Best video I've seen on two of the best laptops in the market atm. But why did you say RTX A6000 when you spoke about Dell? It must be A3000 like the description below the video right? I am also curious how the version of Dell Precision that you tested would perform against the 8-core i7 version (same GPU). Thanks again for the extremely informative video and all the hard work you put into it.
Thanks, yes, I made an error by saying A6000 (I had picked one up for my desktop and accidentally said it in the video). It's a great laptop and I'm testing the new 5770 now and it's even better... Even over the MBP. Thanks for the kind words and watching the video!
@@District7DrewGeraci If you have the 5770 already would you consider making a similar review video to this one? I'm seriously considering buying one for computational chemistry but at nearly $10k AUD for the top spec it is a lot to spend without seeing reviews first (specifically interested in how the CPU holds up under extended workloads or if it throttles). Thanks
@@elliottraymond3274 The model I have is a pre-production model though so I can't release benchmarks or actual numbers but I can discuss performance and how I think it feels against previous versions etc.
@@District7DrewGeraci thats fair enough haha - could you give a brief indication as yet to how it would hold up with processor stability over 30+ mins of full utilization (see video for context: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DEs9MAMDLoA.html)? otherwise looking forward to the review!
This is for creative work only. Think about Engineering work, CAD, architecture work, Foundation engineering, Data Visualization, fluid simulation etc -- most of then engineering works, none of these softwares are available for MAC. Precision shines there too, along with the benefit of most of the games easily running on it. If you're not a final cut pro user and has no attachment to MACos, I see no reason to get a MBP. Windows users who haven't used MAC before, I see no reason to use any one of these MBP. Get a precision. Precision is just a beast with 12 gen or Xeon processors, along with dedicated Nvidia graphics. MBP is just a kid in front of it.
Thanks, good to see a real workstation comparison rather than gamer laptops and you can see the difference on-battery. Interesting to hear about not using the PP Beta as many other sites have (to the MBPs advantage) but if it isn't ready - it isn't ready.
Damn, so even with Dell XPS Precision and Windows, we can still get very good performance and a very good battery life. And even Apple can't last like hours, not even half a day, under full load, It is so different from the impression I get from Apple and other youtuber that as if Macbook Pro Max can last half a day under full load. Apple is really good with marketing and in creating hype, as if Macbook Pro Max is miles ahead compared to its competition when it is come to performance and battery life. And some other youtuber and reviewer even help them with this.
yep i too had that feeling that it was god-made but now I am sure of it its man made. it's just that it performs a little better that too in certain areas just by a margin and for slightly more money as well.
This is because you watch reviewers on RU-vid only. None of them use it for other than video editing. So how will they be able to tell the difference. And almost all the reviewers doesn't even know that Precision laptops exists, many of them doesn't know about XPS either. They know only about MBP because of the premium hype. Most of the reviewers or influencers are technically dumb people (other than LTT type of people), they don't know jackshit about performance. Apple's target customers are those only. Technically dumb + People with more money+ influencers who want to just show off and will never use a device to it's potential and buys apple products just for show off. and apple makes products for them only. Because nobody will talks about CAD, Modelling, Engineering works etc etc benchmarks, because people who will use it for aren't on RU-vid making videos. So why will apple invest in it. This is the dilemma for most of the non tech savy people, they can't decide and ends up buying MBP after watching RU-vid reviews and then regret it.
I have to point out that spec for spec the dell is $1000 extra, as much as I love the precision lineup, it really makes no sense that a Mac with almost better performance is actually a lot cheaper…. WTH dell!!!!
While at MSRP the Precision is more $200 more expensive (with a 4TB MBP config) but Dell allows you to remove memory and SSD's which means you can purchase the bare minimum system from Dell (8GB Ram, 512 SSD) and save over $2000 on the overall including purchasing the same sized memory and SSDs. The markup on components is a bit over the top.
@@District7DrewGeraci why is the Dell Precision so expensive? The Razer 15 Advance with rtx 3080 is like half the price and both CPU and GPU are better than the Dell Precision.
