Mac Pro 2023 Teardown: It’s Grate!!!

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Like a fine wine, the Mac Pro has aged nicely, and pairs well with cheese-more on that soon. But this year’s recycled aluminum tower also suffers from a pairing we hate: parts pairing. The $7,000 question is: is the rest still modular?
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00:00 iFixit's 2023 Mac Pro Teardown
00:20 Opening the 2023 Mac Pro
00:41 The 2023 Mac Pro's SSD slots
00:54 Comparing the 2023 Mac Pro's SSD to the M2 Mac Studio's
01:07 Removing the 2023 Mac Pro's Expansion Cards
01:26 Removing the 2023 Mac Pro's Power Supply
01:35 Removing the 2023 Mac Pro's Fan
01:47 Removing the 2023 Mac Pro's Heat Sink
02:10 Removing the 2023 Mac Pro's Logic Board
02:49 How well does the 2023 Mac Pro grate cheese?
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@sanekibeko Год назад

They really locked this one down. 7000 bucks for a cheese grater you can't upgrade.

@shapelessed Год назад

You know what's funnier? The CPU they put inside it has a measily 24 PCIe lanes... They have multiple x8 and x16 slots, but there are only two PCIe busses, one x16 and one x8 all split up through PCIe switches. For some context, I've got a 3rd gen Ryzen 7 PC and that thing has 24...

@jjoonathan7178 Год назад

Ahhhhh! Why does apple tease us so? They have such brilliant mechanical design... to make it easy to do upgrades that you can't actually do! Ugh.

@reboxtherapy Год назад

@@jjoonathan7178 they want other companies to produce better full tower ARM alternatives

@SeanTube2099 Год назад

I thought it had 7 PCI slots!?!?

@quantuminfinity4260 Год назад

@@shapelessedIn practice it probably won’t matter to much most of the time, they are Gen 4 lanes and mostly for audio add ins, the only thing it supports that could use a lot of PCI-E bandwidth would be NVME drives in a configuration you would not likely use a MacPro for and instead an external NAS anyway. It’s mostly for audio and network cards that can easily manage full speed with a tiny handful of Gen 4 lanes.

@AutumnRain Год назад

finally, mac and cheese. now this is the type of tech journalism i like to see

@fwheels7776 Год назад

Underrated comment. Kinda cheesy though. Gouda done better.

@redstone0234 Год назад

iFixit is the only outlet to test a 7000$ cheese-grater that is Incidentally a computer 10/10

@shawnsyville Год назад

@@fwheels7776 I agree, he could’a done feta

@ricenova8 11 месяцев назад

iMac and iCheese

@ehrensto Год назад

Such a huge PCB for what is basically just a glorified PCIe expansion case... It looks really really weird.

@s8wc3 Год назад

The board design is insane, they would be using a board with a bunch of copper layers to fan out that BGA, which is expensive, ludicrously so at this size, and they're wasting most of it! You can tell the profit margin on this machine is out of this world, otherwise they wouldn't do that! They would have two boards, one with enough layers for the BGA and another with just enough for the rest, like they did with G5s.

@FlannelAficionado Год назад

My first reaction to the whole video didn't really come until Sam took the board out. I startled my dog yelling, "WHAT IS EVEN ON THE BOARD??? Maybe it's on the back?????? Nope."

@t.s.4494 Год назад

@@s8wc3 I don't see why they'd need a lot of layers. The reason the package is so big is that Apple used package-on-package DRAM; there's eight DRAM packages hiding under that heatspreader. (If you want to see this for yourself, wccftech recently posted an article with pictures of a delidded M2 Ultra.) Unlike similar Intel and AMD big packages, none of the DRAM signals (and there are a lot of them! 1024 bits wide, IIRC) have to leave the package. Only IO does, and I'd be surprised if there's more than 64 lanes total SERDES. That shouldn't be much of a problem to route out.

