There are! Chris Mosier for example is a trans man (female to male), and a 7 time olympic triathlete and duathlete. He is a 3 time Men's National Champion, a Men's All-American, as well a nationally recognized Ironman triathlete. An impressive feat for any man!
@@emilycheng5897 I'm commenting because I see this athlete used as an example from time to time. It should be noted that he is often competing in an age category where he is the only person, or one of two people in that category. That detail is not mentioned when his accolades are listed. You can find the stats for each competition online though. For example he won a national championship in 2019 for mens race walking in the age 35-39 category - he was the only person racing in that category that day. Meaning his time didn't matter. He would have won the national championship in that category no matter how slow he was. His overall placings are usually much further down the line, in the lower half, like 9th out of 13 competitors, or 50th or 127th overall. It's an impressive feat to compete in any sport but he is nowhere near dominating the top men in the country in a way that's comparable to the way these male athletes are dominating females in sport.
You will never see a trans or an intersex competing in artistic gymnastics for example. If you pay attention is the discipline where the exercise are very different between man and woman cause their body would never be able to do the same exercise.
Injustices by who by god, we all suffer natural injustices there’s no human being can change that. Some people are tall, smart, rich, strong by birth. You can’t persecute Caster for being born stronger than other women when she can give birth like any other woman. Her sex choice has nothing to do with sport, you can analyse all you like she’s a woman and she will die one. You all can hurt all you want, she’s the champ the athlete of all time.
@@melikhayazagagana3761 No your wrong, this has nothing to do with God! Caster was born with XY chromosomes and has testosterone levels equivalent to a lot of men. Caster can still race against men if the love for running is that high! Knowing the advantage Caster has it almost seems like a work smarter not harder situation!
The race was more than 400m. At that distance, non-Africans no longer exist. Why you writing such nonsense as this, I do not know. We Africans always win races at this distance, whatever crap the rest of you imbibe to increase your competitive ability not withstanding
@@joelmanna2907 Who decides what the testosterone level should be in a woman? Do you realise that whatever the level set, that criterion is still abitrary?
Caster was born with 5a-Reductase 2 deficiency, a condition that affects only genetic males and affects the external genitalia and prostate during development of the male fetus. Semenya was born with ambiguous external genitals and internal testicles producing elevated levels of testosterone. Typically, affected males still develop masculine features at puberty eg deep voice, facial hair and muscle bulk. Whether you call Caster male or intersex, the one thing you cannot call Semenya is female. Certainly not for the purposes of competitive sport. Everyone knows this, Semenya included.
Semenya is socially a woman. She was identified and raised as a girl. However, she is 46XY and has partial androgen insensitivity. Because of this, she has a vagina without internal female reproductive organs, she has internal testes, and in utero and early childhood, her body’s tissues did not respond to testosterone/dihydrotestosterone as a typical XY male’s body does. At puberty, her body responded enough to dihydrotestosterone to stimulate development of a more masculine physique. Semenya did nothing to cause her condition. However, it does give her an unfair advantage in sport over typical 46XX women .
@@lynnk-j9948 Michael Phelps have an unfair advantage to 99.99% of the male population which is the point, just like someone like Usain Bolt. The top level of all sports is about being an genetic outlier to get an unfair advantage. However, I dont think trans athletes OR genetic outliers should be able to compete even if its against their own sex.
@@retniretep9477if you have a vagina, your mother, grandmother and doctor see you bom and identify you as a girl. You grow up socially as a girl. You have female secondary sexual characteristics etc I think it's clearly not as simple as you're making it out to be
I had a lib dem councillor on my doorstep telling me that Caster Semenya is intersex and basically somewhere in between man and woman, just with unnaturally high testosterone. People still think this is the situation. Caster is male, went through male puberty and then everyone pretended they had no idea. Con job since the beginning - these intersex children were sought out for their advantage, it's no accident. They pushed their luck as far as they could, party's over now though.
