Lui, leur OR le, la, les in French? Pick correctly EVERY TIME with this trick - French pronouns

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Lui and leur take the same position in French sentences as le, la, les, right? Yes and no. Here's how to remember whether to choose lui, leur or le, la, les and where to put them!
Ah, I'm so excited to produce this video on how to choose between the French pronouns lui, leur, and le, la, les in French. This is a big one. It's not at all obvious how to know when the use which kind of pronoun. But then one day I discovered something that makes the choice easy!
Note: we're NOT talking about stress pronouns (les pronoms toniques) - (e.g. je parle de lui) - in this video.
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@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

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@gurleenjohal7268 4 года назад

he taught me more in 8 minutes than my french teacher in 2 weeks

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

😂

@cherry6054 3 года назад

Same here! 🙋 Merci beaucoup!

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

@@cherry6054 De rien !

@Ch9-7708 3 года назад

I literally said the same thing to my vice principal but they are just like, “education doesn’t have to be fun” and I just gave up trying to talk to them. Thanks for the video!

@intosomethingsometimes2193 3 года назад

Omg literally exactly 2 weeks!

@BWiggs-xh6ne 2 года назад

The problem is not with French it's that you never learned the difference between direct objects and indirect objects. If you just learn these first in English then it's easy to understand it in French

@laila-mf7qb 2 года назад

i agree

@davidk7931 5 лет назад

Je préfère vos leçons Parcé que vous n'êtes pas français nativement alors vous comprendrez bien nos "journey " apprendre le français. Merci, merci beaucoup

@FrenchinPlainSight 5 лет назад

Yes! On poursuit tous ensemble ce parcours (journey/path dans ce contexte). Merci de regarder Danga !

@Neyobe 4 года назад

@lauralaura6330 4 года назад

You just teached me more in 8 minutes, than my teacher in more than 180 minutes

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

Merry Christmas :)

@EasyFinnish 5 лет назад

Actually David Crystal talks about it that native speakers are not the best teachers at all. Normally those who have learnt the language as a second language know the most for hard work. This video was very helpful.

@bobelle1274 2 года назад

Great explanation. Even though I’m learning from a native French speaker, it takes a British person to explain it in a way a British person can understand perfectly. You’ve done that for me in 8 minutes.

@FrenchinPlainSight 2 года назад

The overriding message from the language learning companies and industry is "learn from a native. it's the best way to go!". But learning a language involves overcoming many different challenges. Some of which a native is perfectly suited for, and some of which, someone who speaks your native language (I assume yours is English?) is better placed due their experience. Happy to have helped :)

@kateseal2752 2 года назад

@@FrenchinPlainSight That's so true! I am a native russian speaker and I have no idea how to teach russian to foreigners (but I teach english, as a matter of fact)

@FrenchinPlainSight 2 года назад

@@kateseal2752 you go with your gut to start with, and then adapt based on how well it goes :)

@GorgieClarissa 2 года назад

to be fair, I teach English as a second language, but I have also STUDIED how to teach English as a second language. I think being able to speak a language and being able to teach a language are two different things. That's why it's always good to work on conversation with natives, but don't expect every native to be able to explain the grammar concept. In fact, I primarily teach elementary/beginner English. Not c1.c2 because there are concepts I don't actually KNOW how to teach. But I still get lesson requests... asking me for advanced english and I have to explain I can't, or other things like tofel, toeic, ielts... I JUST DONT KNOW!

@LisaSoulLevelHealing Год назад

American as well 😉 we make the same mistakes

@luizachebli2484 3 года назад

hi I’m Brazilian and I’m learning English and French. your video was very helpful for me and it explains a difficult part of the language but by a easy way. when I saw your video, I got afraid of not to be able to understand because it’s in English but I could do it. so, thanks one more time and congrats!

@nitramsamuel2988 3 года назад

Yes thank you, good one. Now I have reach the "a-ha" moment!

@Hewhogreetswithfjre 3 месяца назад

“French is a marathon not a sprint " indeed it is. Merci beaucoup !