@@super_hero2 It's likely because of the RAM and SSD's in it. If you buy the base model and upgrade the components yourself you can save a considerable amount of money. Plus the Precision line is based on professional workflows using ECC memory for both the RAM and the GPU VRAM which minimizes crashes and security threats.
@@District7DrewGeraci I see, still the price difference for similar specs is ridiculous and Razer is already a premium brand. If it was the Zephyrus the difference is even more.
...and I thought Apple fans had fragile balls. This is a nice comparison video but there is so much shade (especially in the comments) towards Apple. I love how people get so involved in hating against other brands; it's a fascinating thing to look at.
Exactly. All he really had to say is that the apple is extremely optimized for what its good at, but the software issues alone are enough to turn people away.
Thanks for that. Am in a similar boat; switched to PC nearly a decade along. Very interested in these new machines with all the hype, though good to see Dell can still keep up for Adobe work, which is my no.1 need.
Thanks for watching! Yeah, the Dell Precision series is just as good as the MBP and with Gen5 around the corner for PCs we'll see another 50-100% boost in performance within the next year or so. Lots to be excited about!
I have a nearly maxed out 7760 (i9, A4000, 64GB ram, and 1.25TB ssd, 5 years ProSupport plus), and it has been an absolute beast. I paid 3700 USD for it without tax. In my primary workflow in Davinci Resolve, the M1 Max might have a slight lead in certain AI tasks due to its neural engine, but in my secondary workflow in Blender, my A4000 absolute smokes the M1 Max, even with metal support. We are talking about 3x faster renders with Optix, so the M1 is just not even a consideration anymore. And addressing the elephant in the room... my spec costs $1000+ less than an "equivalent" M1 Max MBP 16. As for upgradability... I shouldn't' even need to mention it because we all know what kind of company Apple is. No upgradable RAM, no upgradable storage, and no eGPU support. In a few years, I can get an eGPU, put in some more storage and RAM, and keep my laptop on par with the newer models, but forget about longevity with the MBP 16. Also its worth noting that if you are doing video editing, you should never edit from a soldered drive as you will eventually wear out the drive. So a fair benchmark with the Macbook would be using an external drive which will definitely slow it down. And some other misc items: 7760 has a numpad, lots of ports (HDMI 2.1 vs 2.0 on MBP), and an optional 5 years of warranty. I just can't see myself buying a $5000 dollar Macbook and being limited to the 3 years of warranty that they have. And Apple's warranty is only mail in. The 7760 screen is also wider than the MBP, which is useful in a lot of my workflows. Unlike what the reviews and hype say, there is nothing revolutionary about the MBP catching up to its competition. However, the difference is that if you are willing to pay the hefty Apple tax (and give up some aforementioned important items), it's not something that you will want to break in half upon first using it (MBP 16...).
Overheating with any of the RTX series cards is a given on a laptop. I've purchased a cooling mat to combat the A5000's heating issues and it works great! Over heating really only occurs for longterm use though, so regular tasks without additional cooling isn't an issue for the laptop(s).
I selected an 8 core i7 base spec 5760 with 4k panel, it’s a little under $2500 right now. I’d install 64gb of ram and nvme drives instead of buying them as an opti9n from Dell at 2x $. Figure that’s $3100 total.
I guess three people took your last line literally! Seriously, who could dislike this?!? Great content, as always, brother! Very thorough, especially given the tight timeline. Looks like it must’ve been fun too! 🤘😜👍
Nice to see some varied comparisons coming out now such as different tools and workstations on the windoze side vs gaming models. Use case seems to make a big difference on which would work better.
The notch on the MBP actually doesn't take away screen real-estate. The area right and left of the notch is extra above the 16:10 screen. So you actually get more screen space for content, since the menu can slide up above the 16:10 screen.
Compared to what? The resolution of the screen isn't even 4k and that top area (in line with the notch) is either a tool bar or a desktop creator, try dragging anything into that area and see what happens (or doesn't happen).
