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As for me if I have to buy one now I will settle for the 16inch with 10core and 32gigs Ram and 32gigs of graphics. Africans are always left out with releases of tech if u don't have any family member in abroad all a friend in the US before those tech will reach Africa then its been a year or two before the tech shops get it. I will be happy to get hands on one. This time I pray someone from Africa wins the giveaway if not me. Its good the giveaway is not limited only in the US.
Any chance you can list the full specification of the Macbooks you're using (CPU, Memory, and GPU) in the description? We can tell by price currently since you've listed it in this video, but couldn't find the GPU spec for your recent excellent RAM comparison vid. TY!
I thank you guys for all the testing but I really wish we could do more comparisons beyond FCP and 3D renderings. The majority of 3D programs really only care about processing power and don't utilize the GPU's as much. So beyond thermal throttling they are going to be almost identical every time. What NEEDS to be tested is After Effects. That's where we are going to see the biggest difference and NOBODY is doing that comparison. It would also be nice to see some Premier testing as a lot of people live in Adobe's universe.
The verdict is little bit unfair, since the $3500 model does not only have more GPU cores but also 16GB more unified memory and 512GB more SSD. If we customize the base model to match the $3500 model except for CPU, the price difference is only $400, so paying about 15% more to get 35%-50% more in performance is not bad at all.
The 1 T 14inch 16gb M1 pro is $2500....3500 for the 32 core M1 max. What are you saying? That's what's being compared... are you saying he should compare the 24 core?
The fact that a $600 increase doesn't yield any boost in performance means that the base 16" M1 Pro is really fantastic and a much better value for money than the $3500 model. IMO you are far better off using the base M1 Pro unless your workflow massively benefits from the GPU and RAM increase. Use the spare money for a fantastic second or even third screen plus other great accessories and still have some money left.
I think what’s being missed in a lot of these battery life tests is that the M1 Max is completing a lot more work while on battery than the M1 Pro in a given duration of time. Sure, at full throttle for 30 minutes it’s going to drain more battery side by side. But in real life it will complete these tasks faster and thus, won’t require as much time at full throttle… did that make sense? 🤔
Yes but that's probably in gpu tasks. How much is drain in regular tasks is also worth noting. I'll trade performance for battery life if I'm using performance. But if I'm trading battery life significantly even during reg tasks that's disappointing.
@@zt9233 Good point! Have you come across any battery life tests during reg tasks you can link? I use my macbook for photo/video editing at times but also loads of reg tasks - emails zzz, conf calls etc etc. I'd take a hit on performance on the go for better battery life on reg tasks, given I'll still most likely edit at home on the big screen 27" iMac for the majority of time (can't beat that screen size for colour work tbh)
I agree - if you want to compare battery life - compare it with same exact things - running a game on 120fps will obviously use a lot more energy than on 60fps
@Sami Smith I have come across two. The verge but that one provides little details. The other is tech chap and there the m1 max is about 9hr and 20min give or take vs 11hr for m1 pro. In intense tasks the hit is more significant about 3hr vs about 6hr.
Nice comparison. Honestly watching all these comparisons for the 14, it’s looking like the base 14” binned with a 1TB SSD is the move. Most bang for your buck. 16” is the move if you want more screen real estate, battery, and sound. But as far as internals go, base chip, base ram. spend the money on SSD.
Yes! I wonder if the 24 core can actually have the full wattage it needs and not thermally throttle under 100% system load and it still has double the encoders. Sounds like it might be a winner!
@22:00 56% performance improvement is actually massive. People pay up to a few thousand dollars for a discrete GPU that can offer a similar performance improvement.
Yep, they need to understand that it is just unrealistic to assume perfect scaling in regards to core count or price. It is pretty normal to pay much more for the last bit of highend performance.
56% does not actually stack up in real life tests. It only makes about a 15% speed difference and almost no difference at all when actually multi tasking
@@bluetradesgreen this is specifically about the difference between Pro and Max in gpu based 3D rendering. If there’s no other bottleneck present, the Max beats the Pro handily in this specific task.
it's not just in life, Apple has always placed premium prices on higher end systems, openly admitted their margins are higher on high end systems at times.
