Machine-guns: light, medium, heavy, or sub? 

I know this is an old video and you may have answered my question in another video but why did the germans use LMGs in their Atlantic wall rather than HMGs or MMGs?

ok

Good man. Thank you for the correction

rewatching his videos and making corrections 4 years later. that is a man of dedication :D

Yeah I was about to comment that the Krauts/jerries or whatever depending where u r from They used the 7.92

Good to know

But they could have submachine guns issued to the submarine's crew. It is rather handy in cramped interiors

My world is ruined...

Funny thing, submarines aren't required to repel boarders very often.

One reason they keep weapons aboard, is to prevent mutiny and keep disiplin. Also if they have to abandon the submarine they are not totally defenceless. Boarding subs is not something that happens often, but it has happened from time to time. The last instance of boarding a a submarine I know about was during the Falklands war, when SAS and Royal Marines boarded an argentinian submarine. Much more common, however, were the practice of submarine crews forming boarding parties. This was especially common on british and american submarines in the Pasific during WW2. And of course, such boarding parties needed suitable weaponry.

Essex Class more like “SMG: They’re ribbing into your cover”

*running

@@anthonypurvis1748 GPMG would be roughly the equivalent of an LMG. The MG42 is sort of the first GPMG

@@dELTA13579111315 i wouldve thought its more of an mmg (its bloody heavy and you can't really fire at any sort of accuracy from the shoulder), whereas the fn minimi is more of an lmg

@@anthonypurvis1748 that would fall under MMG. The GPMG as a concept combines characteristics from LMGs (easily man-portable, can be fired from a bipod by a single soldier) and HMGs (not readily man-portable and would require a static mount with several crew members, or a vehicle mount, but capable of sustained fire at longer ranges). In a sense that makes them "medium", plus their mass is intermediate between LMGs and HMGs

Everybody in BFV: "hold my gender"

hold my napalm

*Carlos Hathcock strapping a scope onto a freaking m2 browning and using It as a sniper rifle* "hold my keg"

and thats why they lost that war

Cries in 240B

Similar things happen in germany. A few of the "MG3's" in service today still have SS markings on them.

Or today (with many additions): *Machine guns:* PDW: -Very mobile -Very light -Intermediate cartridge# SMG: -Mobile -Light -Pistol cartridge LMG: -Mobile -Intermediate cartridge (5.56x45 NATO) MMG/GPMG: -stationary/mobile -Rifle cartridge (30cal) HMG: -stationary/vehicle mounted -Big cartridge (50cal - 20mm) *Rifles:* Assault Rifle: -Might -Intermediate Cartridge Battle Rifle: -Medium weight -Rifle cartridge Carbine: -Mobile -Shortened version of other rifles / longer version of pistols -Various cartriges Designated Marksmen Rifle (DMR): -Semi mobile -Long range -Mostly based on Assault Rifles/Battle Rifles with longer barrels and improved sights -Mostly semi automatic Sniper: -Semi mobile -Very long range -Various catridges, some standart, some specific to the weapon system -Mostly bolt action, new models are semi automatic Anti Material Rifle (AMR): -Not very mobile -Very long range -Very large cartridges (50BMG or larger) # The cartidges used are shorter and or smaller then normal intermediate cartridges but have the same general shape. This in combination with a faily high mussle velocity (around 700-850m/s) results in far supperior penetration, especially with boy armor then the standart 9mm round. The 2 cartridges used are the 5.7x28mm (FN P90) and the 4.6x30mm (HK MP7) *Other gun types* (it get's a bit fuzzy as those categorys cannot be boiled down as simple as machine guns and i will ignore anything before WW1) Shotgun: -Kinda mobile -Various ammunition -Various magazine types (if present at all) Pistol: -Very mobile -Short range -Pistol cartridge Revolver: -Very mobile -Short range -Pistol cartridge -Uses revolving cilinder with multiple chambers (mostly 6) as magazine Gatlin Gun: -Rotary barrel -Various cartridges -Mostly belt fed -Extremly high ROF (up tp 10,000RPM) Autocannon: -often vehicle mounted -Big cartridge (>20mm) -ROF between 90-2500RPM) Revolver Cannon: -Aircraft / ship mounted -Big cartridge (>20mm) -ROF 20mm) -Uses external power for the reloading process -Extremly reliable Electromagnetic Railgun (EMRG): -Currently not very mobile -Uses elektricity as propellat by utilizing the "Lorenz Force" -Extremly high mussle velocity (currently up to 10,000m/s) -Extremly high range -Planned as a replacement for missiles on ships Metal Storm: -Multiple barrels -Multiple stacked projectiles (with their own propellant) per barrel -Electricly triggered -Extremly high rate of fire (around 1,000,000 RPM) Other weapon types will be added at request, suggestions and corrections are highly appreciated.