All three medalists have xy, not one single female won a medal at the rio Olympics in the womens 800m race. Im still so angry about this. They never stood a chance.
Why did they never stand a chance? Because men are faster than women? I know a crap ton of men who would be absolutely demolished by even the woman who came last in this race. Your sexism is showing. Don't act as if you care about women's sports. You care that black women that don't fit into the patriarchal white ideal of femininity beat a bunch of white women. And this white woman couldn't get over her entitlement and fragility to take the loss. She's lost races to plenty of more 'feminine' women and now chose the Olympics to go all white woman tears about it.
Please, is someone listening in the BBC? In the Rules committee of the Olympic Games 2020? This is the death of women's competitive sports. Brave, brave Lynsey Sharp and her "sister" athletes!
@@VAMR-vc7xg YES INDEEED!!! He should BE BANNED FOR LIFE FROM ANY SPORTS! But then again, its the Africa thing, THEFT OF EVERYTHING that is to be earned with honest hard work!!! I am South African
Now that Semenya and the two other Africans are not allowed to compete, I am expecting Lindsey to get a podium finish. Nothing else and no excuses pls. They are intersex and do not have a category, now the category is yours and hope you will be kind with this year's winners as they will be in the same category as you.
@@goodtimes2hellyeah169 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 if they cannot complete? you don't know what you are talking about, you are exactly like Kenneth Copeland. You are dilusional just like him and this sore loser. Lindsey would not win a race against any girl, she will not even qualify for the final on this year's Olympics, I wonder what you and her will blame now. Maybe you will blame the fact the the Olympics are in Asia cause it seems like you hate anything that is not European or white.
@@sariahpiacentini9274 you are treating them like transgenders but they are intersex, they did not choose to have testies and this condition they were born like this. The testicles are inside, this is only happening because these athletes are African, if they were American or European they would. Never be forced to reduce their testosterone levels. What I hate about Lindsey is the way she acted after the race, Caster came to her just like any other atleste would after the race but in response she acted like she was being touched by a rapist. She did not stand a chance to win even when the Intersex athletes were not part of this race. I wonder what is going to be her excuse this year(COVID 19)
@@sandilemfeka4658 the person had a child with their girlfriend 🤣 you’re deluded if you think this a full woman. I’m mean Europe is beautiful place that’s why thousands of africans try to come here every year 😂 they want to leave the shit hole.
@@blod40 Some men have a "blind pouch" or a "dimple" that looks like a belly button and is as shallow. It doesn't function or look like a vagina. He has internal testes that produce testosterone at normal male levels.
Well... the time semenya ran were similar to the times Mu and Hodgkinson run today. I think it's simply the ladies that could not beat semenya weren't talented enough. Prime vs prime, you can expect Mu to beat semenya in a race
@@HemanParkFilms no, when she was born the doctors identified her as female because of her outward appearance. She's intersex. Male chromosomes but assigned female.
Thank you Save Women's Sports for uploading this very important message about the effects on women of cheating officials cheating competitors that simply are not biological female. This is still a factor after the Semenya case was further push through the european courts, Caster Knows that his athletic career will be over if ever he reveals that he is male this he knew when he didn't developed as a young woman going through puberty and having periods, like all young females do. African Athletics knew also and they never revealed their findings back in 2011. This whole saga is an abomination on women's sports , and the mere fact that they,the officials are lagging in their duty as to disqualify Casters results and medals , essentially are allowing the public to drive emotional debate and the argument when they should do their job. and stop the cheating and give the women who ran the races honestly and according to the rules their medals and their rightful place in history Winners and podium places of 1st 2nd & 3rd. Unlike Caster and the officials ! Males are not Female , Period !
It may be unfair but when she chooses to live as a woman after being born as a female, you call her a man. That just proves transphobia goes out the window.
@@kboy128 they are intersex. Technically, they are neither male nor female. Either way, they still deserve respect, and this woman never had a chance of winning anyhow even if they weren’t in the race.