@winebartender6653 11 месяцев назад

@@t.s.4494ram is 64bit for ddr4/5 (though ddr5 has this split up into 2x32bit streams). And what you are describing is not how dram works at all from CPU to dram. The literal only difference here is that there isn't expandability. Sure, have soldered dram close to the SoC provides slightly lower latency, but beyond that, there is no difference (and certainly not anything a user or program would notice). This is blatantly done for $$$

@EfremPanagiotou Год назад

basically a big mac studio with expandabily but no upgradability no extra ram, no combatibility with GPUs and you can not upgrade the ssd because its firware locked.

@davenz000 Год назад

For people who have add in cards for specialist tasks / audio / video. Robot overlord interfaces.

@DrMacintosh Год назад

You actually can upgrade the boot SSDs, Apple sells upgrade/replacement kits on their store. You can also obviously add storage on PCIe cards (M.2, SATA, etc.) or with the Pegasus HDD caddy.

@williamburkholder769 Год назад

They didn't make this for PC lovers. Give up on that paradigm! The advantages of integration (All CPU, GPU, Neural Engine, and specialty processors for video, audio, and graphics integrated WITH shared memory onto the processor die) outweigh modularity for those components.) The fast solid state storage is, sadly, locked to the system, BUT you can add SSD cards to the PCI slots! This is basically a Mac Studio Ultra with slots that allow you to connect all sorts of outboard video editing gear, robotic devices, and other exotic components. It does not need graphics expandability... LOOK AT THE SPECS. 60 or 76 graphics cores should be plenty for the expected life of this machine.

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

@@williamburkholder769 Wow. What an Apple 🐑. Just because Apple is screwing over consumers doesn't mean you should bend over to their anti-consumer practices!

@Pasi123 Год назад

@@williamburkholder769 The GPU isn't that fast when compared to what PCIe graphics cards are available today

@saurikTT Год назад

I would like to know how to repair the cheese after it has been scraped!

@charlessmith5465 Год назад

Defrag the cheese.

@justsomeguy5470 Год назад

Best you can do is recycle

@harrisonkwa3371 Год назад

What was the point of a desktop tower and all that space if you can't add anything to it or upgrade it

@jameswoll Год назад

Did you literally get the board out with only disconnecting TWO cables!??

@progenitor_amborella Год назад

Cojita cheese is supposed to be crumbley! It also doesn’t really melt, it makes some fun food :)

@Bimboms Год назад

I remember seeing these as a kid at Art Center College of Design. When I was told the price I thought, "I'll never own one of those." and I never have. hehe

@ethann_browne Год назад

Back when you could buy the base model, throw 2 Xeons and a Quadro in it, upgrade the RAM and add in a Raid 0 array of HDDs. 😉

@EyesOfByes Год назад

2:44 If Apple had bought Intel's Optane patents/IP they could have used that as persistent memory in some sort of dimm slots. If any company could have gotten full use of Optane's theoretical capabilities, it's Apple. Like, 6TB of persistent memory, all swapping would have happened on the Optane modules

@XenonG Год назад

Nah, they would integrate Optane onto the chip.

@2nd_bloxx Год назад

@@XenonG That is kinda not possible because of processes, but i agree, apple would not make it modular under any circumstances.

@Watchandlearn91 Год назад

I'm a software engineer/architect and at my work we have actually used optane as memory in some very high memory workloads (mainly scientific computing) where it was just way too expensive to buy all memory. I agree it would have been cool if Apple had done that so we could have actually had swappable memory in addition to the soldered on RAM. I'm no expert but from my understanding when you add enough Optane and present it to the OS like RAM, the actual RAM becomes a sort of cache for it. Would have been really neat.

@s0kulite Год назад

@@Watchandlearn91 you'd expect that at this price, techs with enough budget would just take the hit and pay for the memory modules as well...

@jlinwinter Год назад

Seeing cheese grated on the cheese grater is the best part of this video!!!

@danielmiecz909 Год назад

It’s worse it’s in a case that’s made to be upgraded but u can’t actually upgrade anything

@jotabe00 Год назад

It became more cheese grater and less computer.