@christineyee2117 3 года назад

Très bien expliqué, comme toujours!. Ca fait un an et demi que je regarde des vidéos en français. I notice that in every day spoken French, it isn't very common to use multiple direct/indirect objects in a single sentence. Example: Je donne la pomme à Pierre. Instead of "je la lui donne.", I often hear "Je la donne à Pierre". What do you think?

@Ballykeith 2 года назад

Oui! Xavier Debidour à écrit ici: < Je le lui donne » n'est pas beaucoup utilisé à l'oral, parce qu'il est difficilement discernable de

@alannohlgren 2 года назад

Jeez, I've been here for 20 years & never could get a straight answer from a French person. I knew by example that lui went with donner, & I pretty much inserted le, la & les in the others. So it's a question of whether or not a preposition exists with a verb. Interesting. I'm gonna start trying it out systematically. Thanks, Alex

@alisonmcnabney-stevens5600 4 года назад

Hi Alex thanks for your videos... I love them. I’m British and live in melbourne. After years of speaking school French I decided now is the time to nail this thing. Im loving the learning... thanks for your help

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

Tu t'es donnée un coup de pied? Nice one Alison. Not waiting til setting "resolutions" to get into gear and chase your dreams :). Happy to have you here.

@gabriellapugliese8058 3 года назад

I've been trying to understand this concept for the last two years and in a few minutes you made it so clear, thank you!

@joesoap2014 3 года назад

I'm sooo glad I'm not the only one who's having tons of trouble getting my head round this! I thought it was just me being thick! Thanks very much for the lesson!

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

Never think you're thick, just assume that it hasn't been taught in the right way or you haven't found the one resource that can unlock something for you.

@ElpresadorsBrother 4 года назад

You explained this so well man. Unbelievable. Thanks a lot. Learning from people who had to figure this stuff out the hard way and aren't just native speakers is the way to go.

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

Love this !

@LandonDehnel 4 месяца назад

I have a french final tmr. You're my last hope.

@elmohannah 3 месяца назад

literally me rn

@FrenchinPlainSight 5 лет назад

Using the trick in the video, give me an example of a verb with lui/leur and one with le/la/les as object pronouns! Je lui ai repondu - I responded to him. Je le mettrai sur la table. - I'll put it on the table. Sorry for the messed up text at one point. It should say: "je parle à Alex". Hopefully you figured that out.

@otherlandor1263 4 года назад

"Je me suis abonné à ta chaîne." ---> "Je me lui suis abonné" ?

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

@@otherlandor1263 en fait, "lui" ne remplace qu'une personne/un animal/un être vivant. Pour les autres choses, on les remplace par "y". "Je m'y suis abonné."

@otherlandor1263 4 года назад

@@FrenchinPlainSight Thank you for taking the time to answer my question! All clear now : )

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

@@otherlandor1263 Super. De rien. À bientôt :)

@lucabonnet5239 3 года назад

Répondre* ( u probably just made a typo but just in case ur unsure it should be “é”, not e

@marks4982 4 года назад

First of all, you are CLEARLY a cannibal, and second of all, content of this quality should get MORE attention!

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

RU-vid tries very hard to oppress my cannibal kind. It's why I don't get many views

@feraskiki655 3 года назад

What do you mean by him being "cannibal"?

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

@@feraskiki655 I made a joke about eating people.

@josephmusumali4114 24 дня назад

En effet je le comprends maintenant, merci monsieur. Thanks alot this video has been helpful to me.

@nkechiogbuka726 Год назад

merci, il faut ecrire sur le tableau pour bien expliquer les exemples.

@goomba008 6 месяцев назад

Hi. As a native French speaker, I think you pretty much nailed it. The way we are taught grammar in school is IMO a lot more convoluted than how French grammar is structured for English/other speakers ^_^ e.g. We say "complément d'objet direct/indirect" instead of just "direct/indirect object", also our verb tenses have strange names even though they may correspond one-to-one to a tense in other European languages that have a different name). That's just two examples of needless complications, and this is one of the reasons why we have trouble explaining it to learners. However now that I delved into Spanish and German, it's much easier to pinpoint the right words to use, and the right way to explain things to be more in line with common elements of other European languages. I wish their was a standards body in Europe to define a common method and vocabulary for teaching grammar in all European languages. This way it would be very simple to draw parallels and find the equivalent concepts/words to use when learning another language.