@@District7DrewGeraci Compared to not having the screen space on the sides of the notch...? The screen space below the notch is 16:10, meaning any app filling the space below the task bar is filling a 16:10 area rather than pre-notch the application would be 16:10 minus the task bar size. The notch is the most overhyped non-issue lol
@@jeremiahkuehne2400 Okay Apple fanboy. Dell and many other manufactures have proved that you don't need a supersized notch to fit a webcam. If Apple really wanted to give you more screen space, they could have got rid of the notch and allowed apps to fullscreen there. Wow, what a great idea!
@@vivek_v that’s literally how it works…the app goes full screen and the menu bar that is part of the app goes alongside the notch. Without the notch you could only fit an unusable webcam up there if you wanted to extend the screen space up that high. It’s literally more screen space than the previous 16” MacBook. I don’t what you’re struggling to understand here. I can only explain the facts I can’t comprehend them for you
Apple fanbois are hurt after seeing it. (funny thing is most of them don't know that this series of laptops exists and now that they know, they regret buying MBP)
there are not just video editors in this world :) Please do a comparison of using Blender for modelling , and game programming with Unity and Unreal... Or maybe machine learning, Tensorflow & C? Also you should include notes on fan noise during work..
At the time of filming Blender and Cinema4d etc wouldn't work natively on the MBP M1 Max due to compatibility issues and if I knew how to perform game programming I totally would have! As for fan noise both have noticeable loudness when the processor/GPU kicks in to 100%. Thanks for watching!
@@District7DrewGeraci sp you would say that in terms of fan noise the two are comparable? I would have thought the macbook was considerably more silent considering that it is thicker and uses much less power... I think this is important since both seem more than capable to handle heavy workloads then the difference is really made by how comfortably and pleasantly you can work with them..
@@Tech_Publica they were equally as loud and noticeable. That being said, when the fan is on (for both) it's not that bad. It's not silent, but it's not a jet engine taking off either, haha!
I just came across your channel while searching for m1 Max review using after effects. THanks for this review. It's straight forward and clear. Would really appreciate if you could do a little more test in after effects' playback with basic stuff and with some effects. Also performance and battery life. Planning to get one for motion graphics. Thank you so much man. Keep creating great content 👍
Thanks for watching! If I get the chance to use the MBP again I'll do my best to test those aspects out. Overall I thought it handled AE really well and I don't think you'll go wrong chosing either platform if you so choose.
*Quite Dell biased review.* Apple is the clear win for the screen, it has a much higher contrast ratio and 120Hz, your mentioned warm colors which are probably due to activated True Tone / Night mode, and the notch does NOT take any space, both displays are 16:10 but the area left+right of the Notch are EXTRA, so why you gave Dell a win here? lol. Why did fan noise and thermals not getting mentioned? Why not an extended battery comparison? Or webcam? The Trackpad? All disciplines where the Macbook crushed the XPS. Oh, and you state that the Dell 'looks better' but ignore that its over 20% heavier. Downvote from me 🤷♂️👎
"All disciplines where the Macbook crushed the XPS" - exactly what apple sheep use to "destroy" all other laptops. This is a fresh look at these machines from a different angle. I'm old enough to remember Steve Jobs "destroying" intel computers back in 90's and early 2000's with their own silicon. But they ended up going intel in 2006.
All those advantages you mentioned aren't as important for a lot of people as you think. And yes, I think the notch is nothing but a fashion statement. To stand out from the crowd
Thanks for your feedback! First, Truetone was turned off. Second, there's no way to properly/professionally measure the screen, so for professionals (who make money off of the equipment they use) the MBP's screen isn't ideal for color-sensitive projects. As for the notch, it does indeed take up 1/4 of an inch across the entire top part of the mac. It's unusable space (feel free to try to drag windows or apps up into that area, it's not possible), as for not testing the thermals or fan noise that's because I didn't have the time to do it seeing as I only had 2 1/2 days with the MBP to run benchmarks. I'm not sure if you're familiar with how long it takes to run tests, diagnostics, AND film at the same time by yourself but in case you don't know, it takes a long time. I'm sorry that the review didn't favor the things that you wished to see, or had the desired results you were hoping for but I don't believe that requires a downvote. The review was unbiased with everything that was technically based. I even stated in the review that my preference for the Precision in terms of looks over the MBP was a subjective one and that it didn't matter. Either way though, thanks for watching!