So that means M240 is MMG and PKP Pecheneg is also MMG? right?

***** Yes, but today this category would be called GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun)

Mid Night Yea, I know that... but I wanst just sure... But thanks

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The BAR had no recoil i thought?

The BAR has plenty of recoil. No weapon without a back blast was or is recoilless (blame Newton). I think it is a fairly interesting weapon. It served in the LMG role for the Americans during WW2 (it was carried in a squad and mounted on a bi-pod). It was certainly a very good weapon, but in retrospect it was probably poorly suited to the role of a light machine gun. It provided a pitiful amount of fire support for an advancing assault team and it was seriously overpowered by the MG 34 and 42 against which it was supposed to compete. US Airborne troops got wise to the fact that the BAR probably wasn't quite up to the task of being an LMG and opted for the M1919 .30 cal instead. They used the BAR instead just as an "automatic rifle" to augment the firepower of their riflemen, a role in which it proved far more effective.

B.A.R. wasa prototype of an automatic rifle. It should never gone into production The only way to fire it accurately was off the bi-pod. Not to mention the mags had low cap. It's hard to reload while standing. I made the mistake of selling mine in 1986. .

Gareth Thompson Actually, the recoil is quite manageable. Bonnie Parker (who mind you, weighed 90 pounds) was quite proficient at its use.

Pilotmario My Dad had one in Vietnam for awhile and he says it was the best weapon he ever carried.

BAR: "I'll see myself out"

Yes..😅

Get outta here with that automatic rifle masquerading as an LMG. A BAR is not an LMG, as the name implies. It has 20 rounds in a magazine bloody hell.

lol!

+dIRECT0R You know why french MBT's have a mirror in driver seat?

+Olli-Pekka Lepola to see the frontline slowy getting smaler

+TheLoki7281 Must be the same model the British used when they deserted the front line during the Battle of France.

+Anndgrim Lol. More like the french army collapsed in 8 days because of the stupidity of the Maginot Line. The Expeditionary force arrived expecting the French to have defensive positions that could be bolstered by British troops. Before the expeditionary force could even set up they were fighting alone in a foreign country with no defensive position. It was a sensible tactical retreat.

Well, actually that was the m2

I thought a platoon section has 2 squads, and a platoon has 4 squads.

He was simply talking about the issue of "it's a smaller caliber". Pointing out that sometimes SMG rounds aren't smaller in caliber but still less powerful.

Yup, USA still to this day uses some variant of the M1911 which is chambered in .45. Tho funny enough Germany uses the USP 45 which is in .45 ACP and their SMGs such as the UMP-45 are also in .45

@@h3nder No, the US military switched to the Beretta M9, in 9mm Parabellum, and then to the SIG Sauer M17 and M18, also in 9mm Parabellum. The M1911 was eschewed in favor of the M9 starting in 1985.

@Ryan Doty Actually the US still use variants of the M1911 pistol today, they just aren't usually issued to regular troops. Special forces units in particular are known to still use M1911 variants. What you are saying is mostly correct for standard infantry, however.

@@reonthornton685 You are correct, we do still use variations such as the MEU (SOC), though in the grand scheme of things they are largely irrelevant. It would be like saying the Polish use M4s because some Grom operators use them, even though the majority of the Polish armed forces use AKMs. They exist, but not at large scales.

