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Machining Cold Rolled Steel, Precision Headaches Guaranteed! 

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I show the problems related to milling Cold Rolled 1018 steel and possible solutions.
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@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Be sure to check out my next video on milling dry vs with coolant here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-06_10JTpAgg.htmlsi=EBd-QTO0RZoKHLc1
@sillytoy1
@sillytoy1 2 месяца назад
Have machined parts like this in the past, always used flat ground 1018 stock. Was a bit more money but saved time in the end. Had to machine base plates for a machine ( 38 x 42 x 3/4 thick ). Started out with thicker stock then had them Blanchard ground flat and parallel , this material was A36 hot rolled steel.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Base plate material is really what CRS is good for, you can drill holes, put pockets in all day long with no effect, but as soon at you break out of the edges the fun begins! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@ColKorn1965
@ColKorn1965 2 месяца назад
Having seen CRS go "La-Twang!" more times than I can count during 40 years as a machinist, I try to use it as little as possible
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
"La Twang" is right 😂 Like Cutting a spring! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@dustinwalden7091
@dustinwalden7091 2 месяца назад
We make some clevises out of 2” square 1018 CF. Mill a .812 slot 3 or 4” long. Have to squeeze them back parallel when we are done with them. Can go out as much as .03”.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Dustin, I have had the same fun experience with clevises and CRS, but never been able to squeeze them back and have any accuracy on the slot, do you recut the slot after? I usually try to have a lot of stock everywhere then fly everything after I spring it. if the slot is large enough I can fly cut one side of the part and both sides of the slot in one setup with the fly cutter, then flip and do the remaining outside.
@dustinwalden7091
@dustinwalden7091 2 месяца назад
@@mvpmachine just noted how far down to press with spring back. Pretty repeatable.
@davidschwartz5127
@davidschwartz5127 2 месяца назад
This is interesting to me, I have a different theory that the cutting process on the open end of the vice is letting the metal move out from the pressure, and heat combined with the induced inherent vibration of the cutter head. Vibration can stress-relieve metal at certain frequencies. Is it possible to hold the cut end in the vice and still cut the slot that would be an interesting test? I'm not a machinist but worked on rolling mills for 47 years. The Cold Rolling process induces stress lines in the opposite direction of the rolling direction or vice versa can't remember exactly and the annealing process may not remove all of them to maintain strength.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Hi David, the result if fully held in a vice would be actually worse, as soon as the pressure is released it would spring out then cause changes to the inside and outside. That tension does stay there until released. There is not much heat or vibration cutting the way I did, the heat comes off in the chips, and I use air blow to evacuate the chips. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@Precisionmetalworks
@Precisionmetalworks 2 месяца назад
You really should be running your test indicator with the tip closer to parallel with the measured surface in order to reduce cosine error. The direction of indicator travel should be inline with the error being measured. I've had the similar distortion issues when cutting Brass and nylons as well.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. I have been criticized for this in other videos and do know how to properly use a dial indicator, but when doing these videos it is difficult to get the proper camera angle to have the indicator in the proper configuration, so I use it as shown. I will spell it out in future videos though because it does look wrong. I mostly do these videos by myself so it is often difficult to work around the camera on a tripod and not have too much control of the camera while operating the machine at the same time. I am working on improvements.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 2 месяца назад
very informative, thank you for sharing this information,,,,,best wishes from Central Florida, Paul
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Thanks Paul!
@patrickfrantz2466
@patrickfrantz2466 2 месяца назад
Very informative. Thank you.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Thanks Patrick!
@ljubomirculibrk4097
@ljubomirculibrk4097 2 месяца назад
Some plastics are even more of a problem. Cut it to a half of milimeter less and you haw to leave it for a couple of days. It creeps under its redisual tension, but annoyingly slow
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
I agree I am thinking about covering that topic soon. Engineeried plastics like UHMW are hard to hold a tolerance and good luck on light finish passes. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@patrickbeaumier8616
@patrickbeaumier8616 2 месяца назад
👍👍👍👌
@frenchcreekvalley
@frenchcreekvalley 2 месяца назад
Why not simply vacuum or hydrogen furnace anneal the cold rolled material? Similar to normalizing castings, but no surface oxides. Maybe one could even order it treated that way?
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
I'm not familiar with vacuum annealing, but any annealing would change the properties and strength of the material so I'm not sure that would be an acceptable option, I guess it depends on the customer's requirements and if they really needed CRS in the first place. Many of my customers even military, supply or spec CRS oblivious to this phenomenon, and then are surprised when you bring up the issues that it causes. The only process I know that works and does not change the strength of the 1018 material is cryogenic treatment. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@ColKorn1965
@ColKorn1965 2 месяца назад
We deal with a customer who's engineering staff still doesn't understand that CAD does mean "Crayon Assisted Drafting" and sends up prints that have unnecessarily tight tolerances to be made of CRS.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
@@ColKorn1965 We get that a few times a month, part of the reason I made this video! I sent the link to the worst offender, one of my customers who does this to us all the time, I don't think they appreciated it. Thanks for watching!
@garypreman6298
@garypreman6298 2 месяца назад
Try liquid coolant.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
When milling steel coolant is bad for carbide it causes premature wear by causing microfractures in the surface of the carbide, I was using air blow to evacuate chips. The heat comes off with the chip. Thanks for watching and commenting!
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