@@thejokesonlife3745 wish I had when the word was M$ was going to by Apple outright in the 90s. I still believed back then! I'd be a wealth man now if I'd borrowed a few $100K put them into Apple stock. Tesla ditto called it a few hrs ago hen they succeeded in scaling to Model 3.
The max was nearly doing doubling the performance in the benchmarks. Of course the energy consumption was way higher and battery drainage faster. But under normal workload without those extreme tests it could be much closer. For me ordering with big ssd and ram the cost from the pro to minor is just 12 percent but I gain 40 to 100 percent boost in performance.
Honestly the base 16" is looking like an excellent all arround laptop, for everyone. The screen, battery life, power ... It's actually very competitive.
Went with the 14” Max. Although I love the 16” it’s not just the MacBook size the extra you have to carry around; you also have the brick. But yeah, if size, weight and mobility is not an issue then the 16” hands down.
@@EzequielLFriscia was thinking the same thing, but brought the 16 because when im gonna travel theyre both going in a backpack so it doesnt really matter.
@scripteaze well in my case I have to take the bus and the metro everyday for at least 1 hour and a half. Even when I arrive I have to move it around all the time. Not everyone is the same. That’s why I said if mobility, size and weight is not a concern then the 16”
Yes, that's true but at the same time this is the best mobile performance available. I will be getting a max spec macbook (except for storage) not only because of the gpu cores, but also the neural, prores, and 2x faster unified memory. It may not be the most "stable" investment, because it will go down in value, but it will bring me value in the meantime letting me edit faster on the go
want to see the 24GPU compares with the M1Pro in real field using like FCP and the battery life. maybe the 24GPU Max's battery life is not as poor as the 32GPU one.
@@robynd6138 yes i am a apple fan. I like there products, what is wrong? Why you think that they are horrible company. Its a company like any other. What brand laptop you use, what brand smartpohone you use? They all want money. At least they do the macbooks with 100% recycle alu...
@@robynd6138 when was the last time I went on a video about windows to say dumb shit. Ah yes never because that is something either a fanboy or a poser would do. Find a mirror.
Your effort to carry out all these tests, and the fact that you were willing to get input from other experts are both highly commendable. Thank you for doing such extensive testing! I would like to share some additional thoughts, so here they are... During the video, it did seem to me that you are focusing your reaction(s)/conclusion(s) on the issue of whether or not the 32-core GPU is twice as fast as the 16-core GPU, rather than dealing with your original question. As all of your tests revealed, there are factors that affect overall performance beyond the number of GPU cores, so I wonder if that focus on expectations re: doubling GPU speed was needed. However, I will acknowledge that there may be a lot of viewers who may make the assumption that a 32-core GPU would have double the performance of a 16-core GPU, so I do feel that your tests did serve the purpose of dispelling those misconceptions/incorrect assumptions. Nevertheless, your original question was 'is the M1 Max worth $1,000 over the M1 Pro', which IMHO translates to 'will the extra $1,000 investment be worth it?', or 'will the extra $1,000 investment pay for itself?'. This shines a very different light on the results you got from the tests. Since "time is money" for those using a MBP in professional/business situations, even a 30% increase in rendering speeds, etc. may be signficant in some or many applications. It will be up to those who use the MBP in professional/business situations to do the math & determine if getting important tasks done more quickly will mean more projects completed in less time, which - in turn - would mean greater efficiency & higher profits. It is entirely possible that the $1,000 extra paid for the more expensive M1 Max (to get better performance) will pay for itself within the lifetime of the laptop, even if the results are supposedly 'disappointing' & don't meet expectations according to benchmarks. (Analogy: I pay $24,000 for a hybrid vehicle instead of buying a similar $16,000 gas-powered vehicle....a difference of $8,000. Even if the hybrid is only 20% percent more energy efficient than the gas-powered vehicle, that 20% improvement could translate to a significant reduction in energy costs, especially if I do a lot of driving. If I have a business that has me travelling long distances every week, it is possible that I will save far more than $8,000 in energy costs during the first year or two of owning the hybrid vehicle. In that sense, it would be worth the extra cost for the hybrid vehicle if I plan on keeping it for more than a year or two). Of course, the original question & analysis will have a very different context for those who purchase their MBP for non-professional/non-business purposes (hobby & general interest activities), but even then, time is valuable to us all, and the $1,000 extra paid for the M1 Max may be worth it for some people.