+HATECELL Not sure if this is the reason but I think the "M1" in some of those examples means Mark 1. Though I could be completely wrong.

Corrections: Machine pistols are a separate category of firearms on their own - they are specifically pistols designed to fire burst or fully automatically (such as the Glock-18, Stechkin APS, Mauser Schnellfeur, Beretta 93R etc) and can be used effectively with one hand. Only Germany and German speaking countries use the term machine pistol to refer to submachine guns - everybody else uses submachine gun as the term and that's the official term. MG08/15 doesn't mean modernized in 1915. It's just a 1915 revision and variant to give the Germans a light machine gun... Albeit a horrid one. MG08's would remain in service much longer than the MG08/15s, once the Germans got their hands on actual light machine guns and general purpose machine guns (effectively being completely phased out by the MG34 and ZB26 before WW2.) Pistolet-Pulemyot Shpagina does not mean machine pistol. It means Shpagin's Submachine Gun (Georgy Shpagin being the designer.)

@@TheHandgunhero it does not mean submachinr gun it means pistol machine gun

@@TheHandgunhero I guess Finland is germanic

@@tortture3519 technically yes they are

+Erl Tyriss Yes, they are nice. The largest caliber automatic gun I could was the 130mm (5.1 in) АК-130 on Russian warships. This thing has two barrels and shoots about once per second. Getting to 15 inches would be very interesting.

lol

+kingpopaul at 9:27

+kingpopaul The term is actually "Gun Punch."

Peter Pan 1/4, that's not enough.

+Feder Schwert hmmhmm gun punch , put in some lemon and some salt and you are ready to party

Benign Gamer correct

Yep, and before the First World War the jerries used 7mm Mauser, which Brazil kept using till WW2 when we switched to US munitions.

If you're American you wouldn't get it

@@russellfernandez57 Watch this clip and you will understand ( listen to what the cops says at about 2.04 minutes ;)) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kt1yxOU_DXM.html

@@baf_mcnab3065 lol

Yeah, Americans

@@dhimasardiansyah8741 I- You- Just stop.

British grenadiers

No. 69 grenade

Mulberry Blaze The joke is about the sten gun, a British sub machine gun. I gather from the joke that it had a tendency to go off unexpectedly when handled roughly.

They did use grenades!

+Dave Kent Yeah, I liked that too. Personally, I would've added a bit of image contrast and darkened borders. There is always room for improvement.

+Dave Kent I concur. I wasnt even aware you could do that kind of transition.

The tripod is better for accuracy though, right? Since it’s more stable and therefore less effected by you moving slightly. I think, I might be wrong though.

I think his point is that a stationary weapon can allow for a much larger round, since the recoil in that case would be less of an issue for the shooter.

@@feartheghus You're not wrong. One of the big advantages of mounting a machine gun on a tripod is that it is much more stable and therefore easier to keep on target. Lloyd is quite right that even in smaller calibers a fully-automatic weapon tends to move a lot and is hard to keep on target when fired from the shoulder or the hip. Obviously, it varies with the caliber and design of the weapon, but that's the general rule. Conversely, the big advantage of a light machine gun is its portability and the fact that it can be used in "walking fire"; shooting from the shoulder or hip while advancing. Some guns such as the U.S. M60 of the Vietnam era are used in both roles. Heavy machine guns such as the M2 .50 caliber are even difficult to manage on a tripod unless you secure the tripod to the ground with stakes and/or sandbags. That's why they're very frequently used on heavy vehicles. A tank makes a pretty stable gun platform. ;-)

Fyi i believe the recoil will hit you at the speed of sound as that is the speed of a pressure wave through a solid medium. It’s conceivable that the recoil could hit you before the round clears the barrel when firing subsonic rounds though unlikely.

I reload for 1000 yards plus and I’d never cast a head for that distance the BC would be pathetic . If recoil doesn’t affect a gun til after the bullet is long gone put it in a bench and pull the trigger with string . You’re talking rubbish

+TFB TV He did show an UZI, which might either be a submachine gun or a machine pistol depending on who you ask.