@@eloquentblack Saying that the notch is nothing but a fashion statement to stand out from the crowd is just not being fair to Apple. The screen space in line with the notch is actually EXTRA to what the users had with the previous MacBook Pros, and that's why the new 16 MBP's screen is a bit taller than the last gen's. The macOS menu bar on these new MBPs now lives in the same horizontal space as the notch does and frees up more screen real estate for content. Sure, the notch is a bit odd looking on a laptop. But since it allows me to view 1 or 2 more lines of code and gives me a much slimmer bezel, why not?
powerful equipment all rests on a heat pack, and thin structures can not achieve heat dissipation, and if overheating occurs, then the purity will decrease accordingly
Thanks for adding a different perspective to this subject, Drew! I honestly think the new Mac machines make the most sense if you're using FCP along with them.
So what did you decide ? I also need to make a decision to get one of them nowadays for working with 3d models as an architect. I just beware incompatibility of M1 chips with some architectural programs
nice video! thanks! after my last two i9 16'' macbook pros which were the worst laptops ever created by apple, i was considering to get the dell 5760. this is how came to see this video. but at the end of the day i finally ordered the m1 max machine. i hope i won't regret that step...
@@District7DrewGeraci how is the heat development on both machines? are they both running with fans all the time? and i am still considering to buy the dell too ;-)
Intel macbooks since 2016 have been horrific (as I say typing on a 2016 intel MBP that I''m looking to replace), but apple silicon would be the best thing on the market if not for software integration. So long as you don't need x64 specific windows apps, youre good!
@@jCouzito i ordered the dell 5760 and sent it back after two days! the machine was hot all the time and fans went bananas directly after booting. my M1 max mbp arrived three weeks ago and i didn't hear the fans of the machine yet.. using istats pro i was able to see that the "idle" fan speed on my old I9 mac was around 1800 rpm - when the machine got hot it went up to 5600.. the "idle" value on the M1 is 0 - zero - none - nada! from time to time i can see (NOT hear) the fans running at ~1700rpm. this is the first really cool mac after so many years. i don't have any x64 related compatibility issues (so far)...
Actually, the notch makes the screen bigger, not smaller. Cus the full width where the notch is is extra on top of the already 16:10. Whether you like it or not is an entirely different thing tho.
yeah, he stated it completly wrong. Also I don't get the nonsense with 'the Dell gives you extra space at the bottom' wtf? Actually the Macbook gives you extra space at the top (its taller than 16:10). Biased review 😪
@@m-stat9 Biased review? More like you aren't thinking right. He means that for the same sized laptop, you are getting more screen because the Dell has smaller bezels. The Dell's screen is basically the same height as the MBP, but it's wider aspect ratio gives it more horizontal screen space. Not sure how you are so easily misinformed because the screen sizes and aspect ratios are easily found on the internet.
Thanks for the comparison! Interesting to see how similar they are. I know you had a ton of footage and this is a great summation of all your hard work. As a Premiere user, I hope Adobe fixes that performance vs Resolve! That was a staggering difference.
Thanks for watching Nate! Yeah, Adobe (while I still love them) has really dropped the ball on their performance and I hope they update their programs in the very near future.
yes, the m1 processor brings technological innovations, but dell is much better in design, I hope that notch bullshit does not spread to other brands, because it is nothing but an exaggeration.
@@District7DrewGeraci I bought the 14base model macpro but return it can't stand glass screen. And the notch I don't like it. I just order the new Precision 5470 Workstation. It has 15 cores .rtx A1000 . And 16;10 Can't wait to try it.
@@District7DrewGeraci I got the 14 inch because I need portability. And I only edit max 4k . I really like the Mac . But windows i can do souch more in windows. Specially. The anti glare on the dell . Whennibuse glass screen my eyes hurts. Do you know anything about the rtx A1000 what can it be compared to?
There was no way to actually test that so that's why it's not mentioned. There are plenty of amazing monitors out there that have great screens that are 100% accurate.
