Supposedly it was added when the M2 full auto carbine came out. Just to let guys know they were empty and keep from pulling the trigger on an empty chamber.
I don't care if the weapon is empty or there was a malfunction. I'll assume it's empty. If it's a malfunction, well, I had to strip the magazine anyway so no big loss.
@@hairlessharescrambler56 or a dead round, or a malfunction this way they don't just pull bolt back try to fire again. in a firefight you might not pay attention to whether a round is extracted or not.
Its not for a problem that never existed, it gives you indication in high stress environments that your mag is empty. Which, I know for me personally it definitely shortens my reload time lmao
Well I’ll be honest who is using an m1 carbine anymore and when did the newer type of magazines start becoming a thing. If it was post ww2 like during the Korean War that would make sense as the carbine was being distributed all over the world due to US involvement in conflicts like the Korean and Vietnam war but also the sale of military surplus to civilians and weapons to countries to militaries. Only the Brazilian BOPE and Indonesian police still really use them and even then when there are enough AR-15s to arm all of the state of New York with some people getting more than one rifle or “pistol”
Just did a complete rebuild for an older gent,he had both mag types. One of the nicer M-1's I've encountered over 20 years of tinkering. Meter and Switch Co.
Actually, it is a very important feature. I had many hammer drops on empty chambers. With that, you will feel that the bolt doesn't close, even without seeing it and you know immediately when to reload. (or you are in a battle situation and don't feel it).
m1 carbine is one of my favorite obscure or less known about weapons. it literally pioneered the term carbine, but it doesn't get the recognition it deserves because *MAH M1 GARAND GO PING!*
I prefer Yugo bolt hold open mags for my AK because you can feel the bolt lock to the rear after firing the last shot. This is nice so I don’t look like an idiot at the range when I go to pull the trigger on an empty chamber and hear that ‘click.’
I guess if you have just enough time, you recognize the magazine is empty, press in the button, and then load a new magazine and pull the bolt back. But in combat it probably is more useful for telling you that it's time to drop the magazine, and then you pull the bolt all the way back.
Favorite gun I got in the collection and mine is my Grandpas from WW2 he was an engineer with the red ball unit, later went on to save Los Angeles from flooding when he got back. These rifles have a lot of character and practically in them for sure!❤
Yeah we changed out the followers in our new mags for our Carbine we've had in the fam for years and years. Exactly due to this reason, was never meant to stay open. Except for inspection. Which is why the manual hold is there. Good stuff man, best wishes! Love my 30 call.
There are two solutions to the problem, if you really consider it a problem. #1. Is to try and find the late type follower and get one for each 15 round magazine you have. #2. Is to take out the early type follower from the magazine, use a Dremel tool with a cutoff wheel and cut the ramped portion of the follower off so that the bolt will stay open after the last round. There is a third option, just live with it the way it is.
You’d be shocked at how many soldiers were caught repeatedly pulling the trigger with an empty magazine. That’s why they took the full auto mode off of the original M16s. There were soldiers in Vietnam holding down their trigger for literal minutes, having no idea they were out of ammo. I honestly bet that they added the mag bolt stop to make it more obvious that soldiers were out of ammo in the fog of war.
If you think your bolt staying open would be more obvious than, recoil stopping ,your bolt stopping from cycling like a door slamming in your face and the lack of fire and fury you were experiencing from the muzzle of your rifle. Then I'm more confused than you are.
@@appalachianamerican1776 Potential adrenaline and/or instinct to fight or flee, maybe other factors such as ambush panic and other things. In my opinion, our bodies get ourselves killed just as much as they help us stay alive
@@noonedude101 right but having a total mental/sensory overload and just pulling the trigger wouldn't be overcome by a locked bolt when everything else failed to get them self aware once again.
@@georgepoggington4896 I understand why it happens my point is a bolt hold open would have no effect on bringing their mind back to the fight when all that stimuli has failed too.
I bought 2 along with the M1 Garand back in 92. From a pawn shop. I paid $250 for the M1. Lady said it was broken. Sent it to my dad and I got it back 3 weeks later in full working order. I love all 3 of those rifles. Still in my gun safe today. They will all go to my son when I pass on
I always thought the M1 Carbine had great potential if they had made it standard issue with a pistol grip and a smaller bullet from 7.62 to 6mm. It's only a dream
The bolt locking back is valuable. It allows you to feel and see that your weapon is empty. Some people charge their weapons after a reload by habit, which isn't a bad idea. It's not a solution to a problem that never existed, it's a feature that's important for reasons besides what you imagined.