Also the conclusion that the 16c has worse battery life and louder fan noise is puzzling. They have the exact same battery, the M1 Max is using more power in exchange for better performance in these tests so of course it will use more battery and louder fans when maxing out the GPUs. Also it is only £300 cheaper to go for the Max if you’re already set on getting a 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAM.
So the $1000 difference is a 40% increase. In most of the tests I care about for video and photo work, the performance boost is more than 40%, even getting close to 60%. Seems worth it and like you said at the end, entirely dependent on budget and needs. I look at it from another perspective, if I can 10x my return, meaning gain enough productivity back to make 10x what I spent over the life of the product, then it's worth it. So if spending $1k means I can be efficient enough to have the time to land $10k worth of additional work then it's more than worth it. Thanks for the comparison!
@@fedstryale True, that $1000 is buying more than a SOC upgrade. And you have more memory bandwidth for external peripherals, SSDs and displays. Opens up a world of options. But the whole package of what $1000 is buying, a faster SSD, likely faster/more efficient memory usage, let alone double the capacity, and the SOC is all contributing to that performance boost
Great video as always! It raises the question in my mind if the 24 core might be the sweet spot if it doesn’t throttle as much or at all as the 32 core?
Having better performance lowers the time needed to complete the task. So on M1 Max you gonna complete your task faster (not the same time as was tested during the video). And that actually will lower battery usage on real life tasks (while M1 Pro drains battery for 20 min with M1 max you gonna be done in 10 min for example).
To answer your question on where it's worth the extra $1,000 or not -- to the average user, no.. to a business/professionals who use and will actually need the quicker rendering speeds, sure. It all depends on who's using it.
Yes! Finally, thank yo uso much for everything you constantly do for us I'm waiting for my M1 max 24 core 32 gb 1 tb so I'm really excited for the next comparison with the 24 core model!
Yeah havent seen much on that one. The update to max forcing a 900 dollar upgrade was just to rich for me and my usecase. Went for 1tb though. Btw on my old 2015 one i used the camera card (forget the name, not a photographer) for extra storage. It existed shorter camera cards with aluminium end which fitted the chassi. R these still available u think?
Thats the spec version i would get if I could afford it! seems like a solid option. get the extra memory bandwidth and a lil extra GPU power for only $200 more
Phew. I just grabbed the 14” one, they didn’t have the base model in the Apple Store. Sold out of those. I went with the 10 core CPU, 16 core M1 Pro GPU model with 1TB of Storage, and 16 GB of RAM. Looks like the M1 Max is not worth it then.
While I appreciate the video and 3D tests there is much more to being a creative pro. However, honestly, every content creator and channel are doing the same tests. How about tests doing large scale graphics with Photoshop PSB files? How does 16 vs 32 or 64 gigs of ram compare then? Applying effects to multi-layer Illustator files? Can you give real world examples that will allow graphic designers, digital artists and art directors to see how additional ram and Pro vs Max architecture perform in such everyday workflows.
Collaborations with full time graphics professionals and other computer intensive workflow practitioners can yield real-world test results that would benefit the channel and viewers
@@moya6923 I do a bit of everything: xcodes, design using abode suite, final cut pro, and also a bit of 3d rendering, and I need a fast machine to work on the go.
People should follow the advice that if you're torn between the 2, you don't need a max. High power users will know what they want(and hopefully are getting paid to work on this higher power). Everyone else better off with the base models, 16 inch if you care about the battery, thermals and fan noise. 14 if you don't and carry the laptop outside with you often.
30% decrease in battery but you can possibly get through your workload 30-60% faster, seems reasonable. Iv have the M1 Max 32gb 1tb for almost two weeks and it’s is a beast and the battery is only 10-15% worse than the pro in normal usage… that’s the cost of those extra cores being powered but when not in use (Netflix, safari, email etc). I am a professional videographer/photographer who shoots and edits every day and would say it’s not only a matter of your technical workflow but also your personal work style. I would prefer to sit down and power through a work load and be able to do it faster and thus not need as much battery and then get on with life so the max is great for me. Also when not working in pro apps I can just pop it in low power mode or god forbid plug it in for 30mins and get 50% battery left. This has turned into more of a battery rant lol just saying. Also I talked to a management level tech specialist at apple and they said that software and apps will start to optimized for the m1 pro and max now that they have them but of course that takes a little time with the machine. These are different optimizations than the ones they made for the m1 (that I also own and love but has essentially no GPU). I’m really excited to see what the real world usage will do once those m1 pro/max specific optimizations roll out. Also cameras are footage are getting crazier every year I feel it wouldn’t hurt to future proof. I can still return this computer and don’t mind using my m1 air (8/8/16gb) until Dec when I would get the pro, I use it through an LG 5K but I think I’m going to keep my max… the future looks bright for the max. Just my 2 cents, Amazing video as always!