@ansonel-ayari5905 3 года назад

I literally learnt more in this video than I have with my teacher in the last month. Thx man!

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

You're welcome :)

@whodis8272 3 года назад

i really like how i can understand his English

@filipecarvalho3105 2 года назад

Amazing explanation! Funny that, in my case, I always translated the sentence back to my language (Portuguese), and if the pronoun before the object was "lhe/lhes", I'd use "lui/leur", but if the pronoun was "lo/la/los/las", I'd use "le/la/les". So in a way I was doing what you explained but by going back to my own language instead of observing the actual french pronoun. Thank you!

@lunao7677 4 года назад

Je ne comprends fucking pas

@minhzikm1 2 года назад

Salut ! remerci pour cette vidéo informative. Pouvez-vous faire une vidéo sur la prononciation de "PLUS". Quand prononcer avec "S" et sans "S". Merci

@artvandelay1555 2 года назад

Merci énormement, que je me mets en colère souvent avec cet ennuni. You have helped me very much here! How did you know that many of us have this problem? Often it's clear for me which one to use but there is always that one that comes along. Elle a dû lire les journaux; je les lui ai montés à neuf heures. I knew there must be a rule i could follow, and i did not know about the verbs with no preposition= le, la etc. Compter, Manger, Regarder etc. Every now and then a breakthrough with French like the conditionnel passé. A tip for you sir-in Paris a small family run hotel $ is the Hotel Jean Bart sur la rue Jean Bart bien sur! Thank you.

@FrenchinPlainSight 2 года назад

Because I've been through it and now I work with other English speakers so I hear the same issues come up again and again :)

@magicalawnmower4764 8 месяцев назад

i missed this lesson in french class today + yesterday because I had the stomach flu and we have a tiny quiz on it tomorrow. merci bcp!!!!

@FrenchinPlainSight 8 месяцев назад

Get well soon

@indranighose2025 3 года назад

Very nicely explained. Merci beaucoup

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

De rien

@osmanaltanyuksel1884 Год назад

Je parle a ma mere = Je lui parle Anakin cherche son devoir = Anakin le cherche

@xouxoful 3 года назад

« Je le lui donne » n’est pas beaucoup utilisé à l’oral, parce qu’il est difficilement discernable de « je lui donne ». Donc le plus souvent c’est : « je lui donne qqch » ou « je le/la/les donne à qqun »

@ActionwithKanishka 2 месяца назад

This is very helpful👍🏾

@marsattaqueladelinquancest9727 3 года назад

I help him : je l'aide I give him it : je le lui donne It's not so obvious especially when we want to explain in English. This lesson is very hard , true. Best advice : to observe a lot how ppl express themselves

@messrsandersonco5985 3 года назад

Nowhere in English can you say, "I give him it"! In English, we would say, "I give IT TO HIM". Thus, the preposition exists in both English AND French!

@abumaria4490 4 года назад

Your lessons are really really helpful , I am eternally grateful my friend 😍

@katherinetherese2736 Год назад

Thank you, Alex! Your articulations and pronunciation is exquisite! So, glad I found:)!

@FrenchinPlainSight Год назад

Aw that's so nice, Katherine. Merci :)

@losingmychic 2 года назад

Thank you again Alex, have rewatched this several times now to glue it into my head!!

@stretchh2o Год назад

I could kiss you right now! thank you so much for this helpful video 😭 😭

@FrenchinPlainSight Год назад

You're so welcome!

@PhilipCrozet888 Месяц назад

Thank you so much. I was wondering why la phrase: Je l'ai vu a l'exterieur de l'eglise' doesn't start with 'Je lui ai vu ...'. Because of your explanation about how to distinguish an object pronoun from an indirect one, this is much clearer!

@FrenchinPlainSight Месяц назад

So happy to read that Philip!

@PhilipCrozet888 Месяц назад

@@FrenchinPlainSight You're welcome! You're a wonderful teacher!