+TFB TV The Stg44 comes under the classification as an assault rifle and the Mauser and Lugers come under the classification as pistols. This video was talking about machineguns

Im retarded for telling someone that's hes talking about something off-topic. But I look up and see you sperging out and getting triggered by naziboos. You're pretty epic dude

+1-2 Meme Crew If select fire the Mauser and Luger are machine pistols.

+TFB TV As typical for Lindy this is a good overview that gets some details wrong. The largest is the omission of Assault Rifles. Presumably to avoid mentioning the difference between a rifle round and an intermediate round.

+TheSparda81 not 15inch but still science fiction =]

+TheSparda81 "And this is a bolter. Bolters first saw action not in World War two but the Unification Wars. They fire much larger rounds, ranging between 2 cm and three inches and can destroy buildings."

+Fumblerful They are also prone to Jamming. For some reason the tech guys never managed to fix that

7.62 was around in ww2. the russians used 7.62x54R in their most of their weapons

Jacob .Clark Yea but I meant 7,62x51

He said they used 7.92! It was actually ahead of it's time being rimless. And the 7.62x51 NATO was actually the .308 Winchester developed in the 1950's.

Let's fail together I never said there was ...

***** oh shit my bad xD ill delete my comment. I apologize

Lol I love die hard also the machine gun the baddies used was an MP5, the most op weapon in mad city

True dat, from conservation of momentum. The dissipation has nothing to do with it though, a fixed tripod would not move, i.e. produce power to dissipate. the point is to sort of increase the mass of the gun by connecting it to the earth and make its velocity negligibly small, therefore effectively removing the recoil path.

+anubseran4774 Well, then, if the same force is dissipated throughout the sandbags or dirt or whathaveyou, and the gun does not move, why are the bullets more powerful? (IE, more velocity)

KiesKo Enterprizes They aren't more powerful, they travel at exactly the same velocity since they were given exactly the same initial acceleration.

wireless.mike The dissipation thing I said it because later he talks about how the a plastic collision would dissipate less energy, however it has nothing to do with it as you said.

+anubseran4774 Lindy has already demonstrated a pretty vague understanding of the principles of the mechanics before, on the case of people pushing against each other or a solid wall. Too bad for sir Isaac Newton's compatriot.

+the internet You are a brave man, using this meme on another channel. Brave, but foolish.

dunno, but this just gave me the idea to launch a pommel using a can cannon into some ballistics gel just to see what it does

+the internet LPM - Light Pommel Gun - and now i want MythBusters to build it.

ABaumstumpf no need to, just use a can cannon with half a tin can to use as wadding

indeed..the bullet is already out the barrel before the recoil impulse moves the gun. otherwise, you would never hit anything.

+Azkamooski Yeah, fuck criticism and correcting people, because your feelings are obviously worth more than actually learning something!

Azkamooski Lad pal, I wasn't exactly dead serious either, k?

BoarhideGaming K. Good to know bic boi.

+Rich What does the silver play button mean?

+Daniel Taylor 100,000 subscriber. It's the equivalent of having a silver album if your are a pop group.

Daniel Taylor you get sent it by RU-vid after you reach 100,000 subscribers :)

Sweet! Congratulations good Sir! Well deserved.

+Daniel Taylor I think it means 100,000 subscribers

I think he's making a joke and trying to see how many people call him out or fall for it.

+mruler360 Well i suppose anything is possible, but I think you're being wildly optimistic there :) He did seem pretty serious.

Take a javelin, run at your target and throw, then compare the force of impact when running away from your target and thrown. Lindy's argument was that a machine gun that is stationary has more power per bullet than THE SAME machine gun hand held. You're comparing it with two different machine guns with different barrel lengths, of course that's going to factor into it and Lindy did not say anything about that

+Yoriko Arran And with a javelin, your point is valid. But a projectile that's already moving over 2000 feet per second? So say you're running forward with a LMG like the M249. How much velocity is that going to add to the projectile? Maybe 5 feet per second? Powder variances on factory produced ammo will make more of a difference than that. Even if being mounted on a tripod makes a projectile leaving the barrel of a firearm faster, it's such an insignificant difference that there's no point in even mentioning it.