@MrFastFox666 Год назад

As a non Apple User who hasn't ever paid attention to the Mac Pro, this makes my brain hurt. Why would you buy this over their Mac Mini Studio (or whatever it's called) if you can't upgrade it anyways?

@ConnorGriffinMusic Год назад

It’s basically just for users who require pci-e expansion slots for specific hardware. Otherwise it’s the same as a Mac Studio.

@bolttracks Год назад

@@ConnorGriffinMusicthe irony being that a lot of cards like ProTools HDX and SDI Capture cards work perfectly fine in external Thunderbolt enclosures, especially since the Studio already has a ton of TB4 ports

@jvnelvlam00n Год назад

For a user like me where the IO on the Mac Studio can seem limiting plus wanting more local storage on the machine itself (yes you can just throw in nvme cards)

@jvnelvlam00n Год назад

@@bolttracksand those take up space that this desktop can

@Wilderhaus23 Год назад

The main reason would be dust accumulation and easy access to internals. The Mac Studio will require a full disassembly every time you decide to clean the heat sink and psu from dust.

@DVincentW Год назад

Grating experience.

@eggnorman Год назад

What ruffles me the wrong way is the lack of support for MPX. I know we're moving away from add-in GPUs, but there are workloads that could still benefit from them in addition to the integrated GPU cluster on the M2 Ultra. Not to mention that an MPX module doesn't even have to be a GPU.

@ajkandy Год назад

Well...MPX was kind of a weird hack Apple did to get around the limitations of PCIe 3.0, using an additional connector to add lanes and carry video output over the Thunderbolt bus. Given that you can't use MPX in any other computer, and the number of computers with it was a relatively tiny fraction of a minority to begin with, it's not like manufacturers were lining up to support it. If Intel had had support for 4.0 at the time, Apple might have made some very different design decisions. That said, yeah, it'd be cool to be able to have some sort of M2 blade server type machine, or a derivative GPU-only chip, that could run in concert with a host Mac the same way they used to with Xgrid.

@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 Год назад

In what world are we moving away from add-in GPUs?

@SergioEduP Год назад

@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 In the "Apple" world they are

@KangJangkrik Год назад

Oh you forgot to grate coconut with it, I tried and the result is quite mindblowing (scratches)

@lachlanlau Год назад

2:49 also SSD pairing.. See iBoff's video on it.

@SpikeTiger Год назад

that cheese test really seals the deal!

@berbudy Год назад

Thank God someone did this

@freddiegagging6116 Год назад

Sam - Love the cheeses! It did take a bit of time for the older grater SSD options to show up, at ultra high costs! 3:56

@goobfilmcast4239 Год назад

Who knows what Apple will or won't "allow" on PCIe or other slots and connectors. The real problem seems to be bottlenecking. Unified memory helps overcomes those disadvantages but adding options to "offload" 3D rendering/Ray Tracing and other data intensive operations on specialty PCIe cards may be possible...hey, it CUDA happen in the future 🙂

@Matthew-yc6nx Год назад

Hehe very punny! Unfortunately it's unlikely given Apple and Nvidia's beef

@QUANTUMJOKER Год назад

It's a shame that unified memory, while very fast and efficient, can be a bit of a disadvantage if you have a small amount, or not enough for your workload. My M1 Mac Mini has 8 GB of unified memory, and engages in near-constant swap activity even with light-to-medium usage. My 2012 MacBook Pro has 16 GB of discrete RAM, my 2010 Mac Pro has 48 GB and my 2013 Mac Pro has a whopping 64 GB; while these computers use older, slower DDR3 memory, they have so much memory that the CPU and MacOS can take all they need with plenty to spare, and so almost never engage in swap activity.

@404ErrorNot_Found Год назад

love these vids

@wovkonstudios 6 месяцев назад

Finally, i have been waiting for a.vodep like this 😂

@Entamut Год назад

Apparently some products get repairability score some don’t. I wonder why…

@__alves_ 4 месяца назад

Last part is why I like u guys!