Two schools of thought on the bolt. If it remains open, you can't threaten to shoot the next enemy. If it is closed, you can bluff. And you can always tell if your bolt has closed on an empty chamber, if you are paying attention to the sound and feel of it. Arguably, the open bolt telling the enemy "he's out now" is more dangerous.
M1… my 3rd rifle I’ve owned… I bought it in 1978-79 at at Tamiami Gunshop here in Miami… I remember they had racks of them all over the floors including bunch of SKS and the M1’s I was 18… the rifle had a greenish tone to it…I give it to my uncle like early 80’s for his new Boat firearm… fast forward to 2020… I visit my uncle on the line from Florida and Georgia on my way to Tenn… after dinner that night we talked about family among other stories…I ask him, do you still have that LLAMA pistol you used to carry at the gas station… he walk into the bedroom and came out not only with the LLAMA but the M1 I’ve given him almost 50 years earlier… I said… oh my God you still have it??? Does it work….around midge went up to the front door open it and fire like 4/5 rounds and said… I’m 87 years old, I want you to have it… I was the happiest SOB that night… we went to sleep and the next morning I told him , Uncle Kiki keep it here and on the way I’ll pick it up… we got a storm on the way back and came straight back home to Miami… I told him on the phone that I will come up in two weeks to pick up the M1 i given him years ago… my uncle dyed a week later and when I ask his wife for the rifle and even offered to buy it from her she told me her son-in-law already had it…it was not the rifle I wanted…it was a piece of my uncle and me…😢 I still feel the pain knowing my uncle will be very disappointed… sorry about the long story but it hurts 😢
It’s a benefit to have the magazine follower as an improvised bolt catch because anyone whose shot rifles for a while knows that there is a significantly different feeling recoil when the bolt locks to the rear vs when it goes forward
Having served in the military, and having quite a bit of experience with AK-style rifles. I can tell from personal experience that the inability differentiate by feel between the last round from a magazine being fired, and any other round being fired is not a "problem that never existed". If you find out that your gun is empty by it going click when you're expecting a bang... that's not ideal.
I remember playing Call of duty world at war and when the carbine fired its last round the bolt held itself open, Usually they got most of the gun reloads right but theres one that's wrong, Neat
Interesting side note: If you're using the 30rnd magazines in a M-1 carbine, you'll notice that after using a specific magazine 20-30 times, you'll start to have magazine retention or loading issues. Look at the magazine lock notches and you will see that they are worn. The 30rnd mags were intended for use with the select fire M-2 Carbine. Get a M-2 magazine release and you're problems are solved. The 30rnd mag has a 3rd retention notch on the side of the mag that is held in place by a tab on the mag release. Helps protection the retention notches from the added weight of 30 vs. 15 rounds.
See this sort of thing with Yugo mags for AK's. There's a few advantages here. First being that you for sure know when the gun is empty. Second being that holding the chamber open after a fully automatic mag dump allows quite a lot of cooling to occur as you reach to reload the rifle.
A last round BHO magazine can still be useful even if it doesnt keep the bolt open when removed. Mainly it lets you know that youre out of ammo obviously but it's also going to keep you from firing on an empty chamber which in turn may make your firing pin past longer. We all know the fuddlore behind dry firing and all but there is truth behind it, especially with older firearms. Basically, only useful for sparing your firing pin that little bit of stress and giving you a visual indicator youre out of ammo BUT those are still useful things nonetheless.
They knew people have a tendency to rack the bolt on a loaded chamber anyway, during a stressful situation. Ive seen it many times in videos where cops will rack the slide and eject a fresh round.
With the magazine that keeps the chamber open, you're able to reload the magazine using clips of bullets, that's why it's designed like this. Clips of bullets weigh less than magazines full of bullets and were more commonly used.
My dad fired the carbine when he was in the army in the 50s (post Korea). He thought it was crap too. I like it, but I'm not using it like your grandfather did. Nobody is shooting at me!
I guess you could do a sort of Iraqi reload using the modern mag. Since the mag holds the bolt back, grab the bolt with your eight hand and hold it against your shoulder while you insert a new mag with your left. Kinda poi less though, and that mag will eventually get a hole worn into it and cause you problems. I'd rather have the OG GI mags. The M1 Carbine is one of my favorite guns.