@colintprof1 2 года назад

Thanks for the video. The real secret if there is one to choosing the right pronoun is in having a list of verbs that go with a. Even the better grammar books don't bother to give lists of more than a dozen or so of the most commonly used verbs like donner. I've tried to compile a list of verbs that use lui/leur and they number well over 50+ and I'm only a learner. Maybe one day some French grammarians or teachers will produce a list of the (perhaps) one hundred verbs that go with a.

@bobelle1274 2 года назад

Yes , please list below ?

@Lesrevesdhiver Месяц назад

Some would argue that it is not a good idea to learn French (or any language) from a non-native speaker. The good part of learning tricks from a non-native is they might have ideas that a native speaker wouldn't even think about. It is because, like the video said, we tend to take our own language for granted so we do not need tricks. A lot of french instructors on youtube DO mention these tips, but they are kind of "buried" to the point that they are easy to miss. In any case, excellent vid.

@FrenchinPlainSight Месяц назад

Exactly. Well said. There's no teacher you'll stick with from start to finish. At different stages, you need different people. Like a toolbox. There's a different tool for every job. Learning a language takes years. And, for the more technical parts, it can be very helpful to have it taught in your native language :)

@Lesrevesdhiver Месяц назад

@@FrenchinPlainSight of course when we are doing any "challenging" task, sometimes we need to drag out every last tool at our disposal. Almost like a "simple" house repair. If you have ever done that, you know exactly what I am talking about. Sometimes we even end up fabricating our own tools.

@windswept8123 2 года назад

Salut, Alex. This was such a helpful video ! I think it makes a difference, learning French from an English speaker, as I am, because you can explain points of grammar that a native wouldn't necessarily consider. You clarified this particular issue so simply. Merci beaucoup !

@suhanichawla806 3 года назад

You're the best teacher ❤️this video was very helpful for me thankyou

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

You're very welcome!

@kdowning73 5 лет назад

Woooow! Just discovered your videos today. The way you laid this out makes SO much sense! Mind blown! Merci de partager ce "secret" avec nous! Vous avez une nouvelle abonnée! :)

@FrenchinPlainSight 5 лет назад

Yessss, awesome. That's why I make these videos. C'est super de te compter parmi nous.

@boify3849 3 года назад

Thank you so much dude , I was struggling here

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

🤙 you're welcome

@tymanung6382 Год назад

In contrast, English has both Indirect Objects (They gave her the prize.) + Prepositional Objects (They gave the prize to her).

@PhilipCrozet888 Месяц назад

I had an opportunity to use a direct object. I was trying to say: I met him in a bar. The words which I recall using were: Je [no pronoun or aux verb!] rencontre au bar." I now understand that I should have said: "J l'ai rencontre dans la bar."

@FrenchinPlainSight 5 лет назад

Which are more confusing? Le, la, l', les as pronouns, or lui, leur?

@cartmando9874 5 лет назад

French in Plain Sight Is there a website or something that I can see all the indirect ones? Like Parler, écrire, téléphoner?

@FrenchinPlainSight 5 лет назад

Not that I've found. It's an idea I'm exploring.

@sissasu7643 4 года назад

svp on veut des lecons de conjugaison

@dobefrmdadead 4 года назад

How the hell do you know what order to say the pronouns ??

@Neyobe 4 года назад

Thank you so much!!!!!!

@GangstaSkippy 4 года назад

Anyone else here from Ms Cronin’s class? 6A NBC?

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

Thanks Ms Cronin for sharing this video!

@ValleyGreenNaturals Месяц назад

I just discovered this video, and it's SO helpful! Merci!

@garethdwatkins 2 года назад

You are forgetting 'lae' and 'ellui' ... in the new inclusive speak...

@HoffenSalvatore 11 дней назад

There interfere "en" and "y" to make it impossible to understand.

@saramoursi8381 5 месяцев назад

Today I met with my French group and I wrote this sentence je lui ai convaincu d’acheter le livre . I found out it is supposed to be written as je l’ai convaincu d’acheter le livre. My issue is I don’t know which verbs take the direct or indirect object. Any tips and tricks ?