+Yoriko Arran Your javelin analogy makes no sense in trying to relate it to guns. With firearms, even assuming there is a difference in "power" in holding it vs a tripod/bipod the difference would be so negligible that it has never been bothered with. Nobody ever said, "oh we need to make the tail guns on a plane more powerful than the nose guns because the tail gun is like running backwards trying to throw a javelin." That is assuming there is a difference in power in off hand vs mount, but there isn't. ...go look up the 7.62x54r russian round. That same interchangeable round got used in everything from machine guns to rifles to pistols, and you are going to quickly see the muzzle velocities are completely in line with the math for barrel lengths. Because that is what effects the "power."

u spelled loyd wrong

Don't think the 7.62x54 is .311, the 303 Brit is .311"

+Oliver Weber It has always bothered me that the MP 40 is always referred to as the "Schmeisser". His only involvement with it if I recall correctly is that he owned the patent on the straight magazine that it used.

dont forget the good ol Automatic Rifle like the BAR or i guess now the M27

+Graham Rollins in terms of ammunition, where thousandths of an inch can mean the difference between blowing up a gun and not blowing up a gun, it is actually significantly larger; it's .31 caliber rather than .30.

+Regolith No argument from me!

+sirrliv Heh. Trying to make him work, eh?

Basic Pouch: A large vertical rectangular pouch that went through three versions (Marks I, II, and III). It could carry either (2) BREN magazines, (6) 20-round Thompson SMG magazines, (4) No 36M Fragmentation, No 69 Offensive, or No.77 White Phosphorus grenades, (4) No 36M cup-discharger rifle grenades with attached gas-check baseplates, (2) Smoke Grenades, or boxes of Small Arms Ammunition. The Mark I version had three cartridge loops sewn into the inner lid for carrying three ballistite Rifle Grenade Blanks for launching rifle grenades; this feature was later omitted on the Mark II pouch. The longer Basic Pouch Mark III could hold (5) 32-round STEN Machine Carbine Magazines.

+Jens Danbolt Yes, I may do other videos on the German GPMG concept. This video shows the MG42 in LMG role and the MG34 in MMG role (or SFMG, to be even more confusing). Ten minutes was probably already too long for most people on MGs!

+Jens Danbolt Also pretty interesting is that the germans did not have a HMG at all in the army, even though they had the 13mm machineguns for airplanes. For light AA they used exclusively 20mm cannons. Tanks and other vehicles got the regular MG-42 or MG-34 as coaxial and additional weapons and armored cars like the SdKfz 222 also used the 20mm caliber.

+Lindybeige Yes please! And also how about a video on grenades?

+Lindybeige I'd have been happy with even more info, but here's another topic: how the German 88mm AA first came to be used against ground targets. Who thought of it first? Buncha guys in the thick of it, or a smart commander with a sudden brainwave? Though ditto Un1qZ's suggestion about grenades. On the subject of MGs though, I've often read that in Vietnam, US soldiers often used thousands of rounds just to take out a single enemy. How true was this? What data is there? Why did it happen? Another question: I've watched your vids about knives, daggers, bayonettes, etc.; how important were these weapons in WW2? Were they at all somewhat ignored to begin with, then brought in more and more later as their relevance became apparent? Or were they standard kit & training from the beginning?

+Lindybeige Also, how much ammo did a typical MG34/42 crew carry with them?

+The Mango Baron It needs some super-glue or something.

Wait, then how come you'll jump way farther off solid ground, than from... water, or anything softer than solid ground, even with the same energy from your legs?

Because any change in your momentum has to come from giving the earth opposite momentum, which is much harder to do on water, since water is not stiff. The better analogy is you throwing a ball. You will throw the ball at the same speed, no matter if you are floating weightlessly or you are strapped in. There is a tiny correction, but that is small as long as the ball is small compared to you, or the bullet is small compared to you and the gun.