While I admire your review, I think some of your logic is wrong when you say the M1 Max not worth $1000 upgrade. You don't pay double price for M1 Max model, why do you expect to get double performance? Don't forget if you upgrade the M1 Pro model to the same 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD, the price difference becomes only $400. And I believe the performance of upgraded M1 Pro won't change much from your testing model. Do you think $400 doesn't worth for average 30% performance gain? Of course for people who do little graphic/video stuff, they don't benefit much from M1 Max. They should stay with M1 pro or normal M1. But for people who really need the power, I think M1 Max worths it.
I fully agree with your comment : I checked and they're testing M1 Pro model with 32Go RAM so it's not 1000$ of diff with M1 Max. By the way I'm surprised that they don't say that it's M1 Pro 32Gb in the intro...
I wonder how would the M1 Max do on the CPU+GPU test if the Energy Mode was fixed to High Power, instead of Automatic, and/or connected with MagSafe to the 140W power adapter, instead of using only the battery, since running the fans at max didn’t give it better performance, maybe this could change the power envelope and allow so? Can you guys test this, please? Thanks!
That’s it… I assume that it can in fact sustain 100% combined workload (which is very unrealistic btw) when set to high power and plugged in. The M1 Max will take up 80w by itself, and that’s without the fans, display etc. No battery at that size is able to output that much…
I wonder if the sweet spot would end up being the 10c/24c 16” Max. Same size heat sink as the 32c with 8 fewer cores = quieter fan levels than the 32, + battery life somewhere in between the M1 Pro and 32c Max, but also potentially better performance in this stress test than the 32c due to (possibly) no or less thermal throttling?
Dylan, you are well informed. Would you help me configure a new MacBook Pro? I need to upgrade my antiquated 2010 MacBook Pro and I came to this video for guidance. I use my laptop for Photography and Illustrator projects and very rarely for video. I think the M1 Pro chip would be great for me. Budget isn't an issue but might as well be prudent too. Your recommendation would be a great help. Thank you.
Get the 32 coreinstead of the 24 core the is not much different in price . And the price difference between is tested machines is unreal becuase you have to count also teh 32 GB and the 1 TB in compare
Ordered mine. Before this video. A 16 base, but with 1tb. Its just too expansive to upgrade this time around. The currency conversion and higher asking orices makes it a really bad deal. My 2015 15 base was 1799….
Wow! Thank you guys for such extensive and thorough testing and coverage! Nobody else is doing the work you guys are, and I want you to know it's appreciated! Thanks again - and please keep them coming because you guys are in a position to really expose the nuances of differences between all the options Apple is giving us! Love you guys! Thank you again!
You don’t expect double GpU performance simply because M1 max have double gpu cores. Things doesn’t scale linearly. For users who need the fast export and rendering, those time saved with M1 max will justify the “tiny” initial cost paid one time
Maybe u right. But companies needing to cut render times cant be too interested in spending 5k in a laptop? A scalable mac pro on a server must be a better solution? Well se what apple release, but if not the hardware cant be scaled, upgraded or replaceable i just dont see how this is competive. With that said im getting one basemodel. But im not using one proffesionaly - its still just a laptop though - with really low value if upgraded. Its just not worth it.
You can’t compare battery life when doing stress test because the m1max is literally doing more work. I.e. completing each loop quicker than the m1pro, hence doing more work by either giving you more fps or by completing more loops for the amount of stress test time.