@KashifNawaz85 Год назад

So 4000 dollars just for a few PCIE slots. Typical Apple.

@jvnelvlam00n Год назад

Welcome to the workstation market buddy… it isnt about being affordable

@tannenguitar Год назад

You really made my day :) Very nice video :)

@Tjoeb123 Год назад

You also can't upgrade the SSD that comes with it.

@Pyracantic Год назад

I love this classy sarcasm that absolutely shits down apples throat 😂

@Hirens. Год назад

Keep up the good work!

@rexlpo Год назад

The end of clip is so so funny. Good one guys.

@SP4CEBAR Год назад

This is of the most interesting unboxing videos

@bolttracks Год назад

I was really really hoping for CPU cards like the 2009 Mac Pro… it seemed so feasible

@himynameisryan Год назад

Honestly, as both an apple and cheese fan, i can confirm i love this video

@shivarakesh5541 Год назад

Good video

@TechDove Год назад

If it's non upgradable and the Mac studio is a thing, why does this exist with all of that empty space?

@Jan-xf8sk Год назад

It's s just a STOPGAP product. Initially they planned to have an M2 "Extreme" card there (basically 2 fused M2 Ultras) and a secondary interface/hardware layer for DDR5 memory (in addition to the soldered memory on the SOC. But it took significant R&D and resources for them to hit timelines. Heck, even people inside Apple don't even want to release this thing. Tim Cook only greenlit this thing to "spiritually" complete their transition from Intel.

@Longlius 9 месяцев назад

It basically just exists because they want to completely retire the Intel Macs but some studios that use macs need PCIe slots for things like dedicated soundcards etc and so they need *something* that can fit that niche.

@blinkenlightsmagic Год назад

Just the right amount of cheesy - excellent! 😄 Thanks for the great review!

@barmaley_freeman Год назад

finally we found a use for the new MacPro 2023

@Collin_J Год назад

Grate overview!

Год назад

thats just what i wanted to see since it was anounced

@jamesdriver0317 Год назад

I heard that Apple sells Mac Pro SSD upgrades/replacements so it’s not like the Mac Studio.

@akeem2983 8 месяцев назад

Despite obvious limitations (that I hope are temporary), it's interesting to see a powerful ARM-based PC in a package similar to regular PC in ITX case

@pepotitti Год назад

GRATE😂

@idzkk Год назад

Mac studio in old mac pro case is possible Mod one can try

@SignedAdam Год назад

funny, I did crack a smile

@john_hind Год назад

Huge scope for third party enclosure kits here. The Pro box should fit an entire Mac Mini or even Studio inside and the Microchip PCI chip is presumably available to all. The difference Studio to Pro in cost is huge and in performance small to non-existent. Combine that with the ability to add flash storage without the Apple Tax and there is a whole lot of scope for making a nice profit whilst saving the consumer pots of cash!

@alfredbaxter1061 11 месяцев назад

It look nice and upgradeble

@AlfaRomeo128 Год назад

will you do a rack version of mac pro, ? PLEASE!!

@benskoppel4969 Год назад

Sorry, is there a Geekbench score for the Parmesan grate?

@SuperSmashDolls Год назад

I was personally hoping Apple would just give us like 16 DIMM slots on the back of the Pro lol

@divital Год назад

looks like its going to take a while, to clean them holes around the grating grid.

@isaiahaguilar5977 Год назад

You are doing the Lords work

@bakutools Год назад

the parts to peeling cheese. that's funny!

@Azreal34 Год назад

So the most important question: Who had to clean the case!?

@mintzbuck Год назад

Oh neat, there seems to be no power connectors on the thing, so if you do manage to find expansion cards that work with them, they have to be powered over the PCI bus. Or maybe there is one.

@xluumu Год назад

Yes, there are power connectors available.

@ethann_browne Год назад

@@xluumuprobably $99.95 extra...