It's the same with Yugo AK mags. They will hold the bolt back on an empty mag as long as it's in the gun. I suppose it is useful to the shooter to know when the mag is empty and not waste time trying to shoot at something and hoping. It might save a few seconds getting re-engaged. Or it might not.
I don't think it's a "solution never existed". It's nice to know when you are out instead of pulling the trigger and nothing happens. Can be pretty scary in emergency situations.
Stripper clip bandoliers were utilized to reload the magazine while in the gun… pulling the mag and switching it out was not the choice method of reloading… stripper bandoliers were preferred to save weight… the process was explained to me by my father.
Well, the problem, closing on an empty chamber, IS real, the magazine with the cutout is a partial solution to the problem. The problem, in actual combat is that a soldier could think he still has ammunition and attempt to fore an empty rifle at an importune time. The modified magazine prevents that, but does not provide the best way to load a semi-auto rifle. The M1 carbine is a great rifle, but not without flaws. FWIW, the AK 47 and AKM had the same issue and were perhaps the most produced combat rifle ever.
It doesn’t exist to speed up the reload by holding the bolt open, it exists to serve as an indicator of an empty magazine; thereby speeding the response to said condition. The reload procedure would be the same even if the bolt magically stayed open when empty because the charging handle still needs to be pulled to release it. During range time, this is a safety feature that allows the sh00ter to visually check that the chamber is clear without having to rack the bolt thereby limiting the opportunity of mishandling and flagging the firing line.
The problem is that in combat, a solder may keep pulling the trigger thinking he is still firing. The stress of combat is like nothing else. If the bolt is held open on the last shot, it helps the soldier realize he needs to reload.
the bolt holding open is, at the very least, a very good visual/tactile indicator that nothing is going to happen if you pull the trigger again. you know the state of the gun has changed without having to waste time pulling the trigger only to find out that you're out of rounds.
Mag locks back the bolt so one hand can reach the bolt with the thumb, hold the bolt back and use the index finger to drop the mag and the other hand to grab and insert new mag. Helps if the butt of the stock is pushing against the thigh/groin area Meant to be similar to the Garand I’m assuming.
If you're brave, you might consider drilling. A second hole for that pin where the mag stop is located. Or just change the clip. Awareness is more helpful than guessing.
And this just proves that lwtting a bolt or slide slam home on a empty chamber doesnt hurt the gun 1 bit. This gun is almost 100 years old and has been slaming home on an empty chamber its whole life and still works perfectly.
The AK-47 and Ruger 10/22 function the exact same way. No hold open after the last round. The bolt closes on an empty chamber. Millions of those two models and they’re both known for reliability.
It depends. With a nicely tuned 1911 you will batter the barrel lugs. This is a military gun not designed for precision accuracy. There’s no real reason to slam the bolt or slide home on empty with most guns.
Seems like the follower is the only difference. WA doesn't ban modifying magazines in ways that doesn't increase their capacity above 10, so just buying (or printing) a new follower should get you what you want. Interestingly, our legislators are such idiots they can't even ban mags correctly; since your 30s are already ”high capacity” and grandfathered, you can even modify them to be 100rd drums legally, because there's no such legal definition as "highER capacity".
No, if it hold open after the last shot. The shooter will feel and see that he is out of ammo, and know it's time to change his mag. And then he can do so. And not waste time trying to aim down on a target and get a click and no boom. In combat it is absolutely critical to know when you need to reload. So this absolutely fill a problem that did exist and is solved by these newer mags. You just have no experience
@@omarloveridge3161 doesn't look like it. But by the bolt locking back by the mag follower. Is letting the shooter l ow he is out of ammo. That is critical information. He'll have to most like recharge the bolt after. But he will be reloaded. And that's the nost important part
The m1 garand doesn't have a box mag when It was designed it has a clip that Flys out when the last round is shot. For the carbine they just shorten the rifle and put a whole on the bottom to accept said mag. Meaning the bolt is virtually the same.
Pretty sure they did that so the soldier could easily tell that he’s out of ammo and not that there’s a mechanical malfunction. How many soldier do you think were shooting, then the gun stopped shooting so they pull the bolt, doesn’t shoot again, then they realize they are out, and reload?
Surprised that video games don’t use that for flashy reloads. Pop the bolt open on an empty and lock it to the rear as your character commits to the reload and then a tasteful flick of the charging handle and it slams home with a satisfying click.