Correct. I was up to commenting the same. @Max Tech: you actually need to use real workloads like video editing, exporting with the same amount of "work" to be done in order to compare battery life
I have the 14" 10/24 32GB Max 1TB. I WAS going to get the 10/16 32GB Pro 512GB but realized that the jump between the two chips was massive and in terms of future proofing, so was increased SSD storage, as this vid illustrates. There is no option for 16GB with this chip but I'm looking forward to being proven right. 10/24 32GB 1TB appears to be the ideal configuration.
for 14" if you want the best performance, yeah. 32 core gpu would throttle like crazy on 14" model since even 16" model with larger heatsink has some thermal throttling issues.
I am very pleased with my new MBP M1 Pro 16 inch, 1 TB. Comparing to i9 MBP 2019 it is way much better and the MBP does not heat up nor throttling. Everything about it is amazing
@@94oGs I like it a lot, but I do regret slightly for not getting the extra RAM like 32 gb. My MBP have one problem (I haven’t visited Genius bar yet) when I listen to music I hear crackling sound, I tried many solutions and didn’t work. Good thing I purchased Apple care+.
@@rutkowski1490 you should never fall into the max out trap. all marketing and most people end up selling their maxed out hardware a couple years later to get the newest thing lol
@@rutkowski1490 i actually bought maxed out a few minutes after the event only to return it for something something i actually need and will use. These things are beast and i would have never used 32 gpu and 64 ram. Good on us aye
“It definitely gonna last longer because it doesn’t have all these GPU cores”, - is it though? I wonder if there is an impact on battery from M1 Max in real word usage. It is obvious, that stress testing will result in a faster battery consumption, but you are getting more scores and more frames for it. How does it compare in the real word?
the faster SSD speeds in the 1TB drive will also make the processing faster overall as it uses swap files. Thus, get the 1TB SSD even if you are going for the cheaper model. It is worth the upgrade.
This video is wrong at so many levels. The major mistake committed was to expect double performance on the M1 max just because it has 2 times more GPU cores. In reality, most apps are limited by the CPU which, in case you forgot, is the same in both the M1 Max and M1 Pro. That's why you only see the 2 times performance in the GPU only tests. So, if the M1 Max was to deliver 2 times the performance of the M1 Pro, it should have been a 2 times faster SoC than the M1 Pro in BOTH the CPU and GPU, not just the GPU. But also, if the MCB Pro M1 Max was really 2 times better in performance, it would also be more than just 40% more expensive than the M1 Pro variant ($2500 vs $3500). Your analysis is flawed Max. Take a look at what you got. 100% more performance on the GPU benchmarks, and 30% more performance on the editing softwares. Tha's not too bad, considering the CPU in both chips is the same.
@@matatoto9805 Jesus! What am I recording with a red camera shooting movies with The Rock?!?! 😩🤣 I think I'm going 16 inch 1TB 16GB RAM 10 core for a whopping $2,980.65
Thanks! You save people a lot of money! Last comparison we need is M1 Max 32C vs M1 Max 24C vs M1 Pro 16C. Video Editing ProRes 10 bit 4:2:2 and Xcode Bench.
I guess the M1 Max is on the top of the performance curve, and it tapers quite a bit. Top machines have always come at a premium without performance scaling linearly. Interested in where the 24-core will land. Thanks for another solid comparison video.
I did see this coming, lots of your previous tests pointed into this direction! I did the right conclusion in ordering the base 16“ with 16GB Ram and 2TB SSD. That is the sweetspot, the most Bang for Buck, the best deal, however you want to call it. Thank you very much for all these reviews, it helped me a lot to make the right decision in the end🥳
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu few years back, my internal SSD in the macbook died. I lost everything on that computer (not so painful everything lived in the cloud too, in my case but still)
@@bulletproof8019 Not really because Maxtech tested 16 vs 32 Ram and it didn’t make any difference. You should check out that video, it was the reason why I choose against the 32GB version. Plus the 2GB SSD will be a lot faster than 1GB so Swap will work even better just in case.
Hope you guys do some 24 vs 32 core tests, and also interested to see 32 vs 64GB memory on those tests too. Wonder if it was it the temps that dropped the Max so much in some of these tests, or did low battery or running out of memory for it’s cores affect it?