@@kboy128 she couldn’t even get that. She is not a competitive international runner. For this woman, caster was a scapegoat for her anger. Ajee Wilson, the American record holder in the 800m, never complained about Caster. In fact, she welcomed Caster as someone that pushes the entire field to run faster.
@@vagwan1398 Then she should do what Americans can afford but South Africans can't, take steroids 🤣🤣🤣 and shut her thin mouth and train harder with the time privilege her skin and nationality gives her.
If she is intersex surely it’s only fair that she also competes in male events where she will always lose? Interestingly she only chooses to run against people who can only ever be physiologically weaker.
She got the 5th place so there were four women that ran faster than her yet she's only making a big deal about one in particular. Train harder young lady.
Well Caster is clearly a man and 2nd and 3rd have also had high testosterone too aka they're a man too. She's upset because it's unfair that actual girls have to compete against testosterone boosted guys saying oh look I'm a female
@@svoak85 Caster is intersex and still biologically a women though?? Also the point of the comment was that this women still would of lost anyway because four people were ahead of her. Also why are you misgendering Caster for? Not a surprise that people who are against Caster are also transphobic. Just shows that you don’t actually care about women’s sports and just hate masculine women seeing how you called the other women who won “men”.
@@angelam1999 I don't want to get much into the issue. Having high testosterone might not make you a man but it does give an advantage to the person. Think of yourself on the situation. But instead of testosterone I will mention shoes. So let's say you are about to race against another person. However you have sandals while they are wearing professional sports shoes. Doesn't matter who the person you are running against is, they still have an advantage against you. And let's say that you ran against a couple more people and everyone had sandals except that one person. Even if you became the last place you would probably still not feel happy that someone had such a clear advantage, that you could've had, which would've possibly made you first.
Life isn’t fair. You could be born rich or poor. It’s about what you do. The fact that a woman who was born like that is told she can’t compete vs a dude who turned woman could compete is terrible. They need to boycott and completely shut off everything until they set things straight
@@kingloaf that’s what I don’t get HOW are they allowing transgenders play against women, but won’t let intersex women play against biological females.
@@zawarudozahandozadusto9626 the fact that they are called that when they are born women. It’s way too many things when it’s just boy and girl. Then letting transgender people go against girls is ridiculous
@@kingloaf Caster is not trans. She is intersex. She was born with testes instead of a womb and overies and has naturally high testostorone. You are chatting shit.
@@melikhayazagagana3761Difference is that Caster has a male body which brings unfair advantage over other competition. That's like Usain bolt participating women's running contest and claiming to be the best in the world 😂😂
@@JordanSmith-zz6vj CAS ruled that Caster has XY chromosomes. That is XY--MALE! ( in case you were not paying attention in biology class). So, NO--Caster is not a woman.
Would sorta be like the Paralympics with a lot of diversity in that category, she'd probably do really well. But I don't think there's enough athletes to make it feasible. A better idea, strip her of her medals, and give them to the women that she competed with, better late than never.
The solution is actually very easy. Just create an extra intersex sport event. The Intersex Olympics! Where all transgenders and intersex persons of any type are allowed to compete. So that the female sport is still fair. And on the other hand you still have a possibility to compete at sport on an international level as a transgender/intersex person, but this time on a level playing field! Everybody happy!
An even easier solution would be: declare the male discipline as an open discipline for all sexes (even women could participate, if they want to), but restrict the female discipline to real biological women.
Ladies... I don't understand why you all haven't banned together and collectively refused to leave the starting line when the gun is fired. That would force people into seeing reality for once.