@djtomoy Месяц назад

Haha, Grate!! I get it! 😎

@UntrackedEndorphins Год назад

The non upgradable RAM I can understand, its integrated in the processor. But the non upgradeable storage and locked down PCI-E? YIKES

@zoruaboy Год назад

The storage is actually upgradable. Apple sells the internal storage upgrade kits on their website. Only thing is, since Apple Silicon is kinda peculiar, you can only use Apple’s SSD’s, and you need to have a second Mac to reprogram the SSDs and get the Mac Pro to use them. Security, Device Integrity, all that… At least it isn’t totally locked down though

@youtube_bot839 Год назад

@@zoruaboyApple silicon is like any other ARM soc. Apple just likes making money and hating their costumers so they lock their ssd with proprietary firmware which is totally unnecessary.

@BaconFaceMcGee Год назад

Fancier than anything I’ll ever own 😩.

@cwhiten Год назад

Made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣 Mac and cheese hahahaha

@theradbagel Год назад

Only if this thing can game. It would be game changing

@accordinglyryan Год назад

No idea who this is for. A $3,000 premium over the Mac Studio which has identical hardware for...some PCIe slots you can't use with 90% of PCIe devices? What's the point?

@alanl9497 Год назад

Haha this is so tempting to do, I bet 😂😂

@Fincher123 Год назад

I like to have more Infos about the Fans! I mean they have compared to PC Fans overwhelming big hubs, but how great are they? Loudness, Air Pressure and so on.... Could i get one as spare and use them on my PWM Controller?

@Noah-Lach Год назад

Details are pretty sparse, unfortunately. They look to be 140mm fans based on the the product dimensions and some pixel peeping. An Apple interview from 2019 also seems to imply that they're optimized for airflow rather than static pressure, as one of the engineers called out the lack of dust filtration and wide heatsink fins as a way to reduce fan noise.

@Fincher123 Год назад

@@Noah-Lach Hey Thank you for this nice Information! I mostly like the Fan outer side of the Blades. That this is a wall which goes over the outside ob the Thing that sourrounds the whole Fan. Sorry iam lost for words kinda ;) Maybe the channel: Major Hardware gets sometimes such a fan to print with better Blades.

@Noah-Lach Год назад

@@Fincher123 You mean the shroud attached the the fan blades? I think that's a really neat idea for reducing turbulence. I know Noctua's Sterox fans are so quiet in part because the tolerance between the fan blades and the outer casing is extremely small. I guess Apple took another approach by just eliminating that "tolerance" altogether. Like you, I'm curious to know more about this interesting rather unique design and why it isn't been copied by any other fan manufacturers.

@MrGulliver Год назад

Hey look at me, im different!!! Hello radiator!

@michaellurie9138 Год назад

What about those 2 SATA connectors?

@GaryBeltz Год назад

Those are some big fans and a huge heatsink holy smokes

@-fazik-3713 Год назад

Mac&Cheese Grate! :D

@findefuchs Год назад

I´m looking forward for Apple Vision Pro teardown!!!👀👀👀

@jailsonsilva8537 Год назад

This is a Mac Studio with some PCI slots that the user never will use.

@IEJ7654321 Год назад

Reason why a lot of modular parts were removed because of the way apple silicon works. I would say unless you need a lot of pcie expansion, go with the mac studio.

@diefisem 11 месяцев назад

Hello, I wanted to know from you if there are substantial differences between 1Gb and 2Gb's storage of the Mac Pro? Can you tell me which one is better ... and If buying the Mac Pro with 1Gb of storage is a loss in performance... I'm referring to the original Apple storages, the ones you choose during the purchase. Grazie Maurizio 🙂

@Wilderhaus23 Год назад

There is room for two heat sinks on a duo cpu arm motherboard, that would have been great!

@AlvaroAvalos Год назад

Wow, Someone actually did it.

@marcosalano7769 Год назад

Using a 7k computer to grate cheese is humanity in its peak. I love it.