@@tinasheroy honestly, the intel MacBooks were pretty steep, but considering we get a miniled display (a miniled display with half as many zones costs 4k from asus, just the display), and the performance from the M1, plus the work they put in on the speakers and battery life, there’s literally nothing that competes with these laptops. People love ripping on Apple, but never give them any credit and just assume they sell hot air
@@justsaying993 I’m writing this comment on the 16" max and I have all their products. No one has said anything bad about these laptops and people do give credit to Apple when it’s due even though a lot of their products are overpriced (XDR display stand) but something feels off about calling a £2K laptop, the best value for money laptop, especially for what most people want a laptop for. Just my opinion.
The M1 Pro 10CPU/16GPU is the perfect one. With that $1,000 you save against the M1 Max, a person can get a 1tb external nvme ssd, Ipad Mini, and 3yr extended apple care+ warranty for the macbook laptop.
The entry level 16" is the best buy BUT I do not recommend to anyone getting ONLY 512GB SSD. Not only it is slower then 1Terabyte but as the review said it WILL prolong the life of the SSD. Also and most importantly if you are planning to keep this machine for at least 3 years you'll definitely will need the extra storage simply because as the OS evolves and memory hungry apps appear the memory SWAP will be more heavily used so if you stay to be short on storage It WILL slow the performance so you'll be pressed to buy external storage and having to carrying it with you which will add to the already heavy weight of this machine. Also bear in mind you CANNOT upgrade the storage (at this moment unless the likes of OWC comes up with some solution) but don't count on that specially if you'll have extended warranty as it may/will void it. I have on order the base 16" with 1 Terabyte storage added. Can't wait to receive it.
I strongly disagree. I have been editing 20-30GB worth of photos from events on a 64GB iPad for 2 years. If you utilize cloud storage you just need enough local storage to upload the files and for all of your applications. 512GB is more than enough. I won’t even use half of that let alone 1TB. Cloud storage is also better because I can access and edit all of my photos from my phone, iPad, MacBook or literally any computer connected to the internet.
@@jjchockey Cloud storage is not free and you are more prone to file corruption. Try to access your cloud storage on a plane (provided it even has wi-fi on board) and add that cost. Any remote location you'll be locked out of your files and this happens a lot with photographers and videographers when doing work on Islands and countries with limited access to internet. Also the main point I made is regarding long term use as you may be aware you don't even get 512GB of storage out of the box as the OS will take a good chunk of it and future upgrades will only add to that reduction plus additional apps and media. If it works for you 512GB that's great but I can assure you even an average user will fill that up very quickly without relying on some sort of external storage either cloud(with its limitations) or external drive. And my other point is due to SWAP which most reviews already shown that the OS relies upon when you have 16GB of RAM to perform as fast as (almost) physical RAM. The fact YOU specifically do not need extra storage does not invalidate what I said and I stand by it for the average user who wishes to keep this machine working with good performance for 3 years or more. Also comparing iPad's with a work station like this there's no comparison. No one buys a $3000 laptop if they can do the same type of work out of an iPad unless you have that kind of money to spare which my comment was not directed too.
Can you do a video dedicated to Logic Pro and Audio Processing on the M1 , M1Pro and M1Max ? As someone working in the music industry, I can say that most musicians and Producers use Multisample Plug-ins .For example when I play live I use Omnisphare, Keyscape and Spitfire. Some of these can max your CPU out and they can sometimes take over 2 minutes to load all the samples.
Thank you for your videos of these several infos on m1Pro / Max. It's actually first day pick up in Thailand and I don't regret the decision to get 16 base model. It's Amazing mannnn!!!!
The 'basic' M1 Macbooks seem to be good enough for most people's usage. Why pay for something you really don't need when the binned 16gb 14" and the 16gb 10 core 16" are so good.
Regarding Blender rendering I think we need to keep in mind that you’re only using the CPU and not the GPU since there is no metal support yet but I’m hearing that will change with Blender 3.1. At that point I believe the extra GPU cores will show its advantages. Unfortunately we are still months away from that. Tough decision to make for sure lol. Seems the 16 core is definitely the best bang for the buck at this time. Thanks 🙏 for this great vid guys.
@@alienso28 seen some videos on blender testing - these r not by huge channels. The results vary alot from what i have seen. If its u livelyhood and u can afford one get the max, it should be 20% faster renders etc. For unreal engine the max can take away even more in loadout time compiling etc. The question im yet to see what happens when u connect it to a few monitors? Will the max be needed then?