This is a very tough issue, and I feel bad for Caster, none of this is her fault. It’s easy for someone who doesn’t care much about sports to say- just let her compete. But for athletes who’ve trained their whole lives to prepare for these events, and whose livelihood, recognition, and everything else they’ve been fighting for every day since they were young, it’s very hard to say, ya that’s fine we’ll all just compete for 2nd place since we’re racing against someone with a rare medical condition that gives them a unfair advantage. The difference between 2nd and 1st. Or getting a medal and 4th place is huge. It can be the difference between being a famous world champion vs. no one knowing who you are. Or being able to get sponsorships and endorsements and make a living vs. not making any money and having to quit and move on from sports
THIS IS HILARIOUS. BROH THAT IS NOT AN ILLNESS THAT IS WHAT MAKES HER SPECIAL, ALL OUR "ILLNESSES' ARE WHAT SETS APART THE REGULAR AND THE CHOSEN, SHE IS JUST CHOSEN BUT YALL DUDES ARE TIRED OF HER WINNING ALL THE TIME. IT'S GOD, IT'S NOT LIKE SHE MADE HERSELF, IN THAT CASE WE SHOULD CANCEL ALL TALL GUYS THAT PLAY BASKETBALL BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN "UNFAIR ADVANTAGE", WHAT THE FUCK???
@@mthokozisisteventavinnkosi1994 You're not very smart are you? Nobody is complaining about tall guys having an unfair advantage. If they played against the women, then YES, I would be complaining. That is exactly what we have here.
@@tjmckenzie4048 McKenzie, GENETICS. GENETICS, that's the point I was trying to get across since you got it misunderstood. If Caster isn't competing, the winner shouldn't dare say she's the best in the world coz she'd be lying to herself
@@tjmckenzie4048 She's not a man, she might have testosterone levels higher than most men but we both know the definition of male doesnt have the word testosterone in it. it is just a hormone that is in everyone (male and female) but yeah mostly common in men and it happens that this FEMALE(Caster) was abundantly gifted with the hormone which makes her really good at what she does and THATS EXACTLY HOW IT IS
@@mthokozisisteventavinnkosi1994 Semenya has internal testes. I know about 50,000 women and none of them have internal testes. I'm not saying I have any problem with Semenya. I've read they is a great person. But it's not ok for they to be competing against females. I don't compete against females. And just so you know I'm not picking on Semenya. The world record in the 800 is held by Jarmila Kratochvilova and that dude has a bigger crank than both of us combined.
I think it's hard for both parties. Semenya can't help it and the other athletes are also in a difficult position. But on the other side I also ask myself if her condition was causing her to loose would they ask her to use the hormone pills also🤔. Just to stand neutral. Is there a comittee that looks at women who never makr it and analyse why they never make it? How many women are living with this condition and are athletes. I have 1001 question about all this. Hope a solutiins can be found to please all parties because sport is there for everyone.
@@KeleM. No. The first 3 have been banned because they were all XY intersex. Aka Males that were misdiagnosed as females because of Ambiguous genitalee.
@@jacksonrobert8893 The 3 medal winners were all XY intersex males/females once the rules let Caster compete again they suddenly appeared on the scene.
All three of the medalists are MALES. This is why the testosterone limits were lowered. It is one of the biggest scandals in sports history. Don't think for a minute the women shut out of their own competition by these MALE cheats didn't raise a stink behind the scenes.
NEVER GIVE UP on women's sports......a woman with more totesterone hold more stamina in that body!!!! This is coming ompletely unfair in NATURALLY BORN OR GENETICALLY born women...
Unless Caster was born with a penis. There is nothing unfair in this race. Do i have the right to join a chess-tournament and cry because I didn’t get a trophy, due to “unfairness” of my competitors being born with a higher level of intelligence than i did? Think with your brain/logic sense, not your emotions, people
She got fifth place even if caster got removed there would be 4 other runners in front of her. I don't understand why she is acting like she would win if caster wasn't there.
In that particular race at the 2016 Olympics, all three medalist had male DSDs - they have testicles, male levels of testosterone, and went through male puberty. The athlete in the video finished 5th but was the second female. Understand now?
Read the 2019 CAS report if you want to understand more about the male runners with DSDs who were competing in the female category. They are still allowed to participate; all they have to do is lower their T or compete in a longer race and keep their male levels of T. It’s insane, but Caster Semenya is not willing to do that. It’s her right to not lower her male T, but then she can’t compete. Read more about 46 XY 5 ARD. These people can father children with their semen. One of the intersex athletes who medalled at that Olympics has since come out in agreement that athletes with male DSDs should not compete in the female category.