@@District7DrewGeraci That sounds a little bit strange, how come you there wasn’t a way to test it? I went to Bestbuy and Mac’s looks so much better than any laptop, including XPS from Dell, HDR on Mac is absolutely mind blowing beautiful!
@@dimaroscadallacqua9926 you can't test it because there's no support for M1 chips by any of the 3rd party color calibrators, which you need to verify the calibration.
@@District7DrewGeraci wow I'm impressed ! You mean I don't need rtx 5000 with 16gb Vram ? Or with that kind of spec. (Dell precision 7560) got kinda good option, like the wann 4G. But of course, it need battery power to be efficient. But I don't like apple.. That's why It's so hard for me !!!
@@CptCurk you'll definitely want as much VRAM as possible (for Resolve) and I suspect this year will be a solid release for higher powered GPUs so perhaps it would be best to wait and see what comes out (lots of new tech showcased at CES).
@@District7DrewGeraci yeah... But actually, there is 35% on dell precision wokstation. From 7500€ down to 4800€... That's pretty neat ! ^^' Price of a good mac M1 max. But I guess the Dell got better output and connections. Somehow lost there ^^'
Close huh? Try that ProRes export in an NLE that actually uses the dedicated ProRes hardware encoders… Like FCPX. Clearly the non-optimized Adobe software give the Dell a fighting chance. Once the optimized version is released it will be another matter.
Hard to say, especially with the release of Adler lake CPUs. As for trying FCPx, sure, go for it, but this was a comparison with programs that are on both Windows and Mac so FCPx has no barrings here.
Did you disable true tone? It makes no sense to compare the screen of the Mac without disabling it (it could be also night shift what is causing the warmer tones)
Thanks Borja! Yes, true tone was disabled and it was just placed in the default REC709 color space for viewing. I'm not sure about night-shift. Thanks for watching!
Both were set to high performance mode when on battery. There was a slight drop in GHz on the Dell but it was performing nearly identically to how it was on power. The Apple likely throttled its power as well because the render times increased by 50% when the Mac hit 50% power indicating it started to go into its own power saving mode once it hit a certain threshold. Thanks for watching!
@@District7DrewGeraci The cpu and gpu pulls more watts at full power. There is no way a current windows pc is keeping the same power while unplugged. That’s just not possible due to the current chip architecture for once and the current draw to get access to that processing power. Not discrediting your tests but the power aspect is debatable.
@@seashellwanderers456 It is debatable, however, it's nearly impossible to debate (right now) because you can't actually tell how much performance you're actually getting from the MBP. Over the 1 hour and 20 minutes, it was rendering off-power, the performance dropped significantly (for both systems) around the 50% mark. The Dell lost about 2Ghz (from 4.4Ghz it was averaging) but since you can't get live GHz stats from the MBP it was hard to tell exactly how much it was being throttled. I don't disagree that the MBP probably throttled a bit less, but both continued to work at around the same FPS render rate all the way up until the battery died. While not scientific, it does provide a real-world experience that anyone who used the laptop would likely encounter. Thanks again for watching!
The notch on a horizontal axis (so the entire width and height of the notch) takes up approximately 5% of the screen. It's unusable space and the only thing that can go up on that entire length of the screen is menu systems. Try dragging any kind of content or window, it won't advance.
@@District7DrewGeraci 5% in one axis does not mean 5% of the area. And that space is useless with the menu bar. Would you rather them take the lazy dell approach and make the entire screen .5" shorter? They made a creative hardware solution that integrates well with their software. Dell/microsoft could learn a thing or two just from that.
@@jCouzito I'm not sure you know what you're talking about, but there is definitely less screen resolution and space to work with on the Mac then there is with the Dell - this is a fact. The MBP isn't even true 4k resolution, Apple skimped on that.
An Intel Dell… oh God. Get with the times! Put it next to a zephyrus G15 and then we can see the diference ;) And with the money you have left from buying the zephyrus do some charity if you really need to spend 6K. Just don’t bite the apple… EVER! Apple is a Marketing brand, made for trendy hipsters. It’s unreparable, unupgradeable, limited software… just an over expensive planned obsolescence fad, PERIOD. If you care about the world do some charity with that money.