@@alienso28 I’ve actually decided to hold off on the new M1 Pro and Max. CPU rendering is very good but GPU rendering can be so much more powerful but unfortunately Blender isn’t ready for that at this time and neither is Cinema4D with Octane or Redshift. I just saw a video this morning of a cgi artist (I won’t name him here because I don’t think I’m aloud too) but he tested the Max with 64 GPU against some dedicated GPUs and it was a bit disappointing. The closest it could match was the RTX 1080ti. Okay I know that’s a desktop GPU but still for 5k I expect a bit more. That’s just for CGI for other things the benchmarks are terrific. Apparently Octane X will be coming out with an update soon. If that shows improvements then I may reconsider. To be honest I just don’t know how good this GPU is at this time. It could turn out to be marvellous but at this time Blender which is what I use the most has faster CPU renders than when using GPU. I think this maybe solved with Blender 3.1 and it’s support of metal, which should be arriving in the Spring of 2022. Keeping fingers crossed 🤞.
Are you sure it’s not using the GPU? IStat menu shows GPU pinned during the Tug test and it’s faster on the M1 Max 16” while they have the same exact CPU’s.
Are you sure it’s not using the GPU? IStat menu shows GPU pinned during the Tug test and it’s faster on the M1 Max 16” while they have the same exact CPU’s.
FINALLY. YES. LOVE THIS CHANNEL. So. Pro vs max slim. But that $400 on 32GB ram is KILLER. I'd have to put 32GB ram on the Pro and 1TB. Which means that the max is only $400 ish off. Didn't win, so now I have to buy. ಥ__ಥ
No offense you MKBHD and the other larger YT’ers, but this channel is waaaay more useful than how many cool RED camera angles you can get. You purchase all the models and test them every which way, doing both benchmark and real world tests for creatives (and even gamers). This is legitimately useful info. If you ever started doing other tech eg cars, etc, you’ll become a juggernaut.
Did you try any of these tests while plugged in? It seems like an odd choice to do such heavy testing on battery alone. Most people doing such work will be sitting at a desk much of the time. Good to have battery testing for sure, but…yeah. Lol
MacBooks perform the same on battery and plugged in - that’s one of the main draws of using a Mac. Also, the tests were done on battery to show the differences in remaining battery power after a bank of tests were done. So, running these tests plugged in has no benefit to the tests being performed in this video.
@@mephotography9829 I would like to see more about this, and whether or not/how well high performance mode works while running on battery. Also, the lack of mention of which power mode this laptop was in (there are three power modes on the 16") is a bit of an oversight.
You do some really amazing reviews. All the tests you do are very revealing, and your enthusiasm is infectious. But I’m surprised by your conclusion. With your Max configuration, you’re getting twice the SSD storage, twice the ram, faster memory bandwidth, twice the GPU cores, and clear performance improvements. You’re judging the Max on your own expectations of performance (“if it has 2x the GPU cores, it should also have 2x the performance”) If you’re doing challenging pro video workflows, that 3 minute difference you found on one video render adds up when you’re doing them many times in one day. In my opinion, with 2x the RAM, 2x the storage and improved performance, and the time saving over many years of use, the Max is definitely worth the price differential.
Great comparison! Would love to see a similar test with the 16" Max (32 core) vs 16" Max (24 core). Also all three battery test for real world performance
Now that we know thanks to this video that the M1 PRO is the more worth. Could you make a VS on the 14' with the base binned 8CPU-14GPU, the normal 10CPU-14GPU and the full 10CPU-16GPU? To see which one is worth buying with the price upgrade. You're videos has solved every question I've had so far. That VS is the only remaining for me. Would be awesome
It’s a very interesting video however it would be good if it was a more apples to apples comparison. With the difference in the memory and hard drive, it’s difficult to isolate the weak points of the Max configuration system. Specifically for those that are purchasing and need a specific recommended configuration, it’s still difficult to know what combinations of CPU, GPU, memory are best. For example, it’s only $400 more to upgrade to the max chip. But is that the weak point or is it a ways to spend money for the 32 GPU, or 32 GB memory?
This tests are for people that have some knowledge about computer parts (know how do they influence results) and can make theirs own decision. It is imposibble to compare every single model but I guess there are videos with pure recommendations for amateurs.