Olympics are for athletes if Caster is not competing who ever wins should know that she didn’t beat the best of them all and she didn’t win against Caster according to me that’s not a win 🥇. Don’t cry be the best at your craft then you can beat everyone.
I suppose you could say that about every woman competing in every sport event since they were competing against men, therefore were not competing against the best.
@@bman342a Caster Semenya is not a man she is a black woman, you can try to cry 😭 about but the fact is that she is a woman and proudly black. She competed with other South African women to get where she was and no body complained and cried about it. When white supremacy cowards compete against her they cry because she is gifted. She is born that way and she is the best.
@@hatter9576 for not beating the best is racist, she was born that way and she didn’t take anything to enhance her body. Crying won’t help you to win against her she will always win 🥇 and she must not take anything to please anyone we are tired of whites trying to control us.
Michael Phelps: Naturally has a disproportionately vast wingspan, double jointed ankles and elbows, vastly high lung capacity and produces half the lactic acid of his competitors Men: He’s genetically gifted! He was born to swim! Caster Semenya: Naturally has a higher level of testosterone Men: She’s not eligible to compete, ban her now!
@@Eskom_SA and the f****d up part is that she comes from the villages and probably only realised her talent by running to a school that is kilometers away unlike this girl who probably did track to get out of "detention" 😒
Caster Semenya is a champion, but lets be brutally honest, they are an intersex person, which mean they have a naturally unfair advantage in an all-female race. I fully support Caster competing, but it needs to be fair for everyone.
@@messi9991 She's not man enough to compete with a man. You really have to be a man, trust me. Have you seen a transgender men (a woman that "turned" into man) trying to compete in men's division. It never happens, just the opposite. The things out here are not easy, even within us
That’s bullshit Caster was born that way and she is a woman, she was born that and they should accept that they can’t beat her. Why you don’t talk about Michael Phelps of being unfair for being who he is. Caster is a black woman and she should be treated like that and compete with the rest of the women around the world.
Semenya is male intersex. internal testes, no ovaries, no uterus and 3 times the level of Testosterone then expected in women. This is not fair. Semenya should not be allowed to compete with women. Of course this athlete is in tears. She knows no matter how hard she or the other biological females train they will never beat the intersex males or the trans women ie biological males. They know right from the start who is going to win. IF this is allowed to continue women's sports are over.
Testosterone is not factor, if thats the case, that means every man could beat a woman in a race. Training and diet has more to do with sports. I can beat my husband in a race, when I was preggo I was still faster then him. That's because I do cardio and weight lift.
Carol D'AMICIS is she a man though? They’ve claimed she’s a natural woman. But I suspect the IOC know she’s doping or wasn’t born a man but don’t have the integrity to say so due to cancerous liberalism
@@pippo-1073 This has nothing to do with liberalism , this has to do with patriarchy ! A baby was born with DSD Disorder of sexual development. Africa's Athletics knew about this in 2011. they were instrumental in not revealing this condition. in fact the 3 top runners who were 1st 2nd 3rd were all DSD. And all won medals. This is systemic cheating ! The fact they have xy chromosomes means they are males with DSD , Not Females with DSD , Sex is binary = 2 sexes Male and female of human beings . Take your ridiculous politicized BS and Fuck off !
Really bad interview, full of leading and loaded questions. Semenya can only be who she is, and run her best. Which was better than than these moaners.
I heard this same whining when Serena Williams, Tiger Woods, Simone Biles, Usain Bolt and Michael Jordan kept winning. Get over it! Some people are just better. Stop making excuses and improve your skills.
This is MUCH different than the transgendered issue. My opinion is no transgendered should be in a female event. But Caster Semenya is a born female with genetic and biological differences. Her sex organ is female. She has advantages but those are different than those of the trans.