@foodfound88 Месяц назад

This is exactly what I'm looking for,thank you so much

@dianel8722 3 года назад

Vous m'aidez beaucoup dans cette vidéo, je l'adore tellement!

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

Ça me fait tellement de plaisir de l'apprendre Diane !

@SP-gc1pr Год назад

boss, thank you. i clicked on this video because i was like 'oh shit is that johnny sins?' while learning these bloody pronouns for my french exam. so glad i clicked on the video. i’ve subbed and liked man. thanks. i got a french exam and my brain was just tangling itself.

@stephend7404 5 месяцев назад

Because of you, it finally sticks!! THANK YOU!

@MoyinsThoughts 2 дня назад

Merci beaucoup! I found this so helpful

@julielonneux327 2 года назад

Hey, what song did you use in ur intro? just wondering because I've been looking for a particular type of music but can't seem to find it... the tune in ur video sounds nice tho, it would be really helpful if you could tell me what it's called. Thanks.

@sempriestrhetoric3843 3 года назад

It could be a bit confusing when at 02:28 you say "the object is 'preceded' BY a preposition", but on the screen it says "the object comes AFTER a preposition". I realise that both things mean the same thing, but that's a bit of a Mfck when trying to visualise what you're saying. Maybe just pick one, not put both.

@ShunyamNiketana Год назад

How can we distinguish masculine from feminine D.O., or do we use only 'lui' and 'leur'?

@artvandelay1555 2 года назад

Yes, FR is a marathon, and you know you have quasi arrived when they don't start speaking English after hearing your French. Listening comprehension is one of the big keys of course. It never ends, but is a labor of love, in the literal sense sometimes.

@tonycanderton1975 3 года назад

hears the thing the English accent makes French much more understandable where as a french accent can throw you of very quickly French news is the thing I find more understandable because its flat French

@andayaman4097 4 месяца назад

London accent with the best french class. I love it man. Well- done.

@anitawaters8039 5 лет назад

Quelle bonne explication Alex, merci !!!

@FrenchinPlainSight 5 лет назад

Tellement content qu'elle t'ait plue, Anita !

@andresramirez3640 Месяц назад

it was all fun and games until « je les lui donne « :) lost me there.

@REDx09_EDITZ 3 месяца назад

Thank you this helped a lot I have my exam tomorrow...

@thaynara32601 4 года назад

Omg, thank you sooo much, you just save my life, I could cry right now

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

You're so welcome! Did something just "click"? Keep the keyboard dry from any tears!

@AffanAhmadKhan 2 месяца назад

taklu

@neznam_be_brat 9 месяцев назад

English is not my native language an yet I managed to understand you and learn French

@briangreene3333 3 года назад

I wonder whether the following is a correct example or not: Ne dites pas ce secret à Alex. Ne le dites pas à Alex. Ne lui dites pas ce secret. Ne le lui dites pas.

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

C'est parfait !! Tu as tout compris !

@briangreene3333 3 года назад

@@FrenchinPlainSight Merci!

@mishamc93 2 месяца назад

Je suis un débutant qui apprend le français, mais je voulais dire que votre prononciation de "parler" est ce à quoi j'aspire.

@Mori_mee 2 года назад

idk wtf my teacher was doing this video legit taught what she could not

@Nathan-fd7mm Год назад

J'ai une question: avec le mots reflexive; where does the "le, la, les ou lui, leur" go? pour example: je lui me regarde ou je lui suis me regardé; je ne suis lui pas me regardé.. just not sure the order when working with reflexive and passe compose.. Merci!

@keketomeka 7 месяцев назад

Je donne le gâteau à ma sœur: Je le lui donne. Je parle à Phillip:Je lui parle. J’ai essayé 😅

@MsCankersore 2 года назад

What I got from this is was I need to learn English grammar

@gamingwithash5757 3 года назад

Bonjour, merci pour cette vidéo m’aide et elle me donne beaucoup d’infomation pour moi et je lui parle là maintenant qui t’est. Arrête de tomber dans ses chaises qui sont dans ma masion avec Alex et il le détéste quand tu tombes sur ses chaises! Paul, tu as besoin de lui arrête de mentir?

