cymbals. Different types of chains make very different adjustments to the sound. For really subtle (my usual go to) I like to attach an inch or so of 2mm dog tag chain to some string and hang it off the center post of the cymbal stand so the chain is close to the edge of the cymbal
They actually sound like they would be great for layering on top of drum recordings. like adding them for some "fizz" or "shine" to brighten some other cymbals. Kind of how on Rust In Peace, the engineer dynamically added white noise to the cymbals to really fill out that space and add the illusion of definition.
I really like the low volume stuff that has been coming out from various companies the last couple of years. These cymbals paired with mesh heads are an apartment drummer's dream. I've even seen guys use the low volume cymbals in stacks which is probably the only scenario in which they could get used in a live setting.
i have a low volume set. evans DB1 heads and cymbals. actually sounds really good for what it is, and feels just like a real kit. ton of fun with triggers too. would really recc the DB1 mesh heads, with some reso head tuning they are real nice.
Not only practice - I've heard about people, who play unplugged gigs in small cafes with this type of cymbals, so they are not overcrashing acoustic guitars. I guess, cajon with low volume cymbals can do the job for a lot of acoustic bands
It's actually remarkable how quiet these things are... Thank you for re-rolling for 2 so we could see this Also thanks for the videos! Definitely my favorite drumtuber
Zildjian actually made a set of these, before the L80s came out, which were specifically designed for electronic drum kits. They were called Gen 16, and they came with a special base which would take the place of the bottom felt and act as the trigger. I believe it came out in the early 2010s, and I remember them being quite expensive. I can't vouch for how well they worked, but it's a neat concept nonetheless.
This is making me think back to when I was trying to get into drums as a smaller me. I wasn't particularly into music to begin with, still am not really a music person, but back then my musical taste was basically just the Ocarina of Time soundtrack and two songs from the radio at the time. And my parents were like, you should be an instrument. I'm like what why. They say I should!! I'm all okay. Which one do you want me to be? And somehow we settled on drums and before I knew it we were in a music store and I was being bought a drum thing and had lessons. And within about five weeks my parents were like "drums are loud, did you know that? can you not" and I'm like "what. you wanted this not me" And they got me dampening pads to put on the drums so it would no longer be loud and that just killed what little fun I was having to begin with so I stopped playing entirely and two years later my parents sold it all for a fraction of what they paid. These practice guys probably would have made a ton more sense and I might have kept at it. Probably not, I wasn't into music, and my teacher was just some guy who got frustrated with me not understanding basic concepts that he had no idea how to explain. The teacher was an awful fit for me, it was never gonna click, but the damp pads made me not even like trying at all anymore.
I never knew these existed. I have been thinking about getting into drumming for quite some time, a couple of my friends who are musicians/studying music in uni thought I legit play because of my 'stick' technique (I often find myself air drumming with the hand fans I always carry), however I am very very sensitive to noise a so even with ear protection I'd have difficulties being that close to the sound of cymbal crashes. Had I known these existed I probably would have gotten into drumming years ago, I'd definitely be looking into an electric kit before I would consider splurging on those cymbals but the real feel of drums and cymbals is what really draws me to the instrument.
I just found this and man this was so helpful. We are currently playing with an electronic kit due to excessive noise and the small space we have to work with, but damn these seem like a great option
We use them at the music store I work at. They're designed to feel similar to the ones that aren't perferated but way quieter. It's great because in the lessons section we have usually 5 or 6 kids all playing the drums at the same time with no sound insulation.
When i was going to lessons at a small music shop they had these with muffles on all the drums to help the drum lessons not overpower the entire building so that people could still shop and get other lessons in other rooms. They were great! Really fun to play on and way quieter
I actually got to try these in a music store in Gothenburg. It wasn't just the cymbals, but everything else were quiet versions too and it was really cool.
I watched this video a while back when it came out, I started taking drum lessons outside of school for the first time this summer and my drum teacher has these cymbals on his student drumset, he was super surprised when I recognized them immediately.
when i got my first lessons on drums, the kit at the store had these on them. I'd been playing for little over a month on an e-kit with those rubber cymbals... I couldn't tell you how happy i was practicing on these for the first time, like stupid happy. I love drums, and cymbals for that matter
I use a set of these for practice alongside the Remo Silenstroke heads on the kit. After adding some gaff tape to the heads they don't sound half bad (still low volume), I can practice without needing hearing protection past earbuds and without deafening my housemates :)
When I was learning drums, my studio switched from suppressed drums (kick full of pillows, rubber mats on the heads), but they switched to these AND mesh drum heads that make less noise as well. I still have never found a better to play snare. The mesh acted like a trampoline and I could play so fast it was amazing. Now I have my own real drumset with cymbals that make noise
my drum teacher uses them with low volume drum heads which work’s amazing because you get the feeling of drums and drum heads but it’s quieter, which is perfect for smaller rooms/practicing
I've used these for live sets before and they're amazing. Not only do I think they simply sound great, but for intimate venues they allow you to be a more dynamic and expressive without making all the eardrums in the room bleed. They have many more use cases than simply quieter practice.
i don’t know blip all about drum or cymbal but these things like physically look cool as hell i’m obsessed with the transparent effect the holes give it
I imagine that however long it takes to crack a typical nice bronze cymbal, you cut that into 20 and that's how long it takes to crack one of these, and once they do they'd just unravel completely
I love my set, got them from the music store I taught and worked at for years when they went under, they say DEMO across them in big block letters its great! Of course for practice they are excellent, but we also found them super useful when running a blues jam at a cafe, we could have 'real' drums and as long as you played the rest of the kit appropriately people could still chat over coffee.
I played on some Evans db one low volume cymbals when I visited sweetwater. The only low volume cymbals I’ve ever heard that sound like actual cymbals, just quieter.
I use these at home, they are awesome with mesh heads i can play my kit and not annoy the neighbours. Can also jam at home and not have to book out a rehearsal space which cost money (not to include petrol/ time etc), they paid for themselves in a few months. Love them.
Great show on the low volume cymbals. I have priced them, and you are so correct. They are quite pricey. I love your videos, and I thank you for sharing all of them with all of us.
Low-volume cymbals and low-volume heads used in combination those are great. They have a lot of applications. Low-volume nightclubs. Low-volume Apartments. And so on
My drum academy used cymbals like these. They actually helped practicing a lot, since they felt like real cymbals instead of electric rubber pads, but they also weren't obnoxiously loud for the cramped practice rooms. On top of that, I actually really like the sound since they're super light and sweet sounding
I have had these for for several years now, they're great. Combined with mesh drum heads it allows me to practice basically any time I care to (this is in a detached single house). I have also used this set up for live shows in school musicals (but with a real head on the kick drum 20*14), and it is actually fine volume wise. I think being in a big school hall helps everything sound a bit more open, rather than being in like a carpeted lounge that's full of crap to absorb the sound.
Took me so long to figure out that was Knights of Cydonia I couldn't even pay attention to the drumming or the conversation afterwards, cause I was so dumbfounded by why that midi was so familiar