@@borisbobowski628 incorrect. Everyone with XY chromosomes is male, genetically. Sure, they can identify as female just like any other XY can, but that is irrelevant when discussing Olympic racing.
Devastating. Bio males should stay in their own lane, both in races and in sexes. I feel for this woman. Hopefully we don't lose women's sports to freako men that are too weak and self-absorbed to compete with their own sex. Good interview.
@@arianareeves3042 she does have xy chromosomes but is also intersex. Plus she has always identified as female. She isnt transgender in which biological men compete against women. I would agree that this would be cheating but I think Semenya has been harshly treated
@@arianareeves3042 as a South African who knows Caster and her upbringing, her character and who she is as a person, it's crazy how strangers will judge her and call her all these things because of something she didn't choose. Her case is a tough one, but she definitely isn't a freako-man, weak nor is she self-absorbed. I know my comment isn't going to matter one year later, but I just hope you've grown and have made less statements out of ignorance.
@@walterfrancis6896 The first 3 have been banned because they were all XY intersex. Aka Males that were misdiagnosed as females because of Ambiguous genitalee.
@@walterfrancis6896 It is male pseudohermaphroditism. It is a general group that consists of multiple diseases, one of which is 5-alpha reductase deficiency which Caster was affected with.
I don’t know how Semenya is ok knowing he’s a man, with a huge advantage, thus he was able to beat women. How could he rejoice?? How can he feel pride and comfort in winning!!
Even if the "champion" is an outright MAN who was allowed to compete against women. These medalists-Caster Semenya, Margaret Wambui, and Francine Niyonsaba-are in fact males. It was this brazen fraud in the Rio Olympics which forced the IOC to lower the testosterone limits.
I don't understand... Caster is a woman, she hasn't doped or cheated in anyway so... yes she naturally has higher levels of testosteron but is that her fault? What's the issue here?
@@kai-jm7bb Being a woman has nothing to do with chromosomes, how would it be possible that women existed millenia before we knew chromosomes even existed? Caster has a biological advantage, like most athletes do, and that doesn't take anything from her victories
@@kai-jm7bb so you have no answer, right? Science and biology have said for long time that gender has nothing to do with them. Women existed long before chromosomes were even discovered. Women like Caster were always considered women, so let's not erase the reality of what being a woman is. Stop the mysoginy.
her lack of sportsmanship toward caster and her self-victimisation is so frustrating. her and other competitors not only refused to see her as a woman, they also refused to see her as a person who struggled and worked JUST AS HARD to achieve what she achieved. i understand lynsey's emotions were running high and i think she ran well, but we don't need to be crying in the comments like children on her behalf. at this point in time caster had been through more pain and humiliation than she could ever understand
This was supposed to be a race for females. Caster is not biologically female. The CAS eventually used common sense and ruled that the biological males could no longer run against females unless they also lowered their testosterone levels to a range ONLY THREE TIMES AS HIGH AS FEMALES. So having only a triple testosterone level advantage wasn't enough so the males stopped running, leaving the races to finally be female only. THANK YOU CAS!
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII Funny, they said the same about Serena Williams after she WHOOPED and CONTINUED to WHOOP all of the so-called "elite" tennis players. Anytime we're better we're called men. Watch out . . . your insecurities are showing.
@@zanettaallen73 They said the same thing when Serena Williams was kicking everyone's butts in tennis. She spent years being the most random drug tested athlete in sports. Oh, they also called her a man. Why? She beat all of the envelopeans. So yeah, race has a lot to do with it. No one said anything about Michael Phelps and his unfair advantage. I wonder why?
@@chadleywenn648 I am not a fan of Serena Williams but I respect her as a professional woman athlete.. Serena Williams is a woman not a bloke pretending to be a woman. End of story.
If Castor Semenya was born a male, then started taking female hormone injections I would agree with the call of injustice. But that’s not the case here. From everything I heard about the rigorous examinations that she has been subjected to only for them to acknowledge what her and her family has been explaining all along. That she is a true transgender person.