@Kaldoon73 Год назад

I think that the video will be better without music

@LauraChristinaWarren Месяц назад

This was AWESOME!! I finally get it. MERCI BEAUCOUP!!

@FrenchinPlainSight Месяц назад

Glad it helped!

@senapus1241 4 года назад

Merci! Thank you. I've learned French years ago in school but never practise it as I did with english. Now with the help of duolingo (yes you also made a video about using Duolingo) I try to refresh my knowlege of French. Since yesterday I got the topic of pronouns and I'm really happy to be able to watch youtube and people like you how explain this topic really understandable.

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

You're welcome. De rien ! From next week I'm doing a little series, a deep dive into lui and leur so you might want to come back for that and refresh your memory :)

@senapus1241 4 года назад

@@FrenchinPlainSight I absoluty will. I also taking notes about "y" and "en". I am optimistic that I will learn all of this. Thank you.

@schoolprojectinfoworld6370 6 дней назад

Nice lesson you have helped me so much

@iliveinacrowdedhouse368 4 года назад

I died in the beginning

@EKdlwoasred Год назад

I use je suis anglais and it gets me out of trouble every time

@makefutur 3 года назад

He didn’t translate Je le mange which I need as a beginner

@bethlehemalem9828 11 месяцев назад

You got a new subscriber. This was very well explained thank you so much. Je le apprècie beaucoup.

@FrenchinPlainSight 11 месяцев назад

You're welcome!

@mumliznyaori7301 2 месяца назад

I love this, merci beacoup

@sophiebeeart874 2 года назад

GAME CHANGER! Thanks so much, so glad I stumbled upon your channel.

@FrenchinPlainSight 2 года назад

You're welcome Sophie. Happy to have you :)

@nawarnawar5822 3 года назад

Hi. I have a question here If I say ' tu lui parles... ' it means ' YOU talk to him or her...." But If I say ' tu lui manques " it means ' HE or SHE misses you' so Since ' lui ' is an indirect object then why does it have different meanings?.

@FrenchinPlainSight 3 года назад

It's the verb manquer. It's structured in the opposite direction to English. Manquer à quelqu'un = to be missing from someone.

@sandiedwards4769 4 месяца назад

I wish you were around when I did French at schooll!!! A bit difficult really as that was well before you were born!!!!😂

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 месяца назад

Yea sorry about that :)

@peterbodnarchuk1 21 день назад

Je conduis ma voiture. Je la conduis.

@StrawB0ss 5 месяцев назад

This makes my brain hurt.

@livelifesmusic 4 года назад

You are a God! Merci merci merci! One hour of googling and all I needed was to watch this haha

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

Glad I could help Alex! Cool name btw ;)

@hrenes 10 месяцев назад

Ze rouge bouton n'est pas rouge anymore but noir. Zanks for ze lesson!

@ma3languages483 3 года назад

give us more thank you very much

@sibivelan527 Год назад

thx alex ur vids helps me in my exams

@Dark5ha 4 месяца назад

What the f--- 😂

@camillea7697 2 года назад

You’re great. … neat guy.

@MaryMagdalene-e8o 2 месяца назад

Thank you dear

@Paul-bs1sc 4 года назад

Thanks for this. I found you yesterday. It's really good to have things explained from someone who's taught them self too. I hope you can keep making videos. I've been teaching myself for just 5 months, but every day, and using different material. I thought I was doing alright but then I had my first italki conversation and couldn't think at all ha! I'll be going through all your videos. Cheers - keep it up

@FrenchinPlainSight 4 года назад

"It's really good to have things explained from someone who's taught them self too" - That's exactly my hope Paul. So glad you find it useful! 5 months is not very long at all. And what you experienced is completely normal. It was your first piece of evidence that learning more doesn't mean you'll be a good speaker. We can be C1 in knowledge but A1 in speaking. Don't shy away from italki now, go for it full throttle. Get through the discomfort and you'll be a great language learner!

@GorgieClarissa 2 года назад

my french is good enough that I MDR at manger quelqu'on!

@FrenchinPlainSight 2 года назад

Mdr. Bravo !