I just check the activity monitor on my 2019 27” iMac with 64gb of ram and I’m using 50+ gb. So if I were to get a new MBP I’d be going with a 16” M1 max with 64gb of ram. Granted I also keep my machines for 6-8 years so I tend to get higher specked models so they perform better over the long term.
@@damara2268 i'm a developer. my setup consists of my 27" iMac with two external screens. I then have 18 to 20 apps open at any given time, ranging from browsers, IDEs for different code languages & databases, graphic design apps & team communication etc, etc, etc. I was surprised when I opened Activity monitor and saw that. Can't complain about the iMac though been a great machine. in the new year I'll be in the market for a new laptop to replace my aging 2015 15" MBP, but these new M1 Pro/Max machines are making me rethink my setup. :)
RU-vidrs are funny, for Mac Studio - say M1 Max is enough for Macbook Pro - say M1 Pro is enough for Macbook Pro 13 inch - say M1 is enough for Macbook Air - says iPad is enough for iPads - says it just bigger iphone for iPhone - says older is better I think they will lead us to Apple Watch 1st Generation (that is the enough computer for every need of every individual)
Max, Q. about throttling. Does the 32C Max also throttle down when plugged into the AC, instead of when running on battery? Would it be an interesting test when you have the 24C Max also? PS. Missed the Logic Pro test. Thanks!
my only issue with these tests, especially when in the video editing software is that you're using Final Cut which is optimized to work with the M1 chip better than any other software because its an apple product. And this isn't new as you guys demonstrated just how great it works with last years M1 Chips when comparing it to your much high spec'd mac pro or intel laptops. so i think its a bit unfair to assume you'd see that big of a difference when only using it to work with Final Cut. Would've liked to see you compare them in premiere especially because of the fact that most have said thats where having double the encoders will make the most difference. Or even compare them using davinci as well. just my two cents.
I think if they’re comparing apples to apples, using Final Cut could really show how much difference there is between the Pro and the Max, ideally… still adding Davinci Resolve would been great since it’s also well optimized and more cross-platform supported
1. How do you know if the full CPU + GPU test throttling is not by plugging/unplugging the power adapter? (though the chance is low) 2. Yes m1 pro lasts longer in the stress test, it also takes longer to get the job done. 3. The battery life under everyday work + some stressful test is unknown. So maybe m1 max can get your job done faster while still has decent battery life with reasonable fan noise.
@@tommornini2470 I heart the high power mode is just allowing the fan to spin faster. Nothing crazy though. I bought the 24 core M1 max, but I changed my mind to 32 core M1 max finally. I believe Apple will iterate the arm processor crazily in the following years, so if I buy the highest spec, I will persuade myself to use it one more year maybe...
@@immowang That’s the problem, everyone has “heard” what HPM does, but nothing official, and nobody on RU-vid that I’ve seen has tried benchmarking battery -vs- plugged in…
Good review - I would recommend to try these tests out again in a couple of months time when software might be upgraded to take advantage of the hardware - especially when the desktop versions using the M1 Pro/Max (the high end versions of iMac and Mac Mini) would also be released.
Something I'd love to see tested is a RAW panoramic HDR work flow tested in Lightroom with something like the Canon R5 or Sony A7R IV. I'm curious to see if this causes a spinning beach ball.
Although I really appreciate the thoroughness of your reviews, benchmarks don’t really reflect a realistic workday (in my case anyway). Try running Xcode, Premiere Pro, After Effects (the biggest RAM hog of all) and Unreal Engine simultaneously while switching from one to another for a whole day. Betcha that M1 Max with 64gb of RAM will shine, and not be pushed to the limit as much as an M1 Pro would with fans whirring overdrive. The idea for the long term is to have breathing room as far as capability is concerned. A system pushed to 80% of its limits day in day out will probably last a lot less than one in a 50-60% comfort zone. Just a thought.
@@almcl9391 I’m curious if the 24 may be a sweet spot for the Max chip. Judging by this video it probably won’t work much better than the Pro chip but for a $200 upgrade it gives you the ability to use more than 2 extra screens, automatic 32 ram and everything else that comes with the Max chip. Not bad for $200 in my opinion. We will see.