@imronibon867 Год назад

That's crazy

@PlutoTheSynth Год назад

Ok but how do tou get the cheese out of the holes

@TJ-vh2ps 3 месяца назад

Came for the cheese, stayed for the whine. ;^)

@frokfrdk Год назад

That board is soooo empty and sparse

@jondonnelly4831 Год назад

It's like HiFi gear that amstrad used to make in the 80s. Big box noting inside it but air.

@Comander555666 Год назад

trolollolol finally a video that gets my sentiments over such products

@digitalplayland 11 месяцев назад

Wow!!! Amazingzing! I'll buy two. I have a lot of cheese.

@javey742 Год назад

That's GRATE!!! For a $7000 Grater LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

@MrGamelover23 Год назад

Oh my God they're actually using it as a cheese grater 😂😂😂 I mean what else are you supposed to do?

@JSS75 10 месяцев назад

I can’t buy a Mac again until I can upgrade it, that goes for laptops too. Have a nice zephyrus that I’ve already upgraded the ram on and can do the ssd easily too.

@aziva3350 Год назад

that was Grate

@Felix_EN Год назад

What happened to being able to upgrade the old mac pro? I was expecting a platform upgrade, swop out the motherboard and bam you have apple silicone. Wtf

@NerdOrange Год назад

What Surprises me for a company that popularized personal computers Apple really takes the personal out of personal computer

@Cathay3520 Год назад

"mom can we have mac and cheese?" "we already have mac and cheese at home" mac and cheese at home:

@rubenoskam Год назад

🤓🤓🤓🤓

@Denuwu Год назад

So basically its a big macbook without a display overinflated price tag Rip pros that need more than 192gb of ram

@rorisxng Год назад

Teardown the Pixel Tablet next please

@ztechrepairs Год назад

When I have desktop/laptop repairs one of the main culprits is faulty memory. What makes apples soldered on memory so special to evade that outcome. Genuinely curious.

@zoruaboy Год назад

It’s integrated into the chip itself. The M2 Ultra is an SoC, so its all in one package vs RAM being separate from the CPU, GPU, etc.. It’s much less likely to fail.

@ztechrepairs Год назад

@@zoruaboy I really appreciate that thank you. Just taught me something new for the day

@PvtAnonymous Год назад

@@zoruaboy "it's much less likely to fail" uhhh where did you get this from? It has the exact same chance of failure as every other RAM module. Just because it's integrated into an SoC and shared between CPU and GPU doesn't make it more robust somehow. Thermal cycling, electromagnetic interference and overvoltage/-current can kill RAM, especially over time. Yes it can die, but it's not really a novelty in the Apple world, since RAM has been soldered on for around 8 years in many Mac products now.

@zoruaboy Год назад

@@PvtAnonymous the likely hood of all that happening is a lot less when it’s integrated, literally by nature of being integrated, vs in separate pieces. Good example would be how the T2 chip could sometimes crap out or the touchbar would freeze on an Intel MBP, but since it’s now all integrated, all being handled by the same package, there’s less chance of failure because there’s just less parts to worry about.

@user-lh4in4rx1f Год назад

@@zoruaboy ram chips is not "integrated", they simply soldered near the cpu. It is still 2 separate chips.

@krishnansrinivasan830 Год назад

Fun :)

@davidmurakami164 Год назад

No upgradeable RAM (and capped at 192GB) and no GPUs = DOA

@enricorpg Год назад

I wonder if anyone grated some cheese on it, brought it back to the Apple Store, and says I changed my mind can I get my money back.

@pizzariaqueijada3810 Год назад

HAHAHAHAHAH! Love it!

@itsandyfs Год назад

This was a fantastic review of it, haha, what a weird product for what new Apple Silicon is meant to be

@junseongpark9460 Год назад

Best Cheese grinder

@masiosareanivdelarev562 Год назад

Interesting 🤔

@6891s Год назад

that's a "big mac", sadly it's not that "grate" for "upgratability" but at least it nice to have a 7000$ "cheese grater" for a luxurious "mac and cheese"