Just don't watch one of his vids on global warming. Science was devastated in those few minutes.

Dude. You teached me something nice. I wrote a lot of things disagreeing with you only to then realize you were right. As long as I pose as much of inertia to be a normal force against the bullet, it doesn't matter if I give in and fall into the ground or I stand still. So true, thanks

what will be effected is cyclic rate, and even reliability of operation in recoil, or inertia based operating schemes. just like "limp wristing" a 1911 can cause FTE, a more solid support base can increase cyclic rate of an MG, even if not by enough for anybody to notice in practical terms.

+не русский its commonly called schmeisser

+That Guy that doesnt mean its right, the Maschinenpistole (model of 19)40 is called just that, not the schmeisser, no matter how many goobers say so.

+не русский During the war, it was called the Schmeisseer. True it was not designed by that designer. Similarly the spandua was not made in Spandau, but the MG34/52 was near uniformly called a 'spandau' by the Allies.

This comment was not really made to correct our beige-adoring friend, but rather as a little fun fact. Í'm sure most people know what he's talking about when he says "Schmeisser".

And despite this, it's commonly referred to as "Schmeisser"

But it's wrong

Hugo schmeisser had something to do with the magazine.

Schmeisser was often etched into the floor plate of the mags so that's where the British got the nickname, the Russians called it a burp gun

+Anthony Wood (edit) Yes, many MP38 and 40 mags are marked 'Patent Schmeisser', although not on the baseplate but the body/tube. However, the British had already started using 'Schmeisser' for any German SMG, following capture of MP,28 IIs. see this PDF - bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/arming-the-british-home-guard-1940-1944-clarke-2010.pdf

Recoil does not affect bullet speed AT ALL. Not even that small amount, it just doesn't.

It can effect the power slightly when the barrel is moved back so the total time the round can accelerate inside it is slightly shortened. But as this only really effects the last few centimeters of the barrel where the pressure already dropped significantly the effect is incredibly small.

Jeronimo Murruni Yes it does. just not by any noticeable amount. However saying "not at all, not even a slight amount" is complete bullshit. Mid Night Pretty much that. However don't forget the faster pressure drop due to the breech moving backwards and the area between the breech and the bullet increasing more rapidly. Also the extra friction on the bullet as the barrel moves backwards. You might possibly be able to say the increased rotational speed of the bullet due to the higher relative speed through the barrel, and rotational velocity takes away energy from the forward velocity though at that point its just getting a little silly.

Olivia Lambert Marry Me!

Now there's a rare thing, a woman not only discussing guns but actually talking sense! I vowed never to marry but in Olivia's case I could be convinced to change my mind!

+Beriorn a GPMG is usually a MMG by another name

+Beriorn That last question is one for another video...

+Beriorn I think that classification came when most armies started adopting intermediate cartridges (e.g., 5.56mm NATO). So your LMG is still using your 'standard rifle' round, but not the 'battle rifle' round (which was the standard before the intermediate cartridges became standard). So your previous LMG, that used 7.62mm is now a GPMG (e.g., M60, M240, MG3, etc.). Or something like that. Whenever I glance through modern military stuff, I don't think I even encounter 'medium machinegun' anymore (I honestly don't remember the medium term being used much, if at all, but it's been a while since I've really read up)

+Beriorn GPMGs In the UK its an LMG and MMG by his definitions but the LMG role has been largely replaced by the Minimi which is an LMG.

+Beriorn A GPMG is a mg which can be used in both the MMG and the LMG role. Because armies likes Standardisation. They can be both used with the bipod on the move and fixed with a tripod . Example of this is the MG34, MG42 (the first ones), Post WWII GPMG are the FN MAG (aka L7 GPMG/M240), M60 and the russian PK-family

Havar Eriksen A heavier crew served weapon could have a higher MV than a lighter shoulder fired one using the same round. It depends on the weapon - G3 Rifle and the SLR both firing the same round - SLR has a greater MV and penetration of objects like walls. Now the same weapon fired on a tripod in the SF role, a bipod in the LMG role or from the shoulder/hip in walking fire will have pretty much the same MV ( some of our MG's actually had a heavier barrel for the SF role which affected different parameters as the barrel took longer to heat up).

Chaz t I covered this in my comment, in that you get increased muzzle velocity in weapons with longer barrels. And that crew served weapons often have long barrels. Muzzle velocity out of a MG3 is higher than the same round out of a G3, due to the MG3 having a longer barrel. So we are in agreement here. And our forces have the Minimi issued as LMG. They are issued both a long and a short barrel, so the user can choose which one to use for his weapon depending on the mission. However, once he has fired 200 rounds and change the barrels, he has also swiched the length of the barrel.

Chaz t perhaps, but Lindy’s reasoning was cracked.

Dead right buddy.

Yep. I had the same thought. That big ol’ 8mm Mauser has a special place in my heart. Thats no regular .30cal round.

The Germans used to use 7.90 mm and switched to 7.62 x 54 NATO during cold war, now migrating to 5,56 X 39 NATO with tendencies to return partially to 7.62 X 54

+Yagi I'd be very interested in hearing an example.

+401 Kill you sir apparently never ran as a SAW gunner. yeah the 240 is great, and i do love her, but the SAW is essential in modern Infantry tactics. and yes the 240 is most often seen mounted (key word seen), but any Infantry unit worth a damn would be on foot and the Gun teams really come into a life of there own. the M2 too has its place one an offensive foot battle, but it sucks to be those guys. for real that crap is heavy. Its not mobile, but good company commandeers can place these very effective teams (including the MK19) and win the day. To be honest i would rather be in a team with good 249 gunners, then rely on the 240 support any day. everything past the 240 is just a bonus.

+Rabbi Herschel Lieberman-Bergblattsteinowitz A wall?! Oy Vey!

+Rabbi Herschel Lieberman-Bergblattsteinowitz The wailing wall

+Edward Kiel That's racist! #Poe'sLaw

It's largely a matter of doctrine; for instance, the US Army term for a squad light machine gun is "automatic rifle", as a holdover from when the M1917 and M1919 (both considered MMGs today) were called "heavy" and "light" respectively, while the BAR used for squad support was considered an automatic rifle.

I would consider an automatic grenade launcher to be in a separate category. Like a "sub-mortar" artillery piece.

Though not all cops use glocks. They are the most common, but some use others like s+w m+ps or SIG229s (which are also used by the coast guard and special forces). The fbi uses .40s+w, but they're switching back to 9mm soon.

+FallaciousScotsman The .45 A.C.P. is not a more 'powerful' round, it's hardly any larger than the 9mm, travels at half the speed, has less effective range and far less penetration power. How ever this information is counter intuitive, because of it's lesser penetrative capabilities the round has more stopping power, meaning it stuns the affected target more upon striking but without the further risk of collateral damage expected from the 9mm. I would say the .45 is the better cartridge for police work given that it's less likely to kill someone the shooter isn't trying to hit, which lets face has happened too many times. The experts have disagreed with this a long time ago though.

Actually the UK used .45ACP as well. The Thompson M1 and De lisle carbine (I think that's it's name lol) come to mind.

+Luke DS it's not half as fast... it's about 80 percent as fast 920 fps vs 1150 fps for 9mm. further, the average gain weight bullet on 9mm is 115 vs 180 on 45 with upwards of 240gr being available. 45 is very much more potent. 9mm +p+ is far closer but purely as a result of it's incredible velocity (1400-1500 fps iirc) meaning recoil and noise gets extreme AND causing damage to any gun not rated for the pressure.

gromann I thought the 9 mm was 300 MPs while the .45 was 150 MPs. MPs= Metres per second- 3.2553 feet to the metre. Conversions for Your figures= 353 MPs for 9 mm. 282 MPs for .45. So if Your right I'm wayyyy off. Researching......